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Speaker 1:
[00:10] This is Armed American Radio.

Speaker 2:
[00:13] If they want to take my guns, they're gonna have to bring a station wagon and a whole lot of friends because I'm not giving them anything.

Speaker 1:
[00:18] From the Car Firearms Group Studio at the Patriot Mobile Communication Center on the CZ Platinum Microphone. Here is your host, the loudest conservative voice in America fighting the enemies of freedom, Mark Walters.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] You're welcome inside the Car Firearms Group Studios with me, Mark Walters, filling your prescription for freedom. Today and every day on hundreds of radio stations around the nation in the Car Firearms Group Studios in front of this very powerful CZ microphone, we've relocated the Patriot Mobile Communication Command Center, and you can visit all of our great partners at armedamericanradio.com or.org. We've got you covered because we love you. So here from the floor sitting across from me are our fan favorites, man. Attorneys on Retainer, we've got attorney Howard Snader with us from Attorneys on Retainer. Howard, how are you?

Speaker 3:
[01:06] I'm doing great, Mark. Thank you for having me on board today.

Speaker 2:
[01:08] The honor is mine, the privilege is mine, the pleasure is mine. It's fun to be able to sit and talk with you face to face. I've been saying that's all of my guess. It's great.

Speaker 3:
[01:14] I love talking about the losses.

Speaker 2:
[01:16] Well, and you know, I say fan favorite for a reason, because people who've made a decision to carry a firearm always come with questions.

Speaker 1:
[01:24] Oh, no doubt.

Speaker 2:
[01:25] What do I do if I have to use a firearm? And you may know my story, you may not. This is the first time you've been on the program. Well, this will not be the last, I can promise you that. But back in 2002, I had to pull my firearm on two individuals. What was it? Attempted carjacking. The mere presence of my gun stopped that activity against me, and I went home that day. My two-week-old daughter has her father. My son would be born a year and a half later, and my wife was not a young widow.

Speaker 3:
[01:50] And that could have gone sideways so many ways.

Speaker 2:
[01:53] That could have gone south so fast because it unfolded within a split second at a traffic light in the early morning, 6:20 AM, roughly November 18th, 2002.

Speaker 3:
[02:03] Never going to forget that day, are you?

Speaker 2:
[02:04] Never forget it. And I'll remember because I was at the Buccaneer game, Sunday the night before, it was a mile. Never forget it. Look up the dates, ladies and gentlemen, back in 2002. Wrote about it. It's the first chapter in my book, Lessons from Armed America. So, at that time, I had not yet made the decision, Howard, to carry my firearm everywhere I went. And I've been asked countless times, and I've talked about it on the air countless times, what made me carry my gun that day? I don't know. I just happened to carry my gun that day. I'm glad I did. In 45 seconds, 20 minutes after I left the house, 15 minutes after I left the house, everything would change. I've never left the home without my firearm ever again since then. But, like everybody that carries a gun, I think about the what ifs.

Speaker 3:
[02:47] You have to.

Speaker 2:
[02:48] Okay, so let's start there. Isn't that what you recommend, people who carry a gun, think that way? Or do we think ourselves into trouble?

Speaker 3:
[02:57] This might sound really off base, but I'm new to the firearms carrying group of people. World.

Speaker 2:
[03:06] We'll call it a world.

Speaker 3:
[03:07] With me, it was after the Aurora shooting. And I didn't want to be that guy stuck unable to defend myself, my family, maybe other people that were around me. So I did. I got my gun. And even though I'm a lawyer, even though I know the laws, I knew that what if scenario could happen. And I knew I needed that coverage because I know what I charge people to defend them in this bad situation. And it's a no-brainer to have some type of coverage and have coverage by a group of attorneys that only dedicate themselves to self-defense is amazing.

Speaker 2:
[03:42] I use that phrase on the show all the time. Excuse me, but it is no-brainer. Absolutely 100% no-brainer. And let me put it this way. Guys, if you carry, you hear me say this all the time. If you, and if you're, you know, we're not on video here at the NRA convention, but I usually hold up Howard, my Attorneys on Retainer card in front of the camera. Because that's the equivalent of my carrying you physically in my back pocket. And you're too heavy for me to do that. I don't want to do that all day. I don't want to strap you over my shoulder. It's uncomfortable for you too.

Speaker 3:
[04:12] No, but you got that phone number handy and got it over there.

Speaker 2:
[04:14] But it's right there.

Speaker 3:
[04:14] If something happens, you can give us a call.

Speaker 2:
[04:16] And Lauren gave me my card because I left it on my computer where I always show it on camera. So she gave me another card yesterday. So I always have one with me. All right. But that card is life changing because it is the equivalent of having you in my pocket. You're with me 24-7. And in the event that I need to pull a firearm, like I did that day back in 02, the first call I'm going to make after is going to be to you.

Speaker 3:
[04:40] Look, when you start running the what ifs through your brain, okay, you're a new gun, especially new gun owners. You want to know what is it like holding the weapon? What is it like going to the range? What is it like firing the firearm? One of the other things you need in your gun bag is some type of insurance type coverage and you don't want the insurance companies doing it. You want a law firm doing it.

