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Speaker 4:
[03:21] Jay, welcome back to the show, dude.

Speaker 6:
[03:23] Always a good time. Always a good time.

Speaker 4:
[03:25] Always fun talking to you. I referred to you as the modern Dan Duchaine. You're my guy. Huge compliment. It is a huge compliment for people who know who that is.

Speaker 6:
[03:34] I was gonna say, you need to explain that for people that aren't old enough. He was the supplement guru.

Speaker 4:
[03:39] Well, he was the everything guru. A lot of the stuff that high level competitors will do now, he pioneered back in the day. Anybody who knows body building in the 80s, 90s, they know Dan Duchaine.

Speaker 7:
[03:54] As you guys know, he mentored me for six months.

Speaker 4:
[03:56] That's right. You knew him personally.

Speaker 7:
[03:58] I did know him personally.

Speaker 4:
[03:59] Yeah, so rad.

Speaker 7:
[04:00] Still have that book, The Underground Steroid Handbook, that little paper.

Speaker 4:
[04:03] You know what's crazy about that? He wrote about stuff that I hear competitors using now. I'm like, dude, he was talking about that in the early 90s. It was all speculative back then.

Speaker 6:
[04:12] How did you meet him? How did you come across him?

Speaker 7:
[04:14] Literally, very true story, just on Underground Forum, Bodybuilding Forum. He posted about his book, Body Opus, who was the athlete, the shredded guy on the cover of Body Opus. I wrote in, and true story, the guy literally was a guy by the name Hans Hobstock. He trained at my gym.

Speaker 5:
[04:33] Wait, so that's the gym?

Speaker 4:
[04:34] So that was the guy on the cover?

Speaker 7:
[04:35] Yes, Hans Hobstock. I wrote in, I was like, oh, that's Hans. He's like my buddy. I trained at the same gym, the same. And he wrote me back. He's like, holy shit. He's like, we need to talk. And then we started talking via email. And then he was actually in the same group that I was in, which was the Low Carb List. It was called the L-Serve Low Carb List or Exercise List. And then him and I became friends. He's like, hey man, if you ever want to come down to TJ, I'll talk to you. Because he lived in TJ at the end of his life.

Speaker 6:
[05:01] This is the 90s?

Speaker 7:
[05:03] Yes, this was in like 98 and 99.

Speaker 4:
[05:08] Wait, how old are you, Jay?

Speaker 7:
[05:10] I'll be 55 in February.

Speaker 4:
[05:12] Okay, okay. So you were a kid, though?

Speaker 7:
[05:14] Yeah, I was in my 20s. I was in my 20s. But he died literally the next year. I want to say he died in, it was either 2000 or 2001. He died before 9-11. But yeah, I worked with him, or met, worked with him, literally sat in the Hard Rock Cafe on Revolution in Tijuana for like six hours.

Speaker 6:
[05:30] Yeah, so you guys start emailing back and forth. He's like, we gotta meet. Do you go down to TJ?

Speaker 7:
[05:35] I went to TJ and-

Speaker 6:
[05:36] I wonder when you meet this guy on a forum, but was he already-

Speaker 4:
[05:40] Yeah, you knew who he was.

Speaker 6:
[05:41] You knew who he was.

Speaker 7:
[05:42] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 6:
[05:42] Okay, so it wasn't like he was just some rando.

Speaker 7:
[05:44] No, no, no.

Speaker 6:
[05:45] Everyone respected who he was.

Speaker 7:
[05:46] No, no, no. He was a super, super cool guy, very weird, just like he was in real life, like very to himself, was never married, doesn't have kids, just very, very reclusive, but just super intelligent. And so he would just like tell me, he would ask me questions and I would ask him questions and we just became really good friends and then he basically died. And it was kind of like he died in a one bedroom apartment type thing.

Speaker 6:
[06:11] Do you attribute that time to kind of what set you off down your path or were you already kind of on that path and that just was part of your journey?

Speaker 7:
[06:19] I was on that path, but he massively was responsible for me going deeper. Really.

Speaker 4:
[06:24] What did you learn? So what did you end up learning from him?

Speaker 7:
[06:27] Just so much about fat loss, so much about how to use androgens, low carb. He was huge. He was super, super into the Atkins diet and low carb and how to build muscle by basically doing a cyclical ketogenic diet. He was one of the first people that understood that, where you went zero carb all week and then on Saturday and Sunday you glycogen loaded. He had so many tricks on how to dispose of glucose faster and what kind of things you could take. You could take mannitol. He just knew all these things that no one really understood.

Speaker 6:
[07:03] So was he responsible for carb cycling?

Speaker 4:
[07:06] Not responsible, but in the bodybuilding world, he was the guy that introduced it. Carb cycling before that was endurance athlete.

Speaker 7:
[07:12] Exactly. There was one other doctor, if you guys remember, his name was Mauro DiPasquale. He wrote the book, The Anabolic Diet.

Speaker 4:
[07:18] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 7:
[07:19] So I met him around the same time too, but he was very instrumental with the bodybuilding side of things, but Dan personally used to say, Mauro, it is no shit. Mauro, if you're out there and you hear this podcast, man, much love to you, man, but he used to joke about that. But Mauro did know his stuff, but Dan was, they had like their little beef, you know.

Speaker 6:
[07:37] Like, yeah, I think all these...

Speaker 4:
[07:39] He has these intellects.

Speaker 6:
[07:40] Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 4:
[07:42] He was, Dan was, Duchaine was, he was the guy that started the ephedra, caffeine, aspirin.

Speaker 7:
[07:48] Yes, he did.

Speaker 4:
[07:49] That was him.

Speaker 7:
[07:50] Ultimate Orange. You guys remember Ultimate Orange?

Speaker 4:
[07:52] Yeah, that was the first pre-workout.

Speaker 6:
[07:54] I want to talk a little bit more about this, I don't know, you know, called carb cycling, what you would call it, this like low carb on the weekdays and then a high carb on the weekend. I don't think, of all the carb cycling I've done, I've done a lot of carb cycling, back loading, back loading, you name it, high, super high, low, all the name, but I don't think I've ever attempted a Monday through Friday, low to no carb and then a heavy load on the weekends.

Speaker 7:
[08:16] Yeah, so it was interesting strategy. So it was known as the cyclical ketogenic diet.

Speaker 4:
[08:20] That's right.

Speaker 7:
[08:21] And Lyle McDonald, who, by the way, is also a friend of mine who is crazy.

Speaker 6:
[08:25] Dude, I've been trying to get these guys to get on the show.

Speaker 7:
[08:27] I can get Lyle to come on the show if you guys want to.

Speaker 6:
[08:29] Yes, I follow some of his stuff.

Speaker 7:
[08:32] But Lyle's crazy.

Speaker 6:
[08:32] He is crazy. He's a shit talker and he's brilliant.

Speaker 7:
[08:35] He's absolutely brilliant off the charts. So Lyle and another woman by the name of Elsie Volk, who I think him and her were girlfriend and boyfriend for a while, and me were like the crash desk dummies for his book, which was called Cyclical Ketogenic Diet, or I'm sorry, it was changed to a Ketogenic Diet in Kyrian Practice, which was written in 96, which was really the first diet book for ketogenic dieting that was written for bodybuilding and performance. But anyway, I was doing that for three years and giving him the research of me being in that like deep cyclical ketogenic window. And it was awesome. I mean, this is before I ever touched testosterone or any anabolic or anything. I was just using RIP fuel or ultimate orange and stuff like that. But I learned a lot. And I always tell people, like, I learned enough to know that, like, if you're in a ketogenic diet long term for a long time, you will really f yourself off because it retards insulin metabolism. And so that's why all the keto bros and the carnivore people really don't know how crazy they're screwing up their metabolism because they're actually changing insulin metabolism from the standpoint that they're increasing their A1C. I mean, you know, I was just at, I just spoke at the Hack Your Health Conference. And so those are all the low carb, you know, because that's former KetoCon people, right? So they're all there. And, you know, some of them are so militant about this, but like they don't understand when they get their labs done or the biomarkers done, why their A1Cs are so high, and it's because, dude, you can never eat carbs. So they don't understand that, but they're starting to learn.

Speaker 4:
[10:03] You actually need some carbs for insulin sensitivity. You actually, by the way, the old, the hardcore anti-carb guys, all change, Mercola, I mean, he does, he understands this. And it also hammers your thyroid.

Speaker 7:
[10:15] Oh, it's terrible.

Speaker 4:
[10:16] It's bad for your thyroid to be no carb all the time.

Speaker 7:
[10:18] It's terrible. And even Paul Saladino, he changed, too. He completely changed his tune because he learned.

Speaker 6:
[10:24] That's honey, fruit, he's had all that stuff.

Speaker 7:
[10:26] And I think you guys know, we've talked about this on the show many times, you got to be remain metabolically flexible, right? It's the end of the day. If you're building muscle, you have to have carbs. You know, the brain requires carbs. Sure, the brain can get carbs from a very inefficient process of gluconeogenesis, right? But the body wants carbs. You know, remember Poliquin, he said, you get your carbs when you deserve them, right? So it's like, if you're a bodybuilder and you're not eating carbs, you're kind of like missing the deal. But it's interesting because going back to what Lyle was doing, you would go Monday through Friday and you would eat like four to five times a day. That would just literally be like ground turkey or a hamburger. If you wanted to get some roughage for bowel movements, you'd have like broccoli or something, but it would just be trace green carbs. Then on Saturday morning, you would do a depletion workout. Your workout was like, you would want to go like 60 to 90 minutes of just completely pushing all the glycogen that was left in your body, which wasn't much anyway. You're on feed. And then you would just go crazy and eat as much as you could eat until literally you went to bed on Sunday night. Now, after six or eight months of doing this, we learned you didn't want to like go crazy at seven or eight o'clock at night and go to bed two hours later because your body would be laying there and you couldn't sleep, digesting all that sugar and glycogen, but you would eat it whatever you want. I mean, I swear to God, I was literally eating bowls of cereal that were this big. It would be like 1,500 calories of sugar and just simple carbohydrates.

