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Speaker 4:
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Speaker 3:
[02:13] What if we left all the spotters out of every race?

Speaker 1:
[02:16] That's a terrible idea.

Speaker 5:
[02:19] What page are we on? Why are you cursing at me?

Speaker 1:
[02:22] This is why I'm just using you cursing at me.

Speaker 3:
[02:23] I think he's a whiny.

Speaker 6:
[02:25] That's what I think.

Speaker 5:
[02:27] Next thing you know, I got no fire suit on.

Speaker 2:
[02:30] Groudy Nation fans are getting lucky tonight.

Speaker 1:
[02:34] Hey, what's up, everybody? Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear. I'm Freddie Kraft, spotter for Bubba Wallace, Dean Thompson this week. Thank God I wasn't spotting for Gio Regiro. Tommy, how are you today? Tommy, how was your... Could your weekend have been any worse this weekend?

Speaker 5:
[02:50] No.

Speaker 1:
[02:51] Thank God Jack didn't race anywhere.

Speaker 5:
[02:53] Yeah, no.

Speaker 1:
[02:54] You want to just move on?

Speaker 5:
[02:56] Let's get going on this show. Yeah, let's talk about it all.

Speaker 1:
[02:59] Carson, how are you today?

Speaker 3:
[03:00] I'm great. I had a chill weekend, watched Wyatt race at Tri County.

Speaker 1:
[03:04] We have a fantastic guest in the house today. I don't really understand why the last couple of years, people have been begging me to get my car on the show. And I don't know what the big deal is, but Sam Hunt, here you are.

Speaker 5:
[03:16] The guy does pay you.

Speaker 1:
[03:18] I mean, everybody's been just collaboratively, we need your car owner on DBC. And I'm like, all right, I'll get them on here. Sam, you want to come in? Yesterday, they seemed upset. There's some other guy, I guess they meant MJ, but you know, Sam, how are you today, buddy?

Speaker 7:
[03:31] I'm good. Thanks for having me, guys. I figured it was maybe a slow week if you were bringing me out of the bullpen, a B-grade Grand National team owner here, so no, it's cool to be here.

Speaker 1:
[03:44] Yeah, we've talked about this for a couple of years about you coming on. Finally, it's actually worked out. Talk about your background in racing. I know we're going to get in a lot of your story. Your story is maybe one of the more wild ones of car owner status, at least, but family background with people, anybody else in your family involved racing growing up?

Speaker 7:
[04:04] No, not at all. My family was more of a football family. My dad was a football player through college. Really no racing in our blood anywhere. We lived in the Netherlands when I was four to nine, and living over there, every kid plays soccer and races, shifter carts. I started racing at five or six in carts overseas and caught the racing bug there. Really had no knowledge of Nascar, like back, that was probably late 90s, early 2000s. It really wasn't broadcasted a ton over there at the time. But yeah, had no racing history in my family. I mean, my family really still isn't a racing family. And when we moved back over here, stayed in carts, and then got into having my own late model stock car and K&N car and kind of tried to race a little bit myself. Very much not talented enough to make it. And situationally, I was just very real with what my odds were to make it as a race car driver. So we made a connection with JD Gibbs. Years ago, my dad had a football connection with JD through his college days at William & Mary. So when my interest in racing grew, that was kind of the only relationship you know, me or my family had with the sport. And I got to know JD a little bit and he was just an extremely special guy that I recognized even at 17 years old when you're just really not mature and you don't retain as much as maybe you do now. But he was really special in a sense of how he knew all of his people and he knew everybody on his shop floor. There was just something that struck me at an age that you really don't get struck by much on the sentimental why we're doing whatever we do with our life. But yeah, I went to college, went to VCU, studied finance, which makes me the biggest idiot you probably ever had on this show.

Speaker 1:
[06:20] That's not doing a lot of good.

Speaker 7:
[06:21] So I graduated college and had a few.

Speaker 4:
[06:24] None of that shit works.

Speaker 1:
[06:25] No, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 5:
[06:28] There is no checks and balances.

Speaker 7:
[06:30] No, I graduated and had some opportunity in the real world, which probably would have made me a little bit better living and a little more comfort. But my heart's always been in racing and competing. So I told my now wife, Noelle, we had just started dating and I was about to graduate college and we were watching TV, having a beer. And I just said, hey, what do you think about me starting my own race team? And we laughed about it. And she was the first one to say, hey, we're early 20s. There's a 1% chance any of this will work out. At least that was my opinion. But I'd be really upset if I never tried. So I had, I think, one old Canaan car, which was a nationwide car, from the storage bay of JGR. Still had the Shore Lodge logo on it from Brian Scott. And yeah, I moved.

Speaker 1:
[07:34] So it was wrecked when you got it?

Speaker 7:
[07:37] Everything I've gotten has been wrecked. But yeah, I had some relationships in Virginia. The Shane Lockhart, Peyton Sellers, had some short track people that looked after me and ended up just deciding to move here. I had a Dodge Sprinter van that I packed up and drove it down here with my car. The Robert Yates Engine Shop right here in Mooresville was gracious enough to give me the corner of their machining area to set up my car and my van. And it just started with a car and some tools. And there was no real place to stay. And I didn't really know anyone. And I wasn't, like I said, I don't come from this world. So I wasn't familiar with the people. Was able to hire one guy, Clinton Cram. I'm sure you know Clinton, Jack of all trades, former DEI guy. You know, he's one of the few employees that has yelled at me a lot as an employee. You know, like there were times, because it was just me and him wrenching on this East car. And I didn't, you know, I knew the, you know, the basics, but he had raced a lot longer than me. But yeah, it started in the corner of that Yates building. And to be where we're at now, as much as I'm always, you know, we always talk about how we take the next step and we continue to improve, I should have never gotten to this point. So it's also a big blessing and a testament to a lot of really good people in this sport. Because like I said, I'm not very smart, I'm not super talented. I've just put myself around some really good people.

Speaker 5:
[09:30] And well, that's key.

Speaker 7:
[09:31] And here I am. So yeah.

Speaker 1:
[09:34] Obviously at some point, you have to make the decision to stop driving. I mean, you go O'Reilly racing at the time was probably Xfinity, I would assume. But how?

Speaker 5:
[09:42] No, when he went, it was Bush. It's a great national series.

Speaker 7:
[09:46] I'm actually 70 years old. The team ownership is exponentially.

Speaker 5:
[09:52] Times 10.

Speaker 1:
[09:55] How hard is it to make that decision to give up driving and just go full time in ownership?

Speaker 7:
[09:59] Yeah, I think my personality made it a little bit easier. I'm very much a realist, and I don't have a ton of pride. And I was very lucky, and racing came in when I did at 2012, when Bubba was racing, and Larson was racing, and Chase You picked the wrong time to go to K&N. It was the first year to dip into that with that very humble operation. But it was also good for me, because racing around Larson or Blaney or those guys just showed me very quickly the level of talent it was going to take to just organically make it to where I wanted to be in the sport. And I was okay with that. I didn't want to push sponsors or family or anyone to support something that didn't really have a realistic end goal. So I just said, hey, let me figure out how to stay in the sport and do what I love. But in a more, I say more reasonable, it's not more reasonable. But what I thought at the time was a little more reasonable. But it's hard, because I think your identity, and I talk about a lot of these young drivers or drivers that come up through and might not have what it takes to get to Sunday. You know, your whole identity is a race car driver, you know, from carts all the way through, you know, being a teenager and into your early 20s. Like, if it comes to your identity, and you know everyone sees you as that, whether you're, you know, your top dog or you're just a local racer, it's like that's what your family supports. It's what everyone knows. So I think a lot of these guys, you know, struggle with identity a little bit when you pull the racing component out of their life. So you know, I was pretty grateful, like doing college and just going to business school and kind of leaving the racing bubble for a few years and just experiencing the world outside of the sport. I think helped me a lot, you know, coming back into this role.

Speaker 1:
[12:19] Yeah, you know, I mean, Tommy fought a lot of these same battles, but you know, we don't get a lot of car owners that sit here. And we talk about on the show a lot of times that the balance between money and talent. And obviously, you want to get both, but that's kind of hard to find. How much I mean, because we've had conversations, I mean, I know there's guys you have turned down that have money to want to come drive your race car. But they're probably somebody that you know, you're going to put in your race car, and it's probably not going to come back in one piece. How hard is that to balance where you need money to obviously stay in business and operate, but you also want to put somebody talented enough in your race cars to perform and make your stuff look good?

Speaker 7:
[12:55] Yeah, I mean, I think it's the hardest part about this sport. And I think coming from other sports too, it's like a dynamic that you don't quite see in the same way in other places. And for me, just to run an O'Reilly team at the level we're racing at, which we're an independent team, we're not affiliated with a cup shot, but I feel like we are one of the stronger, strongest independent teams. The cost to do that is just, you know, Tommy, you know, you guys know, like, it's just so high and it keeps climbing. So you know, for me, it's like, you know, how do we find a situation where, you know, there's their sponsorship that's going to allow us to keep growing, but also potential in a driver that maybe we can exploit something out of them that, you know, nobody's really seen yet. But it's really, really difficult. And, you know, it keeps me up late at night. You know, when I had one employee and payroll was one guy, it's funny that Clinton, he was working in a body shop part-time and then coming, you know, I do all the busy work and then he'd come over. So, you know-

Speaker 5:
[14:10] That's why he was yelling. What the hell, what was smooth as that?

Speaker 6:
[14:14] What the hell did you do?

Speaker 7:
[14:16] Yeah, my first pull down rig was like a shock ram that you know you bought.

Speaker 5:
[14:20] That's what you started with.

Speaker 7:
[14:21] So, you know, it's just once you have, you know, we've got probably 30, you know, people over there for, you know, two O'Reilly programs and, you know, it's real business. You know, it's not what it was when it started and for me, taking care of my people and their families is just paramount. And, you know, I think this sport, the only equity you can build is your reputation. And, you know, when you burn that, it's really hard to get it back. So, it is a really tough balance. And I think, you know, Dean was an example of a guy last year that was down on confidence and pretty unproven. And, you know, we were, you know, we had our reservations bringing him in, but as far as last year goes, I felt like we were both very, you know, pleasantly surprised in what he was able to do, you know, almost made the playoffs in his rookie year. And, you know, just kind of showed these guys, you know, some of them thrive in a smaller environment where, you know, they get a little bit more, you know, it's more of their team versus one of five guys.

Speaker 3:
[15:35] Yeah, like guidance and influence, too.

Speaker 7:
[15:36] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[15:38] How far ahead do you allow yourself to look? I mean, I know we joked around about it the other day, and you said, we're hope the shop's here in 30 years, but I mean, realistically, like, how far? I mean, are you year to year or, I mean?

Speaker 7:
[15:47] Yeah, I mean, when I started, I was like meal to meal.

Speaker 5:
[15:51] How many Mondays have you woken up and go, how am I going to get to the end of the day? I mean, people need to understand that, how hard it is. I mean, you've mentioned it's taking care of the families and your employees. I mean, yes, you was number one on my side too, but those Monday mornings when you woke up and go, how am I going to figure this out, man? How am I going to get to the next race? I mean, I don't think many people understand that, you know?

Speaker 7:
[16:17] Yeah, and it's, I'm glad you say that because it's almost a conversation that you can't really have with people that haven't lived it.

Speaker 5:
[16:25] Nobody, not even your wife sometimes because she don't want to, you know, you don't want to. Unfortunately, my wife was working the books and stuff so she could see. But, you know, you had to show up with a smile and the confidence and what you needed to be done. But inside, man, you are like, I don't know what I'm going to do.

Speaker 7:
[16:45] Yeah. Yeah, it's, you know, there's just pressure coming from all sides all the time. You know, as far as a business, it's so hard to make it make it work. Like, I tell people all the time, you know, if I took my business on Shark Tank and presented it, they'd ball it up and throw it in my face. So if I didn't have the passion I have for this and for the people and for the racing, it'd be extremely hard for me to do this. And I think sometimes you will see people come in because they think it looks fun or cool and, you know, they want to own a team and they, you know, they have, you know, a successful, you know, other business or whatever. And you get into it and realize it's not quite what you think it is with what you see on the racetrack. I mean, there's seven days in between that. Like you said, I wake up all the time just staring at the ceiling. And again, I think in like a sick way, I love that challenge and I love kind of having my back up against the wall and having to think about these things. I think now, I think further ahead than I did obviously years ago. I think for a while it was year to year and it probably still is. But I think I'm thinking further ahead than I ever have in my spot. And I just hope that's not a fool's errand because this can all be taken away from us really quick, whether you're a driver or an owner. So, yeah, I think I think into the next few years.

