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Speaker 1:
[00:00] I was on the run for suiting somebody, and DMX still chose to sign me and embrace me.

Speaker 2:
[00:06] Look, I'mma with him, I can't not with him.

Speaker 1:
[00:08] You know what, look, he wanna laugh, you hear me? He always wanna laugh, right? Because I told the deal, I told him, look, my first deal, I told him it was for 10,000 dollars in a bag of guns, right? He didn't get stabbed.

Speaker 2:
[00:35] Start it off, Murda, let's get to this shit. We ain't gonna around.

Speaker 1:
[00:38] Let's go.

Speaker 2:
[00:38] Tell me what I can say, what I can't say.

Speaker 1:
[00:40] Close that door. Man, you can say what the you want, Dee.

Speaker 3:
[00:42] You can say whatever you want, man.

Speaker 1:
[00:43] You can say what you want.

Speaker 2:
[00:44] Don't worry about that, you know, I'm good. I've been in a lot of cases of that. Most of the time I did already, so I already did the time.

Speaker 1:
[00:52] You did the time? Now this is a statue of a limitation.

Speaker 3:
[00:55] Dee, talk about that, man. Let's, we saw on the show different, no intro. We got Ruff Ryders.

Speaker 1:
[01:00] We got Dee from Ruff Ryders in this mother f**ker. You heard a legend.

Speaker 3:
[01:04] Make some noise, yo.

Speaker 2:
[01:05] Look, man, you already know, man. We in the building, man. I only come, let me tell you how this s**t go for real, Murda. This is what I really wanna tell you.

Speaker 1:
[01:11] Let's go, talk to me, Dee.

Speaker 2:
[01:12] You ain't gotta waste no time. I don't even like f**king around with s**t that ain't been arrested before. At least I know we crossed the means. It's on the upcoming, that's just part of the hood.

Speaker 1:
[01:23] Yeah, you better believe it.

Speaker 3:
[01:24] Why do you say that?

Speaker 2:
[01:25] I mean, because niggas don't care and relate to you. A lot of be standing in front and they ain't gonna do nothing. All the s**t they talking about.

Speaker 1:
[01:32] They be capping, man, straight fry.

Speaker 2:
[01:34] I mean, I look at all the podcasts and I'm good with it. But I know a lot of s**t ain't gonna do half of it. They say all they didn't do.

Speaker 1:
[01:41] Do it, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[01:42] I could ride with that, I could ride with that. But I'm good with it because you get your money how you get it. I prayed for a lot of s**t technically. I was hoping God did come up with something other than selling crack and dope, because that was the only way he was getting it back then. So we came up with music and it was more like a blessing.

Speaker 1:
[01:57] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[01:57] So I was hoping something like this would take place because there wasn't no other way to get money for us in the hood, unless we was outside on a block and getting chased with cops and all type of bulls**t every day. So this is a blessing for us all, technically.

Speaker 3:
[02:10] So tell the YNs that don't know, because Ruff Ryders is one of the biggest labels ever created. You know what I'm saying? One of the biggest brands ever, DMX, Swizz Beatz, Eve, the LOX. The list goes on and on for hits that came out of Ruff Ryders. Uncle Murda?

Speaker 2:
[02:26] Murda too.

Speaker 1:
[02:27] Whoa, definitely man, definitely.

Speaker 3:
[02:29] I'm a bad Murda.

Speaker 1:
[02:30] Definitely, come on man.

Speaker 2:
[02:32] I couldn't really get him running like I wanted to.

Speaker 1:
[02:36] I was on the run for shooting somebody, and DMX still chose to motherf**ker sign me and embrace me.

Speaker 2:
[02:42] Look, I'm going to f**k with him. I can't not f**k with him.