Speaker 6:
[11:53] You're so depleted. Literally, before you got out here, we were talking about either like, if you ever ate 10,000 calories, I'm like, absolutely, I ate 10,000 calories post-show. They're like, how terrible you feel? I said, I felt amazing.

Speaker 7:
[12:04] Exactly.

Speaker 6:
[12:04] I was so depleted.

Speaker 7:
[12:06] That's the craziest part is your body does super glycogenate. And so you see this insane effect of how pumped your muscles are and how lean you act. You actually get leaner, right? Because it's like, it's-

Speaker 6:
[12:17] I said, I looked better. I was like, it was awesome.

Speaker 4:
[12:20] The theory behind this is, the theory behind this was to leverage going into ketosis, using glycogen. It's to leverage the anabolic response and to leverage the fat loss potential response. And so that's what it was.

Speaker 6:
[12:37] Right, so the idea is that you're basically losing body fat during the week, and then you're building on the weekend.

Speaker 7:
[12:43] Exactly.

Speaker 4:
[12:44] And now, typical bodybuilding style, they overdo everything. So it's like, you know, bulls of cereal.

Speaker 7:
[12:48] Well, that's the other thing about Duchaine, why he was so genius is like, he knew the levers to pull during that window of, say, 36 hours where you're super glycogenating, of like, what you can do to really make it less stressful on your body, you know, adding in like racemic ALA as glucose disposal, taking in mannitol, glucoma.

Speaker 4:
[13:07] Or giving people insulin?

Speaker 7:
[13:08] Yeah, I mean, well, I see then, well, no, that's a good point, I'll get to that. I wasn't using insulin then, I didn't know how to do that, but Dan talked to me about that. So again, this is before I started using testosterone. It was honestly like literally one year later, I was on testosterone, right? So, but yeah, I didn't take advantage of that, but he talked to me about a lot of that stuff, but what you would find is that, and what I found, which was very unfortunate, is that once you came off that diet, your insulin metabolism was so fucked, you could not even eat carbs without becoming a narcoleptic. You'd become narcoleptic. I mean, I literally could not go out in public, and at that time in my life, I was actually working for the LA Times. I was like a classified advertising salesperson, but I couldn't, it was so bad, I would want to go to sleep in my car. I would be like, oh my God, you know, I just reintroduced, I ate a couple of brown rice or white rice or whatever I was eating, and I would be, because your insulin metabolism was-

Speaker 6:
[14:03] Adapted so much to that schedule.

Speaker 7:
[14:04] Yes, for three years I did a simple ketogenic diet, right? And that was for the research and to have the book and to understand all the stuff. It took six months before I was normal again. And so that's why I always tell people who are so hardcore keto or carnivore or whatever, who void carbs, like Mike, you have no idea what you're doing here.

Speaker 6:
[14:20] Did you find things like honey or fruit were better and you slowly introduced, how did you get there in six months?

Speaker 7:
[14:26] Well, I wasn't smart enough to do that. I mean, first I ate a lot of greens and I was fine, but then as soon as I started eating complex carbs, it was like, it was coma. I mean, I'd be comatose. I mean, it was, and everyone experiences this. You talk to people and I was just talking to people at the Hacker Health event. You guys will laugh. There was a guy at my booth and I had those new chips, the Mazzo chips that taste so amazing or whatever with no seed oils or whatever. And the guy was like, I was like, you want one? He's like, oh no. You can see him. Oh no. And then he goes, he pulls up a shirt and he was soft. He didn't even have abs. Seriously, he's like, no, man, I like my abs. I'm like, bro, don't make me pull up my shirt because he don't have abs, dude. I'm showing you what carbs does, Doug. I mean, anyway, but the bottom line is, is that too many of these people, seriously, too many of these people are like, obviously carb phobic. You guys know this. And they're like, oh my God, carbs are the devil. And I'm going to get fat if I eat carbs. And so many of them, like you said, have horrible biomarkers because you're right.

Speaker 4:
[15:31] And when it comes to building muscle, I would love your input on this, but from my understanding, the mass monster era in bodybuilding, in the 90s, which took everything to where it is now, it's a huge difference in bodybuilding. There was a difference from the 70s and 80s, but that was mainly anabolic. They were just taking more anabolic. Then you went 80s and 90s and something different happened. And a lot of people are like, it's growth hormone. No, I think it was insulin. I think it was them figuring out how to use carbohydrates in an anabolic way.

Speaker 7:
[16:00] And by the way, those were the best physiques ever. Today, no one looks that conditioned. No one is that carved. And that is exactly the answer. And then you know the other thing, and I don't want to get in trouble, but what's really tanked bodybuilding from a physique aesthetic standpoint is AIs. All these guys are using high doses of aromasin, Arimidex, and that is preventing them from getting shredded because it's very evidenced in the literature that when you take an aromatase inhibitor, again, and you inhibit the production of estrogen from the aromatase enzyme, from your anadrogens, you cannot burn fat. So those guys are getting down to like 7 or 8 percent body fat and they stop, and they can't get down to the point.

Speaker 4:
[16:39] They weren't using AIs in the 90s.

Speaker 7:
[16:40] No, there was none of that. And so that is the difference. And look, I say this all the time. I've said this on podcasts, I'll say it on yours. A lot of these guys who have died, I won't name names, but we could have died from the fissures in the capillary network from taking AIs. That's what it does. It's causing these little micro fissures in the capillary and vascular networks that literally cause them to stroke out.

Speaker 4:
[17:03] Because of the lack of estrogen? Yes. Because you need estrogen for part of estrogen.

Speaker 6:
[17:07] List all the common ones, anastrozole, what are all the common names?

Speaker 7:
[17:10] So, remadex, anastrozole, aromasin, you've got, what's the, leptrazole, which is suicide inhibitor, that is a killing drug.

Speaker 4:
[17:18] That takes everything out.

Speaker 7:
[17:19] My God, that is so bad. And there's other ones, there's literally.

Speaker 6:
[17:21] Dick won't work for like a week.

Speaker 7:
[17:22] But yeah, but I mean, it's like I tell people all the time, like these are women's cancer drugs, and they were created for stage three and stage four cancer, which these women are like at the end, you know, or the end of the rope for that metastasis. And so now you're giving them to bodybuilders to suppress estrogen. They're so bad. I mean, again, I don't want to rabbit hole on them. They're so bad for people. You know, Ben Pakulski used to say, we all know Ben, and Ben used to say to me, he's like, bro, there was the worst gnarliest drugs I've ever taken in my life. But at the end, you know, when I was in my competitive days, the only way I could get water out of my hamstrings is I had to take a small dose for like the last 10 days. And he would always tell me that he felt like his head was in a vice from being on those things, right? So it's like, at the end of the day, there's no purpose for them in bodybuilding. There's really no purpose for them in TRT. Like you said, we need estrogen. Estrogen is more important at the tissue level than even testosterone.

Speaker 4:
[18:15] Well, it's not just that. So there's two things. One, we've all been conditioned as men that estrogen is bad.

Speaker 7:
[18:20] Exactly.

Speaker 4:
[18:20] You need some.

Speaker 7:
[18:21] High test, low estrogen.

Speaker 4:
[18:22] You need to have some estrogen, but it's also the ratio of estrogen to testosterone. So if you're on testosterone replacement therapy, and let's say you're pushing the limits of what your testosterone replacement therapy is, so it's high, like I do. Like I take as much as the doctors let me take. So it's high. I want my estrogen to be at a certain ratio. I don't want normal estrogen for a man who has normal testosterone. It needs to be higher.

Speaker 7:
[18:43] That's exactly right. But that's the problem, I'm glad you said that. That's the problem, is that they're using the range which is for normal men and not men on testosterone and they're attempting the physicians to keep them in that suppressed range.

Speaker 4:
[18:55] Now there's a ratio.

Speaker 7:
[18:55] And that's totally unhealthy. Exactly. But very few doctors understand that. And that's the problem. And that's why you can see men who are on therapeutic testosterone who have, again, lean men who have sensitive estradiols in the 90 to 120 and they have no side effects or symptoms. But a fatter guy or an insulin-resistant guy who has that has all the side effects because their body cannot handle that aromatase, right? So they're over-expressing aromatase. And so they have, quote, unquote, what people think are high estrogen symptoms. But there's no such thing as high estrogen symptoms. There's only insulin resistance and inflammation, which people think are high estrogen symptoms. I mean, I've had some amazing doctors that have really schooled me on this from the evidence standpoint. But that's also the reason why when you suppress estrogen, you can't get that low level of body fat because it's literally allowing the body to hold on to it.

Speaker 6:
[19:43] I always thought it was the growth hormone growing the internal organs and pushing it over.

Speaker 7:
[19:48] There's that. There's water retention. There's edema. There's obviously swelling of the internal organs from high levels of insulin.

Speaker 6:
[19:56] So it's probably a combo of all of it.

Speaker 7:
[19:58] But I mean, what I'm talking about is to actually see that super low shredded physique that, again, a Frank Zane had, a Franco Colombo had. All those guys in the glory days of like the late 80s and the early 90s, before the AIs came in. And you're also right. It was high dose carbs or excuse me, high amounts of carbs and then insulin and growth hormone combined. And that pushed so much super glycogen in, but they didn't have the AI preventing the fat loss. And so that's why you see so many of these guys who are jacked and massive, but don't have that incredible carved peak condition at the end because they're still on an AI.

Speaker 4:
[20:33] Yeah, and a lot of it is just, they might even just be better off with lower doses of anabolic. Vestigens causing a big problem.

