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Speaker 4:
[02:07] I feel like it hasn't really led that many laps.

Speaker 5:
[02:09] 199, I thought I saw it.

Speaker 4:
[02:11] 199, five wins with 199 laps lead. If that's real, who's got the fastest computer?

Speaker 5:
[02:18] 189 according to 80 AI.

Speaker 1:
[02:20] Who got there first? Trav?

Speaker 5:
[02:22] We'll call it a tie.

Speaker 4:
[02:23] 185 wins, 180 laps lead.

Speaker 5:
[02:26] 189.

Speaker 6:
[02:30] The following is a production of Dirty Mo Media.

Speaker 4:
[02:34] I believe that I've been a competitive for 20 years. Opinions from tonight's podcast are strictly biased. You're going to hear it from my point of view. I'm a fighter.

Speaker 1:
[02:49] No, you are not.

Speaker 4:
[02:50] This spoils the victory for Jared Allen.

Speaker 5:
[02:53] He's got better luck to drink and drink to win.

Speaker 4:
[02:55] I know, you do.

Speaker 1:
[02:57] Two trophies missing from your collection, the championship and the most popular driver.

Speaker 4:
[03:01] Someone told me that their drinking game is when I say for sure. Yeah, and I've already said it. Hey guys, welcome to Actions Detrimental after Kansas Speedway. Is it race number eight?

Speaker 5:
[03:19] Nine?

Speaker 4:
[03:20] Nine. Nine. Well, unfortunately, Travis, we didn't get that second win in that span of races that we talked about about a month ago.

Speaker 5:
[03:31] No, not our fault.

Speaker 4:
[03:34] I don't think it's from an effort, lack of effort either.

Speaker 5:
[03:37] No.

Speaker 4:
[03:42] Gosh, I'm trying to figure out how I can. I woke up mad. And it's Monday. Like waking up mad and it's Monday. It's just.

Speaker 1:
[03:54] Did you go to sleep mad?

Speaker 4:
[03:56] Just not the way to be. Yes. Yes.

Speaker 5:
[03:59] No, he went to bed happy and woke up mad.

Speaker 1:
[04:02] I don't know. I just wasn't sure if any of the Greg's attempts to cheer you up on the ride home really landed right.

Speaker 4:
[04:08] That guy's toxic positivity is driving me crazy.

Speaker 5:
[04:11] You're talking about Frinelli?

Speaker 4:
[04:13] Yes. I was so close to saying, Greg, read the room, read the room, Greg. You know what I mean? Like, you all know the deal by now, but he just but no, he knows his role, though.

Speaker 1:
[04:30] That's Greg's role. That's Greg's job. I can't do that. I'm not good at that. Like, I drove you to the airport. I didn't really say a word. So, oh, we have a guest.

Speaker 5:
[04:41] Oh, it's my best friend.

Speaker 4:
[04:44] Oh, Ricky, what's up, man? How are you doing?

Speaker 7:
[04:47] I just come to see what dumb takes Travis has in person.

Speaker 5:
[04:52] I got great takes.

Speaker 4:
[04:54] No. What's up, Ricky? What a pleasant surprise.

Speaker 7:
[04:59] Yeah. Travis.

Speaker 5:
[05:01] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[05:02] I mean, I don't know if this is great.

Speaker 4:
[05:04] This is coordinated, obviously, right? Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[05:07] All right. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[05:08] Of course, I landed last night. Got a text from Charlie and Jared. Of course, it's like you should come. You know, Travis, the way this works, I'm not sure a lot of people in our sport know how this works anymore. Well, yeah, it's 10 of us that know how it works.

Speaker 4:
[05:30] Yeah. He's taking your picture.

Speaker 7:
[05:34] Denny knows that, you know, whether he's lapping me at Martinsville or lapping me at the end of that race, Ricky looks out for me. It comes back around.

Speaker 4:
[05:43] No doubt. He absolutely looks out.

Speaker 5:
[05:46] I get it.

Speaker 7:
[05:47] So why didn't you like that? Why didn't you like it?

Speaker 5:
[05:49] Because I want Denny to go for the kill and sometimes I'm worried that.

Speaker 4:
[05:52] So I got to thinking about that too. And you would think correct that you just want to lap as many guys as possible. However. I don't in today's world where, OK, the more cars that are on the lead lap, yeah, that could potentially hurt your finish, but actually could potentially help you race and so on and points it like C Bell. I'm not rooting against him, but he had a worse finish because more cars were on lead lap. So it kind of goes both ways. You're going to have a bad day. You're going to have a bad day.

Speaker 7:
[06:23] And Denny's plan on winning anyway.

Speaker 4:
[06:26] I don't really care what the speed we have. But yeah, I don't know. I'm always trying to, especially if I have a lead coming to the end of a stage, I'm always aware of who's, I asked on the radio a few laps ago, all right, who's behind? And because I sit on the radio says who's behind the 34. They said the 47 or did I ask? I said, is the 47 behind the 34? They said, yes. I said, OK, let the 34. No, don't pass me because I'm going to go ahead and give him that.

Speaker 7:
[07:04] Yeah, the 34 was obviously way faster than I was. And you saw I think he pitted later. Yeah, he did. But I was hanging on for dear life. Did you see SVG about spinning me down the front straight away? And I was like, right in front of you. I was like, thinking right in front of the leader. This is great. You know? And then yeah, then I was like, all right, I got to keep the 71 and 97 behind me. I'm hoping the 34 is going to go past you. And then they're like, hey, just make sure you stay in front of the 71 and 97. I was like, all right, DH is going to take care of me.

Speaker 4:
[07:36] No doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 7:
[07:37] We know those things.

Speaker 5:
[07:39] I'm here also, I think people have to realize when I'm tweeting things, you got to take it with a grain of salt.

Speaker 4:
[07:45] The guy, listen, if he was on, if he was your fan, oh, you would be able to do no wrong. You know what I mean? Like it's one of those things where the guy is loyal to a fault.

Speaker 5:
[07:58] I told in our group texts, I'm like, every lap for me is like a play. And Denny knows what I'm like with every play. And so like I'm dealing with AP is like the eternal optimist. And like nothing bad can happen in a race like, like, come on.

Speaker 4:
[08:12] He was 20 ago like, oh, we got this.

Speaker 5:
[08:15] Charlie Denny's going to get in the next five laps, the next five laps. I'm like, you guys are just blind optimists. Like, come on.

Speaker 4:
[08:25] Is it is it too late to submit for DAP for this or? Oh, surely you can get some, right? I don't.

Speaker 7:
[08:30] I'm just stopping in. I was headed to Sim. I'm actually headed to Sim right now. How does it?

Speaker 4:
[08:36] I question for you. How does it feel to be like the second best Chevy team?

Speaker 7:
[08:42] I mean, last couple of weeks, we've been pretty solid. Yeah, we we took our off week and, you know, nobody took off and the guys worked hard and we've got more speed now these last two weeks.

Speaker 4:
[08:57] So it seems like you've been getting better. Given what you have for resources, not I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about, you know, the information that you get and stuff like.

Speaker 7:
[09:10] We got about 28 employees, I think.

Speaker 4:
[09:14] That's crazy.