Speaker 2:
[05:00] Too many exclusions. I want a lawyer.

Speaker 3:
[05:02] We're going to cover, if it's self-defense, reasonably acted upon self-defense, we've got your back. It doesn't have to be a firearm, many of our cases are, but it can be even a fist fight. If you act in self-defense, you got the coverage.

Speaker 2:
[05:15] If I get knocked down and there's a brick laying next to me and somebody's coming on to MMA me out, I can hit them upside the head with a brick and you're going to defend me in a self-defense case.

Speaker 3:
[05:22] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[05:23] Okay. Guys, that's something that you need to know. This is not just about a gun in your holster. This is about any type of self-defense case, regardless of what you have to use, has you covered? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 3:
[05:36] No, you're absolutely right, but visualizing the what ifs has to take place. You're going to visualize shooting a target, you got to visualize what's going to happen afterwards. The adrenaline rush, the nerves, your hand shaking, you don't know what to do, you may have to render assistance to the person, you just harmed. You got all this running through your head. If you haven't thought that out ahead of time, you're going to be behind the eight ball. So think about the what ifs and know that at least one of these can be an accessory that you carry in your gun bag, and that's just our business card and you can give us a call.

Speaker 2:
[06:11] Yeah, and what's always interesting to me and every time I talk with you guys, it fascinates me because I learn something new every single time. Over all of these years, whenever I talk to an attorney, something else comes up that I never really thought about before. In my case, the adrenaline rush by the time I got back to my office that day, ten minutes later was a splitting headache. I mean, my head was in half. It hurt so bad. I'll never forget it. I left my office that day at noon because I could not concentrate the rest of the day. I went to a local gun shop, now out of business in Tampa, Florida. Guy was a real jerk, so I'm glad they're out of business. Guy was way too expensive, but I bought my wife a revolver to put in her car that day on my way home. My wife and family are card-carrying members of attorneys on retainer as well. You mentioned the insurance, too many insurance. There's some good programs out there, but they're insurance programs and they come with a lot of exclusions and we've seen in real life what happens when they drop you and refuse to cover you. We've seen those cases. You guys are my lawyer.

Speaker 3:
[07:10] Absolutely. And you need to understand, prior to becoming one of the lawyers and attorneys for Freedom, I was the hot panel attorney for a couple of those other companies. I would get the call. I had to deal with the insurance bean counter on the other side to convince them to do coverage on a couple of the cases. With us, as long as you acted reasonably, you're covered. There's no question asked. So, yeah, you're in a good place.

Speaker 2:
[07:36] So you mean if I'm charged with a crime, my lawyer isn't going to quit?

Speaker 3:
[07:41] If you're charged with a crime related to the self-defense shooting or self-defense action, I should say, you're going to be covered. And no, we're not quitting.

Speaker 2:
[07:49] And 37 bucks a month, ladies and gentlemen?

Speaker 3:
[07:52] It's a bargain.

Speaker 2:
[07:52] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[07:53] I mean, we had a gentleman just swing by the other day, he said, yeah, I got in trouble and I had to pay like three grand for a lawyer. I said, you realize that's eight years of coverage.

Speaker 2:
[08:01] Eight years of coverage. Well, let's put that in perspective. You know what, let me frame that the way I do, you'll get a kick out of this. 37 bucks, I tell liberals, you guys can get a calculator out. I'm not going to give you the number. You can figure it out on your own. But multiply 37 times 12. That's less than one hour you charge for annual coverage in a case.

Speaker 3:
[08:19] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[08:20] And this includes expert witnesses, this includes any forensic, it includes it all.

Speaker 3:
[08:25] There should, and I can't say, yes, it's everything, but in my experience at the law firm, it's literally everything. Every expert you would need, a team of lawyers, not one lawyer, but a team of lawyers.

Speaker 2:
[08:36] Up to four, and I always go back to, this is a dream team thing. Those are old enough, remember what I'm talking about, the OJ dream team. I've got my self-defense dream team, baby. One of them sitting right here, ladies and gentlemen.

Speaker 3:
[08:46] When Mark Victor and Andy Mercantile sought me out to join on board, he described how we come in as a team like that. I made the same reference. I said, it's like OJ's dream team.

Speaker 2:
[08:56] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[08:57] Because you're getting tried and true, experienced, board-certified specialists.

Speaker 2:
[09:02] For whatever it's worth, you're going to look old enough to remember OJ's dream team. I'm just telling you.

Speaker 3:
[09:06] I can quote those attorneys backwards and forwards.

Speaker 2:
[09:08] I bet you can. I still can't believe the outcome of that. That's a whole different show.

Speaker 3:
[09:14] But yeah, I mean, the what-ifs are what will eat you up at night. And your audience has already taken that first step, the what-if, and they became a gun owner. But you have to think about what happens on the next what-if. What happens if you actually have to use it in a self-defense situation? And you want to be covered. You want to have a team of people that iron out all the issues ahead of time?