Speaker 7:
[20:40] A hundred percent. And again, and that's where we're going with false statin, right? Because we have all these amazing things that are coming into the world that will allow them to gain lean skeletal mass without the side effects.

Speaker 4:
[20:51] Tell us, okay, what is false statin? So this is a peptide, from my understanding, that inhibits myostatin. And myostatin is the breaks on muscle growth. I think at this point, everybody has seen the pictures of the myostatin-inhibited animal.

Speaker 7:
[21:06] Yeah, the blue mouse, or not the mouse, the blue bull.

Speaker 4:
[21:08] The blue bull. And it just looks crazy.

Speaker 7:
[21:10] Right.

Speaker 4:
[21:10] And so false statin is a naturally occurring peptide.

Speaker 7:
[21:13] Correct.

Speaker 4:
[21:14] That your body uses to counteract.

Speaker 7:
[21:16] So it's a great question. So most bodybuilders or people like us in this space, we all have heard of false statin 314, 344, 347. They've been around in the bro world for a long time, right? The issue with those drugs is, as you said, they have a very, they're obviously a protein, it's a peptide, but it's a very short half life. So if you use that, you would have to inject yourself three or four times. And you would also have to inject yourself in the actual area that you were attempting to increase in size.

Speaker 4:
[21:43] Oh, so it's not systemic.

Speaker 7:
[21:44] And train them. Exactly. And that's always been the problem. And even in the underground community, if you got false statin, it was sometimes like because of the way the protein is actually made or actually synthesized, it wouldn't stay stable or it would become inert really fast. So a lot of guys that would get false statin would say, I never got anything from it because it would just go bad. Now our chemist being the genius that he is, and I won't mention his name, I'll tell you guys off air. Eventually, you'll know who he is. But he's got hundreds of drug delivery system patents. He's one of the smartest guys in the world. He created a 19-day albumin-bound false statin. It's called FLGR242. That's its actual trade name. The CAS number is actually coming out this week. And because he extended the half-life, you can inject it twice a month and dramatically increase plasma levels. And no lie, in every person that's using it, and granted, it's a small sample size, and I'm one of them, there's six of us, there's one woman and five guys, every single one of us has gained somewhere between seven and 10 pounds in eight weeks.

Speaker 4:
[22:43] Of muscle.

Speaker 7:
[22:44] Of pure skeletal mass.

Speaker 4:
[22:47] In today's episode, you hear us talking about peptides. Look, you can get them through medical practitioners from FDA-regulated compound pharmacies. Not the gray market, but stuff that's actually legit. And you can also get your blood tests and maybe get on hormone replacement therapy. We have a place for you. mphormones.com, work with real medical professionals. Get your hormones tested, see if hormone therapy is for you and see if peptide therapy is for you. And again, these are the peptides that are coming from real compound pharmacies that are FDA-regulated. One more time, mphormones.com. Back to the show.

Speaker 7:
[23:26] All of us have done the de novo exams. Two of us have done the, what do you call it, the DEXAs. And everyone else has done in-bodies. And all of us have gained seven pounds. If I took my shirt off, you guys see like my chest definition, like my androgen receptors have gotten thicker.

Speaker 4:
[23:42] You do look like you're seven to ten pounds heavier from the last time we saw you.

Speaker 7:
[23:44] Yes. Yes. But I mean my arms and my shoulders. If you look at the picture that I just put on Instagram, my Instagram came back for the first time in three months. I can't talk about peptides. You can see the size that I put on. But all these people are attacking us in the bodybuilding world because they're like there's no way. But they don't understand that this is a totally separate, patented delivery system of folistatin that actually allows muscle to build.

Speaker 6:
[24:09] Isn't this what's similar to what's in the newest GLP-1?

Speaker 7:
[24:14] It's not, but they're targeting a similar pathway. What they're doing with those drugs is they're using mononuclear antibodies and unfortunately, without getting into the science, that's a dead-end path. So where we're really going with this is they're going to eventually have like a stage 4 and a stage 5 agatis that will use folistatin in a format the way ours is. Also, and I don't want to again rabbit hole on this, but where we're going with say GLP technology or science is, it's more small molecules moving forward because Lilly and Novo Nordisk are going crazy to enforce their patents. So all the compounders, the research companies, everybody else who's out there who's attempting to sell or manufacture or even create GLPs, they're going to shut it down because they own all the patents. Now, they haven't been doing that. They've just been sending cease and desist letters to compounders, to research companies, but nobody really did anything with it because FDA wasn't enforcing them. But now Lilly and Novo are going to enforce the patents because they're going to be approving Retatrutide very soon. And once they approve Retatrutide, everybody knows how amazing Retatrutide is as a drug. And they're like, we don't want anybody using Retatrutide other than if you buy it from Lilly. Oh, wow.

Speaker 6:
[25:26] So OK, this begs another question then because we had this discussion with Dr. Seeds. And who? Dr. Seeds. Shut up. I fell for that.

Speaker 7:
[25:39] So what's up, Doc?

Speaker 6:
[25:42] So one of the things that we talked about was, you know, being able to build all this muscle, but potentially being almost useless muscle, similar to like those bulls.

Speaker 7:
[25:54] Non-functional muscle.

Speaker 6:
[25:55] Non-functional. It's like so the body you block this muscular person. Yeah. So you block this, you put on 20, 30 pounds of muscle. Great. You look cool, but you're not stronger. You're not, so is that a concern with the fall statin?

Speaker 7:
[26:08] Yeah. So it's a great question. So previous fall statins, yes, because of the way it bound and it could, the risk or the concern would be that it could increase organ size or it could increase like the heart valve or the aortic valve. Again, ours, the way it's just called recombinant engineered, it only binds to activen. So if I'm saying this wrong, we can edit this, but the way it works is that it only will bind to androgen receptors that are not organ sensitive. So it's shoulder, delt, quad, it's not going to build muscles or increase the size of organs. It's only going to target the actual muscles. So I just want to make sure that I said that correctly. But again, it's a 19-day albumin binder. So the linker on the actual binder extends, as you said earlier, the efficacy, so it becomes systemic and it's not local.

Speaker 4:
[26:58] So albumin, so albumin, so somebody can't use this if they're allergic to eggs?

Speaker 7:
[27:04] I don't know about that. I mean, no one's said it. I don't think that's the case. I think that anybody can use this. I mean, again, so just so you know, so we've tested this product for close to 18 months. It's been tested in monkeys, it's been tested in humans, six months in humans, dogs, cats, and of course rats it started with. And he's already applied for the patent and we'll have the CAS number at the end of this week, literally by Friday, we're going to have a CAS number for it. So there's so many people in the scientific community interested in this product right now that we're like fielding inquiries from some of the biggest companies literally in Europe who want to sell this. Because again, you know, and we haven't talked about Clotho, we'll get there in a second, but like Clotho and Pholestatin is like where all the research in the longevity space is going to. Like how can we re-engineer? How can we molecularly recombinantly change these molecules so that we can make them for everybody in the scientific community who's interested in longevity?

Speaker 4:
[27:55] Besides building muscle on Pholestatin because of its effect on...

Speaker 7:
[27:58] It also burns fat. I know you were going to...

Speaker 4:
[28:00] Well, I was asking, what else do you get?

Speaker 6:
[28:03] Is that just to the metabolic pathway though? Because you add five pounds of muscle, you're going to burn more calories.

Speaker 7:
[28:08] Yes. I mean, in theory, yes, but we're actually going to be coming out with a product because our chemist was like after he used it for six months, he's like, dude, it also has this insane ability to burn fat. Yes, from a metabolic pathway. But then here's the other thing and this is why it makes it so interesting because you guys already talked about all the people, especially women who lose muscle on GLPs, this is the answer. Give them a micro dose of this recombinant form of folistatin and they can't lose muscle because of the way it binds. Again, it binds so powerfully. Again, it has a 19-day half-life. I mean, imagine how many people will be okay to inject it just once or twice a month. That's where it's going with small molecules. We should have another product that I want to let the name out of the bag because he's working on the patent. It's patent pending. That will be a super red atrootide. Super red atrootide.

Speaker 4:
[28:56] What makes it super?

Speaker 7:
[28:58] It binds.

Speaker 5:
[28:59] It's really huge.

Speaker 7:
[29:00] I'm literally not exaggerating. Yeah, with a cape. I should put my cape on real quick. It binds somewhere between 50 and 75 times harder than red atrootide does. And it's not a GLP, so it's a small molecule. So again, according to our chemist, you might have to only... It will be both oral and injectable, but you only have to inject it like once every two months. That's how powerful it is. So that's where we're going with these. Again, you guys have obviously heard of the guys at the Medi Center where they do recombinant engineering and they inject all these different gene therapies. These aren't gene therapies, but you're getting to where the drug manufacturing and the delivery system is so powerful that you don't have to inject it like we've always come to know.

Speaker 4:
[29:41] Jay, you've used the Fuller Staton. So, you're building muscle to get stronger.

Speaker 7:
[29:45] I'm way stronger. Back to what you're saying, the functionality of this, because of the way it binds, again, to the Andrews receptor.

Speaker 4:
[29:53] And you're exercising with it.

Speaker 7:
[29:54] Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[29:55] Let's talk about that and take the calories in.

Speaker 7:
[29:57] Obviously, this is a very intelligent audience. If I was on a different crew, I would be like, guys, you have to do all the things. Everybody that listens to you guys and to me, and by the way, your audience is now my audience, so thank you guys for that. But it is true. Like, it's not a magic pill. None of these things are magic pills. I mean, we always disclaim that, right? But if you train and you take this followstatin and you eat one gram, say, per pound of lean body mass, and you understand how to train in the way you guys recommend training, positive failure, progressive overload, et cetera, you will build muscle way easier on this. And when I say way easier, like I notice more from this now. And again, this is today, nine weeks that I've been on it. And I have been on, again, let me just pull this up for the audience real quick. So this is the actual vial. It says F, or I can't read it, F LGR 242, which is again, is the actual novel patented album inbound followstatin. And it's five milligrams. So you can inject this once every two weeks, or you can inject it, as I was telling you, once a week.