Speaker 7:
[09:15] Yeah, we got 28 employees that actually work on the car, you know, in the shop. I think we got like 35, including the front office. And yeah, we get, you know, obviously limited information. But yeah, my guys, you know, we just trying to build our own notebook and see what comes. We obviously, I feel like our Saturdays are way better this year than they were last year, but we're struggling transitioning that to Sundays. You know, Kim, you mentioned something about, you know, the 50% like showing up. I feel like we're showing up good. It's trying to make sure we make those right adjustments for Sunday is where we struggled up until the break. And I think we're getting a little bit better the last two weeks.

Speaker 4:
[10:02] So it's been pretty cool to see. I mean, it's certainly, it's wild that there's such a disparity in like in the manufacturers, like, you know, when I look at Hendrick and obviously they are the flagship Chevy team, but then like the other teams that get the same information from Chevrolet, the same is like way off, like last. So it's crazy. And so it's, we take pride in that. It almost seems like you guys are like better off not getting the same information.

Speaker 7:
[10:42] I would take our chances of getting the information. You would? Yeah. I would take our chances. I think we got great people. And like you said, I mean, we take pride in going out and trying to beat teams. We know we're not going to go contend for a win at Kansas.

Speaker 4:
[10:57] So what is, all right, I'm a tough, I'm a, you know, I'm a competitor through and through, right? I want to compete and everything. So I think when I go to Kansas, I think the only way I don't win is if something at the ordinary, that's just my mindset. I go there. I know that that's what I've got. Like, what do you go into every weekend? You have to find, what is your victories? What's your victories?

Speaker 7:
[11:23] Because you have to be realistic. I'm a competitor just like you, right?

Speaker 4:
[11:25] But you have to be realistic.

Speaker 7:
[11:27] Yes. But I go in with the mindset, honestly, that, hey, we're going to win this weekend mindset-wise.

Speaker 4:
[11:36] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[11:36] We prepare that way. We go on the racetrack. After practice, we're like, all right, let's change our mindset, right?

Speaker 4:
[11:45] You shift your goals.

Speaker 7:
[11:46] Yeah, you shift it. So for us this weekend at Kansas, Saturday, pretty good, qualified 16th. I was like, man, if we could run in the top 20 all day, I'd be pumped. We ran in the top 22 all day. So we were close to our goal, not quite there. The last run, I felt like we made our car way better. But, you know, Bristol, after Saturday's practice, I felt like, man, we got a top 10 car. So I felt like we fell short at Bristol a little bit because we ended up 17th.

Speaker 4:
[12:19] But that's still your favorite track.

Speaker 7:
[12:20] It's still my favorite track. Yeah. And I think we got some good races coming up. Bristol, Kansas, Talladega, Texas. I like all those racetracks and we run well at all those. But, you know, we got six races that we can go for sure, try and win. And that's Daytona, Talladega and both Atlantis. So, you know, we make sure we try and go in those. And if you notice at the 500, I didn't try and get stage points, you know, because for us, it's like, are those 5, 10 points going to matter? Maybe, probably not. A win for us would be huge. So we kind of ride around, put ourselves in position, finish second. And that's the way we look at those. It's not that fun.

Speaker 4:
[13:04] I did that for many years. Most of the most successful years I had on Super Speedway was that I cared nothing about stage points. I'm not going to get in that until it's later. And then the world of next gen changed things a little bit because I was like, gosh, I get log jammed.

Speaker 7:
[13:20] I can't move.

Speaker 4:
[13:22] And so it became a little bit harder, but gosh, I don't know. I've shifted my mentality this year to on Speedways. If I wreck a wreck, I don't care. I'm going to just try to stay up front as far as I can. And I do, and I wreck anyway. And it's like, I've just been on...

Speaker 7:
[13:38] We've had that mindset. We've gone back and forth. And I've been, every time I've gotten in a wreck in a super speedway, I'm in the top eight.

Speaker 4:
[13:47] Well, now, statistically, the wreck starts at like position 2.5.

Speaker 7:
[13:51] Yeah, we won Talladega. We were leading and got hit in the door, you know, in that big 36 car pile up or whatever it was. Yeah, I was leading, got hit in the door.

Speaker 4:
[14:04] Man.

Speaker 7:
[14:05] So, yeah, we try and go win those races and, you know.

Speaker 4:
[14:10] My next and last question is this for you, is that, how does it feel to just be the number one NASCAR golfer?

Speaker 7:
[14:17] I don't know. Have you seen my scores lately? I don't know about that.

Speaker 4:
[14:20] Taking the title from me as of about like really four years ago when I got a job and started a race team. But I mean, you're a mid 70s guy now. That's just who you are.

Speaker 7:
[14:33] It's nice to be a mid 70s guy. I would like to like sit down and practice. I took that from you and you had Harmon as a swing coach. I'm flying to Florida to get lessons.

Speaker 4:
[14:51] I'm a competitor, man. I like to. I know. I know.

Speaker 5:
[14:55] There's competing and flying for lessons.

Speaker 4:
[14:57] Y'all remember when Dave Portnoy was like, wait a minute, you have a basket. You have someone train you for to play recreational basketball. It's like, what the is wrong with you?

Speaker 7:
[15:06] Tell him to show up to see how competitive it is. I need to come back for that.

Speaker 4:
[15:11] I know. We need you to sub.

Speaker 7:
[15:13] I know.

Speaker 4:
[15:15] I don't know what round they have you in.

Speaker 7:
[15:17] Probably last.

Speaker 4:
[15:18] No, I actually got drafted in the last round.

Speaker 7:
[15:21] How does that feel?

Speaker 4:
[15:23] The fall from the pinnacle of my basketball career.

Speaker 7:
[15:25] Last week, your three point percentage last week had to be pretty good.

Speaker 4:
[15:29] Large and steep. The fall from grace has been major on the basketball.

Speaker 7:
[15:34] I love coming in as the last round sub because there's no expectations.

Speaker 4:
[15:37] Oh, no. No, it's great.

Speaker 7:
[15:39] You remember the last game I subbed? I think I had 21.

Speaker 4:
[15:42] I know. Rain threes.

Speaker 6:
[15:45] Just let it go.

Speaker 4:
[15:46] Lee's been so much better this year with Al Charlie. He's not, you know, trying to manipulate the puppet master.

Speaker 7:
[15:51] Yeah, he's trying not to be still nursing his injury coming back.

Speaker 4:
[15:55] Yeah. Little knee. How about him hanging off that tree on Lake Norman?

Speaker 7:
[16:00] That was funny. How about you getting stuck with all the technology you have in that boat? You don't have a depth finder.

Speaker 4:
[16:07] I do. I knew we were in the shop. So right now, the fish are in the shallow flat. They're coming out of spawning. OK, so you got to get in the super, super shallow stuff. And I'm like, well, I didn't think I was going to get beached quite like that. But I threw mud.

Speaker 7:
[16:23] I mean, you were kicking up mud. Yeah, I was. I was I was surprised. I was like, man, all this technology, you just run around on the. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[16:31] Hey, I watched on. I don't know if our TV was on the bass tournament. There was a guy stuck on a tree.

Speaker 5:
[16:38] That was hilarious.

Speaker 7:
[16:39] So you felt you felt good about it. I sent a fisherman kind of the same.