Speaker 1:
[18:22] Yeah, all right. And to your point, like...

Speaker 3:
[18:24] Freddie's just wondering about job security. That's why he was actually...

Speaker 1:
[18:27] I gotta start looking. You know, but like you talk about, you know, wondering and stuff. There's been times where I'll get a phone call from Sam and I'm like, what the hell's he calling me for? And it's just like, hey, but I just need to talk today. Like, I just need to, I just need to get some shit off my chest. And I'm like, hey, buddy, I'll stop by the shop. I'll be there in a minute.

Speaker 7:
[18:45] Yeah, and you need that. Like, you need those outlets. And even with my wife, she's not really involved. And it's become a good thing for us and for me that she doesn't have some expectation on me financially or with the team or, you know, she, you know, for her, it's like, hey, you're a good husband. I'll live in a trailer or I'll live in a house on the lake, but, like, you can't let this stuff ruin who you are. And so I've been really lucky to have a, you know, a partner through this whole journey that has no expectation on, you know, where it goes.

Speaker 1:
[19:30] Yeah. Before we move on to this weekend, as a whole this season, I mean, I feel like we've been OK, we've had some mistakes at the end of the races that cost us good finishes. The poor 24 car has been just snake-bitten all year. I mean, obviously not meeting expectations at this moment for both of us, honestly. But, you know, how do we move forward from here? And what's your expectations of the guys in the shop and me and the other drivers?

Speaker 5:
[19:50] We're not in the fucking conference room right now, Freddie.

Speaker 1:
[19:52] We're not meeting.

Speaker 3:
[19:54] It's a Monday morning. They're doing their post-treats.

Speaker 1:
[19:56] I mean, this is what we ask the drivers and I ask the owner. Like, how do we how do you guys approach turning it around?

Speaker 7:
[20:01] Yeah, I mean, I think that's a good question. And I think for us, it's, you know, our process has probably been better than it's ever been. I feel like our race cars are prepared further ahead than they've ever been. And I feel really good about the people we have in place. I mean, you guys know a lot of the guys that that work at our at our shop. I think it's just and Freddie, we talked about it last week. It's like, you know, executing, managing expectations and, you know, not pulling ourself out of races, trying to get more than we're capable of right now. You know, I think this the O'Reilly series, I've been in it for six years, and it's never been this strong.

Speaker 5:
[20:45] It's hard, man.

Speaker 7:
[20:46] And, you know, as an independent, I feel like I'm one of the only independent teams left, really, in the area we race. There's been a lot of guys that are now, you know, Haas cars or RCR cars that we managed to probably beat every week last year. So, you know, I think for us, it's kind of not losing sight of the process we have because we're showing up to the racetrack mechanically sound. We're getting through tech really well. I think it's just like the small mistakes this year with how the field is. You know, one small mistake, you just can't recover from like maybe you could in the past. And, you know, for us, when we give up spots, whether it's on, you know, make a mistake on the racetrack or pit road, you're not just going to go grab them back. So I think for us right now, and we had a good start with it in Kansas, with you guys running as good as you did, it's just, man, just execute every week. And if we just run right there, you know, we're going to have the days where we run in the top five or have better opportunities. It's just tough.

Speaker 1:
[22:03] Yeah, I mean, we can talk about our race this weekend was, you know, last week, Dean was kind of down on himself. And I think we all kind of just got together and we were like, you know, let's get in the room and talk about it. Because sometimes I just think Dean puts this heavy weight on himself that he needs to carry everything. And, you know, and it shouldn't do that because we're all in this together. And we just kind of, like you said, we just kind of beat in his head. Like, if we just execute, I don't, I point blank told him in the meeting, I said, Dean, I don't care where you finish. I said, as long as you execute all race, don't make any mistakes. We have a clean pit stop. We're going to run on the top 15. You know, I feel like if you can find yourself in the top 20 at the end of stage two on the lead lap, you're going to have a good day. You know, you're going to be able to find a good finish, especially as good as our cars have been. And that's what we did this week. You know, he ran top 12 all race long, essentially. You know, he hovered around the top 10 and just executed all day long. There was no mistakes. Pit stops were much better. You know, we were just kind of put it all together for one week and show you kind of what the team's capable of.

Speaker 5:
[22:58] And that's all I tried to beat in Luke's head all week, you know. I did. I mean, just execute, run the laps, learn green flag pit stops, do all the things you need to do.

Speaker 3:
[23:07] And then what happened?

Speaker 5:
[23:09] Just somebody made a left on him.

Speaker 1:
[23:10] Yeah, that was, you know, it was right behind us. And I saw the 0-7 spin. And you could clearly tell he just could, I don't know if he didn't know Luke was there or he didn't care that Luke was there, but he clearly came from the wall and hooked the left, like he was going to go to the bottom of 1 and 2. And Luke was, you know, up to his quarter pound at least. And I didn't know who it was. I just saw the 0-7 spin. And then I saw a car go up and hit the wall. And I looked up and I was like, oh, no. Like, the kid's just snake pit right now. Kind of right front tire, I assume.

Speaker 5:
[23:37] Yeah, when he hit, when he run into him.

Speaker 7:
[23:39] I felt like Harrison kind of carried the banner early this year in the sense of anything that can happen is going to happen. I don't think those guys ran a pit stop till the fourth race, third race, with just all the incidents on the racetrack. And now I feel like he's being snake bit in the same way and just can't catch a break, but he still carries himself well. He's a great kid. He's talented. Like, I've been there and I know he'll get on the other side of it.

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Speaker 3:
[27:43] All right, Kansas Geo Reggiero wins the Arca Race probably because you weren't spotting for him, right?

Speaker 1:
[27:48] If I was spotting for him, we probably wouldn't have harpooned that poor girl down the front straight away for no reason.

Speaker 3:
[27:53] That did happen.

Speaker 1:
[27:56] I don't know what he was doing there. I mean, he won the race. I don't know how that plays out. But yeah, she had a hell of a save though. Not his proudest moment. She finished top 10.

Speaker 3:
[28:07] Like when he spun her, she had a hell of a save, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:11] Yeah, I thought she did a really good job.

Speaker 5:
[28:13] I thought all three, well, four girls did a really good job. I mean, what's her name? My lady. And Jade, they drove their asses off, man. I mean, they were top six cars all day long. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:27] I mean, it's good to see. I mean, we know. I, Lainey kind of surprised me a little bit. I mean, she ran well in the car store stuff, but she did the same thing last year. I didn't see much of it last year, but she was passing GEO. Yeah. She was getting ready to go.

Speaker 3:
[28:41] Yeah, I will say, like a lot of bad shit happened. Like she just would have, Lainey would have unfortunate shit happen to her, I think really last year is all it chalked up to for Kars Tour because even when, like I remember there was one race that she wrecked super early on and then, I mean drove back through the field with her whole front of her hood gone.

Speaker 5:
[28:56] Those two are serious players moving up. They are.

Speaker 1:
[29:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[29:01] Yeah, agree.

Speaker 1:
[29:03] Cletus and Squirrel. One thing, I guess again, Cletus blew up running 10th, I think. I think Squirrel ended up.

Speaker 5:
[29:09] He was 14th.

Speaker 1:
[29:10] Yeah, I don't know where he finished.

Speaker 7:
[29:12] Can you fill me in? Squirrel?

Speaker 1:
[29:14] Squirrel McNutt.

Speaker 7:
[29:15] Squirrel McNutt. So what's the connection? Is he part of Cletus? He works with Cletus.

Speaker 1:
[29:21] Yeah, he's part of the entourage, Aaron. I mean, they raced all things together, so they have a great time. I mean, he does a pretty good job for not having any experience whatsoever.

Speaker 5:
[29:30] He's where he's supposed to be. Learning. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:34] But the one thing that drove me crazy on television was putting Cletus and Squirrel on the ticker.

Speaker 5:
[29:42] Yeah, but that's how everybody knows him, right?

Speaker 1:
[29:43] I mean, that's how it might as well go. I was like, are you kidding me? Like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3:
[29:47] There's probably people turning it on like, who's Garrett Mitchell?

Speaker 5:
[29:50] The best part of the whole thing was hosts of R and him in the interview.

Speaker 7:
[29:54] Yeah, I was talking about the two goofiest people talking and having fun.

Speaker 5:
[29:59] Right. I was like, God, all right, this is the world we're in now.

Speaker 1:
[30:04] I did want to give a shout out to Jack Wood. Poor kid was going to win his first race right up until Gio took care of that form and then he got hooked on the back straight away. It looked like, I don't know, it looked like he maybe came up on somebody. But Jack, the Jack's a really good kid and I was kind of pulling for him to get that win. But unfortunately, but that 28 car, I mean, whoever gets in it just hauls ass. Huffman and Stevo got that thing dialed in.

Speaker 3:
[30:27] Yeah. Stevo. I miss him on the car store.

Speaker 5:
[30:31] Shout out to Gavin Bushell, right? He ran top five all day, right? He ran good.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] He ran, did he run the High Limit Race too?

Speaker 5:
[30:38] Yeah. I don't know where he finished though. I've seen some pictures of it. He was having spelling issues in the group checks. Yeah. He didn't know how to spell Wednesday and there's a lot of things going on.

Speaker 1:
[30:50] Oh man. O'Reilly, Taylor Gray sneaks went out the end there, kind of short pit, got the lead, held on. Hirschman was kind of going crazy in lap traffic, yelling at people, which was fun to watch.

Speaker 4:
[31:04] Get out of the way.

Speaker 3:
[31:05] I need you to start recording just for me because you guys get to see it in the flash, but I want to witness it too. Carson Kvapil, upside the hell down.

Speaker 5:
[31:17] I'm not. Look, a lot of stuff happened in turn one. I know we've been harping on throwing cautions and stuff, but Luke was in the wall, right? And he always said it was a self-spin. Yeah, but there was guys up in the wall. If they did throw that caution, none of that would have happened.

Speaker 1:
[31:36] Yeah, right.

Speaker 5:
[31:38] Look, the first problem was the problem, right, on turn one. And then I'm seeing the car flip. I'm like, I thought the caution would have been out, but I don't know, man.

Speaker 1:
[31:48] I don't think I was I almost I mean, I was late. I was late calling the flip because I'm looking at the Nascar radios have not been great for us to monitor Nascar this year. So sometimes they drop out. Sometimes they don't. Well, I see those seven. Like I said, it's right behind us. So I see the seven spin. I see Luke go up and hit the wall. And I'm telling Dean, I'm like, they're wrecking behind you. Just stay green, stay green for now. And I've got one eye on Dean, one eye kind of peeking down at the yellow lights waiting for them to change. And I'm like, nothing's happened. I look up and there is a fucking car flipping down the back straight away. I'm like, oh shit, check out, you know, but yeah, pretty like to your point, it was, it should have been thrown, right?

Speaker 5:
[32:25] It should have been a caution.

Speaker 1:
[32:26] I mean, it wasn't a result of not throwing the yellow. It just coincidentally happened at the same time, but it wasn't a result of not throwing the yellow. But I'm just saying it wasn't because like somebody slowed down, other guys did.

Speaker 5:
[32:36] It was just, it was, if they weren't still green.

Speaker 1:
[32:38] If they threw the yellow, like it would have prevented that. But it wasn't a result, but it was, it should have been a yellow.

Speaker 5:
[32:43] And I think, and I think at the end of the day, all you guys is talking about it, right? So I think it kind of like, when you guys are talking about it to the drivers and the crew chiefs, it kind of gives you a little, like, all of a sudden you go from like, okay, there might be a caution. You never know what goes on right there. So I think, I think that was not a good call.

Speaker 1:
[33:04] Yeah, I mean, and listen, we can kill one of the Spot On Spot Offs right here. But you know, I saw people bitching yesterday that they threw the yellow at the end of the race when Cody spun. You know, that should have been a yellow, I thought. He spun in front of the leaders as they're bearing down on him. You know, Sam, as a race car driver or an owner with your race car out there, you know, do you not want them to do, I mean, I know at Daytona, it felt like a single car spin was never getting the yellow flag for whatever reason. Atlanta was kind of similar.

Speaker 5:
[33:32] And that's fine, but not when this car is up in the wall.

Speaker 1:
[33:35] Yeah, but you know, but like in that instance, I mean, I think you agree that should have been a probably, was deservedly yellow.