Speaker 4:
[31:02] With a lower dose.

Speaker 7:
[31:03] Exactly. So I like, and again, obviously the guerrilla chemist, you guys know Brian. He is like our chief science officer. We hired him back in August, and he's been doing a lot of research on this. But he kind of thinks, and I agree with him based on what I've been doing, that if you inject it once a week, you increase peak plasma compensation slightly more. Even though it's the same dosage, you're giving that little PK curve bump by injecting it once a week. So you might as a bodybuilder, or as somebody who's looking to build more muscle, you might notice a little bit more. But the net dose at 19-day half-life is the same.

Speaker 4:
[31:37] What do you notice with joints, tendons, ligaments? Any difference?

Speaker 7:
[31:40] Yes, yes.

Speaker 4:
[31:41] Oh, better?

Speaker 7:
[31:42] Way better, yes.

Speaker 4:
[31:43] Really?

Speaker 7:
[31:43] Yeah, so I mean, again.

Speaker 4:
[31:44] So does myostatin also inhibit cartilage? Does it also work on that?

Speaker 7:
[31:49] I mean, not technically, and again, I'm not the guru when it comes to the science on that. Brian would be a guy that you guys could want to talk to, possibly, to go deeper on that. But I definitely know that one of the things chemists recommended, and we can talk about this, is like, what's the ultimate muscle building stack right now in 2026? And you would add TB 500 while you're taking this, which I've been taking, and that's obviously to increase plasma, and of course, to help with the binding, right?

Speaker 4:
[32:15] By the way, I gotta tell you this, man, and I know you started saying this after I told you, so I'd like to take the credit.

Speaker 7:
[32:20] You did, you did. I know what you're going to go by.

Speaker 4:
[32:23] Okay, dude, listen, BPC plus TB 500 together consistently at the higher doses.

Speaker 7:
[32:31] Yes, it does work.

Speaker 4:
[32:32] It's a muscle building, fat burning combo.

Speaker 7:
[32:34] 100 percent.

Speaker 4:
[32:34] It totally changes up.

Speaker 6:
[32:35] That's an expensive stack though these days, right?

Speaker 7:
[32:38] No, it's so much cheaper now.

Speaker 6:
[32:39] Oh, it is? Did it come back down?

Speaker 7:
[32:41] So, it's funny you just said that. So, we just launched another product, which I highly recommend to everybody who's got injuries used, which has Cardilax added to it.

Speaker 4:
[32:49] Oh, okay.

Speaker 7:
[32:49] And Cardilax is that.

Speaker 4:
[32:51] It's a bioregulator, right?

Speaker 7:
[32:52] Exactly, but it's injectable. If there's something that actually helps to regenerate cartilage or regenerate the nerve fiber bundles in cartilage, I would think it's that because I've gotten so much feedback from people with low back problems that said they started taking Cardilax.

Speaker 6:
[33:07] A better Wolverine stack?

Speaker 7:
[33:08] It's way better than, way better Wolverine stack.

Speaker 4:
[33:11] But I just noticed that I get leaner and I have a different quality or a different look to my muscles. It's like they look harder.

Speaker 7:
[33:17] When you told me that two years ago, I went and I remember I told you guys this. I went and looked at the research and there is research out there that does say that it improves and upregulates androgen receptors. So it makes sense that that's what it's doing. So absolutely you would take less testosterone, less anabolic.

Speaker 4:
[33:32] Or same amount.

Speaker 7:
[33:33] Yeah. And get a better result.

Speaker 6:
[33:35] So what's the, what you, because you say it's a larger dose, what would you consider a larger dose of TB 500 and BPC?

Speaker 4:
[33:41] Well, whatever. So they'll tell you a range. I don't know what the number is, but they'll give you a range and I'll stick to the higher range.

Speaker 6:
[33:46] So here, so I had to talk off-air to you to get to that?

Speaker 7:
[33:49] Yeah. No, I'll give it to you right now. We just talked about this. So Chris Cavallini, the owner of Nutrition Solutions, has an issue in his back right now. And he's like one of the most conditioned guys in the world. And so we just designed a new healing stack for him with this. We call it the Regeno Blend and it's TB, BPC and Cardilax. And so it's like one to two milligrams. And by the way, it's 10, 10, 10 in the blend. So you get 10 milligrams of each, it's one to two milligrams injected locally at the origin of the injury once to twice a day, depending on how acute the injury is. So if it just happened, you probably want to do it twice a day, morning and night. And then you would throw in, if you want, you can throw in two things. You can throw in obviously copper peptide GHKCU, right? And some people and they inject that locally, they get a burning. Yeah, it burns. So what you can do with that is you can just dilute it more, right? Put more back to backwater in it. Or and a lot of people are now doing this. You can also take the other bioregulator, which is oral, which is called Sigamir. Now we are now the first company in the United States are selling the actual bioregulator, the Russian Cavinsons ones, the ones that Steve says don't work. You knew I was going to get that in there. We're the only company in the United States that's manufacturing our own and they are Cavinsons. So what we did is we said, you know what? We're going to prove that these work. We're doubled the net ingredient. So all of our capsules have doubled all the Russian blister-packed bioregulators now. So we have one called Biocartilage, which is just Sigamere, which nobody knows what Sigamere means, right? It's a Russian name. But if you use that in addition, you will definitely get better bonding or better binding. Because there's just something about that. Again, I've had all these different influencers who've used that, who've had shoulder issues. They're like, dude, it literally made my shoulder show better.

Speaker 6:
[35:31] Why is there such a divide in the bioregulator thing? Why do half my doctor friends say one side and the other half say the other side?

Speaker 7:
[35:38] Because it's very easy. You don't notice physical change or feel physical change like you do with peptides. So the bioregulators are more of a maintenance thing, right? But I mean, I use them. I take the bio-male, my wife takes the bio-female. I also use the prostate one. It definitely works. I mean, I'm absolute living proof. I also inject Prostomax. Look, I brought these with me today, you know, because I wanted to talk about the latest stuff. But no, I mean, look, this is a real pen of Prostomax, which is straight, this is straight from Lithuania. This guy is a really cool guy. He sends these to me. But this is literally, if I do not inject this once a day, I have to go piss twice a night when I go to bathe. Twice a day. With one, with, I inject it every day, I only have to go to bathe him once a night.

Speaker 6:
[36:24] I pee three times a night.

Speaker 7:
[36:25] Bro, you need to be on this thing.

Speaker 6:
[36:26] My whole life.

Speaker 4:
[36:31] He's talking about as you get older.

Speaker 7:
[36:32] Well, I mean, my prostate, I had to piss twice a night starting at 27, and the doctor that taught me, or not taught me, but kind of educated me on what was happening was when I was using RIPFUEL, those things do, they do stimulate the smooth muscle lining of the prostate walls. So they could have increased slight hypertrophy, and so that would cause that compression, making you have to piss multiple times a day. And I'm telling you, since I started injecting this, I only go to the bathroom once a night. And as you know, dude, if you don't have to wake up more than once, you'll sleep so much better. But again, what is this doing? So I mean, it literally is suppressing the inflammatory cascades that are happening around the prostate as you get older, which all men have, right? I mean, the older you get, you know.

Speaker 4:
[37:17] Matter of time. Yeah, exactly. How do you guys, so, cause you guys operate in this like interesting space.

Speaker 7:
[37:24] Great area.

Speaker 4:
[37:25] How do you, like, what is that like?

Speaker 7:
[37:27] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[37:27] What is that like? Because that's a, I mean, you got your Instagram taken down. You say you just came back, but you can't talk about peptides.

Speaker 7:
[37:33] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[37:33] Because you're working kind of this.

Speaker 7:
[37:36] It's so insane.

Speaker 4:
[37:37] You don't use code words. And here's the other thing too. That space is so crazy.

Speaker 7:
[37:42] It's insane.

Speaker 5:
[37:43] It's the Wild Wild West.

Speaker 4:
[37:44] It's complete Wild Wild West, because you don't know what you're getting. The only, I mean, I know you, I trust you. I know where your address is. If you send me some of that stuff, I'm coming after you.

Speaker 5:
[37:53] Yeah, we'll get you.

Speaker 4:
[37:55] So, tell us about that whole space and what's that like?

Speaker 7:
[37:58] You're navigating that. No, it's an awesome question. So, in truth, research use only, which is RUO. Well, first off, we have the best attorney. I'll give him a shout out if you guys ever need an attorney. We have Jeff Cohen, the honorable Jeff Cohen, who is literally the guy who's created the American Peptide Association. I mean, he's just amazing. He works for Pharma. He works for Compounders. He represents everybody. He's also got obviously research clients like us. But he knows the space from a legal, regulatory standpoint better than anyone else. So obviously, we take our advice from him. But the truth is, and I told you guys this before, the research community is not under the purview of FDA, right? So it's not in the legal deal. Where the weird part, the gray area is now with so many people, like you said, in the peptide space, like there's people literally... I don't know if this is a real peptide company, but I'll just use the name Lone Star Peptides, right? They just pop up and you see them on your Instagram or your Facebook and you're like, oh my God, who's this? These guys are brewing this up in their kitchen or their basement or whatever, their bathroom. But at the end of the day, the reality is that all these different companies are not in the research space, again, called RUO. They're not under the purview of the FDA. They're not technically allowed, which is what we have to deal with every single day, to give advice because they're not a medically authorized or licensed company. So for example, if we sell you bioregulators or these small molecules, which we have all over here, there's nothing wrong with this because the FDA does not care about these oral products. In fact, bioregulators are considered supplements. These are supplements, small molecules are supplements. So there's nothing illegal about doing that. The FDA though also says with our injectable peptides, which are considered non-sterile, we cannot promote them for human use. So that's why it says on the vial for research purposes only. But legally, anyone can research on themselves. You can research on yourself, you can research on your dog. So no, but it's true, right?