Speaker 1:
[02:44] You know what? He want to laugh. You hear me? He always want to laugh because I told him the deal. I told him the deal was for 10,000 dollars in the bag of guns. So, I always want to laugh when I say that. I said, do you know how official that is? Like, a n***a on the run, and I go holla at Dee, and I let him know my situation. I'm like, yo, look Dee, first of all, we go to High 97, shout out to my uncle Pete, because I'm on the run, we hear the LOX on the radio. I'm like, yo, damn, if anybody can relate to the s**t I'm going through, it gotta be Ruff Ryders and the LOX, the s**t they was talking. I'm like, it gotta be them. So we go to the radio station, I spit some s**t for Dee and them, I catch them as soon as they come outside of Flex, I spit some s**t for Dee and them, Styles Pete grabbed me like, oh, damn, this n***a is the truth. Dee like, I'm f**king with this n***a. Dee put me in the van, he like, so what's going on with you? I'm like, well, I got a little situation, Dee. I'm like, yo, I'm on the run for shooting somebody, man, but um, and Dee was like, nothing to him. So what you think the n***a gon tell? I'm like, well, he shoot people too. I'm like, so he shouldn't actually tell when he get better, but he just thought he was gon die to time. Dee like, well, all right, f**k it, then we rolling.

Speaker 4:
[03:53] Come on, you rolling with me.

Speaker 1:
[03:54] Just kept me rolling with him. At that time, I was just young, I was in the studio watching DMX, Eve and the LOX and all them just working. Dee used to just have me around. So that was just to get to that, because he always try to laugh about me getting 10 bands and guns. Yeah, it was alone. It was alone.

Speaker 3:
[04:09] They gave you a loan. It's 10 bands and some guns.

Speaker 1:
[04:12] Nobody doing that if a nigga's on the run. You're already a risk. You're on the run from the police and they don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 3:
[04:17] But they real, they afraid of him and his brother, they not regulate sex.

Speaker 1:
[04:20] Salute to my Y2. Salute to Y2.

Speaker 3:
[04:23] Explain to people where you from and how Ruff Ryders the empire started.

Speaker 2:
[04:29] Look, I'm from the hood like everybody else is from the hood. But like I always tell people, everybody from the hood, but that don't mean you from the hood. You might have lived in the hood. You ain't did nothing in the hood. I don't know you for nothing in the hood. You lived in that building that's it. Far as me knowing, you did anything. Don't make it look like you act about it. You ain't did nothing. You live in that building. I could co-sign that. You ain't coming out that building unless you going down the block.

Speaker 1:
[04:57] You better believe it.

Speaker 2:
[04:58] I know you live here. I ain't saying you don't live here, but I know you ain't doing nothing other than living in and out. You ain't staying here.

Speaker 1:
[05:05] You ain't out here with us. No pay.

Speaker 2:
[05:07] No type of work. So that's just a part of what you got to go through when you grow up. It's not like we chose it. It's just what it is. Wherever we move or wherever we put at, that's where we got to survive at. So that's just a part of the everyday living. And you're not there because you want to be there. You're there because you have to be there, which means for the youth, now you got to figure out how you're going to work your way to get out of there. Right. You stuck. We wasn't asked to be put in this building. Your mother and father put you in that building. I don't know nothing about where I'm at. I'm just here. And you get out there, three get shot on the block and they ain't got nothing to do with you, but you there. You know? Definitely. I didn't ask to move here. So, you know, I was in that type of situation growing up too because I know, you know, it's either, what does it say? Either kill or be killed. That's what it's going to be. They explain, they showing it every day. When you come outside, you see what you're doing through. So, you know, you got to take, you were going to adapt or get ran up out of there every day. So, you know, I just probably caught my first bit probably like when I was about 15, probably just turning 16, caught a bit. I think it was a robbery and we got caught whatever it was. All them niggas told and I got caught because they came to my crib because I had the hammer. But we wound up doing a little light bit and getting out of that. But that's just all for you to know that that's not what you want to do. Because everybody go through it but you got to find, you got a talent, you just got to know what it is and tap into it. You know what I'm saying? Because if anybody been, I'm probably the worst of the worst. Oh, I know. The worst of the worst and I come from, yeah, a lot of people did it like this. When I was out in the street, I didn't even really hustle where I was from. You know what I'm saying? I didn't hustle, I'm my block, I didn't hustle because you good on your block, you good at that. I probably went, I used to go out of town to hustle. So when you go out of town, know that you gotta know everybody hate New York on. We just the most hated for whatever. We ain't did shit to nobody but I guess it's our swag, our style and whatever it is and we fucking a lot of the bitches so that's gonna cause a lot of conflict.