Speaker 7:
[33:42] Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, as a racer, you know, you just you want consistency and, you know, I think safety too. You know, whether it's a massive problem or not, like I know we were watching the 07 spin from the pit box to the point where we had no idea the one was rolling down the back.

Speaker 1:
[34:03] They thought I was an idiot. I'm like, there's a guy flipping.

Speaker 7:
[34:06] He started yelling flipping and we were watching the 07. I was like, no, he's not. He's sliding down the racetrack.

Speaker 1:
[34:11] Are you an idiot, this guy is?

Speaker 7:
[34:13] That will be a separate conversation. But then it just cut to the one mid-roll and was like, oh my gosh, which we were followed the entire time, naturally.

Speaker 1:
[34:28] Chased it down the racetrack.

Speaker 7:
[34:29] Yeah, I mean, I think you just want consistency there, or at least that's what I would want. I thought the spin at the end of the cup race was warranted.

Speaker 5:
[34:38] Well, it was warranted, but it wasn't warranted.

Speaker 1:
[34:42] Yeah, yeah, there was one thing I didn't notice in that race, Tommy, and I think it got foreshadowed the day before with one of the guys. Corey Day gets in the back of Sammy Smith.

Speaker 5:
[34:52] No helicopter today.

Speaker 1:
[34:54] Just Sam's was out there. I don't know if you saw it.

Speaker 3:
[34:57] It's homemade.

Speaker 4:
[34:58] It's got wooden propellers.

Speaker 1:
[35:03] But, you know, Corey gets in the back of the 8, turns them, almost hits us again. That was another one we just barely missed.

Speaker 7:
[35:11] But, you know, you're building up your stock here.

Speaker 1:
[35:13] Yeah, I'm doing. Did you see that one too? You already saw me call out the wrong car flipping over. So, but, you know, I think Sammy maybe saw this coming a little bit.

Speaker 5:
[35:28] Yeah, he mentioned, I've overheard him mention that it's kind of getting a little rough out there again, you know. And, I mean, it wasn't with, I mean, Day wasn't sitting there. We were all at lunch and he was just saying, man, he's just, it's happening a little bit again. I can see it, you know, and then, of course, he's the one that had to deal with it.

Speaker 1:
[35:47] Yeah, I don't know. Like, again, I can't imagine Corey has done any of these things, like maliciously.

Speaker 5:
[35:55] Yeah, I just think it's just just racing hard, but he's got to slow it just again, man. Slow down a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[36:00] Yeah, it just I mean, and he unfortunately just gets in the back of the eight, turns them. I don't remember if he got more damage along the way or not.

Speaker 5:
[36:07] But, you know, just you just can't have 75 percent with that car and finish in the top eight. Seventy five percent.

Speaker 3:
[36:14] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[36:15] Right. He can run 75 percent, 75 percent of the race and go 100 and probably win.

Speaker 1:
[36:19] What he what he really needs to do is just stop spinning out the guys, his teammates, stop blowing the fenders off it.

Speaker 3:
[36:28] We would greatly appreciate that.

Speaker 5:
[36:29] Hurt the toe.

Speaker 7:
[36:33] I feel like what what frustrated, I mean, probably everyone, but, you know, with with Corey, like in Atlanta, when we all wrecked on lap, you know, two or three, you know, I think is like a racer that never had that opportunity. Or, you know, I'd say 99 percent of people won't have an opportunity to be in a race car like that. It's just, you know, when you make those moves, like understanding, you know, when you do wipe a bunch of guys out, you know, just kind of understanding how much has gone into, you know, even them being in the position they're in, you know, and I don't know, I've never felt like he's been malicious with, you know, these incidents. It's just, you know, you don't want them too much at your own expense.

Speaker 5:
[37:20] Yeah, I mean, I felt the same way Saturday. You know, Blickey doesn't, Blickey never does anything wrong. I mean, that guy's a good race car driver. You put him into some decent stuff. He'll run good, right? I mean, he's proven it sometimes with us in the Cup Series in the past. It's just same deal, man. You put a lot into that, man. You just want everything to go good, right? It's just important, right? And just lap two, something like that happened. It's like, man, I want to know who's fault it is, right? What did the spotter say? You know, did he say everything right to him? Did he know? I mean, what's going on? It's just aggravating. And to happen early and to do things, and just, I know, man, I know you're feeling.

Speaker 1:
[37:59] The spotters never do anything wrong up there.

Speaker 7:
[38:02] Yes, you do.

Speaker 5:
[38:02] I watch you. I'm up there.

Speaker 7:
[38:05] They don't if you ask them what you're talking about.

Speaker 6:
[38:07] Oh, gosh.

Speaker 3:
[38:10] All right, Cup Race. Tyler Reddick. What do they have up their sleeve, Freddie? When are you going to start? I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[38:16] I ain't got it.

Speaker 3:
[38:16] When are you going to start? When are you going to start bringing that shit over to the 23?

Speaker 1:
[38:21] I don't know. Well, hopefully we find it soon.

Speaker 5:
[38:25] Yeah, it turns out you were in good.

Speaker 1:
[38:28] Yeah, I mean, we we didn't have anything for him. We were a fourth to fifth place car. I felt like we Bubba was really confident in the middle of the race. We were running sixth or seventh, and he was like, if I get track position, this car can win the race. We got up there and we drove to fourth on a restart, and it was the 20, the 11, and the 45. I think we realized pretty quickly that we were a fourth place car at that point. Obviously, that's not bad. It's a good day to have, and we ran consistently up there all day long. Clean race, but Tyler is just, I mean, Sam, he's driven your cars before. I mean, how impressive is this guy?

Speaker 7:
[39:04] Yeah, man, he's funny. He's just a machine, and it's funny because his personality is unique, and he's such a good kid in his own way. But I feel like whether it's racing or any sport, confidence is just paramount and just so valuable.

Speaker 5:
[39:24] You see him walking now? That son of a bitch thinks he's like 6'4.

Speaker 7:
[39:27] Yeah. I know.

Speaker 5:
[39:29] I mean, he just, look at his son of a bitch.

Speaker 7:
[39:32] It's great. I just think that's the most valuable weapon you can have, and someone like him, knowing he can and should win every single week, it's like you just watch guys like that, or Corey in the truck series, they're just a magnet to the front, and it doesn't matter the situation, they just get there. Obviously, they're doing a great job, and that car is really, really strong. And I know you guys have a good team, too. I mean, Charles, just some really great people, but man, Tyler's confidence has just got to be a huge component to what he's doing.

Speaker 5:
[40:10] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[40:10] Helps the boss man's there damn near every week these days. I think he's going to take a little summer break coming up, but it means a lot to those guys when they get out of the car and see Michael Jordan standing there to greet you.

Speaker 7:
[40:22] You're reminded how tall Tyler is.

Speaker 5:
[40:26] They should have stayed on the door top.

Speaker 1:
[40:30] Blaney, poor Blaney. Pit crew finally busts off an 8 second pit stop, but he just needed a little slower one to get out of the box clean. You know, I think if I seen Bozy Tweedy, he had like an 8-6 pit stop and he left the box and drives into the 16 and pretty much ruins his day. We never saw him again. I assume they must have damaged the splitter.

Speaker 5:
[40:46] That's 16's fault. It's the 16's fault. You, as a crew chief, need to pay attention to that, understanding that you're in the back, the guy's getting ready to leave. If he's, the jack drops, you're going to have to be prepared to stop. It's, that's, I mean, that's just...

Speaker 1:
[41:02] It's a, where they screw up, because it was a green flag cycle. So it, you know, they probably just need to run another lap. You know what I mean, right? Because he was probably, I would assume he's two stalls ahead, maybe two or three stalls ahead of him. So you don't really think about it, I guess, but you need to... You stay out, you gotta stay out and run a little lap there, right?

Speaker 5:
[41:21] When you're getting ready to pit, you're looking at the teams who have the tires and the guns and on the wall, two stalls front and back at least. And you gotta know and you gotta notify them guys that, man, I'm coming in now, right? And then it's on you. It's like, man, okay, he told me, I have to, now it's my responsibility not to wreck that guy's problem. Now, if we're fighting for first and second, that's a little bit different story, right? If I'm running 30th and I'm running 8th at the time, right? It's got to give these guys a little respect.

Speaker 1:
[41:53] Yeah, and it's one lap makes a big difference too. Like I say, just you should run in the lap.

Speaker 5:
[41:59] It was two seconds.

Speaker 1:
[42:00] But yeah, I mean, we had that at, I think it was Coda. You know, we were pitted next to the 47. And I look up at Eric Holmes and spots for the 47. I'm like, we're pitting this time. And he's like, so are we. And I'm like, oh, shit. And we were running, I don't know, top 10 and I don't know where they were at. Probably not that good.

Speaker 5:
[42:18] And I said, Magic Mike's been on till the last couple of weeks, man. Don't get on the 47.

Speaker 1:
[42:23] No, no, no, I'm just saying at Road Course, Ricky, Ricky, Road Course, probably not. But, you know, but Mike, when he relayed a message to Mike that we were coming, the 47 stayed out and ran another lap, you know, and that's just the way, you know.

Speaker 5:
[42:35] What's supposed to happen?

Speaker 1:
[42:37] I just felt like poor Blaney's snake bit, you know. We kind of been fighting similar issues, I feel like. And, you know, you finally get a good pit stop, 8.6. Yeah, hell yeah, with a new jack, man. And you go to leave the box and fuck, here comes somebody. And now that ruins your day. Like, just talk about, you know, shit can go wrong. But I mean.

Speaker 7:
[42:53] Yeah, I mean, we had a horrible, I think it was two or three years ago, we were at Homestead running, you know, eighth or ninth, having a good day. And the green flag cycle started, you know, and there was a car, you know, there was a stall behind us that was struggling all day. And had, you know, we pitted off sequence or a lap or two after, and they like couldn't get the tire on. They couldn't, you know, they couldn't figure it out. And we, you know, we look over to them and just kind of say, hey, we're, we're coming, just stay put. And they give us the thumbs up and like clockwork. As soon as we turn in our stall, they gas up and boom, day over. And you just, I don't know, you want to, you almost want to fight at that point. But yeah, those situations are pretty deflating.

Speaker 1:
[43:42] I had to give a shout out to both of my other teammates. Obviously Tyler won, but Riley, I thought had a really good race, ran, drove into the top 10 at one point, kind of ran inside the top 15. I think all race, Corey was really good. I think the two of them had been running into each other a little bit out there, but.

Speaker 5:
[43:58] They had a bad pit stop and went from 12th to the end of the last of the lead lap cars. He couldn't rebound from there. He just could get to a certain point. Tires wear out and then he was done and would fall back, you know, trying. But yeah, they were, again, it's hard doing a part time deal, right, with guys that aren't doing it every week. You know, they're building the whole program, right? You know what they got going on. It's just like, those are the kind of things that are going to bite them this year. You know, those small little things. But, you know, obviously.

Speaker 7:
[44:29] Yeah, I mean, I even thought Corey, you know, he qualified 24th.

Speaker 5:
[44:33] He went out first.

Speaker 7:
[44:34] He went out first. And that's like, you know, something I don't think the average person understands is the deficit you're under when you do go out first or you're in those first few cars. I mean, there's almost a, you know, there's a line you're probably not going to cross no matter how good your lap is. So, you know, I thought he did a good job there too.

Speaker 1:
[44:54] That was something we brought up last week with Dean, you know, talking about, you know, we were, there's a couple of these races where we're running in the top 15 or just outside the top 15 and something happens and we end up finishing 25th and now that sets you so much further back in the metric and now it just kind of snowballs to where now you qualify like shit, now you're digging your way out of that all again.

Speaker 5:
[45:12] I just don't think it. I hate that it's like that. I hate that the previous week determines everything what goes on the next week. It's just, I don't think it's fair, right? I mean, I think it's a new week, right? You go out there and you practice, you know, and you go on practice speeds and that's how you should. But then there's so many things that can go on during that practice. And you know the things that we could do and the more money that you spend. It's like, you know, to get that one lap to be able to go out last. I mean, it's just we're in such a box and Nascar has to do such a good job of keeping us, you know, reined in, of not doing that stuff. You know, it's like, you're mad there and then you think about that on the business side. How much would it cost you to do that and all the things you would have to do to unload, right in qualifying mode and spend that money and then get it sneakily out of it during practice? I mean, it's just like, fuck, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 7:
[46:07] It's never ending. And, you know, but you're right, it does compound. You know, when you do have a bad finish, you know, it just, it carries over and it can keep compounding. If you can't get yourself out of it, especially, you know, you go to Martinsville or Vegas or somewhere where we start qualifying it at six o'clock or 630. And, you know, the first half goes, you know, with sunlight and the, you know, the back 20 go with moonlight. Like, you're just, you're not going to, you're not going to, you're not going to be your way through there.