Speaker 2:
[40:01] So here's where the divide is.

Speaker 7:
[40:06] To your question, because it's the best question anybody can ask me, is like we now, and there's not just me, there's tons of other influencers and people talking about it. Like if we promote human use from our platform as, this is my experience using this, whether I use peptide science, bio-longevity labs, seeds brand, whomever, I'm allowed to do that because I'm promoting my personal experience, right? So the wine is gray and being straddled when it's an inf. And again, this comes from our attorney. When an influencer is promoting this as my experience, it's perfectly okay. It's perfectly okay. So what we can't do is I can't be on my company, which is bio-longevity labs, and sending emails to people saying how this is how you do it. But I can from my personal brand, jaycampbell.com, my personal email list, my social media, et cetera. But obviously where it's getting weird is in the social media companies, which are completely under the power and purview of pharma. They're like, oh, delete this guy.

Speaker 4:
[41:07] Even though I get ads for research chemicals all the time on Facebook.

Speaker 7:
[41:12] Exactly. It's perfectly OK to do that. That's what I'm saying. But if you're somebody like me now and you have a lot of a big audience, which thanks to you guys very truthfully, seriously, it is retarded because you're right. There are thousands of people promoting it and they don't even know what they're talking about, right? Because they're imitating and regurgitating stuff they hear.

Speaker 4:
[41:33] How do you guys operate your company? What are you guys based out of and how do you guys do all that?

Speaker 7:
[41:37] Yeah, so I mean, very, very well, I can say. So we're based out of Akron, Ohio. That's where our 3PL is. So all of our shipping and our warehousing and all of manufacturing. And then we are in the process of completely owning all of our own API. So we're going to eventually be manufacturing our actual raws in the United States, which is really good. I want to get back to your question because there's a lot of stuff to answer into that question of where this is all going. But right now, we buy our actual non-sterile injectable peptides from a couple of places in the US. A company in Philadelphia, who actually, by the way, supplies a majority of compound pharmacies. And then we get another, we have another company in California called Theta. In fact, Theta is awesome. They're down in Orange County and in Newport. They're going to be responsible for our hair and face product. So we actually have a hair and face product coming next year. You guys, it'll be, I mean, you guys already know better. Better than already what you have? Oh, yeah. I mean, well, you guys know Nick's stuff and Nick is amazing and a brilliant chemist, but like we decided to just build a kitchen sink product. So like a product that, so put it this way, I used it for three weeks. We only had a tiny sample bottle of this and it was a spray bottle. And I have pictures. This was back in September, third week of September to the third week or second week of October. And my hair grew like a weed. I mean, it's not going to be a cheap product because it has every single bioactive under the sun. And they actually spent six months formulating the hair product so that they could know what they could put together, which wouldn't render the other product inert. So it's going to be an insane product. It's probably coming out in February. It's going to be called Bio Grow. And then the face and the serum and the cream, because it will obviously be like a sister product called Biojuvenate. And both of them will be the strongest products in the industry.

Speaker 4:
[43:16] Do you guys ever get letters from regular, you know, regular leaders? They're like, hey, stop talking about this.

Speaker 7:
[43:23] So we do. So back to your original question. So what is coming? And this is all obviously tentative and could change. But we were told, and this is just going back two weeks, that in 2026, Lily and Novo would just completely enforce all their patents. And so compounders who, as you guys know, 80 percent of the compound business is GOP's. Right. 80 percent. 80 percent. Wow. Yes. So what we've been told and what their attorneys, when I say their attorneys, I'm literally talking about FDA level and Lily, which by the way, I don't know how you tell the difference anymore because Lily just became a trillion dollar company. Did you guys see that? Trillion dollar market cap. Wow. So imagine the power they have. We've also been told they have a billion dollar legal defense lobby. So I mean, nobody can compete with them. But so what we've been told is that in 2026, you cannot as a compound or as a research company make any GOP product. They're going to own the rights. They paid the billion dollars that they paid to go through stage three trials of all their products and the cease and desist letters, by the way, we've never gotten a cease and desist letter because we've never sold any of their products, right? We sold GOP three, but it's not approved, right? So legally, we have the right to do that. But we're not playing the game. We're at the end of this month, we're never going to sell another GOP again because we don't want them coming after us. But the problem is the compounders, and I won't name names, but you guys know some of these guys, they're, I mean, they got problems because they've got massive overheads, massive employees, and 80% of the revenue is coming from GOPs. And they're being told, again, from what I've been told, that they can't make it anymore. They will have to have expressed right from Lilly or from Novo or any of the giant manufacturers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, to make it. So the other side of the coin, and again, this is all what we've been told, I don't know if it actually comes true, is they are going to roll back, which is good for the clinical space, the class two restriction. So all the peptides are in class two right now, which is most of them, they're going to make them class one, which will mean that anybody can go get a peptide from their doctor. So that they will be legally able to be compounded at most pharmacies. The problem will be for the compounder, if 80% of your revenue comes from GLP, now you're going to have to scramble and you're going to have to try to market to your clients all these other peptides that you don't know anything about.

Speaker 4:
[45:40] Do you think that, because you guys are smart, do you guys think that someone's going to come out with a little bit of a different GLP?

Speaker 7:
[45:48] I already told you about Super Retta.

Speaker 4:
[45:49] Yeah, okay. Which will be totally different.

Speaker 7:
[45:52] Exactly, and it's a small molecule, so we don't compete with their compatins. And like I said, where I think this goes in the space is the smarter chemists and people in it are all in the small molecule route. Because again, pharma is like, we just want to own GLPs.

Speaker 6:
[46:08] What do you mean by that, by small molecule route? What is that versus big molecule route? What's the explanation?

Speaker 7:
[46:12] Yeah, no, so I mean, it's just like a technical term to saying you don't go down the GLP patent pathway and you just start working with all these novel agents that are out there now that are like in the biochemical space that are considered small molecules. Like for example, like Shred Max, like the Sloop is a small molecule, right? BioMind, like this non-J147, small molecule, right? The other ones are peptide, new pept is obviously a race to tan, but you've got all these different small molecules that do all these amazing things. And right now pharma, I mean, these are technically small molecules. I mean, they're peptide proteins, but pharma doesn't care about the patent pathways right now of a lot of these. They just care about the breadwinner, which is GLP-3.

Speaker 4:
[46:55] That's where all the money is.

Speaker 7:
[46:57] And I didn't tell you guys this, and I wanted to bring this up, but I'm writing a book, which is going to be my best book ever. It's called Metabolic Awakening with GLP peptides, and it's amazing. I mean, my writer has been in there for eight months, and I've been in there now for about two and a half months. And every time I get out of there, my brain is like spinning because I went through all the research. I can conclusively tell you guys this, this is going to be good for all the listeners. No one is getting side effects from GLP drugs. They're getting them from their lifestyle. I've looked at all the research. I've looked at the eyesight issues, gallbladder issues. I mean, everything, every possible conceivable side effect and it's all lifestyle related.

Speaker 6:
[47:37] Yeah, it's all because they're not strength training, eating enough protein, they're starving their body.

Speaker 7:
[47:40] And it's from pharma telling them exactly, giving them too much.

Speaker 6:
[47:46] It's all too much. Everybody that we've gone through in training, we've had to tell them to go back and talk to their doctor about...

Speaker 7:
[47:53] Try going lower. You guys, I'm going to send you, because nobody's seen this yet, because my copyrighter subscribes to the diabetic whatever, and they have this new thing. It's coming out in probably February or March, but it's a list of all the things that GLPs do good. It's the most mind blowing thing you've ever seen in your life. It corrects gambling. All these bad obsessive compulsive things that we do, it rewires.

Speaker 4:
[48:18] Do you think there's a fear, Jay, because it is working with the reward pathways, that there could be a negative side to that?

Speaker 7:
[48:24] I'm sure that there is, but I think again everything is dose related. If we do this, you guys know how to do it, to use them as microdoses tools, they're amazing. And imagine the small molecule stuff when we get to once a month or once every two months, how much better they'll be. It's conclusive that it's the dose, the dose response curve is what causes the side effects. If you start high and go higher, which is what Pharma wants, and which most doctors, and again you can't blame the docs.

Speaker 5:
[48:52] Is Pharma going to correct that ever, or they just have to entertain it?

Speaker 7:
[48:54] No, they're not. It's going to be up to us to correct the doctors, so the doctors learn. But you guys know, Dr. Tyna, there's a lot of doctors that already know, and they're doing a great job. But it's up to us and people like us to actually continue to be in the field and experimenting with the microdoses. But I'm telling you, and here's the craziest part, too, the research shows that the microdoses work. Because you know what the research shows? If you start them on a microdose, 95% of them maintain the weight loss. 95%! In all of the other studies, when you start high and go higher, it's less than 40%. So they all rebound, they all have thyroid issues, they all have muscle loss issues.

Speaker 6:
[49:34] If that research is out, it does not make sense to me why these companies put them in the preloaded, like why wouldn't they?

Speaker 7:
[49:40] Because it's about money, dude.

Speaker 6:
[49:41] Yeah, but wouldn't it be just as advantageous to keep them on it low dose over a long period of time?

Speaker 7:
[49:46] No, because they don't make as much money.

Speaker 4:
[49:48] It'll happen eventually.