Speaker 2:
[09:38] You know what I don't want? We're getting short on time, so I just want to throw this out real quick. What I don't want is to wake up and go, damn it, I didn't listen to him. Now I've got to mortgage my home. Because I've interviewed people who have been through investigations in cases like this that go on for over two years before they even know whether they're going to be charged with the crime. And I'm not entitled constitutionally to an attorney during an investigation, only if I've been charged with a crime. And you know what, I don't want a free attorney, no offense to free attorneys. I want you.

Speaker 3:
[10:08] You want a dedicated attorney that, in our case, only does self-defense. So you're in a good place. That's it.

Speaker 2:
[10:14] Put the card in your wallet, ladies and gentlemen. Put the card in your wallet so you have Howard in your back pocket with you. Just do it. You hear me say it all the time. It's real simple. Attorneysonretainer.us.aar. Take advantage of everything we offer. I'll tell you more about the promo codes throughout the show. Howard, thanks for being here, brother. I appreciate it so much.

Speaker 3:
[10:32] It's been my pleasure.

Speaker 2:
[10:33] Thank you very much. It's an honor to have you here. Guys, we'll be back. The following segment of Armed American Radio is proudly being brought to you by the National Rifle Association. Help us defend freedom by visiting nra.org/aar and join today. Welcome back to the show. Continuing Armed American Radio's monster cast here from the floor in Houston. Sitting in front of me, and I love this because we've never met before.

Speaker 4:
[11:29] Nope.

Speaker 2:
[11:30] And Justin, who was on the program with us earlier, brought you over.

Speaker 4:
[11:35] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[11:36] And we're going to we're going to mic you up because it's fun to do.

Speaker 4:
[11:39] And we can. I love it. Let's do it.

Speaker 2:
[11:41] You're out of Chicago.

Speaker 4:
[11:42] Sure I am.

Speaker 2:
[11:43] You poor soul, you.

Speaker 4:
[11:44] I know.

Speaker 2:
[11:45] How do you do it every day?

Speaker 4:
[11:46] Do you know what it's like?

Speaker 2:
[11:47] Wait, hold on. Let me introduce you first. This is how you guys, this is going to be a fun conversation.

Speaker 4:
[11:51] We're going to have fun.

Speaker 2:
[11:52] I better introduce you first. And it's Gayle Pearlstein. And Never Again is Now. You're the Chief Operating Officer.

Speaker 4:
[11:58] And co-founder.

Speaker 2:
[12:00] Of?

Speaker 4:
[12:00] Lox and Loaded.

Speaker 2:
[12:02] And that's L-O-X, ladies and gentlemen. L-O-X. Tell us about it. I love it.

Speaker 4:
[12:07] Thank you. Lox started about a year ago. And it is a national shooting club for people of Jewish heritage and of course, their allies. After October 7th, me being an instructor from Chicago, I needed to do something. I didn't want to just send...

Speaker 2:
[12:27] You got the calling.

Speaker 4:
[12:28] I got the calling. I'm not okay. I'm not okay.

Speaker 2:
[12:32] Nor should you be.

Speaker 4:
[12:33] No, absolutely not. Nobody should be okay.

Speaker 2:
[12:35] Nobody should be okay. And I'm a huge supporter. So yeah, this is going to be fun. I'm going to tell you right now, I wish we had more time than we do, but that's okay.

Speaker 4:
[12:42] We'll talk again.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] We'll come over.

Speaker 4:
[12:44] I'll get you some deep dish. We'll talk.

Speaker 2:
[12:47] I actually have it sent to me from a place in a, from a pizza deal in Chicago that comes to me.

Speaker 4:
[12:53] I'll take care of it.

Speaker 2:
[12:54] I'd rather eat it there, but I just don't have the desire to go there. I'm sorry.

Speaker 4:
[12:59] I know. I'll bring it to you.

Speaker 2:
[13:00] But that's okay.

Speaker 4:
[13:01] I'll bring it to you. So I started Lox and Loaded about a year ago, and I needed to do something after October 7th. It was, it broke my heart. It's still breaking my heart. So I wanted to offer support and training to the Jewish community. So I teamed up with the Chicago Jewish Alliance, which is a boots on the ground grassroot organization. They do. They don't just take money. They do. And I started offering free basic pistol classes. And that was a hit. And then we went to the next step, because you know Illinois, you got two hours, two days, 16 hours for a concealing carry class.

Speaker 2:
[13:37] Look, I get that's good for business, but that's such an infringement on our rights. We'll go there.

Speaker 4:
[13:42] Yeah, we'll go there. So, I offered some Shomer Shabbos, which is no Friday and Saturday classes, to the community, and at a discounted rate, and the money went back to Chicago Jewish Alliance, and I realized, just because I see these people for two days, it's gun training. It doesn't just, it's not just a class. You need to be safe, and I needed a way to see my clients, and I needed a way to continue to train them, and continue to answer their questions, and make sure they're safe, and they know the laws, and they know what they can and cannot do. So I said, I don't have any money. I'm like, I Wayne Gretzky it, you know? You miss all the shots, you don't take. So I said, I said, what's the worst that can happen? I'm not, it's my money, I'll lose some money, but at least I tried. Well, it blew up. It went bang, in the good bang way.