Speaker 1:
[46:38] Do you want to tell me now why you fucked my boss over yesterday?

Speaker 5:
[46:41] I mean, yeah, I mean, I could be. I mean, I know Cody's getting a lot of flak, but it's my fault, right? At the end of the day, it's my fault. I mean, that's what I get paid to do, not for him to make any mistakes. And we would just beat down, man. We run like shit all weekend. We unloaded like shit. We raced like shit. We did the drive around in the third stage, try to hopefully get a caution, get a lap back, try to get with the three or four guys that we can maybe race again. We were just deflated, man. We were all done. And I'm taking the blame because I should have just said, you know what? I'll gamble lost. Let's just come in and put tires on and not make any mistakes and not cause any problems because, man, it's an unwritten rule. You know, I feel in the garage area, you do not want to change, be part of changing any outcome of the race, no matter what it is. I don't care if it's a manufacturer or whatever. You do not want to do that. I mean, again, it's all about respect and, you know, just, and I hate it because I'm sitting on the plane going, man, I could have did one thing. I could have just come over to radio and, you know, told Jerry, I said, let's just pit. Let's just take our medicine with four tires on it. It's two seconds off the pace already. Let's just do it. And we were just beat up, man. I was just sitting there. I was done. And shame on me for losing focus on the whole thing. And yeah, I'm taking the blame, to be honest with you.

Speaker 1:
[48:09] Yeah, I mean, you talk about how far off the pace he is. He is just hanging on. Yeah. I saw him. I didn't know if a tire went down because I saw him getting a fence in the front stretch.

Speaker 5:
[48:16] No, that was because the seven blew a tire. The seven blew a tire, a right front tire. That's what happened. And that could have caused some of it. You know, I don't know. But I've seen the time, man. I know better. Right. I mean, shit, I don't even think we're going to minimum speed anymore. I should have just said, bring him in. Let's just put tires on it. And that's what I got paid to do to keep him safe. Right. I mean, we you know better that you're a spotter, right? We stay out of everybody's way when we get like, we're probably one of the best cars of staying out of everybody's way, not causing a fight for anybody, doing the best we can. You know, I know we're in that position a lot, unfortunately, but we've had a bad couple weeks, man. We have unloaded like shit the last two weeks. And I don't, we don't even know why. I mean, we're following everybody that we can follow. I mean, I know that-

Speaker 1:
[49:02] The other cars aren't running good either.

Speaker 5:
[49:04] Well, I mean, you know, I congratulated Austin Dillon last night because that kid is fighting for, for what I know what's going on. That kid is fighting his ass off to finish where he's finishing every week. And I told him, I said, man, you're carrying, you're carrying this, man. You got to keep that attitude because Austin's attitude is going to help. Kyle's attitude is not, right? Austin's attitude is going to help change the direction of what they got going on. And it's, it's tough right now, man. It's, you know, we got to get better. And, you know, it's my fault. End of the day. Spot on. Spot on. Did you want to go first?

Speaker 3:
[49:45] I think he's a whiny bitch.

Speaker 5:
[49:46] That's what I think. Send it. Why me?

Speaker 3:
[49:53] Denny Hamlin should have stayed in his lane about Kyle Busch, who responded to Denny Hamlin's comment to, quote unquote, carry it better by saying, I will switch cars with him any day of the week. Spot on, spot off. Tommy, what you think?

Speaker 5:
[50:08] What was wrong with Denny saying what he said?

Speaker 3:
[50:10] Yeah, that's kind of what Denny tweeted yesterday and said, I have a podcast where I have to talk about trending issues in the-

Speaker 5:
[50:19] He's asked a question. Look, Denny's been lucky enough in his career not to have to struggle much. He's been in a good position his whole racing career. He started right into running his ass off right in the beginning. Right at the first race, I remember him showing up with the 20-car, I think it was the Rockwell car, Darlington, right in the Gibbs car and was fast. So he's been in a good position, but that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to put yourself in a good position. And look, Kyle has taken himself out of those positions and put him in this position. I'm sorry, man. I've watched it. Right? I mean, he's had the Hendrick rides. He's had the Gibbs ride. He's he's in RCRI that's in a building process of of trying to accomplish something. And it's just not there yet. But again, he can't get on Denny because he's saying he can't get on anybody. He's the one. He's the one that needs to do the work. Right. With his team. And I just again, I said it last week. I'm saying this week he has to be the leader. He has to be.

Speaker 1:
[51:26] Yeah. And you know, you're correct in saying like, I listened. I went back and listened to it last night when I got home. You know, I didn't hear. I went to the whole thing because I watched obviously the clips that we posted last week, but I went and watched the whole segment. And anything that Denny said wasn't wrong. You know what I mean? He talked about the last couple of years. He didn't run as well at Gibbs. And obviously, the first year he ran really well in RCR. But that was also the first year of the next gen when people were kind of just starting to figure this shit out. Now we see the kind of the cream rise to the top. And I get where Kyle, you know, Kyle's Kyle. He's fiery and, you know, it could come off as kind of kicking a guy while he's down right now, which, you know, Kyle's going to lash out at that. But, you know, you got to be, we talked about this with Dean last week, and it applies to every driver across the board. You got to be open to criticism though. I mean, the only way I ever learned to get better is somebody telling me I'm doing something wrong.

Speaker 7:
[52:13] Yeah, I mean, I think for me, you know, and again, I haven't seen all of, you know, all of this, but it is, you know, you got to embrace your situation at some point. And like you said, they're in a building phase and you just kind of got to understand that and be the solution and be, you know, be the person that, you know, while understanding gets them to where they want to be. And believe me, I live that as much as anyone, you know, there's things I feel like I could do at a very high level if I had a, you know, a resource set or things were a little bit differently, but that's not my reality. So, you know, I work as hard as I can with the cards I've got. And man, I really, I don't really listen to a lot of noise around me. And, you know, I've got, you know, no room to speak on Denny or Kyle. They've both accomplished more than I probably ever will, but I just know, you know, I live that in my spot. And, you know, you just, you gotta be a part of the solution.

Speaker 1:
[53:18] I don't know if you caught it yesterday. He said he was going to make Denny's life a little bit.

Speaker 5:
[53:23] He did a little bit. Yeah, he did. I watched, he probably cost him about, almost two seconds.

Speaker 1:
[53:28] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[53:28] I paid attention.

Speaker 1:
[53:29] One redic was running him down.

Speaker 5:
[53:30] He cost him about two seconds.

Speaker 1:
[53:31] He was on fresher tires. You know, he put...

Speaker 5:
[53:34] He was on fresher tires, but he still...

Speaker 1:
[53:36] You know what I'm saying? But he just, he was just, he knows how to make your life just difficult enough where it doesn't even probably come across to some people, but he literally cost a Lambert. So I was watching the fucking Lap Time and it was just half a second, half a second, half a second. Here comes a damn 45. And it's like, oh man. And who knows when that's going to stop? You know, because unfortunately, that's probably going to be in that position multiple times where Denny's leading and Kyle's in front of him.

Speaker 7:
[54:02] Freddie, I've got a question, or even Tommy, as a non-next-gen guy. The 45 car with one to go, just the afterburners, where do you pull that out of those race cars?

Speaker 1:
[54:16] It's the lawsuit horsepower. He flips that switch and hauls ass out.

Speaker 5:
[54:20] I mean, it's just, again, the stars line up that the five was tight, right? And the 45 wasn't, man. And it's just when you're on two tires, and I don't know, man, it's their year right now.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] Yeah, Tyler.

Speaker 5:
[54:34] And when it's their year, when it's your year, I mean, I've been part of, you know, I've been on the good side of that some part of my life. When your shit's right, you can't make mistakes, man. You know, you can't.

Speaker 1:
[54:46] Tyler, and Tyler has the ability to make it look worse than it is where, you know, like yesterday, he just shipped it off into three, it stuck and drove away. You know, I remember he did that to Blaney at Homestead two years ago. He tried to do it to Busher at, I think, Darlington and wrecked them. So like, you know, Tyler is gonna commit, full commit and not... He's sending it. He's gonna make... He did it in one and two, honestly, to make up the ground and then did it again in three and four.

Speaker 5:
[55:13] And again, I think it's his past experience with the dirt car of knowing what, you know, how to counter steer and how to do those things just slightly, right? So he doesn't cause a problem. I mean, it's just, it all goes back to his childhood, man. Imagine what goes through your head of doing that, you know, of knowing what to do. I mean, it's awesome to watch.

Speaker 7:
[55:32] Tyler is interesting because, you know, when he drove for me those few races a couple of years ago, you know, he was one of the few first, you know, cup level guys I was able to work with. And, you know, you always hear about what makes someone special. And you, you know, you grew up thinking you're special. But for him, it was like first lap, top of six plus 11 in my car, you know? And it's just like, what's going on here? Like, it's just like, you know, with Corey or Christopher, you know, when he ran Mexico last year, it's just, you know, I always say that I think, you know, on the development side, whether it's Arca, Truck, O'Reilly, Drivers, I think a lot of them, they think they want a cup race, you know? It's like, they think they want what that is, but they don't really understand what it is.

Speaker 3:
[56:26] I'll just ask Connor Zillich right now.

Speaker 5:
[56:29] Yeah, and ask Cletus. I mean, right now, he's the best person to ask of knowing the difference just between...

Speaker 1:
[56:37] One step.

Speaker 5:
[56:38] Yeah, just one step. I mean, he's been saying it. It's like, holy cow.

Speaker 1:
[56:41] We talk about it with the drivers that come on here a lot about, especially the younger guys, about racing against the Cup guys in the Xfinities or the O'Reilly series and the Truck series. How important is it on the owner side to get a guy like Corey or a guy like Tyler in your car to evaluate, you know, there's nothing wrong with Dean Harrison's obviously been racing for a while now, but you know, you put somebody like Rettick in there, you know, you're getting every ounce out of that car and you know kind of where your stuff stands.

Speaker 7:
[57:05] Yeah, I mean, I think it's...

Speaker 5:
[57:07] It's a slippery slope, man.

Speaker 7:
[57:08] Yeah, it is.

Speaker 5:
[57:09] Yeah, in business. For a business model, it's a slippery slope.

Speaker 7:
[57:11] For sure. I mean, I think there's good that, you know, comes with that. And, you know, when Corey ran with me, we did 12 or 14 races and he wasn't Cup racing, so, you know, he was just a very special guy that was on his way. So, yeah, I mean, I think it can really kind of show potential. You know, I do think my guys now are getting the potential out of the race cars that we're bringing right now. But, you know, like you watch Larson at Bristol, you know, it's, you know, we, our strategy meetings before the race are all, what lap is the 88 gonna be? Yeah, catching us, yeah. And we're expecting to run like 8th to 12th. And our, like our conversation is, when is the 88 gonna be there? So, you know, I do think it's good in a sense for these guys to race around some of those, you know, guys and really kind of get a sense of, you know, what that level is. But I also think the grind of the back part of the Cup garage, I don't think there's an understanding of what that really is. And like, you know, there's days in Cup where Lugano's back there in that battle or these championship level guys, you know, have a bad day and are grinding it out. And Tommy, you know better than anyone. But I just, I think sometimes there's just not quite an understanding of like what Sunday is. And I think everyone thinks they want it because it's what we've all thought we wanted our entire life. But having a little bit of experience now on what that really is, you know, I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[58:59] It's the hardest it's ever been, man. It's all I can tell you, all I can tell everybody, it is the hardest it's ever been.

Speaker 1:
[59:07] And that's honestly, I mean, Sunday is one thing. That's a giant step Saturday, Sunday. But even everything is as hard as it's been.

Speaker 5:
[59:14] The truck series, it's got 20, 22 good trucks now. The Xfinity series got 25 good cars. I mean, it's just like, I mean, you got, you have your groups, right? Let's, let's be honest, right? You got your 12 and your 12, in my opinion. And you got the same thing in the trucks. You got 12 and 12, but it's just, you're fighting that 12. You have a, you know, the top 12, you have a bad day, you're going to finish 12th, right? The next group, you're either going to finish 13th or 25th. Right? So it's like, you look at it, it's like, holy shit, I mean, the Bristol Truck Race, it's nine cup drivers.

Speaker 7:
[59:47] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:48] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[59:48] Like, all right, where are you going to finish? I mean.