Speaker 7:
[49:49] Yeah, it will, but right now it's just money. I mean, it literally is. I mean, you guys know this Trump, I mean, I don't want to say this because we're all fans, but like he, at this point right now, looks like he sold out to Lilly and Novo to give everybody the lower price through their insurance, but we all know. That's a whole other podcast. But seriously, once a fan, but think about this, why would you do that if you know, because we all know this from history, if you give complete price control to one or two companies, what happens?

Speaker 4:
[50:22] Yeah, it's stupid.

Speaker 7:
[50:23] No competition, it's insane. So I, the final, to give you, to spin around one more time to your big question, which is a very important question. I see lawsuits in 2026. I see the compounders saying, this is bullshit. You can't do this to us. This is literally antitrust. You're basically saying that Lilly and Novo and whatever other giant pharmaceutical manufacturer owns everything. It's a monopoly. Exactly. So like if you're Empower, Sean Norian, shout out to Sean, the owner of Empower, the biggest compounder in the country, who does very well and has thousands of employees. You know, Chris Bell works for Sean now. You know, he just called me yesterday. Like, that's not fair to them to say you can't make GLPs anymore.

Speaker 6:
[51:01] So does peptides become like marijuana in the 90s?

Speaker 7:
[51:05] It's a good question.

Speaker 6:
[51:07] So, I mean, just what was marijuana in the 90s? Well, what's going to be a billion dollar underground industry? Everybody was like, this shit ain't that bad.

Speaker 7:
[51:14] Well, I'll tell you what, it's a great question. Rick Collins just did an awesome post on Instagram about that because you've got all these doctors that are writing them. And by the way, when they went to class two and restricted, the smart doctors didn't care because they knew they could still write them as off-label as a script. But it's, you know, the younger normie quote unquote docs that don't understand the thing, oh, it's illegal. But it was never illegal. You just had to write a script and say, hey, I had to find a compounder that made it, right? And you guys know there's compounders that never shut it down.

Speaker 4:
[51:43] They're also going to kill innovation because if you limit it and say, these are the ones and they're going to be this cheap and there's no competition, now this rapid innovation into the GLP receptor, the money dries up. And the innovation, I think, is so important because it went from some aglutide to terzepotide to retetrotide and there's more that's out there.

Speaker 7:
[52:05] Oh, there's insane stuff. So that's my last chapter of the book. It's like what's coming and it's insane. I mean, Rutter Truetide, again, I think personally that it could be that, and you guys already know this, but I think it could be the drug that could end obesity. Obviously, we would have to get it to everyone, right? But it's one of those drugs that would help doing that, if you could get it to everyone. But there's stuff after Rutter Truetide, you guys. I'm not joking that I think Rutter Truetide will be a distant memory in two years, maybe 18 months. I mean, that's what's coming. I mean, like I said, this Super Rutter, imagine that, and then imagine taking Folistatin or something in that pathway and adding to it. So you would create super humans, you know what I mean? No, but I mean, you will, you'll create meta humans. We're gonna need to fight the AI. You're already doing that.

Speaker 5:
[52:53] You're gonna have to figure this out.

Speaker 4:
[52:54] I gotta tell you what's crazy is I have friends that compete in pro bodybuilder, and now they all use Retta.

Speaker 7:
[53:00] Yeah, they all use that.

Speaker 4:
[53:01] Pre-contest, and they're like, this is the easiest pre-contest of my life.

Speaker 7:
[53:04] But you guys remember, I told you that two years ago on our podcast. I said, Retta True Tide, when it first came out, and you guys thought I was probably even crazier than you think I am now, I was like, this will revolutionize bodybuilding. And it already has.

Speaker 6:
[53:16] And that's the hardest part of bodybuilding, is getting ready for that. If your diet was crushed naturally, and you can keep your muscle.

Speaker 7:
[53:22] I think it's better, what we don't talk about is, because you guys know how bad it is for women, right? They over diet, they crash their thyroid, and then they rebound and they get fat, and they never train again or exercise again. It's solving the women problem better than anything, because they don't have the food noise after. And so, they don't gorge and... Yes. Yes. So, it's a total game changer for women, and I hear that because I have so many women in my private membership group who tell me that red food diet changed their life, you know, competitors, because they don't rebound anymore.

Speaker 6:
[53:54] Yeah. I mean, I could see actually just using it. I've never... I didn't think about that. When I think back to all the ways I dieted, like, what a smart way to use it to reverse diet.

Speaker 7:
[54:03] Exactly. So, I actually wouldn't even be...

Speaker 6:
[54:05] Like, I probably wouldn't even use it in the competition.

Speaker 7:
[54:07] Yeah, you would do it towards the end.

Speaker 6:
[54:08] Yeah, but when I get off, I need to control the crazy rebound of aggressive eating.

Speaker 7:
[54:13] Well, dude, I would actually... Dude, you're so smart. I would actually say that you would even be better in that way anyway because you would put muscle on after.

Speaker 6:
[54:21] Right.

Speaker 7:
[54:22] You would permanently keep.

Speaker 6:
[54:23] Yes. Yes.

Speaker 7:
[54:24] No, it's a game changer.

Speaker 4:
[54:25] Red Hat's got some muscle building effects.

Speaker 6:
[54:27] It does.

Speaker 4:
[54:27] Because of its insulin-sensitive effects.

Speaker 7:
[54:29] It does. It does. Nutrient partitioning, insulin signaling, it 100% builds muscle.

Speaker 4:
[54:33] Or definitely preserving, that's for sure. Tell me about Clotho. What is Clotho? That's the other one I hear you talk about all the time.

Speaker 7:
[54:39] So Clotho is incredible. So first off, if we look into the research, I sent you guys the articles. Clotho comes from a Greek goddess of vitality. So these Japanese chemists discovered it in 1998 or 1999. Same time I met Dan Duchaine, by the way. How funny is that? Subsequently, since then, millions, if not hundreds of millions, probably billions have gone into researching it. How can we use this protein? It is an endocrine hormone, technically, but how can we use this to forestall aging and extend life? Because it's responsible for almost every single bio-energetic and cellular cascade in the world, right? From heart, sexual function, brain function, endothelial function. It's incredible. So Monica and I have been using it since the end of August. Our chemist gave it to us then. So I've technically now been on it for about close to four months. And it's very subtle. The thing that you will notice, especially being in a monogamous relationship, is that like your sex is like, what is going on? Because it's increasing endothelial sensitivity, right? So like three days after our first shot, we were just... I can't remember where we were at having sex, and I was like, what the fuck is going on? Like, but both of us, like we were like, you know, this is strange, or like she doesn't know me, or like... I mean, it was so insane. So since then, our sex has become amazing, like in the very beginning of our relationship, and we've been together for 14 years, right? So like every time we have sex now, we're like really looking forward to it. So like that's one of the noticeable things.

Speaker 4:
[56:15] Why do you stack it? Why is it with false status?

Speaker 7:
[56:17] Well, you don't have to. So anybody can use Clotho. And in fact, I would just say this, if you're 35 and older, you want Clotho. Cause if you look at the science, we start dropping our Clotho levels at 35. In fact, it literally goes from like, you lose like... It's like the testosterone decline, but it's greater. So it's like one and a half to 3% per year.

Speaker 6:
[56:36] Is it connected or any relation to like, if you were on HGH or you were on testosterone, does that Clotho level come up?

Speaker 7:
[56:42] No, no. So it's just an endocrine protein that affects aging and all the cellular cascades of aging. So if you take a tiny bit exogenously, as you get older, you will maintain a younger biological age. And I'm already noticing that. Like no lie, I just did a presentation at Hacker Health two weekends ago, and I only had 30 minutes, and I had an 86 slide deck. And I'm like, how am I going to do this? Right? And I went through it so fast, I figured in my mind, I was like speaking so fast that nobody in this audience even has a clue what I was saying. And all of a sudden I looked at the clock, and I got two minutes and 30 seconds for my 10 minutes of Q&A. And I'm like, oh my God, I just went through an 86 slide deck. So when I got out, I'm like, okay, I must be thinking, like, I went so fast, nobody understood it. And everybody came up to me like, whoa, bro, that was amazing. And I was like, was I too fast? So, I think your brain, the clock's beat, it's improving your brain, too. I will tell you guys this, the one other thing that I've noticed about how amazing it is, in the four months and a week that I've been on it, not had a single morning I woke up depressed. Not one day that I woke up where I was like, ah, you know, I'm just, because we all have those ups and downs and those ebbs and flows, but that's one of the other things it does, it improves well-being. So, it does so many things. I mean, this really is the fountain of youth molecule. Now, you got to be careful, because there's other companies out there that are selling this. There's people in the clinical space selling it, and they're selling it between five to 10 times more expensive than us, monthly, right? Like, right now, and we're out of the follow-statin, but you can get a month's supply of this for 380 bucks. So, we had tons of people buy this for an entire year. I bought it from a whole year from my life.

Speaker 4:
[58:19] There's one peptide that's supposed to be good for telomere, late phytoncide, epithelon. Yeah, so how does it compare to epithelon for epithelon?

Speaker 7:
[58:25] Way better. And they're like, don't get me wrong, it's just not noticeable.

Speaker 4:
[58:29] Yeah, I've used it.

Speaker 7:
[58:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is noticeable. Like you want to take this because you feel the end, where you really feel is the endothelial sensitivity, right? So you get better erections. Like my wife stays wetter, faster. And again, for people in their 50s, this is a serious thing. You know what I mean? And I can't imagine what it's like for people in 60s, 70s, 80s. So this is without a doubt a billion dollar product. Our chemist told me this. He started telling me this in April of this year. At that point, it was just like, whatever dude, that sounds cool. But then we started using it and I'm like, oh my God, right? So there'll be other versions, I would assume, and other companies will reverse engineer this and it will come out. And by the way, it's the same 19 day album and binder in this product that he has in the follow stack. So he's just a genius.