Speaker 2:
[14:34] If I had known you, and you were to ask me my thoughts on that at the time, I would have told you it would have exploded.

Speaker 4:
[14:39] Exploded.

Speaker 2:
[14:40] Yeah, because it's not shocking to me at all. And one of my natural questions for you would be how normally, I would have already asked it, how has it been received in the community? I already know the answer to that. Because we are seeing that nationwide. But so not, we know that it's blowing up.

Speaker 4:
[14:55] Right.

Speaker 2:
[14:56] But in what way? I mean, obviously, let me rephrase that. I didn't articulate that right. I'm going to guess your classes are packed.

Speaker 4:
[15:07] We have most of our chapters, which is going to be real funny. I'll tell you, our biggest chapters are Chicago, Cleveland and my New York chapters. And the two of those are blue states. And that's where people are running towards the door. In Florida, Florida is actually, we have a lot of people. I have five chapters in Florida. And every day people are joining. They see it and it's a little hard. It's different for them.

Speaker 2:
[15:32] How long ago did you start this?

Speaker 4:
[15:34] 11 months.

Speaker 2:
[15:35] And you already have this chapters.

Speaker 4:
[15:37] Nine chapters.

Speaker 2:
[15:37] That is absolutely incredible. In fact, that, Gayle, I believe that's the fastest growth I've seen for any organization out of the box like that.

Speaker 4:
[15:48] Really?

Speaker 2:
[15:49] Yeah. And I'm talking some pretty big groups.

Speaker 4:
[15:51] Oh, I.

Speaker 2:
[15:53] That's phenomenal. Congratulations on that. Which is why, but I'm not surprised by that at all. That's why I didn't ask that question right out of the box. I just went into it.

Speaker 4:
[16:01] It's it's a rise.

Speaker 2:
[16:02] It was 11 months. That's incredible.

Speaker 4:
[16:04] I want to make this is accessible to anyone. And we're we're inclusive. You don't have to be Jewish to join. And I want to make it accessible. I can't be on every corner like, you know, like a coffee house, but I can be within an hour. So once a month, you have a safe and gentle and a place to train. And, you know, the big thing is we have the NRA backing us.

Speaker 2:
[16:26] Oh, no. And that's ginormous. Do you have, I know that first hand, do you have, is it, are you focusing on female only, male only? Tell me about how's the group, what's the group look like that comes to you?

Speaker 4:
[16:39] I gotta tell you, if I take all, we probably have 1200 members. Right now I haven't counted today, but I'd say it's about 50-50 split. A lot of women, a lot of women, demographics are over 40. Over 40 to 92, half men, half women.

Speaker 2:
[16:59] So when you talk about that demographic, you're in your wheelhouse right here because the demographic here, average, I would put in that, my listener demographic falls right into that as well. So I'm not surprised by any of that that you're saying. Younger people, one of the things we've wrestled with in this community for many, many years, the people who are coming up behind us, and by younger crowd, I mean my kids, 21 and 23, soon to be 22 and 24. This is an age group, a demographic, that we really need to get involved. Are you seeing any of that? Is there any excitement? None of that in the Jewish community at all?

Speaker 4:
[17:30] No, it's a little disconcerting.

Speaker 2:
[17:33] Yeah, because your answer was quick. Quick and hard. You said no immediately, not even hesitation.

Speaker 4:
[17:39] I would have to say less than 2% are people under 30.

Speaker 2:
[17:43] That surprises me because of October 7th demographics. When you look at the festival, that surprises me because I would have thought that that age group, I would have lost money on that bet.

Speaker 4:
[17:55] Yep, you would have lost money. No, we have Bubbies and Zadies and moms and dads and people over 40. Moms and dads, kids that are 4 people, grandchildren.

Speaker 2:
[18:09] Why do you suppose... That concerns me too because we're trying actively to engage those younger crowds.

Speaker 4:
[18:15] I'll tell you what, I don't think that they are on Israel's side and they don't think that it can happen to them. And they don't.

Speaker 2:
[18:25] A large majority of their demographic age group was impacted directly at the festival that day.

Speaker 4:
[18:31] When you have propaganda out there that is on the line... I mean, again, I'm not a historian at all. I don't think I'm the smartest person in the room, but it's very obvious when you have propaganda being fed in your face. And the age group we're talking about is on the screens. Is on the screens, you know, half the day. And it's one thing after another. And they're getting conditioned to think they don't have to do it, or it's wrong or whatnot. And just take it back to basics. What happened 100 years ago?

Speaker 2:
[19:00] They're going to be the group that changes our evolution to include big, long, pointy thumbs.

Speaker 4:
[19:06] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[19:07] You know, but it... But that... I'm speechless, but I really am shocked by that. That does surprise me.