Speaker 7:
[59:51] Yeah. And I even feel like when I, when we started, you know, and I, not that I really have an idea what I'm doing now, but six years ago, you know, you built a decent car, you know, you had all the tires, you leased a motor, and you're probably going to run 15th, you know? Like, it was just-

Speaker 5:
[60:09] We did the same thing.

Speaker 7:
[60:10] We almost fooled you into thinking like, oh man, this isn't as bad as I thought it would be. And now, man, it takes everything we've got to, you know, be at the front of our group.

Speaker 3:
[60:23] Okay, next one also about Freddie's wonderful boss.

Speaker 5:
[60:27] You can read that.

Speaker 3:
[60:28] Denny made the wrong lane choice on the green-white checkered Spot On, Spot Off. He also said that there was nothing he could do to defend it, and that he knew he had to take the top because he knew what the five was.

Speaker 7:
[60:39] Well, why did he?

Speaker 3:
[60:40] Allegedly going to do.

Speaker 5:
[60:41] Is that why he's mad at Cody? He was mad at Cody because of that?

Speaker 1:
[60:46] Yeah, maybe. He's mad at Cody because he was coming to take the wife.

Speaker 5:
[60:49] Oh, that's right.

Speaker 1:
[60:53] But, you know, yes, Spot On, he should have took the other lane, but it's just hindsight. And it's, you know, you follow trends, you follow like the part of the research that I do is, but, you know, even all the teams do is just kind of trends and what guys' tendencies are. And Kyle Larson won that race with Buscher by running third at the end of Green White Checker. And Denny was leading, Kyle was third, and Kyle took the bottom behind Denny, which the guy in third all day long picked the top behind the outside car because the top was preferred after the front row. But Kyle knew, I'm going to get a good run here. I'm going to split him at the start finish line. And then same way he won that race, he damn near caught this one too. Obviously, he got tight and Tyler got him. But I don't know how you, I guess, you just, you don't know where the five is going to go. You are going to guess.

Speaker 5:
[61:44] He's going to go wherever you're not. No matter what, he would have went somewhere.

Speaker 1:
[61:47] Yeah, but I'm just saying, all day long, the third place cars took the top. And you would almost think, in my mind, you know Kyle won that race. But I would always kind of think that Kyle's going to take the top and try to get to the outside of the 20. I think it was in that situation, or no, it was the 45. And maybe make that happen. But going off past history, he did this same thing two years ago. So you have to have that in the back of your mind.

Speaker 5:
[62:10] The cleanest air is in the bottom when all that stuff's getting ready to come to a head.

Speaker 1:
[62:15] But yeah, it was just, you know, I think if he had it to do back over again, he would go the other way. But, and listen, you know, Kyle knows the game too. Kyle didn't really push Denny. They, you know, he creates a little gap as soon as they get rolling. He gets a big shove from behind and that kind of propels him to the inside of Denny. And then from that point on, Denny's kind of a sitting duck. But yeah, I think, I mean, I don't know, how hard is that to make that decision in the moment? Like you've been on the bottom all day long. You've picked the bottom all day long. But the whole, most of the day, the guy's not in a hurry to get you. He's going to push you down in one race.

Speaker 5:
[62:48] Bottom line, if Denny covers it, he goes splits both of them and takes his right rear, fills his right rear up with air and it kills him anyway. So, I mean, I don't know, man. Those are the best race car drivers fighting for a win at the end of the race, right, in our sport. What? Come on, man.

Speaker 1:
[63:09] I think Denny, in this moment, like you hear the frustration in Sam, it's like, you know, it's about preparation. And Denny is maybe one of the most prepared guys on the racetrack. And I think in that moment, he realized, I should have known exactly what the fuck was going to happen there. And taking the top, we sort of put the 20 on his bumper and the 20 would have gave him a better shove.

Speaker 5:
[63:25] Yeah, but would have the five taken the bottom if the 11 took the top. I mean, you don't know. I mean, you don't know, man.

Speaker 7:
[63:34] I think hindsight's just always going to be 20-20.

Speaker 5:
[63:37] I know I fucked up. That's all I know. Me too. Yeah, good.

Speaker 3:
[63:41] Austin Hill has every right to feel, quote unquote, dumbfounded by how Jesse Love raised him.

Speaker 5:
[63:48] Okay, ask somebody else.

Speaker 3:
[63:50] Well, I was going to ask Sam, but it sounds like you have something to say.

Speaker 5:
[63:56] No, I mean, Austin races like that when he's getting past as well, right? I mean, I think he's done that to Jesse time for time and some other people fighting for a position. I don't know, man. You race how you get raced, right?

Speaker 1:
[64:13] You hope that's how it is.

Speaker 5:
[64:14] And that's how Austin races, right? He fights hard for every position. And he does the same thing that Jesse did to him. And I got him. As a teammate, yeah, I'm sure Jesse's feeling bad. But Jesse's first reaction is like, you've done that to me before.

Speaker 1:
[64:31] Yeah. You know, you watch it and you're like, ooh, you know, I thought it looked to me like Jesse took all of his downforce to any way. I just got on his door.

Speaker 5:
[64:44] Cletus must be representing them. Cletus is representing Stockman now.

Speaker 1:
[64:50] All downforce, Denny Boy.

Speaker 5:
[64:51] Next thing you know, he's going to be crown Vic Grayson.

Speaker 1:
[64:54] But he just got down on his door and got him free and spun him around. But Sam, how do you approach something like this? Obviously, we got two cars now. I don't think we've had any major issues like this yet.

Speaker 3:
[65:04] Have you had any SHR and SHR crime?

Speaker 7:
[65:08] Not really. I've been fortunate a couple of years ago. I think Corey and Kaz spun through the tri-oval or something just racing too hard. But no, we talked about it with Harrison and Dean, just the expectation, at least for our team, race each other as hard as you want. But to me and in my situation, we can't be wrecking each other or obviously don't roll over and we're not ever allowing anybody to pass. But I think past the spin, it just creates a lot of internal intensity.

Speaker 1:
[65:55] It carries on. It does.

Speaker 7:
[65:58] And with that incident, I don't know what happened before. We just saw the 21 spin. I don't know what had been happened before. I know the 21 race is really hard. For me, I joke that our cars are like magnets. This year, whether they're good magnets or we're struggling, they just seem to be right on top of each other. And I know my expectation for our two guys is we're not going to do that, and we can't afford to have that stuff happen.

Speaker 5:
[66:33] No one knows that group of guys in that shop. They won't affect them in that shop. That's a well-oiled part of RCR in that part of the facility. I can tell you that. So that's a very...

Speaker 1:
[66:48] It's a grizzled bunch over there.

Speaker 5:
[66:50] Yeah, they've seen it all, done it all. They're working right now. They're getting ready for... Where are we going?

Speaker 1:
[66:55] Talladega.

Speaker 5:
[66:56] They're pretty good there. They're pretty good there.

Speaker 3:
[66:59] All right, last one. With only one win and two drivers in the top 10 in points, the rest of the field is leaving Ford behind. Who can I ask about this one?

Speaker 1:
[67:09] Yeah, I mean, I'm spot off. I think it looks bad sometimes, especially when you come off a day where Ryan struggles, has damage. He's not competitive. You see Joey out there struggling, but I mean...

Speaker 5:
[67:21] RFK cars, they are all three top 11, right?

Speaker 1:
[67:23] Yeah, and I was going to ask you about... I think obviously Ryan is the best Ford, but across the board, RFK has got more consistency than ever in that camp, right?

Speaker 5:
[67:35] Yeah, they're doing a good job.

Speaker 1:
[67:37] But you look at it and you talk about the top 10 in points, but once you kind of break it down to the playoff guys, we're all pretty even. Toyota's got six in there. Ford's got five. Chevy's got five. You look at Brad could have easily won Darlington. Ryan, the short tracks, they were really strong. I don't think there's any kind of panic button here. I mean, they need some speed. They need to find speed of mile and a half.

Speaker 5:
[67:57] Toyota is strong right now. End of the story.

Speaker 1:
[67:59] Yeah, and it's not, but I don't look at Ford as being any-

Speaker 5:
[68:03] They're the same as Chevy.

Speaker 1:
[68:04] Yeah, they're not steps behind Chevy.

Speaker 5:
[68:05] Just Toyota's one step ahead of everybody right now.

Speaker 1:
[68:08] Six steps ahead of them. Let's go.

Speaker 7:
[68:10] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[68:11] But we've had days like this this year already. You feel like you're just a couple steps behind, but it's not as bad as it seems a lot.

Speaker 7:
[68:21] Yeah, we don't race around a lot of Fords on Saturdays.

Speaker 5:
[68:25] We don't, you're not racing. Pretty soon you're not racing any of them.

Speaker 7:
[68:28] So I can't speak for Saturdays. But yeah, I feel like there's so many years where the Fords, at least as I see it, you don't count them out, but you kind of start to forget about them a little bit and Lugano and Blaney and some of the guys that are struggling maybe on the front half of the season. And I swear every September, October, here they come. They're just there. So I don't think you ever count those guys out.

Speaker 1:
[68:56] I feel like I have answered this question on this podcast probably this time of year for the last five years.

Speaker 7:
[69:02] You know what I mean?

Speaker 1:
[69:02] It's like, when does Ford panic? In November, they'll start panicking.

Speaker 3:
[69:06] Yeah, no big worries.

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Speaker 7:
[70:18] Yeah, we had a bunch. There's a common theme, you'll see. And Tommy, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1:
[70:23] Oh, God.

Speaker 6:
[70:24] Damn it, Tommy. That was a whole call.

Speaker 1:
[70:29] That was probably one of the better ones.

Speaker 3:
[70:31] He did say it was his fault.

Speaker 5:
[70:33] Cody Ware spins right round, baby, right round, like a broken record, baby, right round, round, round. That's what happens when you, my dumbass reason, out for 64 laps.

Speaker 6:
[70:50] Yes, Cody Ware, for one, for you bringing out the caution. This would have been probably one of the most boring races of the season. So thank you, Cody Ware.

Speaker 5:
[70:59] Well, that's positive. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[71:03] Before, that was a pretty lackluster, Gen 7 mile and a half race. Do you think that's going to be the trend, the more time we have to spend with this car?

Speaker 5:
[71:13] I hope not. I mean, it's just nobody's... The cars are just... The tools are getting so good, the cars are handling halfway, all of them halfway decent now. And just nobody's making any mistakes on restarts. They're stuck to the ground on restarts. It's just, man, I don't know, man. I hope not. I mean, it was a boring race.

Speaker 1:
[71:32] Yeah. I mean, it was kind of just... I don't know how well TV did it, but there was no...

Speaker 5:
[71:36] What was Gluck's play?

Speaker 1:
[71:37] I haven't looked yet. But I mean, it was kind of just run 35 laps, pit, run to the end of the stage, run 35 laps, pit. There was no...

Speaker 5:
[71:45] I mean, the 11 did... Their strategy was going to have them win the race if the caution doesn't come out. I mean, they pitted four laps, five laps earlier than the 45, took the lead, had... 45 had problems after he passed the 11.

Speaker 6:
[72:01] Was he running out of fuel or something?

Speaker 1:
[72:03] That's what he said. I haven't gotten a job. We'll meet tomorrow.

Speaker 5:
[72:05] He got in the wall there at one time.

Speaker 1:
[72:06] He said that it stumbled, so he was trying to flip the switch to get more fuel. When he hit the fence, it sucked him in and Denny passed him. That was with two or three to go. They were racing to the end there. I haven't met with them guys yet. You have to officially hear what happened. I just feel like we've made the window so small that it's going to be hard to...

Speaker 5:
[72:31] All the tools are getting refined, man, just like any other car that we have introduced into our sport. Like I said, you got the three biggest ones, finishing where it's supposed to finish, and you got the rest of the group trying to hang on.

Speaker 7:
[72:46] I love Saturday racing.

Speaker 1:
[72:48] I mean, it's way more fun, like this, especially going into this weekend. I can't wait to spot Saturday's race.

Speaker 5:
[72:55] So far, I don't like Saturday racing.

Speaker 1:
[72:57] Saturday racing has not worked that good.

Speaker 5:
[73:00] He's got 33 laps in two races.

Speaker 1:
[73:02] What did you tell me about tires yesterday? Like, he hasn't even used, like, he's only used one set?

Speaker 5:
[73:06] Yeah, one set, yeah. We bought, what, how many, 13 sets of tires. He's used one and a half sets so far. Three of them gone flat.