Speaker 4:
[59:16] So very infrequent.

Speaker 7:
[59:18] Twice a month. In fact, you don't want to inject too much of clotho, like more is not better because we only have a tiny bit amount from our cellular cascade standpoint anyway. So it's like, I think, and I'm going from memory, but I'm pretty sure that the human adult male or female is the same. It has anywhere from like 8 to 15 micrograms plasma concentration over a seven day period. So this is just 10 micrograms every two weeks. So it's technically five a week. So you're just slightly bumping where you would be.

Speaker 4:
[59:49] And that's all you need because it dramatically improves cellular When you work with people, Jay, you must have a lot of fun when you work with the bodybuilder cosmonauts, because you get to push the limits and have a lot of fun with that. What do you learn from working with people like that? Just what the upper limits are of?

Speaker 7:
[60:07] I mean, yeah. Yeah. So it's a good question. You don't work with these products, like 10 milligrams, like follow us that and just to switch. 10 milligrams is the most you want to go, like to really push the limits.

Speaker 4:
[60:19] Yeah. Because what happens if you take more?

Speaker 7:
[60:21] Well, if you take more, you just won't get more of an effect. Got it. Because of the saturation, right? Because of the way it binds at saturation. Now, that's not to say that if somebody did take 15 a week, that they might gain more muscle faster. But over time, the way it saturates and binds, you're not going to see that much more.

Speaker 6:
[60:40] Is it not relative to the size, like the difference of 130-pound woman versus a 250-pound bodybuilder?

Speaker 7:
[60:47] For follow-up, it would be for a woman would take less, for sure. But let's just say you get to 200 pounds as a man, it's all going to be the same. Now, if you maybe had a 300-pound bodybuilder, maybe they could go up a little bit. But again, the way it binds actually to androgen receptors and the way it's going to has a 19-day plasma half-life, there's a certain level where you're saturated. And so you won't get that much. But to your question, I definitely have people that push the envelope. I think where we're going with small molecules, and obviously just newer and newer, because there's novel peptides coming out now too. There's like a cancer-killing peptide. It's impossible to get it. I've recently, I'm sure you guys have, but I haven't personally until recently, but I've been experimenting with cerebral isin. Oh my God, cerebral isin is absolutely amazing. I might have injected it this morning.

Speaker 4:
[61:39] I'm guessing it's for the brain.

Speaker 7:
[61:40] Oh my God. With the name. Well, so here's what's so crazy about cerebral isin. You cannot sell it as a research company. You cannot sell it as a pharmacy. They will come and shut you down, padlock your door, arrest you and put you in jail. I'm not joking. And the reason they say that is because it comes from pigs. It's porcine. That's how they make it. But if you look at the DNA of a pig and you compare it to the DNA of a human, it's almost like an anatomical blueprint. Yes, it's insane. Which is another podcast, probably.

Speaker 4:
[62:08] It is another podcast. We don't want to go down that pigs are filthy animals that root in shit.

Speaker 7:
[62:17] Think of Samuel L. Jackson. But no, it is amazing. I just started using it a week ago. Our friend who I won't mention gave it to me and he's like, bro, you got to start taking this. And so it's a 60-milligram vial and both my wife and I have been taking it. We've actually only had three injections. Today was my third. It's dude. They actually give it on, they actually have it on EMT trucks in the Balkan countries. When somebody has a heart attack or they have an aneurysm or they have an event, what do you call it, a sclerotic event, they give them a giant IV of this stuff because it prevents damage to the brain. That's how amazing it is. So yes, so like all of us should literally be on cerebral isin. Why we're not, again, blame the pharmaceutical companies, blame whoever is in control of the United States, but I mean, it's absolutely amazing. Yeah, I've only had three shots. You injected IAM, it's water, you know, it's like a normal aqueous-based peptide, but you want to inject it into the vasculature to get effect right away, but I'm not kidding you. My first injection was on today's Tuesday. Friday, did one Sunday, did one this morning, and my first injection within 30 minutes, I was like.

Speaker 6:
[63:26] You sound smarter today.

Speaker 7:
[63:28] It's not even that.

Speaker 6:
[63:29] It's not the smarter.

Speaker 7:
[63:30] You think it's smarter, it's well-being. It's doing weird things in your head that makes you feel better. You actually just have this sense of everything is awesome.

Speaker 6:
[63:40] I have a left field question for you. How does a guy like you find someone like Monica 14 years ago, willing to be a guinea pig like you and try all these things?

Speaker 7:
[63:50] How did you find her? Dude, it's honestly a miracle. This is so weird with Katrina's mom and the whole stuff. We just had a woman that came and spent time with us. She's from Southern California too.

Speaker 6:
[64:02] Were you spiritual before her? Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[64:05] She made me much more spiritual.

Speaker 6:
[64:08] I didn't even really know that about her or you until all that.

Speaker 7:
[64:11] Yeah. I always have been in that path. Obviously, both of us were raised Catholics, so we had that whole Abrahamic Catholic stuff. In the background, we were more into, I would call it, the spiritual. I don't know really what it is. We have love in us. By the way, props to you guys for taking a stand on that now. I know you guys are doing a lot of that stuff, and that's awesome. If we want to talk about that, we can. This woman came for us for Thanksgiving, and she brought her machine. I forget what it is. It's some sort of machine that measures the bio-energetic wave of the person. They can tell if you're in trauma, if you have a lot of trauma energy, or if you're balanced and centered. She ran our energy, and she's like, I've done 1,600 people in my life, and you and your wife have the exact same match. Oh, wow. And so I was like, This was the first date? This was on, she ran us on Thanksgiving Day. And she ran Monica in the morning, and I was like, that's BS. Like, you must have, you probably didn't, maybe it just took the same inputs. And she's like, no, I literally shut the machine down, and I unplugged it, and I reran it. And you guys had the same three attributes that it measures. And again, it's measuring, you know, you could probably say it's kind of a woo-woo machine, but it does measure your bio-energetic signal.

Speaker 4:
[65:30] It's not like Dianetics, is it?

Speaker 7:
[65:31] No, no, no, no, no. This machine, this machine's like $26,000 machine. It's a serious machine, and it measures your waves and stuff like that, right? So anyway, we each have the same thing.

Speaker 6:
[65:41] The energy that your body emits, right?

Speaker 7:
[65:42] 100%, 100%. We know that. But it also gives you a qualitative of like, this energy is saying that you're here, and you're here, and you're here. She said, she had never seen two people that had the exact three top qualities that she measured. And she also measured everybody at the House of My Daughters. Monica's sister was there. We had a couple friends. And so everybody had different things. But she's like, you guys are so in sync that you had the same three things. I was like, that's pretty weird.

Speaker 6:
[66:11] How far into the relationship was it at that point?

Speaker 7:
[66:13] Well, this is brand new. So, but we're 14 years. So she just did this on Thursday.

Speaker 6:
[66:17] Oh, you're telling me this just happened?

Speaker 7:
[66:18] Oh, that's interesting. So, so weird because we're like, I mean, I didn't believe it.

Speaker 6:
[66:22] Well, I mean, it's crazy when you share that of all the stuff that she's willing to do. It's just like, yes, yes.

Speaker 7:
[66:28] Well, so, I mean, like I really honestly do feel like we probably shared a past live or past experience or something. Our souls, you know, met up.

Speaker 6:
[66:37] How did you meet? How did you originally meet?

Speaker 7:
[66:38] match.com.

Speaker 6:
[66:39] Shut up.

Speaker 7:
[66:41] Monica has told this story, but it's incredible. She basically was with her girlfriend and their kids. They're both divorcees and they were in Hawaii and they did the whole bottle thing of like what I want to meet in a man and they put it and threw it out into the ocean. And then she came home. She flew back from, they were in Waikiki and she flew home and she sent a message to like 20 guys on match.com. And she's like, and she canceled her account. And she gave her a real email address and I was the only person that responded. This is in 2012. And I was like, dude, I was so in the ego mind and such a bad, not where I am now spiritually. I was literally like on my match.com profile. It was like, if you do not look like a 10 in a bikini, do not respond to me. That's how whacked I was. Of course you did. If you are not a 10 in a bikini, do not respond to me. That's how whacked I was, right? So she actually wrote an e-mail back to me, and this was fascinating. She didn't have a picture of herself other than mock turtleneck with her daughter. I mean, I could tell she was an attractive woman, but I was like, this is so weird. So anyway, I responded to her, and her and I met at match.com, I mean, at a restaurant in Pasadena, California, Conrad's, which is now gone. Literally, I just met her and sat down at the table and just threw all my crap at her for 30 minutes, thinking that she would be like, get up and say, all right, bro, I'm out of here. And she was like, oh, that's interesting. Here's my story. And then I was like, I was like enamored at how spiritually advanced she was. Because I had been meeting, and of course I'm attracting the worst people because I'm a mess. But like, I just met nothing but women that were a disaster. And I meet her and she's just like this, I'm like, holy shit. Like I really was so broken, but I was into like learning from her, like how to become like her. Because she was so centered, so balanced, so calm. You know, and she was coming out of a divorce too. And she had three kids and stuff. And so everything attempted to destroy our relationship in the first six months, because I lived in Studio City. You guys, I was living in a 220 foot studio apartment. Just coming out of a divorce, I was destroyed. I mean, you know, I was put in jail. My kids were kidnapped from me. Everything that could go wrong was bad. And she lived in San Dimas.

Speaker 4:
[68:54] I got to know why he went to jail. I didn't know he went to jail.

Speaker 7:
[68:56] Oh dude, that story is incredible. Yeah, no, no. I'll just tell you the whole story. So my ex was dating an ex-sheriff without me knowing when I was working. And they cocked up a scheme to put me in jail. What?