Speaker 4:
[16:44] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[16:44] We'll Travis before you leave, though, Denny's childhood friend just wants to say hello. Ronnie, he's excited that you're on the show.

Speaker 7:
[16:51] I like Ronnie Ronnie Ronnie or tight.

Speaker 4:
[16:54] Yeah. Ronnie wears a forty seven hat most days.

Speaker 7:
[16:58] Yeah. Yeah. Ronnie Ronnie and I see out.

Speaker 4:
[17:02] Shout out to Ronnie is dad's not doing well. So we just we're thinking about Ronnie, by the way. Ronnie from the Denny Bros.

Speaker 7:
[17:10] Yeah. Yeah. All right, boys. I'll let you get back at it.

Speaker 4:
[17:13] Thanks, man.

Speaker 7:
[17:14] I was just, you know, basically on my ride from the track to the airport, I just kind of scroll.

Speaker 5:
[17:20] I was going to say, were you searching because you weren't in it?

Speaker 7:
[17:23] I don't I don't know how it popped up. I definitely don't follow you.

Speaker 4:
[17:27] And yeah, just usually your feed gets whenever your name is mentioned, it's going to it will the algorithm is going to feed you that stuff.

Speaker 5:
[17:36] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[17:37] So did you say Ricky or did you say the 47 or?

Speaker 5:
[17:40] I said Ricky.

Speaker 4:
[17:41] OK, yeah. So his for him page is probably going to feed that to him.

Speaker 5:
[17:45] Yeah, I appreciate Ricky stopping by and just saying it.

Speaker 4:
[17:47] Me too. He saved me from really I was about to go off. You I just talked about I woke up in a.

Speaker 5:
[17:55] Oh, yeah, we need to get back to that Monday. We ruin that part.

Speaker 4:
[17:57] And then all of a sudden Ricky comes in and now my I'm in a better mood.

Speaker 5:
[18:03] And we haven't we can still talk about that restart.

Speaker 7:
[18:06] Todd Gillen had feelings about it, too. Yeah, Denny's his goat.

Speaker 4:
[18:11] Yeah, yeah, that's all.

Speaker 7:
[18:14] All right, guys, have fun.

Speaker 4:
[18:15] See you.

Speaker 6:
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Speaker 5:
[21:13] Well, I think we go to short pitting.

Speaker 4:
[21:18] Great call. Holy cow. Right?

Speaker 5:
[21:21] I love Gail said, let's do it because you can't follow the leader. You're going to be behind leader.

Speaker 4:
[21:25] Well, I had fallen to about two seconds back from the lead, which is not insurmountable. Like when I need to hit the gas at the end of a Kansas race, I usually can get a little more than what I've been doing all day. So like two seconds, you know, had I come in right when they come in, that two seconds, I feel like in my heart of hearts, like I can go get that as long as the car's where it needs to be. So on top of that, if you saw our pitch top was a little slow, it's because we made an adjustment and they nailed it. They did a great job. Dylan's just a master of, you know, not losing a whole lot of time while actually cranking on the car. So we made an adjustment for that final run. That was really the only reason we didn't dominate the day is we just kind of lost the balance a little bit being tight middle through the middle of the race. Once we got that thing turning again at the end, it was it was rather nice. And Chris gave me a shot. His mentality was like, I'm going to put you in front of them and let's see them try to pass you. And they did, but that race wasn't over. I when when Reddit got to the lead, I saw he was starting to get loose. Like there's you go through such a balance shift in these cars leading versus not. And that was one of the key things that were my car went through that transition in the middle is that when I lost the lead on the restart and state to start stage two, I went back to like, I don't know, second, third, third, fourth, something like that. I just lost the balance of the car because I had planned on being up front all day. We made an adjustment again on that final run and it was great. Even versus the other guys, like we short pitted everyone, but we still pulled away other than Tyler, we pulled away from everyone else still with the older tires. So they just, they did, the team really did their part. And giving me a shot at this thing. And I was really looking forward to those last few laps because Tyler was struggling once he got back in front of me. And it was gonna be, it was gonna be exciting. I saw him getting to the wall. He was fighting the car. And when he got in the wall and I was able to get around him, I thought it was game over at that point, but it wasn't.

Speaker 5:
[24:00] What do you make of that caution?

Speaker 4:
[24:03] It was a caution. Looking back on it, could the caution have been held? Yes. Should it? Probably not. When I went by him, there was still a lot of smoke to where I couldn't even see him. So I didn't know whether he was going up the track, down the track. I didn't know. I just kept the foot down just in case. But yeah, you just, I don't know, you can't blame it on officiating because like a car spinning in the middle of the racetrack is usually, that's a caution, I would say. Now they've been holding it this year when guys have been spinning down the racetrack, like onto the apron, they've definitely held those cautions. But I think he was on the racetrack for, you know, enough time to where they weren't going to just sit there and wait on somebody to hit them, t-bone them in the side of the car.

Speaker 5:
[25:03] I know I'm biased on TV. Yes, you are. Maybe he looks slower, but he gets to, does he not get to the apron in a timely?

Speaker 1:
[25:11] He does gather it, but still, he spun out.

Speaker 4:
[25:16] I just, I mean, I can't tell you how many things had to happen for us to not win that race, but they all happened. Like, we could go through it all, but they all happened, and that is Kansas for me, in a nutshell. I just feel like it's, as long as, if everything just runs and goes, it's just a win. It's not a guaranteed win, but it's pretty close.

Speaker 1:
[25:47] Yeah, since 2023, Denny Hamlin has lost six races in OT. He would have won had they ended at the scheduled distance. It feels like three of which are Kansas.

Speaker 4:
[25:56] It feels like ten.

Speaker 1:
[25:57] That's since 2021.

Speaker 4:
[25:58] So since 23, I've lost on three Kansas OTs.

Speaker 5:
[26:03] You've lost six total, and you've won two because of OTs, so you're at net minus four.

Speaker 4:
[26:13] When I talked about all the things that had to happen for us to not win the race, and they all happened, it was like... You know, like, if the redic in the bell contact doesn't happen, and I get drove all the way down to the apron, like, Kyle's car was so bad those last two laps. I mean, he was so slow. He was really slow.

Speaker 5:
[26:46] He said he got real tight.

Speaker 4:
[26:48] Yeah, when you put two tires on and you have really old lefts, typically your balance is gonna go really tight. And he was, you know, that's why it looked like Tyler was Superman, is that it wasn't Tyler. It was, and if you look, look at the run I got through one and two. Without, you know, Chase came up, he's trying to clear me, right? Like as he should, but like I ran out of room, got in the wall. I was gonna have a massive run coming into turn three. I thought I was gonna be three wide with those guys entering turn three because of the run I got on the top. It wasn't Reddick. It was Larson that was just not fast those last two laps because of his balance. So, you know, when I talk about all the things that went wrong, it was, okay, well, I thought about it. And I thought about when the choose, I knew, okay, if Larson is behind me, he's going to go three wide. I've been there before. I knew that. But even still, I come off turn two, second, third, whatever it is, we're still fine because the leader didn't have the pace that you would think that the leader would normally have. So that ricochet sent me down and just, it was just a lot of really crummy circumstances that happened. But it was a, god, it's just, man, it's so frustrating. You know, I took this one a little tougher just because it's like, I want to capitalize. I've only got, you know, it's 50 some races left and it's like, or 60 races left. So I just, man, I want to get these wins when I should be winning. And it just, it's not happening. It's, you know, it's the loose wheel at the end of Martinsville. It's just, just a lot of stuff. That's just not going great in the luck category or the create your own luck and not executing category, which is, you know, what I chalk most of this up to is that, you know, I got a role in this and that is when, I know, because I've been there before, the five car's not going to push. He's going to try to get, do everything he can to go three wide. I've got to just go down to the apron and say, you want to go three wide, you're going to go through the middle. And I'm, I'll send you a forewarning right now. If this happens again, he's going to have to go the middle. I will not let him, I will run to the apron or keep him on the apron next time. I will not, I will not get beat low at this racetrack again.