Speaker 4:
[19:14] I don't know how to grab them. I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[19:16] Yeah. That is... That's interesting to me. Time gets the best of us. It always does. We've only got about 10 seconds left. Tell people where the website is and spell it out.

Speaker 4:
[19:24] You got it. Lox and A-N-D, Loaded, L-O-A-D-E dot org.

Speaker 2:
[19:30] And it's L-O-X, ladies and gentlemen. Gayle, you're going to come back on the show, promise.

Speaker 4:
[19:34] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[19:34] We'll have you on when we have more time. Thank you for being here. I do appreciate it. Guys, we'll be right back. Don't go away. Armed American Radio is proudly being brought to you by Blackout Coffee. Visit them at blackoutcoffee.com/aar. Grab that discount and free shipping. Welcome back to the show. Across the table from me is Mark Oz Geist. Now, ladies and gentlemen, you probably know the name. Think 13 Hours, Benghazi, right?

Speaker 5:
[20:24] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:25] I got that correct? Just need to get a little closer to the mic. Obviously, we've all heard of you and your story, but you're here with me at the NRA convention. First, let's say welcome to the program for the first time, sadly, for the first time.

Speaker 5:
[20:37] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:38] You and I have met at SHOT shows and likely here before over many years, but I'm like you, I guess so many people come and go. And you and I were just talking, ladies and gentlemen, Mark and I were talking, have you been on the show before? And I'm thinking, I don't know, let's just bring you on the show, right? Welcome in, brother, it's great to have you here.

Speaker 5:
[20:56] It's an honor to be here. Thank you and God bless and all that you do to get the word out.

Speaker 2:
[21:01] Well, I appreciate that very much. And just the fact that you're here at the NRA Convention means so much because you've been through so much. Let's talk about it. Who's your companion here with you?

Speaker 5:
[21:11] This is Rhone. She's my service dog. She's a Belgian Malinois and she's named after Tyrone Woods, who his call sign was Rhone. He got killed next to me in Benghazi.

Speaker 2:
[21:22] Now I've heard you speak before and I kind of want to ask you to kind of bring that here. Do enough Americans really know what happened?

Speaker 5:
[21:33] You know, I don't think so. I think the, you know, it's been going on 14 years. It's been 13. Hard to believe. It's been the 14th year since it's happened. And you know what really bothers me is that people, our youngsters aren't being taught this kind of thing because this isn't the only time something like this has happened. There's other things that our military have done. But we don't teach our children enough of this because, and then we wonder why our children aren't patriotic. I think we have to do a better job at that in our schools. But obviously we know why that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2:
[22:09] You know, I got lucky. I've got a patriotic wife. My kids are patriotic. They're 21 and 24. They can't wait to go to TPUSA every year in Phoenix. And it's been really fun to watch my kids grow. But they have parents that are teaching them values. My kids understand American history. They're thrilled. It's the 250th anniversary of the country. They are thrilled that they're alive to participate. They couldn't wait to elect Donald Trump twice, okay? And I mean, both my kids have voted in both elections. It's been wonderful to watch. So it's really cool to see, but you are spot on. Not enough understand. Tell people that maybe we have listeners of all age groups across the country. What happened?

Speaker 5:
[22:54] So our embassy, actually it was a consulate in Benghazi. The consulate was about a mile away from our CIA complex, and that's where I was at. I worked for a group called GRS, Global Response Staff. Our job was to protect our American spies that work overseas for us. And what was going on, it was September 11th. You know, obviously, that's a very sensitive subject for a lot of different people, both us and a lot of the terrorists out there. And they decided that they were going to try to, I believe they wanted to kidnap our ambassador. And they attacked the compound. They were able to overcome that compound very quickly, unfortunately. And that's because the security there wasn't good enough or wasn't big enough, more than anything. The guys that were there were great, but they just didn't have enough of them. They got overtaken by 40 armed individuals. I was out in town with a female case officer. We were doing some, what CIA does, meeting with some people. And I got a call on the radio that said, hey, the consulate's under attack, stay away from it, get back to the annex. Well, by the time I got, my partner linked up, got in the vehicle. That's when we started hearing what's going on. You hear gunfire, explosions, and you hear the team leader for the security of the...

Speaker 2:
[24:24] You knew then. Yep.

Speaker 5:
[24:25] I knew the security officer for the embassy or the consulate there said, if you don't get here now, we're going to all die. And not knowing that until I got back, that's what triggered the rest of our team to leave after being told to stand down three times. They decided, you know what, saving Americans is more important than our job. We're going to go do what needs to get done. And they went over there. Five guys went over there, pushed off 40 armed individuals. You know, a lot of people ask, well, how can five people do that? Well, two things. Element of surprise and violence of action. When you come through that gate, anybody holding a gun is going to get taken out. And it's amazing when the bad guys even see their friends or their net left and right get annihilated.

Speaker 2:
[25:13] They think twice.