Speaker 4:
[69:13] Wait, how do they catch?

Speaker 6:
[69:14] Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, so she's dating the sheriff post you.

Speaker 7:
[69:20] No, no, no. We're together.

Speaker 6:
[69:22] You're together and she's cheating on you with the sheriff. And he's like, I got an idea how we get rid of this knucklehead.

Speaker 7:
[69:29] He was an ex-sheriff. He was actually now a, like, him and his partner had a fitness photography thing. I won't tell you who they are, but you guys probably know who they are.

Speaker 4:
[69:39] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[69:40] And because they're pretty well known. And anyway, they were carrying this on, and I came back from a corporate meeting in Chicago and I went to bed. We were living in Las Vegas at the time and I woke up with Las Vegas Metro, Mr. Campbell.

Speaker 4:
[69:53] What were the charges?

Speaker 7:
[69:55] I beat her up for domestic violence or something like that. Just made up. But that put me back. I mean, I lost my standing as a corporate wage slave, which was obviously for the good because I ended up meeting Monica like nine or 10 months later, but I had my kids kidnapped from me. My daughters were only 18 months. My youngest is 18 and my oldest was about three and a half. Oh my gosh. No, no, no. So it was a disaster. I mean, I literally had to rebuild my life completely. I mean, I lost my job over it. You know, I had the charges. I had a record so I couldn't get a job back in my industry. And I was a very accomplished guy in the digital automotive marketing world. You know, this is all the way up until I was 42. So this happened. So it happened when I was 41. And then the whole like effect was lasting for a year. And then I met Monica when I was 42, when I was forced to come back to Southern California because I couldn't get a job. I couldn't pass a background check, you know, because all the things are on me. It took four years for me to suppress my record and to do all the things I had to do because I had community service and I had to deal with all this stuff. But it was all fabricated. All the stuff was suppressed. My wife actually admitted it to me, which was crazy because she wanted it. The ex-wife, excuse me. And by the way, we're totally amicable and she's done a good job.

Speaker 6:
[71:10] You're amicable with her after all that?

Speaker 7:
[71:12] I mean, it was very tough in the beginning. But as you know, forgiveness is a big thing. It takes a very, very spiritually sound and centered and balanced person to forgive.

Speaker 6:
[71:23] You're right.

Speaker 7:
[71:24] And as you guys know, forgiveness is not for them, it's for you. And that's what people don't understand, right? It's always for you.

Speaker 4:
[71:32] Holding a grudge is swallowing poison to kill the other person.

Speaker 7:
[71:35] Exactly. So I forgave her even though in the first two years it was like, I remember attempting to explain to my friends and my inner circle people who didn't believe me.

Speaker 6:
[71:45] I had that.

Speaker 7:
[71:46] Because the charges, you had the picture. I got into a fight one year after that with one of my brothers at Christmas because he came in and showed my mugshot. He's like, oh, you must be such a winner. And I was like, why are you doing that? And he's like, because you're a tool or something like that. I just turned and just, I hit him so hard, like knocked over the Christmas tree. Oh my God. It was awesome.

Speaker 6:
[72:11] Oh, I mean, I would probably, I mean, that would make you, I mean, to be accused of something like that.

Speaker 7:
[72:15] The next three years of my life was insane.

Speaker 6:
[72:17] Yeah, I bet.

Speaker 7:
[72:18] I didn't have my kids. And so when I met Monica and I gave her that whole story and she found out that I didn't have my kids and I was a disaster and that, you know, I mean, it devastated me to lose my daughters. I mean, I, of course, and very truthfully for one year, the only time I heard from them was when she would call me or text me at the end of the night. She never called me. She'd text me. She might leave me a message, a voice message, and she says, where's my money? Right? And my attorney at the time, because of all the charges that were against me, told me, he's like, you can't respond. You can't call because they can just reopen the charges and go after you. So I think you guys probably have a ton of men in your audience that have gone through the family court system and had these tape of, it's called, what do you call it? Domestic violence, DV, charges, because a lot of them are made up. And in Vegas, in Nevada, when it happened, the rule is or the law is they have to arrest, if they come out, they have to arrest the biggest person. So my ex was a tiny little ex fitness model. But she wasn't there anyway. They planned this, took my two daughters in the middle of the night, and then the cops came.

Speaker 6:
[73:22] Were you able to rekindle your relationship with your kids or to destroy that?

Speaker 7:
[73:26] No. Well, man, it would make me cry if I told you guys this, but when I first saw my baby girl a year later, she was crying. She didn't know who I was, and that was, oh my God, that was unbelievable. But yeah, we have an amazing relationship now. I ended up raising them. So this is the cool thing about Monica. So once I told Monica the story, and we were dating, she said, we're going to get the kids back, and they're going to be living with you in a year. And I was like, okay, woo woo woman. Okay. You know, like I totally doubted her 11 months. We had them back. Shut up. And we met my ex and convinced her like the kids, the girls were going to be much better with me and her. And, and my ex was a broken person, way, way more broken at that point, even than I was because that guy had of course dumped her. Right. So she's now living in Florida with the two girls and she doesn't have much money and you know, just out of spite, she was keeping them from me. So once Monica met her, we had them. And so then we ended up raising them from, they were four and a half, well, no, technically almost five. And Gabby, the youngest, was like three. And so we raised them in Southern California until then, until we ended up sending them, when I met you guys back, remember I told you that I was sending them back to Florida because the whole letter I got from Gavin Newsom about, where you know you're, we know you're homeschooling your daughters and if we find out if the homeschooler is not VAX, you're committing a felony, blah, blah, blah. So to her credit, me and my ex, she stepped up when we sent them back to live with them in Florida.

Speaker 6:
[75:00] Bro, that's so rad that you are, wow, that's rad. I did not know that.

Speaker 7:
[75:05] Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, everything happens for a reason. You guys know that, man. You know, you know, God puts obstacles. I mean, that's why we're here, right? We're here to evolve and grow our souls and it's like, you can choose to grow and evolve through the contrast or you can just, you know, detach and become a victim and so many people do, right? And that's why, like, I had to learn to forgive and I had so many of my friends were like, how can you forgive her? I'm like, bro, how can I not? Right? Like, that's why we're here. We're here to forgive people. Yes, you can be hurt and you can be blinded and you can be, you know, affronted and clearly I did things that got me there. Yeah. You know, I was not the best person. I was living in a pure ego mind. I was a bad person. I mean, I take total full ownership of all the bad things I did, but that happening to me, I didn't think I deserved, but I learned that, you know what, it was part of the process. And so I evolved through that. I met this amazing woman who helped raise my daughters. Both of my daughters are very advanced, you know, souls and girls now. My 18-year-old is, she got a 1480 on her SAT. Wow. You know, so she's brilliant, you know, off the charts, has full scholarships everywhere. And then my sophomore is not as smart, you know, on paper, but she's very advanced too. And so both of them really learned from me and Monica, and they got really awesome upbringing.

Speaker 6:
[76:24] That's a badass that she called that in 11 months later, you had it.

Speaker 7:
[76:27] Dude, it's incredible.

Speaker 6:
[76:28] I mean, that's like such a rare story.

Speaker 7:
[76:30] Totally.

Speaker 6:
[76:31] I mean, especially when you figure your record, you being the dad, like, and that's why.

Speaker 7:
[76:37] I had to tell Monica that, hey, because her brother's an LAPD cop, and he was a detective with Rampart, right? Like downtown in the worst division of LA. And I said, you know, because I know, I knew he would run my record.

Speaker 6:
[76:50] Sure.

Speaker 7:
[76:50] And so I told her from day one, it was like, because she told me she had a cop. And I said, oh, well, just so you know, here's the full disclosure. And he did. And he was messaging her, are you sure you want to be with this guy? You know, so there was a lot to overcome, but you know what, it was worth it. And she also was coming out of a horrible divorce too. And her ex was a total, how do you want to say it? He was like the parental alienation syndrome dad who pitted all their kids, because she had three kids from him. And she pitted, there was the one middle son, and he didn't talk to her for seven years. So while we were together, he would not come around, because he kept telling them that Monica was just going through a midlife crisis. And she would eventually come back to him, even though we had already living together and married. So yeah, it was a very interesting time. But there's no doubt that I think Monica and I came together for a very, very spiritual purpose. And obviously now with our community and all the people that we're working with and helping, it's all worked out perfect because we have that experience to really sound off on.

Speaker 4:
[77:53] Good for you, man. It's always fun having you around, bro. Thanks, man. So when can we expect Falstatton?

Speaker 7:
[77:59] I mean, you guys honestly are going to have Falstatton and Clotho probably within the next 7 to 10 days. I mean, if I have it on Thursday, I'll just have it mailed to you guys.

Speaker 4:
[78:06] Please. Yeah, I'll talk about it.

Speaker 7:
[78:08] No, you guys definitely, definitely want to have it. And we didn't talk about any of these products, but for sure, definitely try the Shred Max. I got one of these for you too. Because he won't take it. But you guys, for sure, for sure, the BioMind. Oh, and no, no, this one too.

Speaker 4:
[78:25] What do we got here?

Speaker 7:
[78:26] That's the BioAmp Max. When you guys train.

Speaker 4:
[78:29] I see the ingredients.

Speaker 7:
[78:30] Well, just open it. All of you guys take it before you guys lift, because that, you'll be like, whoa.

Speaker 4:
[78:35] Yeah, you don't mess around. That's for sure. For sure. It's always great.

Speaker 6:
[78:39] Always a good time.

Speaker 7:
[78:40] Guys, I love you.

Speaker 6:
[78:41] Looking forward to our party this weekend.

Speaker 7:
[78:42] Yeah, for sure. Thank you so much for having me, as always.

Speaker 8:
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