Speaker 1:
[29:41] But like you knew that was gonna, Will not do it. But like didn't you know that was gonna happen yesterday?

Speaker 4:
[29:45] I did, but there's just no way to stop it.

Speaker 1:
[29:49] Could you start on the outside?

Speaker 4:
[29:50] There's not a way to stop it, other than what I end up doing then is if I, here's the risk in saying, okay, you're not gonna get beat low, you're just gonna have to drive all the way the apron to protect. Well then what that does is allow the 45 just to have free rein up there and he's just gonna blow by me right on the outside because I've got a horrible angle into the corner. But it's, I won't do it again. I've learned my lesson. It ain't happening again.

Speaker 1:
[30:20] Why not just start on the top?

Speaker 4:
[30:23] Should have, I should have. As strong as I know my cars are all mile and a half on the top, I absolutely should just start top no matter what. And let me be the guy on the outside because I'm gonna hold more throttle than everyone else is.

Speaker 5:
[30:38] Why didn't you? Because to start the race, you're on top and you got the lead and then.

Speaker 4:
[30:42] No, I didn't. It took four or five laps to get the lead. Tyler.

Speaker 5:
[30:48] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[30:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[30:49] But you started the second stage on the bottom and lost the lead.

Speaker 4:
[30:55] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[30:57] Really, that was the only other restart you were on the front row.

Speaker 4:
[30:59] The bottom is the preferred. The bottom wins by the numbers. It's going to show that the bottom one.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] Unless it's the last restart.

Speaker 4:
[31:09] No, all but one.

Speaker 1:
[31:11] Unless it's the last restart.

Speaker 4:
[31:12] And I think in the last restart, the rules change. I think the rules change.

Speaker 1:
[31:18] Right. Because the guy's not splitting you in stage two.

Speaker 4:
[31:20] Because people are not contending anymore. Everyone's just going to go for themselves. And that's where you have to just throw the numbers out.

Speaker 1:
[31:27] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[31:29] Then you got to, you know, but, you know, Larson had taken the top every time he was third, which was a lot, he took, he took fourth. That was the first time he took the inside from the third choose position all day, which told, that's what told me right then. I knew right then when he chose behind me, he asked, he says, he's going three wide. So it's just a matter of what, the mistake I made is that I need to put my, I need to make sure I was in the, on the bottom. And if he wants to go three wide, he has to go middle. That's what I'll do next time.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] How are you not just emotionally checked out when it comes to situations like these? Like they happen so often and you have zero control over Cody Ware spinning seven laps down. Ten yards.

Speaker 4:
[32:19] It's not. That's what's really frustrating me about it, is that we're not getting the wins that we deserve and it's selfish or it's arrogant or whatever it is, but it's facts. And I just don't, there's no way people are losing as many races as I am at the end because of these things, right? There's just no way.

Speaker 1:
[32:41] I don't know. We definitely look through it through Denny Hamlin colored glasses. I would be curious if there's any other driver that could tweet at Travis after this and be like, actually, I also experience the same things.

Speaker 4:
[32:54] Six in the last three years. Well, we're not even through year three yet. So it's actually two and a half years. No, two years and nine races.

Speaker 1:
[33:04] Well, it's including 23, 24, 25.

Speaker 4:
[33:06] It is three years. Yeah. It's a little over.

Speaker 5:
[33:09] What do you make of your down, Cody Ware, I think was down six laps and upon for the review, that is not Cody Ware's fault.

Speaker 4:
[33:17] That's and I got nothing but respect for Rick Ware and his team, Tommy Baldwin. They I'm fans of them because they are the true underdogs. They actually run decent considering what they have. We just talked about Ricky with 27 employees. That's way over punching their weight. The 51 actually has decent pace considering his resources, but the team put him in a no win situation.

Speaker 5:
[33:53] When they pitted, you're saying, and how long he went?

Speaker 4:
[33:56] 60 some laps? Nobody could go 60 laps. How do you, tires will, there'll be no air left in the tires because you can't go that long on tires. But they just left them out there and said, all right, well, we'll run 60 laps. That's just not putting him in a position to succeed or at least do anything but cause trouble. So I don't put it on Cody that the tire blew. Like he's clearly limping around the last few laps. You can see he slowed his corner speeds down. He did. But where's the team saying, bring it to pit road. We got an issue. You just got in the wall. We got an issue. Let's come check it out. There's nothing that he will not gain. He will not lose anything. So why not just come down, check the thing out and don't, you know, because what happens is you, you risk, and especially for a low budget team like that, they can't afford to be tearing up equipment. So fortunately for them, they just self spun, no damage. But that thing could have easily, since he blew a right rear, backed it in the wall. Well, now you got a clip and you're spending a bunch of money because you didn't want to put, you know, a couple thousand dollar set of tires on it. I just, that's on the team. That's on the crew chief to like look out for your guy. You know, you can't run 60 laps. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1:
[35:24] You get an allotment of tires at the start of the race, right?

Speaker 4:
[35:27] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[35:28] And you have to pay for those regardless of if they're used or not. So it doesn't even matter if he comes down and puts on a fresh set because they already paid for it.

Speaker 4:
[35:38] That's a great point. You know, I was thinking in my head, well, maybe they didn't buy the full. I think you have to buy like, this could be wrong.

Speaker 5:
[35:46] We discussed this a couple years ago.

Speaker 4:
[35:47] You can buy 90% of the allotment or something, like they force you to buy them. And I think if they're not used, do you turn them back in? I don't think you get a credit. I'm not sure, but what are we talking about here? All day there were tire issues after lap 40, which by the way, there are no tire issues. Kansas' Goodyear tire, shout out Goodyear, is maybe the best tire in racing. It goes the perfect amount of time and whatever the balance of your car is, that's the tire you're gonna have issues with. If you're loose, your right rear is gonna cord first. If you're tight, the right front's gonna cord first. Like it's, I said right rear first, right? Yeah, it's just the perfect tire that goes the perfect distance and it rewards you if you're easy on them and you pay a penalty when they're not. It is the absolute perfect tire. I'd love to see, if we go to, we are testing at Chicagoland this week, tomorrow, hopefully we run that Kansas tire. That would be awesome because it is, that is such a good tire, such a good tire. And Goodyear just doesn't panic. I love it. They're like, yeah, over the course of 50 laps, you'll start to cord. Perfect, great job.