Speaker 7:
[73:14] It is cool, though. I mean, seeing, you know, what the CW's doing, the TV numbers, like, just the strength of what that's becoming, you know, even having, you know, friends or family or people that have kind of been brought in to NASCAR through, you know, relationship with us or our team. But, you know, it's starting to almost feel like college football a little bit.

Speaker 5:
[73:36] Yeah, it is.

Speaker 7:
[73:36] In a sense of, you know, there's NFL and there's college football and they're both great. And, you know, college football gets a pretty good turnout.

Speaker 5:
[73:45] That's a great point, man.

Speaker 7:
[73:46] So, I think they're doing a good job kind of growing an identity for it.

Speaker 1:
[73:50] If you, there, I think it was Daniel Sespedes last week shared a graph of, you know, the viewership numbers, like percentage up or down. And it is a pretty shocking graph to look at. So if you look them up on X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it, and check that graph out. And I think it's, I mean, I think it's a pretty simple formula. Better races, shorter races, easy to find every week. Same channel every week, all season long. And that's not rocket science.

Speaker 5:
[74:19] Plus, this is what else is happening. It's getting tougher. It's getting the charter system with only 36 cars so hard, not paying the other guys. The field is set, the drivers are set. Now you're having this next group of drivers come in in the talent level now. And you're right, Sam, between the O'Reilly Series and the Truck Series, the talent in the next couple of years is gonna be filled up, man, right? Waiting, and unfortunately, not a lot of them are gonna get the next chances. So that money is gonna get put into those two divisions. That talent is gonna get put in those two divisions. And the next couple of years, it's gonna be hard, man, harder than it is now.

Speaker 7:
[75:05] Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 3:
[75:07] Well, I hate to derail this really quick, but I just saw on X that Daniel Dye is going cup racing starting this weekend at Talladega.

Speaker 5:
[75:14] I've seen the trailer. Was it for the 78?

Speaker 3:
[75:17] Yep.

Speaker 5:
[75:17] I've seen the trailer.

Speaker 3:
[75:18] Talladega, Pocono, Daytona, Talladega for BT and the Cloud.

Speaker 1:
[75:25] That's good for him. He came back this week. He ran pretty well in the arc race.

Speaker 5:
[75:29] Yeah. He should have. Yeah. He had led some laps. Yeah. We all say stupid shit when.

Speaker 1:
[75:35] Definitely. Yeah. It all happens. We will all do. If you haven't done it yet, get ready. It's coming. We have derailed. The actual theater doll is going to kill us. But yeah, I'm sorry. Next caller.

Speaker 5:
[75:44] I know. Let's keep talking. I think we're doing good. That's all the calls, right?

Speaker 7:
[75:52] Glucks polls at 49 percent.

Speaker 5:
[75:54] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[75:55] That's probably where it should be.

Speaker 6:
[75:57] My wife told me Kyle Busch probably isn't going to win. So if he finishes last, then he could get some. He couldn't even get that done today. So thanks, Kyle Busch and Cody Ware.

Speaker 5:
[76:09] Couldn't even be Cody Ware as that. Yeah, we almost had his ass.

Speaker 6:
[76:13] I'm so glad Dennis Hamlin didn't win today. Oh, Pookie Bear, he was so mad. Yeah, he had his boo boo face on.

Speaker 3:
[76:22] Pookie Bear?

Speaker 1:
[76:23] Pookie Bear, that's tough.

Speaker 3:
[76:25] Sam just looked at me and goes, are these real?

Speaker 4:
[76:27] Yeah, they are, they are.

Speaker 7:
[76:29] And Tommy, we ran out of gas with 18 to go, so I hope someone starts funneling me the hate because I know you're spying.

Speaker 4:
[76:37] Careful what you wish for.

Speaker 5:
[76:38] I am scarred. Don't worry, none of this shit bothers me.

Speaker 6:
[76:43] Two more. Well, motherfucker, I got to watch the Jolly Green Giant and his little fucking Leprechaun in Victory Lane again. If I got to watch this shit one more time, I guess I'm going to switch over to Indygar or some shit.

Speaker 1:
[76:58] Get used to it.

Speaker 5:
[76:59] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[77:00] Wow, I'll tell you what, nothing like the NASCAR Toyota Michael Jordan Cup Series today. Man, at this point, I could grab my wife's Toyota Rav4, take it out on the track and probably beat half the field.

Speaker 3:
[77:14] You should try it. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 6:
[77:16] All right.

Speaker 3:
[77:16] Well, if you want to leave a message after a fun race weekend or a boring one, you can call our number at 704-802-9572, and we'll play the best ones each week on the show. Shit shows. Shit shows.

Speaker 1:
[77:28] Oh, my favorite shit show is back this week.

Speaker 3:
[77:32] What, Bowman Gray?

Speaker 1:
[77:32] Oh, yeah. Here we go. So this, I mean, I don't understand. So this was father and son. I forget the name. I know it's AJ Sanders.

Speaker 5:
[77:40] This guy's throwing the caution.

Speaker 1:
[77:41] What? The race is over.

Speaker 5:
[77:42] You need to get out of the way.

Speaker 1:
[77:44] Yeah, that was the one. Like I have been harping on this for years about, you know, these guys can't be doing this shit because they're going to hurt somebody in the infield because these guys are just standing there. But the guys in the infield also have to fucking figure out they can't get in the middle of this shit either. Like the cop just runs in the middle of it. Like, get out of the fucking way.

Speaker 3:
[78:02] Yeah, this guy just kicked the car.

Speaker 1:
[78:04] The cop just kicked the car. But I mean, it doesn't take much for one. Somebody on the other side had to see these guys and hit the other car from the other side and pin that guy in between them. Like, these guys need to be smarter not to do this dumb shit and wreck your cars opening night of all things. But then these other people that are in the infield also need to get the hell out of the way and don't get themselves hurt.

Speaker 3:
[78:24] Yeah, and I mean, pointing them flags and hitting everyone's car with the flags. It's not kicking them.

Speaker 1:
[78:29] The cop kicking the car is...

Speaker 3:
[78:33] And then you see the double birds down here in the left, boom.

Speaker 1:
[78:38] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[78:39] It's embarrassing, man. It's embarrassing.

Speaker 1:
[78:41] It is. And hopefully, there's a set of precedent with throwing that guy out.

Speaker 5:
[78:46] They should throw five. I mean, it's just, I know, look, Bowman Gray's a show, right? It's not, they don't consider themselves much of racing.

Speaker 1:
[78:56] It's a madhouse.

Speaker 5:
[78:56] It's the madhouse. I mean, that's what the fans love to do. That's, Winston Salem loves that type of stuff.

Speaker 1:
[79:01] And listen, they got better last year. They cleaned a lot of it up. They still need to go further, obviously. You know, and they didn't have, the modified race wasn't great. You know, it was a lot of cautions in that one.

Speaker 7:
[79:11] Do you remember when we East raced at Bowman Gray? Were you there for that?

Speaker 1:
[79:14] Yeah, our car needed a right side, a left side, a hood, a tail and a roof. And we finished sixth.

Speaker 7:
[79:20] Yeah, I ran the entire race looking out on my left side window net because the first stack up, we were running steel bodies still. I mean, I'm aging myself. You know, we all had our hoods folded up. So somewhere there's a picture of four of us. And we're all in the corner. And it's like got you. It's like an old picture. We're all looking at the left side window because the hood is just each car has a hood pushed up. So fun memory from there.

Speaker 5:
[79:47] That's awesome.

Speaker 3:
[79:48] I saw this one over the weekend. The parachuter at VT.

Speaker 5:
[79:53] Did he miss?

Speaker 3:
[79:55] He gets stuck on the sign up here. He gets hung on the video board. He's okay. He is okay.

Speaker 1:
[80:01] He is hopefully. Yeah, he's coming down and boom.

Speaker 5:
[80:05] Oh, jeez.

Speaker 1:
[80:06] He hit hard. That's obviously hurts.

Speaker 3:
[80:08] But now this is the worst part hanging there.

Speaker 1:
[80:10] He just hangs there and hangs there.

Speaker 5:
[80:13] And I'm glad he didn't fall because that would hurt.

Speaker 1:
[80:16] Well, I don't have a new I never watched long enough.

Speaker 5:
[80:18] The parachute would not have worked after that.

Speaker 1:
[80:20] No, you don't think so.

Speaker 5:
[80:22] Right. That's a big fall. That's 30, 40 feet.

Speaker 7:
[80:26] Tommy, don't you feel like you've felt that before? Yeah, like we haven't fallen like that, but I feel like I've been hanging off the jumbo drum before.

Speaker 5:
[80:35] Yeah, that was me about 10 o'clock last night when you guys were still texting and I was feeling the wrath of the weekend.

Speaker 3:
[80:42] Did you have to get into the red wine last night, Tommy?

Speaker 5:
[80:44] No, I went right to bed.

Speaker 1:
[80:45] Was this real? I thought this was AI.

Speaker 5:
[80:47] No, this is real.

Speaker 6:
[80:48] As far as I know, this is real.

Speaker 3:
[80:49] What it?

Speaker 1:
[80:51] Oh!

Speaker 4:
[80:52] So there's a robot.

Speaker 5:
[80:54] Look at the stretcher!

Speaker 1:
[80:55] It's going to run. I swear to God, I thought this was fake. But maybe it's not. And maybe it's just staged. I don't know. But yeah, there's like a robot going to run a race, I guess.

Speaker 5:
[81:03] Look at a guy laughing to cameraman.

Speaker 1:
[81:04] He trips over a little speed bump and game over, spazzes out, blows his arm off. Then they run out with a stretcher to get him.

Speaker 3:
[81:10] It looks like a yard sale. If you've like ever been skiing before, like it looks like when you wreck and you blow off your poles and your skis are going five different directions.

Speaker 1:
[81:19] It's a bad week for robots.

Speaker 7:
[81:21] Apparently, there's like a race in China where they race these guys.

Speaker 4:
[81:24] And they were just all over the place.

Speaker 3:
[81:26] There's one in the bushes.

Speaker 1:
[81:28] We got one in the bush. This guy's dancing.

Speaker 3:
[81:30] Oh, he's about to fall over.

Speaker 1:
[81:32] That's me last night.

Speaker 7:
[81:36] I'm not saying anything about these things. I'm not saying a word about him falling apart.

Speaker 1:
[81:42] One's going to walk in the room.

Speaker 3:
[81:43] No, guys, that's that's real. I like sometimes like when I use Chad GPT to ask it something, like I'll be like, please and thank you. And like, because like if the robots ever take over the world, I want them to know that I was nice. I was kind to them.

Speaker 1:
[81:55] Dale has named his. Has anybody called on to that? Dale is it's Chad, right? What does he call it?

Speaker 4:
[81:59] Yeah, he calls it Chad.

Speaker 3:
[82:01] He calls his ChatGPT.

Speaker 1:
[82:02] Yeah, he said, I asked Chad. I'm like, who the hell is Chad? And he talks about it.

Speaker 3:
[82:06] Umbrella's Assaulting Fans at PNC Park.

Speaker 5:
[82:09] Oh, oh, oh, tornado. There was a, that was a, and they said it was a tornado there.

Speaker 1:
[82:13] That happened.

Speaker 3:
[82:13] There's patio umbrellas flying.

Speaker 1:
[82:14] That happened on the roof one time. Carl Miller lost an umbrella and it almost took everybody's head off.

Speaker 3:
[82:21] Damn.

Speaker 7:
[82:21] Did you feel the wind Saturday?

Speaker 5:
[82:23] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[82:24] Are you shitting me?

Speaker 7:
[82:25] I mean, we were holding the top of the canopy. The JGL one flew off.

Speaker 1:
[82:27] No, I didn't feel any. It was, no, there was no wind on the roof, Sam.

Speaker 7:
[82:31] You're bigger. I mean, you've got a better base.

Speaker 1:
[82:34] I mean, I was hunkered down, but it was still windy.

Speaker 3:
[82:37] He's not going anywhere.

Speaker 5:
[82:38] Kansas on the spot is standing, it's windy. It could be beautiful and it's still 20 to 20 miles.

Speaker 1:
[82:41] We had a conversation on Channel 2 because Chris asked me, which you get on Channel 2, I don't think most of the time, but Chris is like, you're right up there. I'm like, yeah, I'm fat. He's like, no, you're not fat. I said, Chris, I'm fat. Like, yes.

Speaker 5:
[82:51] You're plump.

Speaker 7:
[82:52] How do you like working with Chris?

Speaker 1:
[82:53] I hate it.

Speaker 7:
[82:54] Yeah, I figured.