Speaker 5:
[25:14] Yeah, they think twice too. So any of that 40 that survived, that initial assault of us coming back on there disappeared into the night. Throughout that night, there was another attack on it. Coordinated, they had to make the decision to either stay where they're at and in an indefensible position or fall back to the annex where we knew we could defend. We hadn't found the ambassador's body at that time. We did get Sean Smith, who was the information officer. We pulled back to the annex and over the rest of the night till about 5 o'clock in the morning, we got attacked three times and the last one culminated with indirect fire. It was a complex attack. Indirect fire mortars, belt-fed machine guns and AKs and three of those mortars landed about 17 feet from me. The blast went through me, killing Ty and Glenn, who were on the other side of me. I got injured pretty bad, I had about 25 holes in me. My left arm was almost blown off. It had very little help, very little skin helping and holding it on. But luckily TIG came up, saved my life, got a tourniquet on me, got a tourniquet on one of the other security guys from the state department that was on the roof. Ended up going from there to the airport, from the airport to Tripoli. First hospital I was in was Libyan hospital with Libyan doctors. And then that night I flew out from there to Germany. And I didn't find this out until about five years ago. I was going through my medical reports and reading what happened on the plane. And on the plane I had to be intubated and resuscitated. So I died on the plane and they were able to bring me back.

Speaker 2:
[27:02] You know, I don't even know how to respond to any of that other than to say thank you for everything that you did. And enough Americans do not know about this. And then I hear you talk and I hear, what difference does it make now anyway? I hear that in my head. And I get angry. I don't want to bring the politics involved in that. You do what you do and politics doesn't matter. But then when the politics does come in, it just angers me so much. Because of what you guys went through there. Did you... I guess the question is, what's the takeaway now? We're 14 years removed from that. What's the takeaway now with the Trump administration? We've only got about one minute. So have at it.

Speaker 5:
[27:46] Well, I'll give you a great example. I mean, we had a pilot that got... Two pilots from the same aircraft that got shot down inside Iran. Luckily, one of them was able to get rescued right away. The second one wasn't. And instead of writing him off, what did President Trump do? He sent everything that's necessary. And he just gave... He didn't send it himself. What he did is he gave that authority to Pete Hegseth to put together whatever his cabinet and generals could and go rescue this guy, whatever it takes. Whatever it takes. And that is what America has to know. Our men and women who serve in the military need to know. And even those who serve in civilian capacity in foreign countries for the government need to know that, you know what? We will not leave you behind. We will come get you no matter where you are and what the cost.

Speaker 2:
[28:43] You know, I'm going to keep you... I'm going to switch this segment over. We've only got about another minute, but the other segment ended. I want to keep you on here. Let me just say, I got to shake your pockets. It's an honor and a privilege to sit here with you. It really is. I've heard you tell this story before, and it's mind-boggling to me. So I was not shocked to hear your response about what it takes now. These are lessons that we've learned, or at least this president understands. And I think that's important. And for somebody like you, I'm going to guess that the takeaway from that is pretty satisfying to know that we have a commander in chief that will do what it takes to get it done.

Speaker 5:
[29:17] Well, yeah, you don't question it. I mean, I don't know of anybody in the military that would question what would happen now. Where, under Obama and then under Biden, I mean, you didn't know how that was going to be, because politics played before the love of this country and the sacrifice that so many men and women have made for 250 years. I mean, that's what we're celebrating this year.

Speaker 2:
[29:42] And I got to close it with this, but I'm going to do this FCC friendly. You're a freaking hero, and I'm glad to be sitting here with you, brother. Thank you, man. We'll be back.

Speaker 5:
[29:50] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[29:51] That was great. I'm so sorry we're up against that hard clock, bro. This segment is brought to you by Attorneys on Retainer. Get the only self-defense program for gun owners backed by a real law firm, the Attorneys for Freedom. Visit them online at attorneysonretainer.us. Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, I have a very special guest with us today, and this is a first for me at Armed American Radio. We've interviewed youth shooting sports over the years. We've been doing this for 18 years, and sitting in front of me here for this final segment of Armed American Radio's monster cast is the Texas Honey Badger. Did I get that right?

Speaker 6:
[30:50] Yes, indeed you did.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] Indeed I did. Thank you. And you are how old?

Speaker 6:
[30:54] I am nine years old.

Speaker 2:
[30:55] You are nine years old. I'll tell you what, it's great to have you here. We're going to talk a little bit about the Texas Honey Badger and how you got the name, but let's start with this, because are you seeing any other kids your age here at the NRA?

Speaker 6:
[31:10] No, sir, I'm not.

Speaker 2:
[31:11] We need to, don't we?

Speaker 6:
[31:13] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[31:13] So we're going to get, you're going to have to help, and I know how you're going to be able to do that, because I happen to know that you are a member of the NRA.

Speaker 6:
[31:21] Yes, sir.

Speaker 2:
[31:21] But you're not just any member of the NRA.

Speaker 6:
[31:24] A life member.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] You are a life member, and you've been a life member since you were how old?

Speaker 6:
[31:29] Ten days old.