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Speaker 1:
[37:49] So then what do you make of the complaints about the mile and a half racing with this next gen car lately? That it's just not what it used to be.

Speaker 4:
[37:57] We went, what, 80 laps that final run? No, how many, how many, was it a hundred laps?

Speaker 1:
[38:03] It was about a hundred, wasn't it? Last stage?

Speaker 4:
[38:05] You might be about right. 90, 100.

Speaker 1:
[38:08] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[38:08] Think about that. And it still came down. There were two lead changes inside the last five to six laps. What, what are we talking about?

Speaker 5:
[38:16] Well, I think the...

Speaker 4:
[38:17] What are you complaining about?

Speaker 5:
[38:18] The complaint is for 95% of the race, it's just the same people up front. And then, yeah, at the end, when you short pitted and you had, then Redick had issues, there was some drama. But like for most of the race, it's just like, OK, this is the race.

Speaker 4:
[38:34] Dominant cars and drivers win and they dominate sometimes. And I, do you want, this goes back, stop flip-flopping. Do you want stars? Well, stars dominate. That's why they're stars. Do you want parody where whoever gets out front in clean air wins the race? No, we don't like that. We don't like anything then. I'm not really sure. It came down to 90 laps of green flag running at the end. And there was two lead changes in the last five laps. That's hard to do. And it was going to be rather exciting. You know, I guess it finished exciting anyway, but still came down to the, you know, two cars battling for the win on a 90 lap run around a mile and a half track.

Speaker 1:
[39:29] That's the two lead changes being you getting past and then you re-passing Reddick. I think the only complaint that I could see is that it seemed like for a majority of the day, just whoever got the clean air was the best car. You know, through stage three, through stage one, I would have said you were the best car. But then through stage two, it's like, oh, well maybe Denny's not the best car and Larsen's now the best car. That's the only, and then stage three, there were a couple, and you're like, oh, is Bell got the best car? Does Reddick actually have the best car? Well, you had to short pit to like regain all that track position, even give yourself a chance to win.

Speaker 4:
[40:10] I mean, the cars are closed, Jared. I don't know what to say. The top 10 cars are probably separate, well, not really. Probably the top five cars are separated by 10th. So of course, whoever's out front is gonna have an advantage, but these cars do have enough drag on them down the straightaway to where the second place guy does get a pretty good draft down the straightaways to always keep you close. So I don't know. I think maybe it's just Redick fatigue. I'm not sure, but it's easy for me to say, right? Because this year, if Redick's not winning, I've got my win and Toyota's kicking butt right now, and fans don't love that for whatever reason. I don't know. Grumpy old men.

Speaker 5:
[41:07] Another thing that some people brought up, and I think it was a lot of Denny fans on Twitter, but with the Kodiware caution, do we need overtime?

Speaker 4:
[41:18] Boy, I mean, for God sakes, if there's one person that doesn't like them, it's me. I don't know. We did it for the sake of entertainment decades ago, feels like. I don't know. I think it's part of our sport now. It's tough to.

Speaker 5:
[41:40] Toothpaste out of the tube.

Speaker 4:
[41:41] Yes, tough to go back on that one. But it's, you know, I'd have a hell of a lot more wins and definitely a championship or so.

Speaker 1:
[41:52] Yeah, I think my only question with it is it does it, is it just hamper legitimacy a little more each time?

Speaker 4:
[42:04] Well, I mean, yes is the short answer because this is a 400-mile race. Oh, no, it's a 406-mile race. We're going to change it up because, you know what I mean? So if there's an advertised distance, then there's an actual distance. Yeah, Nashville went 20 laps over until eventually everyone ran out of fuel with Joey Lugano. You know what I mean? So I don't know, but it's what it is. I try to figure out how to take solace in it, but it's like, well, everyone knew that we were fast. Well, I guess that's great. We score a lot of points, and that's cool, but it's the wins that matter to me. It's like putting another trophy on that table out there by the front door.

Speaker 1:
[43:04] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[43:04] It's really getting on my nerves that we're not doing it.

Speaker 1:
[43:09] I just find myself texting friends during that race at the end of it. It's just like, I'd say it's so NASCAR that we go an entire two and a half hour race without a single proper caution. The only caution is before the leader gets to 10 yards from the white flag. These guys, the Denny bros, are freaking out with 100 laps to go. How are we going to pass Bell again? How are we going to pass Bell again? It's like, relax, guys. There's going to be a caution with five laps and none of the prior 250 laps matter.

Speaker 4:
[43:39] You're right. You are right. Again, there's learning opportunities. I think of all the things that kept us from winning the race. I can identify at least a few that I'm responsible for, that I've got to get better at.

Speaker 1:
[44:05] What are those?

Speaker 4:
[44:07] I talked about them earlier. Doing a better job protecting and things of that nature. And watching right before we get to the restart zone. Okay, what's the plan here? What's he doing? Okay, now I'm three wide. How can I at least get to the top as soon as possible? There's definitely some learning moments that even for someone that's been doing it for 21 years, this is one that I've always said, well, the end of races, there's certain circumstances and everyone's a little different, but I am putting it in tattoo that from now on, and I won't say exactly what it is, I'm going to do something different from now on when it comes down to a green and white checkered.

Speaker 1:
[45:00] At any track or specifically these mile and a half?

Speaker 4:
[45:02] Mile and a half, mile and a half, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[45:04] I'm saying any track. Travis, listen, any track.

Speaker 1:
[45:08] And Kansas is unique, right? Because it's a white line and not a yellow line. So, like Kyle or whoever is behind you is allowed to go down there under that, right?

Speaker 4:
[45:18] No, it's all the same. It's all the same. He can't go to the apron until after we pass to start finishing. That's when you can break off and go kind of wherever you want.

Speaker 1:
[45:30] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[45:30] If it makes you feel any better, adding that trophy to the table really wouldn't have done much. That trip sucks.

Speaker 4:
[45:37] I saw people ask what it is. I think it's supposed to represent a tornado.

Speaker 1:
[45:41] No, it's not. It's not. I don't know what it is, but it's not that. We've talked about it in Victory Lane before. It's like a spike of some sort. I don't think it's a tornado.

Speaker 4:
[45:50] I think it is a tornado.

Speaker 1:
[45:53] You love ChatGBT. Let's ask ChatGBT.

Speaker 4:
[45:55] No, I love Jim and I. I'm a Jim and I guy.

Speaker 1:
[45:57] No, I'm not.

Speaker 4:
[45:59] I asked Chat and Jim and I the same questions, and Jim and I, I prefer their answers 90% of the time.

Speaker 5:
[46:09] The primary trophy for Kansas Speedway, a unique.

Speaker 1:
[46:13] Connection to American culture.

Speaker 5:
[46:14] Soaring trophy. Representing the Trek's turns in the team's hard work. Supposedly what?

Speaker 1:
[46:25] I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[46:26] Yeah, it's one of my favorites. So I'm not gonna say anything negative about Kansas. Yeah, it probably could use a trophy upgrade, but whatever, what's next? Let's move on.

Speaker 1:
[46:47] Another big loser in that restart, Christopher Bell, went from having a pretty great day to finishing 20th.