Speaker 1:
[82:55] I can't stand it. I told Sam when I went over there, I said, we're going to regret this, but I'm just coming over here to work with Chris and whatever at the time. I spotted for him when he was crew chiefing. I spotted for him when he used to race. I'm just a great guy and I don't know, you might not call him the leader of the shop down there, but I feel like he's just been with you forever.

Speaker 5:
[83:16] Is Cram still working for you?

Speaker 7:
[83:18] Yeah, he's our shop foreman.

Speaker 5:
[83:19] Still cursing at you?

Speaker 7:
[83:19] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[83:20] Still mad at you?

Speaker 7:
[83:20] Yeah. He makes me better. But Bowen's been with us for three or four years now, and he's really blossomed into a leader. He's a racer. I think our place, I'd say I feel better about our people than even our equipment. With the Bowens and the Fuzz and some of the DEI guys from back in the day, it's hard to find well-rounded racers that want to just come in and grind and really do this.

Speaker 1:
[83:50] Was that another fat joke?

Speaker 7:
[83:52] Yes. Always.

Speaker 1:
[83:53] I mean, Jesus.

Speaker 7:
[83:54] I mean, I was saying earlier, eventually I'm going to take on true team owner form.

Speaker 3:
[84:00] Oh, yeah?

Speaker 7:
[84:00] Put on 200 lbs, you know, just...

Speaker 3:
[84:03] Start wearing button-down collar shirts.

Speaker 7:
[84:05] My hair is already starting to go, so I'm like a transformer.

Speaker 1:
[84:09] Sam's point about being over there, I went over there two years ago, in part to spot for a Toyota, but I went there, we didn't have a driver when I went there. I just said, I'm coming over here, I'm friends with Sam, I've known Bowen forever, I said, I just want to be somewhere where I'm having fun racing. Like we talked about this with Dean last week, I talk about it on here a lot. If you're not having fun doing this, then you're completely wasting your time. So it's just been fun to be over there. And I've had people ask me last offseason to do it, and I'm like, nah, I think I'm good where I'm at for a while. So I appreciate what you guys have over there. And it's just a lot of fun to fuck with Bowen all the time and watch him get spun out. Talk you off a ledge once in a while, talk you off a jumbo trunk.

Speaker 3:
[84:50] All right, last one for the shit show. What is happening? Oh, oh.

Speaker 1:
[84:55] Is that fucking sheep?

Speaker 5:
[84:56] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[84:57] What are they? Why are there sheep?

Speaker 1:
[84:59] Are they cutting the grass?

Speaker 3:
[85:00] Why are there sheep?

Speaker 5:
[85:01] Oh, he's rounding them up.

Speaker 3:
[85:02] At the baseball game.

Speaker 5:
[85:02] Sheep dogs rounding up. Apparently, they're not supposed to be there.

Speaker 1:
[85:05] They're not supposed to be there.

Speaker 7:
[85:07] You guys don't play baseball with sheep?

Speaker 1:
[85:08] I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[85:09] Not typically, but I mean, I've heard about it before.

Speaker 4:
[85:12] It was a foul ball.

Speaker 1:
[85:15] Jesus.

Speaker 3:
[85:16] That's what it says on it.

Speaker 1:
[85:19] There was one. Damn it. I don't know where it's at now. We'd have to look it up, but I did have to give a shout out for the shitshow Trevor Ward. Did you see Trevor Ward win at South Boston? And I don't know if he was trying to show off.

Speaker 5:
[85:30] Did you see this? Normally, you know, you try to spin the tires up, get...

Speaker 1:
[85:33] Yeah, he lost it. He's coming to the checker. He's leading a late model race South Boston.

Speaker 7:
[85:37] I saw the replay.

Speaker 1:
[85:38] And I think he just wanted to like buzz the tires.

Speaker 5:
[85:40] That would have been some bitch if some bitch stopped before it stopped.

Speaker 1:
[85:43] If he didn't make it to the line.

Speaker 5:
[85:44] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[85:44] But he deserves a shout out for the shitshow. I was going to wait for winners.

Speaker 5:
[85:49] He needs to be on the list.

Speaker 1:
[85:50] He's on the list for winners, but we're going to add him.

Speaker 5:
[85:51] Winner and shitshow.

Speaker 1:
[85:52] Yeah, we'll add him on there.

Speaker 7:
[85:54] He didn't just get free.

Speaker 5:
[85:55] He was a shit winner.

Speaker 3:
[85:56] Yeah, he's a shit winner. All right, well, you can check out those nominees in our YouTube description, and don't forget to vote on Dirty Mo Media's X profile. And then now I think we also have a running graphic with each week's winners on it that we'll continue to update throughout the year so everybody can stay posted on who to watch out for at the racetrack or at a baseball game. Sheep, I guess. Time to move on to Ask DBC and these questions are submitted by our fans. Sam, what is a moment as a team owner?

Speaker 5:
[86:36] Hold on a second. What about the shit show were you talking about last week's show? I seen you talking about something, taking a poop in the woods or something.

Speaker 1:
[86:44] What?

Speaker 3:
[86:45] It was when I was younger, LW ripped his sleeves off his shirt and gave them to me to wipe.

Speaker 1:
[86:51] That is a literal shit show.

Speaker 5:
[86:52] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[86:53] I just wanted to bring that up.

Speaker 7:
[86:55] All right.

Speaker 5:
[86:55] Go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[86:56] Go watch Rare Breeds.

Speaker 1:
[86:56] I was on Rare Breeds by the way.

Speaker 7:
[86:59] All right.

Speaker 3:
[86:59] What's a moment as a team owner that has made you want to look around and take it all in?

Speaker 1:
[87:04] The day he hired me.

Speaker 3:
[87:06] Jesus.

Speaker 1:
[87:09] I mean, the day he fired me is going to be the next day.

Speaker 7:
[87:13] Man, that's tough. I mean, it's easy to jump to good top five finishes or some of those special moments. But man, I feel like daily, when I started and it was just me and Clint, you know, we did everything. You know, I built the cars, you know, we set them up like I was still doing, you know, everything hands on where now, you know, my roles changed a lot and I'm in an office upstairs looking down at the shop floor and all the things I really fell in love with. But super corny, but I feel like every day when I leave, you know, to just be able to see all the people that have bought into the program, you know, and a lot of people that have left very good, you know, organizations that might be able to pay a little bit more or have a little more instant success. I, like, I've really, my mindset's changed a lot in the last five years on why I'm doing this. I think when I started, it was all, not all about me, but I just wanted to win and I wanted to show everyone that I could, I could win and, you know, have the trophies and, you know, I'm in a totally different headspace now to where I just want my people to win. Like, I really, I don't need the trophy at my house to be happy or to live a happy life, you know, but if I can see these guys and girls that, you know, jumped on this half-built boat that's constantly taking water, and, you know, if I can see them win, you know, and I see them, you know, win at work every day, but I'm kind of steering into a goal. Like, I just, I want to see all those people rewarded, and, you know, that's kind of become my purpose, because I think the process is the same. Well, you know, when we do win, you know, Monday's going to roll around, and it's going to be on to the next race, and, you know, we'll cherish those moments, but I've really learned to love the process of what we do, and a lot of the process is ugly and challenging. But yeah, I think for me, just, you know, seeing 25, 30 people that have, you know, dedicated their, you know, their living to working for me is when I really soak it all in.

Speaker 5:
[89:34] Seen them smile, right? Seen them smile, right?

Speaker 3:
[89:36] Yeah. That's really cool. That's cool. And I'm actually myself interested in the answer to this one. If you could only wear one band's T-shirt for the rest of your life, who's would it be and why?

Speaker 7:
[89:47] So I think it'd have to be Blink 182. There's a tattoo on my thigh, college days, but you know, it's funny.

Speaker 5:
[89:56] You want to explain? Yeah, I mean, the college days, but you want to explain the night?

Speaker 7:
[90:00] It was just a long night. I studied really hard.

Speaker 3:
[90:04] You were rewarding yourself.

Speaker 2:
[90:06] I was in the library.

Speaker 7:
[90:07] Very nonstop. But no, it's actually a kind of funny story with, you know, Blink. And I've always been kind of a rock punk, you know, listener, which isn't...

Speaker 3:
[90:17] You and Noelle put me on My Chemical Romance originally.

Speaker 7:
[90:20] Yeah, definitely went through those phases. But Blink 182 and 98, they released an album called Enema of the State, and the CD had a nurse on it that was, you know, pulling a glove on and, you know, good looking nurse for a five year old kid to look at. But we were, I think we were moving to the Netherlands or we were going overseas and somehow, I don't know if I stole the CD or I ended up living in the Netherlands and having this Blink 182 CD and it was like the only thing in English that I could listen to. So I had my Walkman and that CD and, you know, I was far too young to be listening to it. But yeah, I mean, I think just sentimentally that band's just, you know, I think for any 90s kid.

Speaker 1:
[91:10] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[91:10] You better have a whole different story on my shit.

Speaker 1:
[91:13] Yeah, no, I know. Or not. I did get a live DBC question. I was like, very randomly. Mike Ford just texted me and he wants me to tell you to tell your Battle at the Beach story.

Speaker 7:
[91:23] Oh, man.

Speaker 1:
[91:25] Battle at the Beach, if you don't know, that was the race on the backstretch at Daytona with K&N cars, I assume.

Speaker 7:
[91:31] Yeah, so I guess this is kind of maybe my entry to team ownership unintentionally. So the Battle of the Beach was a short track race that they did on the backstretch, what, 12 years ago? It's been that long?

Speaker 1:
[91:45] It's been that long.

Speaker 7:
[91:46] Yeah, anyways, it was live TV. I never raced on live TV. I was in Virginia, I had my K&N car with some family and friends that helped build it. And I was like, man, I really want to go run at Daytona. Like to me, at that point in my life, that was still a pretty big deal. So we put this car together, went down there to try and make that race. I was just terrible. I think one of the springs wasn't sitting in the bucket, so the thing just never turned. Just full rear brake, but it was literally, it was just two hairpins. It was a Bowman Gray. Yeah. So I ended up qualifying for the race and making it, which was cool. And this was a little, this time was kind of before you had your phone everywhere. So I went to Driver Intros, and it was me, Brandon McReynolds, Corey LaJoy. You know, we're all kind of talking, going to the stage. And I went out and they introduced me as the wrong driver. And I figured they messed up the rundown or whatever, but I didn't think anything of it. So then I walked back to the impound and there was another driver standing at my car. There were seat molds on my roof. And I had no idea what was going on. And I don't think, I don't know if it was my dad or my friend. Someone found me and they were like, hey Sam, like you're not racing anymore. And I was like, what do you mean? And they're like, yeah, someone showed up with a briefcase. And yeah, we sold you out immediately. And you know, you can go to college or something now, but you're too sick to race. So yeah, so I just kind of had to leave. They were like, yeah, we're gonna say you're sick on the broadcast. It was another driver that was in a good car and didn't qualify for the race. And I don't know if they were obligated to run every week, but yeah, I got sold out quicker than man anything. And again, it's probably for the best because I watched that guy struggle in my terrible car. But yeah, it was like the first time someone else kind of got in the car. And McReynolds always jokes that they only lit up the part of the speedway that the track was on. And he always jokes that he saw me walking down the super stretch into the darkness.

Speaker 4:
[94:18] And it was like, they sold Sam's soul and he's gone forever.

Speaker 7:
[94:23] And yeah, you know, so we obviously that those resources were valuable in my life. And yeah, crazy, a lot of crazy stories along the way.

Speaker 3:
[94:36] DBC picks, Tommy pulled out a win this week.

Speaker 5:
[94:40] What do you mean pulled out? I won.

Speaker 3:
[94:42] All right. Guest pick first. So, Sam, you can pick anyone on this.

Speaker 5:
[94:46] Yeah, he finished seventh and he's not great out.

Speaker 3:
[94:48] Except somebody that's great out.

Speaker 7:
[94:50] I mean, I'm I've got to go with Reddick again.

Speaker 3:
[94:54] I mean, I just know I mean, that's fair.

Speaker 7:
[94:56] I just again, as a business guy and looking at statistics, I'm going with Tyler.

Speaker 3:
[95:03] OK, I go next. I am going to go with Carson Hosovar.

Speaker 1:
[95:10] I guess I'll pick third.

Speaker 3:
[95:11] You are next.

Speaker 1:
[95:12] Yeah, I will take. I'll take Kyle Busch.

Speaker 3:
[95:17] Wow. This week, so he's going to turn it around.