Speaker 2:
[31:30] Ten days old, and you're a life member. That's a beautiful thing. How old were you when you got your first gun?

Speaker 6:
[31:37] Ten years. I'm ten days old, too.

Speaker 2:
[31:40] Ladies and gentlemen, she brings receipts. I've seen the photographs. Her mom and dad are right here with her, and I have seen the photographs, and it is wonderful. But you do some really cool, fun stuff.

Speaker 6:
[31:51] Yes, sir.

Speaker 2:
[31:52] Right? Don't be shy. Get up in front of that microphone and tell us, because you got this beautiful grin on your face, and I know you're just chomping at the bit to tell my audience on hundreds of stations around the country, what it is you do for fun.

Speaker 6:
[32:05] I do Jiu-Jitsu for fun, and I try to, I do it for self-defense.

Speaker 2:
[32:12] Come on up a little bit closer. There you go.

Speaker 6:
[32:14] I do it for self-defense, and I just want to help keep people safe.

Speaker 2:
[32:21] All right. When yourself.

Speaker 6:
[32:22] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[32:23] But now, how long have you been doing the Jiu-Jitsu? Did I say, wait, I'm going to get tongue-tied. Jiu-Jitsu, how long have you been doing the Jiu-Jitsu? Jiu-Jitsu.

Speaker 6:
[32:31] I'll get it. I've been doing it, well, in June, it would be my third year.

Speaker 2:
[32:39] Third year. Now, you came in, you ranked in a world ranking or a US ranking?

Speaker 6:
[32:45] World ranking.

Speaker 2:
[32:46] In a world ranking, you came in. I know the answer to this, ladies and gentlemen, this is going to blow your mind, but you came in where?

Speaker 6:
[32:51] Second.

Speaker 2:
[32:51] Second, and in the ring?

Speaker 6:
[32:53] In the ring.

Speaker 2:
[32:54] Now, guys, I have seen the videos of you coming down. I mean, this is like, I don't know how else to say this, but it's like a prize fight match or a WWE entrance or something like that, right?

Speaker 6:
[33:08] Yes, sir.

Speaker 2:
[33:09] So what music plays in the background when you make your butt kick an entrance?

Speaker 6:
[33:13] We like, I do my own custom music. It's like knocking and then it says like, what's the password?

Speaker 2:
[33:21] What's the password? That's cool.

Speaker 6:
[33:23] And then it says like, I see dead people and then it goes like music and it says-

Speaker 2:
[33:28] Come on up a little closer. I want everybody to be able to hear you.

Speaker 6:
[33:30] And then it says like, fighting out an urban jiu-jitsu, she has taken more arms than leprosy.

Speaker 2:
[33:39] But you're doing this in a massive stage with a lot of people in an arena setting.

Speaker 6:
[33:44] Yes sir.

Speaker 2:
[33:45] Do you know what the biggest crowd is you fought in front of before?

Speaker 6:
[33:50] I would have to say that was a couple weeks at Sub Hunter Pro in Dallas Cowboys Dance Hall.

Speaker 2:
[33:56] Really? So there was more than 50 people there.

Speaker 6:
[33:59] Yeah, there was about let's say like maybe 500 to a thousand.

Speaker 2:
[34:03] 500 to a thousand people. Did you win the match?

Speaker 6:
[34:05] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[34:05] You did? Okay. Well, I would expect nothing less for number two in the world.

Speaker 6:
[34:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:09] That's a great ranking to have. But you have the whole, I mean the whole play behind you. You got the fire, you got the lights, you got the water, you got the camera, you got the action, you got it all.

Speaker 6:
[34:17] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[34:17] Now are you interested in shooting competitively by any chance?

Speaker 6:
[34:20] Yeah, I am. It's just that like I never have time. I'm looking forward to like in summer, but like tournaments, you know.

Speaker 2:
[34:27] Well, yeah. So how much time do you spend on the Jiu-Jitsu?

Speaker 6:
[34:32] I go Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Friday is my break day, sometimes Saturday. Right. And sometimes Sunday.

Speaker 2:
[34:41] And I'm going to guess that in order to reach a world ranking of number two in your chosen sport, that you put just a ton of time into this.

Speaker 6:
[34:53] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[34:54] How much time do you spend in working out and training and practicing for these matches, which are extremely physical?

Speaker 6:
[35:00] Yes. It's about per week. It's about like 10 to 11 hours.

Speaker 2:
[35:04] 10 to 11 hours a week.

Speaker 6:
[35:06] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[35:06] And that's every day. You've got school and everything else on top of it.

Speaker 6:
[35:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:10] So you're busy.

Speaker 6:
[35:10] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[35:11] When can you find time to shoot?

Speaker 6:
[35:14] Pretty much on like Friday. Because I don't have school Friday.

Speaker 2:
[35:20] Okay. Good.

Speaker 6:
[35:22] Yeah. But mainly Friday, sometimes Saturday.

Speaker 2:
[35:26] I can hear people around the country wondering, how come you don't have school on Friday, and how can I get out of school on Friday? You want to tell the secret to that one?