Speaker 4:
[46:53] Yeah. Yeah, I texted him after the race and it's like, what happened on the backstretch? He's like, I got plowed into, I couldn't believe that thing broke his toe link and then his toe link. It seemed like relatively minor contact. I mean, all things considered, but I wonder if it happened from the Reddit contact or when we got, cause we hit pretty hard door to door or wheel to wheel. So I wondered if it happened then or not, but I couldn't figure out, I was like, damn, Chris, I was in the down on the apron, entering turn three. And so my angle was god awful horrible. And then that's when the 45 gets back around me. God dang it, man. I just, any one of these things didn't happen.

Speaker 1:
[47:53] You're a, your business partner is one hell of a competitor.

Speaker 4:
[47:57] What you mean?

Speaker 1:
[47:59] And just like coming up to you post race, he's, you're just, you know, heartbroken that this went this way. Clearly not all that thrilled that your team won because you lost and he's just all smiles, you know? Well, you've seen the clip. You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4:
[48:18] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:19] You were there.

Speaker 4:
[48:22] Yeah. I mean, I don't expect him to understand where I'm at in that moment, right? Every other redic win, I've been, you know, split happy, sad, happy, sad, you know, just kind of depends on how my day went. But that one, I was full 100% my way on this one. You know what I mean? Like the emotions were all on team 11 on that one for sure.

Speaker 1:
[48:52] And surely y'all were talking some trash leading into Sunday after Saturday.

Speaker 4:
[48:59] Yeah, I told him, you know, Friday, Saturday, same thing I said on this podcast. If something weird doesn't happen, it's a guaranteed win. Kansas is a guaranteed win as long as nothing weird happens.

Speaker 1:
[49:15] What does he say to that?

Speaker 4:
[49:20] He says, I believe, he says, I believe you, for one. But we were talking Saturday night and Blaney came over. Bubba came over, Riley. And we were watching the O'Reilly series, watching some NBA playoffs and they're just talking about Redick or whatnot. And he's and Michael said, you know, yeah, I'm worried about the 11. I then he says he's going to win. And I just I'm worried about the 11. And I was like, I thought the 45 was quite a bit better than us in practice. But we're we're good at making overnight adjustments. Well, that's it. So he probably was very happy because I was trying. I was I was telling him all weekend that. You know, we were going to win. And so he felt he's very happy because of how much I talk to him. Actually, I know it's hard to believe, but I talk a lot of trash to him.

Speaker 1:
[50:21] Well, he said that he said in his front stretch interview, he said, we we talk, we talk some trash. We're going to talk some trash.

Speaker 4:
[50:26] Yeah. So, yeah, he he probably wants to beat me as much as anyone. Now, he roots for me when the 2311 cars, you know, but. Yeah, when it's head to head, he wants to see the 2311 drivers beat me because, you know, because I talked that trash.

Speaker 5:
[50:49] Is Sunday the best day in 2311 racing history? Four cars, top 15 winner.

Speaker 4:
[51:00] We don't celebrate top 15. What are you talking about? Now, if it was like one, two finish, yeah, that's a great, you know, team day. But, I mean, let me not understate that they all ran very well, right? I think this race last year was like 30th, maybe. He is competitive, running in the top 15ish all day. Corey, I mean, poor Corey had a day on pit road, lost a lot of spots, but we had so many injuries on our primary cars that we had to take a lot of guys from the 67 pit crew and put them on our primary teams throughout the year. So that team was kind of meshed together with some developmental guys, some that, you know, I think came, you know, we're just sitting on the sidelines at JGR. So we, I knew it was going to be a tough day on pit road for him. He kind of drew the short straw on that one, but Denny go all the way the top 10 in stage one.

Speaker 5:
[52:17] Yeah, he got stage points in one of the started 24th.

Speaker 4:
[52:21] I'll tell you, the most impressive thing was when he held it wide open through turns one and two as the first car out in qualifying, that was, that took cojones.

Speaker 5:
[52:34] Tenth in stage one.

Speaker 4:
[52:36] Yeah. I mean, I think he just kept getting reset by, you know, when they came to pit road. I don't know that for sure. I need to look at the times. But I know that Rod, his agent, was like, yeah, they lost a ton of spots on pit road. I said, well, that was to be expected. They just, yeah, we just have, we had some injuries that definitely hurt us.

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Speaker 1:
[53:33] Well, Tyler Reddick gets his fifth win of the season and he now has a winning record through the first nine races of the season.

Speaker 4:
[53:40] Yeah. I feel like he hasn't really led that many laps. 199, I thought I saw 199. It could be five wins with 199 laps lead. If that's real, that's incredible. Who's got the fastest computer? Oh, these boys are going fingers. It feels like it hasn't been a ton of laps lead. I guess Coda.

Speaker 5:
[54:14] 189, according to 80.

Speaker 1:
[54:16] Who got there first? Trav?

Speaker 5:
[54:17] We'll call it a tie.

Speaker 4:
[54:19] 185 wins, 180 laps lead.

Speaker 5:
[54:21] 189.

Speaker 4:
[54:25] Where am I? No.

Speaker 1:
[54:27] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[54:28] Jared, get Denny's laps lead.

Speaker 1:
[54:30] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[54:32] Pain.

Speaker 1:
[54:35] But that's this sport. It doesn't really matter all that much. Denny Hamlin leads the Nascar Cup Series in 2026 with 444 laps lead.

Speaker 4:
[54:48] Feels like more than that. It does feel like more. All right. Yeah, it's an incredible start. I mean, an absolutely incredible start. And he's doing it by executing. He's doing it by late race heroics. They're winning in all kinds of different ways. Now, let's be honest, too, that the last run, he ran me down. He passed me. Now, he had issues. He said he was out of fuel, but they said that didn't make sense. He shouldn't be low on fuel. So I'm not sure what was going on. But then again, with two laps ago, I saw him get into the wall. I was like, wow, it's wild. But he said, I guess he said post-race, he just got distracted. Two laps ago, that's really hard. It's hard to get distracted two laps ago. But without him making that mistake, they probably win the race anyway, maybe. But I'm telling you, I had a little bit left that I was going to make. I was going to make him earn at those last two laps. Even when he passed me, it was like, y'all probably thought, that's over, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no. I'll get in the wall. I'll wreck if I have to, to give it one last go, like one last ounce. And I mean, I was coming off the corner sideways, those last 15 laps or so. And then once he passed me, I just started shipping it more and more. And I mean, I was dead ass sideways, but like I was putting the pressure back on him quite a bit. And so they're just, they're executing well, right? I mean, you don't have a 5.0 average finish without, even when he didn't, doesn't win, he's not had any bad finishes. So you would think law of averages, eventually that catches up a little bit, but we're going to a super speedway this weekend where Tyler Reddick was the number one point score on super speedways last year. So I just, it's incredibly proud of that team and how they're executing his race craft, finding ways to stay in the game when it appears that they're out of it. Darlington was a great example of that. Battling back, driving through the field. They're the best overall team right now. And that's just not looking at the scorecard. That's just kind of all encompassing.

Speaker 5:
[57:32] Apparently, last week, we said Blaney was. Quick change.