Speaker 5:
[95:20] Kieselowski, that's who I was going to pick.

Speaker 1:
[95:23] But I felt like I didn't use him somewhere.

Speaker 5:
[95:25] Well, shit. Who's spotting for him?

Speaker 3:
[95:26] Nope. Nope. You already picked TJ.

Speaker 1:
[95:28] Sorry. You're fucked.

Speaker 3:
[95:30] You already picked. And Neil and Neil.

Speaker 1:
[95:33] We got weekend winners.

Speaker 3:
[95:34] Weekend winners.

Speaker 1:
[95:35] Shit load of them. Sammy, can you guys have one race you want to shout out this week? Me?

Speaker 7:
[95:39] No, I'll let you guys lead off.

Speaker 5:
[95:42] He was a little busy this week.

Speaker 1:
[95:44] Obviously, we had Reddick, Taylor Gray. Didn't talk about Taylor Roddy. He's doing really well this year. Geo, God bless him. He won. Trevor Ward, we mentioned already. I saw old Sunshine won the Outlaw Race last night.

Speaker 3:
[95:58] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[95:59] Maddie Hirsch won ROC at Mahoning. Kerry Madsen won his first High-Limit Race at Lucas Oil.

Speaker 5:
[96:06] How old is that guy?

Speaker 1:
[96:07] He's 87 years old now, I think.

Speaker 3:
[96:09] Kerry Madsen has got to be like 40 something.

Speaker 5:
[96:12] Yeah, I heard he was saying.

Speaker 1:
[96:13] Yeah, he's probably in his 40s, I would say.

Speaker 5:
[96:15] I didn't realize that.

Speaker 1:
[96:15] He might be pushing 50.

Speaker 3:
[96:17] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[96:18] Tim Brown won the Hayes Jewelers 200 at Bowman Gray. I saw one of the Greggs won the Sportsman Race. I don't know who won the other races. It was probably one of those guys. They're all rolling each other.

Speaker 3:
[96:28] Backing into each other.

Speaker 1:
[96:30] Stewie won his 100th race at Fonda, Stewart Friesen.

Speaker 5:
[96:33] RJ. Williamson won the night before, right? The dirt race, the dirt series.

Speaker 1:
[96:39] RJ. Johnson won the USAC Spring Car Race. Tate Fogelman won the RHA, am I saying that right?

Speaker 6:
[96:45] IHRA.

Speaker 1:
[96:49] Somebody else won the pro race.

Speaker 5:
[96:50] Roderick. Roderick.

Speaker 3:
[96:52] Casey Roderick. Landon Huffman won at Tri County.

Speaker 5:
[96:56] And Wake.

Speaker 3:
[96:57] And Wake.

Speaker 1:
[96:58] Finally, I can't remember the last time you won.

Speaker 5:
[97:02] Emmerlyn won New Hampshire, and DJ Shaw won New Hampshire.

Speaker 1:
[97:06] DJ Shaw, I saw Connor Sousa won the ACT race, DJ Shaw won the PASS race. I couldn't find results of the modified race. Emmerlyn won. That's good. Chase Burrow won Langley. Jeremy Miller won the Big 8 Super Spring Classic at Grundy County.

Speaker 3:
[97:19] Oh, Ashton Higgins won at Kingsport.

Speaker 1:
[97:21] There you go. Chrissy Wallace won at Shenandoah.

Speaker 3:
[97:24] Yes, she did.

Speaker 1:
[97:24] See who her crew chief was?

Speaker 5:
[97:25] Was it Jeremy Mayfield?

Speaker 1:
[97:26] No. Todd Parrott.

Speaker 5:
[97:28] No. Oh, that's right. He does that car.

Speaker 1:
[97:30] Yeah. Good for Todd. Todd is something. Todd was at TBR when I was at TBR, and it was fun. Jay Garcia won the Southern Super Series Race at Montgomery, and in the Rick Ware Racing late model, Michael Bumgarner won at Hickory.

Speaker 5:
[97:45] For the 11th time in a row.

Speaker 3:
[97:47] For him at Hickory?

Speaker 5:
[97:48] They keep making him start further and further back.

Speaker 3:
[97:51] Hickory put like a bounty on him.

Speaker 7:
[97:52] There's a rule, right?

Speaker 5:
[97:53] I think, right?

Speaker 3:
[97:54] Well, they have a rule if you have five.

Speaker 5:
[97:56] No, no. This week, you're going to start 10th, they said. Literally.

Speaker 3:
[97:59] They have to just keep bumping him backwards.

Speaker 7:
[98:01] Same rules and everything.

Speaker 5:
[98:02] No, no. Next week, you can start in the pits.

Speaker 1:
[98:06] They're going to start doing that shit to Riddick.

Speaker 7:
[98:09] I had a late model race at Shenandoah Speedway in Virginia, and it was my first full-bodied car race, and I ran the limited late model race and didn't realize we had a late model motor in my car, and they just... I somehow got to race the limited race with the big motor, and I wore him out. And it was probably the worst thing I ever did in my life because I left there just thinking, man, I can do this.

Speaker 5:
[98:37] They didn't take you?

Speaker 7:
[98:39] No, I don't know what happened. I just remember rolling around everyone on the top and just thinking this racing thing was going to be really easy.

Speaker 3:
[98:47] I heard they're opening it back up or have her on the way to. Maybe if they do, we could bring you out of retirement.

Speaker 7:
[98:53] Yeah, no, my guys always joke that if they win a race I have to run an ARCA super speedway race as a satire.

Speaker 5:
[99:03] Davenport won again, right? Did he win the volunteer?

Speaker 1:
[99:06] He won a bunch of money, I think. Was that this weekend? Yes. Strickler was talking about that yesterday.

Speaker 5:
[99:10] You see a picture of him when he was young floating through.

Speaker 1:
[99:13] Oh, my god. Tough. They said he won like 130 grand or something like that.

Speaker 5:
[99:17] 110, I think.

Speaker 1:
[99:18] Strickler was complaining because I think the night before, he said it was $800 a start. He finished, I think, 6 to 5, something like that. He got $875, and JD won like 20 grand through or something like that. 15 to win or something crazy like that. He said, yeah, Dale McDowell finished right in front of him. He got like 900. He goes, they were losing their minds. They were fourth and fifth and got the same money as the guys that started the race. But yeah, I don't know where we're going this week. And you got anything going on?

Speaker 5:
[99:46] We got Wake County with the Smart Tour.

Speaker 1:
[99:49] Is that the first time they've been here? Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[99:51] Then Jack, I think makes us...

Speaker 3:
[99:53] I hope you guys have a better time than we did. How many laps are you running? Oh, good. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[99:57] And Jack makes his debut Saturday for you guys with the Car Store with the Pro late model.

Speaker 3:
[100:01] He is?

Speaker 5:
[100:02] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[100:02] With Rick's?

Speaker 5:
[100:03] No.

Speaker 3:
[100:03] At Caroway?

Speaker 5:
[100:04] With another team, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[100:05] Is he running for Lopez?

Speaker 5:
[100:06] I don't know. Somebody.

Speaker 1:
[100:07] Somebody.

Speaker 5:
[100:08] The Stoke Shoes team.

Speaker 3:
[100:10] Oh, oh, oh, oh. The 11. I know they're talking about.

Speaker 1:
[100:13] Has he tested or anything?

Speaker 5:
[100:14] Tested all this week. Two at night. At Carraway.

Speaker 1:
[100:18] So, car store racing this week?

Speaker 5:
[100:20] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[100:20] Car store is at Carraway this weekend.

Speaker 5:
[100:22] New pavement.

Speaker 1:
[100:22] Both series, I guess.

Speaker 4:
[100:23] Yep.

Speaker 3:
[100:24] I have both.

Speaker 7:
[100:24] They repaved Carraway?

Speaker 4:
[100:25] Yeah. They did.

Speaker 5:
[100:25] The corners.

Speaker 1:
[100:26] Really?

Speaker 3:
[100:27] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[100:27] When did they do that?

Speaker 5:
[100:28] Over the winter.

Speaker 3:
[100:29] There's no curb down there anymore, right?

Speaker 5:
[100:31] I've done a really good job there. They got one of those grants to fix the track up and he's put-

Speaker 3:
[100:37] He really has. Put more grandstands up, improve their tower and speakers and all that kind of stuff. It is really-

Speaker 1:
[100:44] Sam, since I got you out of the comp meeting, what are you doing with the rest of your day?

Speaker 7:
[100:48] I'm going to see what happened. I've just been watching my phone just ding the entire time with questions, comments.

Speaker 5:
[100:55] This son of a bitch.

Speaker 7:
[100:56] Yeah. You know how it is, Tommy. Yeah. We got Talladega this weekend. I joke that the plate races are my taxes. I pay my speedway taxes and I'm waiting for the day. I get a tax return and I've been waiting for a couple of years now. But I don't know. I think Dean's become a pretty good plate racer. You've helped him a lot with that. And obviously Harrison's got a lot of experience.

Speaker 3:
[101:23] Freddie's head's not going to fit through the door.

Speaker 7:
[101:25] He paid me.

Speaker 3:
[101:27] I knew it. I thought I saw him slide something out of the table over there.

Speaker 7:
[101:30] Yeah. But no, I mean, it's you guys know, it's an opportunity race too. So, you know, excited to kind of take a lot of variable out. We're working on and just, you know, go see if we can make it happen close before.

Speaker 1:
[101:44] We appreciate you dropping by today. We'd love to have you back at some point, maybe another five years from now.

Speaker 4:
[101:51] If I'm still here, it's going to be bald, gray, fat.

Speaker 5:
[101:55] You won't recognize me.

Speaker 1:
[101:57] I told you, you got two ways to go. You get like that fat car owner thing or you go like the Harmon route and just get a little bigger and start driving again. You can go back in there.

Speaker 7:
[102:08] I mean, it's funny, man. The people are like what keep you going. And even being in this building, like shout out to Dale and Mike Bumgarner, like Mike has just been so good to me and he's a racer and like one of the first people to always jump in and help however he can. So, you know, there's really good people in this building to that, you know, keep me going.

Speaker 1:
[102:31] Especially today with the four of us.

Speaker 5:
[102:35] It's three.

Speaker 1:
[102:37] Well, there's more of them.

Speaker 5:
[102:38] It produces, yeah. That guy that slaps the thing there.

Speaker 1:
[102:41] They're in a better place. Thank you guys for listening. We will be back next, some of us will be back next week. Some of us are going on fucking vacation. Must be nice.

Speaker 5:
[102:51] And I hear that I'm gonna miss.

Speaker 1:
[102:53] I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[102:54] I'm not gonna say nothing, but this is not a setup and I don't want to hear anybody's shit.

Speaker 1:
[102:58] Yeah, you did bail on me before I told you who the guest was.

Speaker 5:
[103:02] Possible guest.

Speaker 1:
[103:02] Possible guest. So we'll see. Enjoy your...

Speaker 3:
[103:07] Am I gonna want to be here?

Speaker 5:
[103:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[103:10] I don't know. I'm trying to drag TJ back in here, maybe to fill in for you, or maybe we might have two guests next week, so we'll never know.

Speaker 5:
[103:17] I hate that. I really hate that I'm missing him.

Speaker 7:
[103:20] Where are you going, Tommy?

Speaker 5:
[103:22] To wife's 30th... 30th birthday.

Speaker 1:
[103:27] 30th? Your wife's 30th birthday?

Speaker 5:
[103:29] I told her on her 30th birthday that we can go wherever we want. She knows the racing schedule. She's like, well, after Talladega is probably the easiest for you, so we're going to go to Bahamas.

Speaker 7:
[103:40] Oh, awesome.

Speaker 5:
[103:42] First three days are going to be the family. Next three days, she's piling in her friends, so she's going to have fun. My oldest is bringing his yacht over, and I'm going to go.

Speaker 1:
[103:52] It still boggles my mind that that kid's got a yacht.

Speaker 5:
[103:56] Two of them now.

Speaker 1:
[103:57] You see his new one? Yeah, the new one is.

Speaker 3:
[103:59] Is he single?

Speaker 5:
[104:01] It depends on what day it is.

Speaker 1:
[104:03] Depends on what country he's in.

Speaker 5:
[104:04] Yeah, he's going to be in Monaco for the summer work.

Speaker 1:
[104:10] Anyway, thank you guys for listening. Some of us will be back next week, maybe with really fun stuff going on, but we will see you then. We're out. Bye.

Speaker 5:
[104:17] Peace out.

Speaker 7:
[104:18] See ya.

Speaker 4:
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