Speaker 6:
[35:34] The school just said, you know what? You're going to stay in longer, but you get no Fridays.

Speaker 2:
[35:39] Okay. So they're working with you for what you do.

Speaker 6:
[35:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[35:42] See, ladies and gentlemen, that's what it takes to become a world ranking. So that's championship stuff. So congratulations. As far as shooting goes, can you, what do you have a favorite gun? Because I know your first gun was a shotgun, your dad said, when you were 10 days old.

Speaker 6:
[35:57] Yes. My favorite gun is a 22 bronzer 1911 mini gun.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] Perfect. Rifle?

Speaker 6:
[36:09] A handgun.

Speaker 2:
[36:11] Handgun? Do you have a favorite rifle at all?

Speaker 6:
[36:14] My favorite rifle? I don't really have a favorite.

Speaker 2:
[36:18] Okay. Well, that's something for you to aspire to.

Speaker 6:
[36:20] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:20] Right? So you can go out and you can go out, and I'm sure, because your dad's over there right now, he's probably got one or two in mind for you, I'm going to guess.

Speaker 6:
[36:27] Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2:
[36:29] Okay. But you know what? Take your dad's advice on that.

Speaker 6:
[36:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:32] And I don't have to tell you about gun safety and all that. I know your dad has been teaching you all that. So you get the rules, you understand all that, right?

Speaker 6:
[36:38] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:39] So do you ever have any friends that talk to you about firearms or have you shot with any friends? Or have you taught any of your other friends, any gun safety rules at all?

Speaker 6:
[36:49] I haven't taught any of my friends. I try to get friends to come over, but my dad's like, well, if they don't want to, they don't have to, and they're a little uncomfortable with it. So I'm like, I'm not going to force them to.

Speaker 2:
[37:01] No, you don't want to do that.

Speaker 6:
[37:02] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:02] And you'll know. If you've got friends that are ready, you'll know. Right?

Speaker 6:
[37:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:06] And so how would you handle that? If one of your friends said to you, hey, Texas Honey Badger, and we're going to call you Texas Honey Badger on National Radio, okay?

Speaker 6:
[37:14] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[37:15] And just, now, let's first, before we go any farther, Texas Honey Badger, you have a big social media presence too.

Speaker 6:
[37:22] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[37:22] And tell me, where can people like you and follow you on Instagram in particular and any other social media that you have?

Speaker 6:
[37:29] On Facebook, it's my dad's. I think it's the same thing, but I'm in...

Speaker 2:
[37:33] It's TXHoneyBadger. I saw it, so I'm following you.

Speaker 6:
[37:36] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[37:37] Okay, TXHoneyBadger, guys. If you want to go out there and get that, text us HoneyBadger. Follow this incredible world-class athlete at nine years old, amazing. Go ahead.

Speaker 6:
[37:45] But yeah, I'm all about Instagram.

Speaker 2:
[37:48] You're all about Instagram?

Speaker 6:
[37:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:49] You get up there and do all the videos and stuff? I'm just curious, do you have a TikTok?

Speaker 6:
[37:53] No.

Speaker 2:
[37:54] Okay, that's...

Speaker 6:
[37:54] I had a TikTok, but it's cringey.

Speaker 2:
[37:56] Yeah, you know what? I think you're right about that, and I'm glad you don't have a TikTok. And you don't deal with any of the other stuff? You don't have a Facebook or any of the Twitter or any of that nonsense?

Speaker 6:
[38:04] No. My dad has Facebook.

Speaker 2:
[38:07] Yeah, well, that's okay. Dads can have Facebook, but you don't need any of that stuff. But the Instagram is good for you. How many followers do you have now?

Speaker 6:
[38:14] 1,210.

Speaker 2:
[38:17] And it's growing?

Speaker 6:
[38:18] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:18] And it's going to keep growing, I can promise you that, because I've seen you fight.

Speaker 6:
[38:21] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:22] I saw the videos. Guys, Texas Honey Badger is the real deal. I'm not kidding you. When in some of the videos, and you can go, all those reels are available on Instagram than anybody that follows you, right?

Speaker 6:
[38:32] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:33] Well, let's help her get over 2,000 or 2,500 or 3,000 or 5,000 or 10,000 followers on Instagram and make it a real deal.

Speaker 6:
[38:42] Right? Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:43] Now, do you have a website yet?

Speaker 6:
[38:44] No, not yet.

Speaker 2:
[38:45] Okay, you'll let us know when to do.

Speaker 6:
[38:46] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[38:47] All right. You know what? I want to thank you for being here. It was really fun. I got to watch you sit over here and interview with Lucretia. That was great. And you got to do on her live show today on her live stream. And now you get to end my show here after spending all these days at the National Rifle Association. I'm going to shake your paw. You're awesome. I'm shaking the hand of a legend, a future legend. Ladies and gentlemen, the Texas Honey Badger. Thank you so much for being here. We're glad you're here. Good luck to you. We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 6:
[39:12] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[39:13] Thank you guys. I hope you enjoyed the program. We'll be back.