Speaker 4:
[57:35] That was odd. But I knew it in practice. I was behind Austin Cendrick and Joey Logano. Yeah, because we're on pit road by points. And so organizational points, so whoever is your highest in points, all the group, all your other team cars get to, you know, you're on pit road together when you go out for practice. So I'm behind all the Penske cars. And I'm telling you, from a straight away back, I felt like I passed them in three laps. And I was like, holy s*** boys, you got one more gear. You got to shift it to fourth. I couldn't believe how slow they were. But it was a company thing. It wasn't, they were just off. And so, I mean, did Lugano finish 30th again?

Speaker 1:
[58:33] They were all laps down, except for Cindrick. Cindrick had a respectable finish.

Speaker 4:
[58:36] Hang on the sheet that Travis wrote me.

Speaker 5:
[58:38] Well, I only go to top 20. He finished 30th, two laps down.

Speaker 4:
[58:43] Yeah, they missed it as a team and it started on Saturday. So it was wild to see. Trackhouse.

Speaker 1:
[58:52] Something's got to be going on with Chevy, right? They just...

Speaker 4:
[58:56] Yeah, that's something.

Speaker 1:
[58:57] They don't look amazing across the board when the Hendrick cars are running at the back half of the top 10.

Speaker 4:
[59:02] Well, Byron's been the biggest surprise to me of like, where's Byron? You know what I mean? It's been kind of a... It's just been a quiet year for Byron, right?

Speaker 1:
[59:16] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[59:16] Just haven't spoke on him that much. But I mean, he's getting decent finishes, but just not... Definitely not wowing you. And yeah, which is so surprising to me when it comes to the, like the Chevrolet struggles, because it's not like they went through a complete body. Like, I'm telling you, we see the numbers and it's like, not that big of a difference. Trust me on this. This change is very small. So I just, it's wild that it's, that they have these struggles, but clearly it's real. So, I mean, the Trackhouse cars were quite a bit better on mile and a half to end last year. I think SVG, wasn't he starting to, you know, finish in the top 15 pretty much every mile and a half. And, you know, through the off season, it's, you know, making your stuff worse. I don't know, they have enough resources over there at Trackhouse that they'll get it figured out. It's just, you know, it's a matter of how much time it takes, you know, because, you know, even as tough as the year has gone for like Chastain, he's not way out of the cut line to get in the playoffs. So, and he's a good enough grinder to, like, to carry the team to, like, a little better finishes than probably what they had on speed.

Speaker 5:
[60:43] Yeah, but grinding to make the playoffs should not be rare.

Speaker 4:
[60:46] No, I get that. But I'm saying you grind until you get your stuff better. That's what he's going to be really good at.

Speaker 5:
[60:53] Do you think part of this was, Trackhouse first came in to play with the next gen. So everyone was on that level playing field. And they've kind of just plateaued with where they can go with, unless they get an influx of resources and no idea.

Speaker 4:
[61:12] No idea. I'm just not really educated enough on it. But there's always ebbs and flows of teams. But usually you don't see it go this drastically to one way. And especially like the one Haas team, I think outran all of their cars. Ricky outran all of their cars and their Chevrolets.

Speaker 1:
[61:41] So it's really amazing that, you know, the NASCAR schedule goes from February to November. Y'all take one, two months off and you come back and it's like a completely different picture for some teams and some drivers. It's like what possibly has changed in two months time in December and January that now everything's different. You know, Ross Chastain was 10th in points last year Playoff car. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[62:14] I don't know either. Just gotta wait it out.

Speaker 1:
[62:17] The RFK team looks strong. They look like they're challenging for the top overall Ford team.

Speaker 4:
[62:25] Yeah, if you average it all out, yep. Yeah, I think they, I think all they're in drivers are incredibly close week in, week out. I don't think that that's like, you know, a hot take or anything like that, but I think they're all close in speed. They're all close in performance. And they all are right there in the back half of the top 10 every week, right? And so I think they do a really, really good job of not having the big off weeks. Like I just never really see the RFK cars like 21st, 24th, 28th. You know what I mean? You just don't see it. Like they're off weeks. They're in the teens. And then they're par weeks or back half of the top 10. That's kind of where they're at. And if races fall a certain way, they can find themselves challenging in the top five. You know, Brad and those guys qualified well and ran up front at Darlington. So they're doing a very good job. Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[63:32] What else we got from the Cup race here? Nothing Cup, but anything else you lose sleep over?

Speaker 4:
[63:39] Just that stuff.

Speaker 5:
[63:40] Talladega stage?

Speaker 4:
[63:43] I don't know what that really changed. I appreciate the Nascar trying to do something different to shake it up, to shake up the fuel mileage stuff. I still think we're going to be doing it, but I don't know, we'll see. We'll see how it goes. I hopefully it's not. I much prefer a wide open race. I think the fans would, everyone's gonna, would appreciate that. Even the drivers would appreciate more of a wide open race. Good news is, well, that last stage, you're in a fuel window, but we're always wide open after the last pit stop. So I don't think that that changes that much. I don't know, we'll see. We'll see how this thing plays out. All it takes is a couple cars in the pack to say, screw this, I'm not saving fuel, and it will force everyone to not save fuel. Everyone's gonna save fuel. It's just, to what degree? I don't think what anyone wants is us to run three by three by three by three running half throttle. That's just not great.

Speaker 1:
[64:48] Yeah, I mean, I guess you have to save fuel a little bit, right? Because you're trying to lessen your time on pit road, and the more fuel you hang on to, the less you gotta put in it.

Speaker 4:
[64:59] That's right.

Speaker 1:
[65:01] But yeah, stage lengths for that race. First stage will be 98 laps, second stage 45 laps, and then the final stage will conclude 45 laps later on lap 188, and blah, blah, blah, points pain, yada, yada, yada. 60, 120, 128. Oh, that was the last. Never mind. You want to move on to the Xfinity race?

Speaker 4:
[65:23] Sure. Taylor Gray wins. I can't figure out that Taylor or that 50-14. There'll be some weeks where it's just they're running in the like 10th. And that's all they got. And then they'll magically have the blue. It's like, here they are. They're really fast and they win the race. And so second win of his career, right? Did he win Atlanta earlier this year?

Speaker 5:
[65:53] Sounds right.

Speaker 4:
[65:53] Yeah. I think that JGR cars as a whole have stepped up in the off season in O'Reilly's. Like, the JRM car has dominated for the last couple of years. Speed wise, you know, just this is my eyeball test. I don't have any data to prove that. But it seems like the JGR cars certainly feel faster to me this year when I'm watching races. Brandon Jones was the class of the field, which actually should be no surprise. Kansas is maybe one of its best statistical racetracks, but he had that loose tire penalty. That was a killer. He had lost the lead before that, but still. I thought it was exciting. It played out a lot like the cup race where second and third were kind of catching the leader. And was Sheldon Krieg gonna get there or not? But ultimately Taylor had enough to hang on. Great win.

Speaker 1:
[67:00] Carson Quapple goes over and over and over. It wasn't a flip though, right Travis?

Speaker 5:
[67:05] Yeah. No, it was barrel rolls.

Speaker 1:
[67:07] Travis says not a flip.

Speaker 4:
[67:08] What do you think a flip is?

Speaker 5:
[67:09] A flip is head over a barrel. It was more because I didn't see the video and in the text I said, what happened? And Charlie goes, clearly he flipped. And so to counter his smartass response, I'm like, well, actually he didn't flip. It was a barrel roll. I don't know if we want to get technical, Charlie.

Speaker 4:
[67:31] I don't know if I'd agree with that. If the downside is up and the upside is down, that's flipped.

Speaker 5:
[67:36] No, no, no.

Speaker 4:
[67:38] I know what you're saying. You're saying in order to be a flip, it has to be nose over tail?

Speaker 5:
[67:44] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:45] Oh, Jesus.

Speaker 1:
[67:46] I was just trying to point out another bad Travis take. I wasn't expecting you guys to argue over it.

Speaker 4:
[67:52] I'm not gonna give it that much energy, but I disagree. I think a flip is when the wheels are up and the roof is down. That's what I consider a flip. But that's tomato, tomato. Yeah. We're splitting hairs.

Speaker 1:
[68:09] Yeah. But that's what Carson Quapple did.

Speaker 4:
[68:12] Yeah. That was wild. Right off the bat, it was William that got him right off turn two. And then it's just, you get into the wall, your car's light, cause he's at a faster portion of the racetrack. His car's light and all it takes that one hit to the side, that gets that thing up in the air. And then the bottom side of that body of the car, it just becomes like a, it's just a billboard. Like take this piece of paper and hold it outside your car window when you're going 45 miles an hour. I think just, you know, it's a big, big parachute.

Speaker 5:
[68:43] Clotty's okay, but also hated it for Parker Ratzloff, because everyone's been talking about him and wanted to see what he could do. In his days, there's nothing he could have done to avoid that.

Speaker 1:
[68:51] We were talking about him. Denny was hyped. We hyped him up last week.

Speaker 5:
[68:54] That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4:
[68:55] I'll be his hype boy.

Speaker 1:
[68:56] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[68:58] He's getting it done. What else?

Speaker 1:
[69:04] I don't know what else you do in Kansas. You catch any fish?

Speaker 4:
[69:08] Yeah, I went out to the Bass Pro shops there. They had a little pond right outside the back there. So I caught some fish really until the 19 team got there. Then the fish started getting bombed from every direction. They just stopped biting.

Speaker 5:
[69:24] Is this like a Celine Dion pond? Or like you have to earn these fish?

Speaker 4:
[69:29] No, I mean, we didn't catch them like Celine's pond. Because again, this pond gets seen lots of lures on the weekends. But I caught three, Charlie got a couple, as in two. And then I think one of the 19 guys caught actually a pretty decent size one. But yeah, it's not the Celine pond. I mean, Celine ponds just need a net to scoop them out.

Speaker 1:
[69:58] Did you back that boat away from the tree so Charlie fell in?

Speaker 5:
[70:02] No. I wish we had the full video.

Speaker 4:
[70:04] Gosh, you don't understand how quick I was grabbing my phone, like to get the content that we actually got. But to get the story, and I told this to whoever would listen this weekend because it was so funny and they wanted to know what happened. So I drive the nose of the boat, he gets his lure stuck. So the hook is on the main part of the tree. So I said, Charlie, I can only, because of the trolling motor, I can only go in there so deep. So I get in there to where he reaches the main branch, the big one that he's hanging from, okay? He's got one hand there trying to get the lure off. He's holding another side branch, little smaller, with his other hand trying to hold himself. Well, now all the weight goes to the smaller branch because that he's using the left to try to get it unhooked. It breaks. So he's hanging on, it breaks. Oh, he's now grabbed on to the big one as you saw him holding. Well, now he's got two feet, tippy toe on the edge of the boat. Well, what happens when you're leaned and your feet are pushing it? He pushes the boat away. And so at that point, he goes in there and he's just hanging there. He said, come get me, get me, get me. And I said, hang on, hang on. Let me I got to get this. I got to get this. And he's like, get the boat back over here. So I just he hung there for a minute. It was well worth the content that I got. And now he's in like three feet of water. I'm like, Charlie, just put your feet down, put your feet down. He's like, I can't, I got my phone on my pocket. So he was convinced that I trolled away, but I did not. I can put my hand on Bible and that. I did not. He pushed himself off the boat, and then I just got the content of watching it. It was all I have to do is look at the thumbnail. I don't even have to watch the video, and I just start laughing.

Speaker 1:
[72:14] The last thing I'll point out in that post-race interaction, MJ did kiss you on the back of the head.

Speaker 4:
[72:19] Oh, I bet. I bet he was so happy.

Speaker 1:
[72:22] Chicago Bulls, Tar Heels.

Speaker 4:
[72:27] Maybe it's my time. We're just being impatient right now. You know what I mean? We're living in the moment, not the journey. Right, Trav? Sometimes you can't go 12-0.

Speaker 5:
[72:40] I'd like to.

Speaker 4:
[72:41] I know you like to, but sometimes you always get that.

Speaker 5:
[72:44] That sports bird will be a fan of.

Speaker 4:
[72:46] I get it, because it's like you don't get, you don't, you put up 45 points, you expect to keep that, right?

Speaker 5:
[72:55] Yeah. It's the hardest sport, I think, to be a fan of.

Speaker 1:
[73:01] But also you're going to go watch and be just as into it next Sunday.

Speaker 5:
[73:06] Oh, 100 percent.

Speaker 1:
[73:07] It's crazy.

Speaker 5:
[73:08] Until Denny retires.

Speaker 4:
[73:12] Sixty more ish.

Speaker 1:
[73:15] I got a review here from Pogel. Pogel. As a lifelong Jeff Gordon fan and Hendrick fan, I found myself more and more over the last two plus years following and taking interest in the 11 and 2311 drivers each week. This show and Denny's insight in the sport got all the credit, just might change my tune, go with it all. You're turning over a Jeff Gordon Hendrick fan into an 11 and 2311 fan.

Speaker 4:
[73:45] Well, Jeff hasn't run in like 10 years. So yeah, we'll take that transition over to the dark side, no doubt. I mean, it was easy to be a Jeff Gordon and Hendrick fan, right? It feels like they didn't go through this kind of stuff.

Speaker 5:
[74:03] We have to start with our head.

Speaker 1:
[74:05] Who's the toughest driver to be a fan of nowadays?

Speaker 5:
[74:08] Jesus. He's already mad at us, don't do it.

Speaker 1:
[74:16] You or Kyle Busch?

Speaker 4:
[74:20] I mean, the Kyle Busch fans are going through it right now. And that's for sure. I was as gentle as I felt like I should have been. No, y'all are gonna just keep...

Speaker 1:
[74:37] I thought it was fair. And also all the people that I listened to thought it was fair as well. Shout out Kyle Petty, he agreed with you. That's rare.

Speaker 4:
[74:46] Oh, he did?

Speaker 1:
[74:46] Yeah, he did.

Speaker 4:
[74:49] I don't know, it's tough. I mean, where did he finish this weekend?

Speaker 1:
[74:54] Don't worry about it, let's not talk about it.

Speaker 4:
[74:57] Okay, fair enough. I knew they didn't have a good day because I saw them a lot. I don't know, they're just trying to figure it out. 35th. Damn, damn, son of a gun, yeah, there's not much you can say there. It's just, I'm rooting for them. Let's go eat.

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