Speaker 3:
[07:17] Well, you went out of town because I know Brooklyn go to Binghamton and I'm from Queens. We go every Queens made 50, we went to Pennsylvania. That's where we was at. PA. PA was our spot.

Speaker 2:
[07:28] PA was money.

Speaker 1:
[07:29] For us to be upstakes, connected, the Orbeez, that's where Brooklyn we go.

Speaker 3:
[07:32] Yeah, I saw Binghamton, y'all Brooklyn go.

Speaker 2:
[07:35] I don't went to so many difference. I was in Connecticut. I was in motherfucking North Carolina. I was in DC, 14th and W. You had to be on 14th and W. But that ain't where I really got the money at. When I really got the money, see, cause you got no DC and Baltimore is close. So I went there and then we wound up in Baltimore. So I probably been there the longest. So I probably got the most done there. So, you know, that's like my second home out of all the places I went. I ain't stayed long, but there I probably stayed the longest and I got the most out of that area. So, you know, that's more like where I'm from technically. If I ain't from New York, I'm from Baltimore.

Speaker 1:
[08:11] Got you.

Speaker 2:
[08:12] And they display, they work real quick.

Speaker 1:
[08:14] Definitely. Be more here to lay business. Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[08:17] Shout out to people.

Speaker 1:
[08:18] Shout out to my boy YG Tech.

Speaker 3:
[08:20] That's my guy. They got the mayor cleaning up a little bit out there now. Shout out to the black young mayor.

Speaker 2:
[08:25] Yeah, they're doing the right thing. You know, but you couldn't, I think... I was... let me tell you, I was in the halfway house, right? So, I was just finishing... I was finishing a fed bed. So, I had a fed bed, so I did it, boom. So, I'm getting ready to come up. But I'm in the halfway house, but I'm in Brooklyn. My halfway house was in Brooklyn, somewhere in Brooklyn. I was over there, so I used to get out on the weekend. They used to let me come out, and my would be like, yo, what's up? I'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They'd be like, yo, I got a spot. I'd be like, where it's at? I'm in that way. I said, when I get out on the weekend, take me shoot straight there. We're gonna shoot straight there, and we're gonna come right back. shout us over there, went over there, checked, said, okay, this is where the money's at. So, that's how I wound up going over there, because one of my main guys, he was home, he took me over there, and there was money over there, you know? So, there's always money in different places other than here, because what we're giving you is the dime, the is paying $20 for it, so we doubling up, you know what I'm saying? That's how we get to the money, if it's moving like that, so. You know, and then when you go through all them things in your life, it's called survival. When we're young, we ain't survival more, because we fucked up, we ain't got no money, your mom's pops ain't got no money, everybody's, you know, you're just trying to figure it out. So, I thought in my life, in my age, I said, you know, I knew at a point I had to take a risk. It was either take the risk or else you're going to starve and be broke and y'all going to be fucked up and that's going to be the end of that. So, I was like, fuck it, I'm going to have to take the hit, whatever the hit going to be. I don't know what it's going to be exactly, but it's going to be a hit, definitely. So, in your mind, as long as you tell your mind that you willing to deal with whatever going to go wrong or right, then you good. When you start talking this stupid shit like this, why ain't you trying to go to jail, Then why you in this car?

Speaker 1:
[10:09] Don't start talking that shit. Don't start talking that stupid shit.

Speaker 3:
[10:12] Get the out the car like me.

Speaker 2:
[10:15] I ain't trying to go to jail. Then why you in this car? you don't have to be in this pullover, let that out. You already told me. That's just the sign of saying, I'm telling. That's all you gotta say. Let the car, let them out. You ain't gotta stay in the car, get out.

Speaker 3:
[10:28] Real shit though.

Speaker 2:
[10:29] That's when you come up, you gotta know all the signs. If you're not willing to go to jail, you're not willing to do whatever you gotta do to keep yourself alive, then you don't need to play with them streets. You know what I'm saying? So, and that was back in the day when I was out there, but now it's so many different avenues and so many other things that we could do to make the same amount of money even more than it was made outside on the street.

Speaker 3:
[10:50] So how did that hustle turn to Ruff Ryders? Cause we, for people that don't know about the beginning, everybody know about Ruff Ryders, one of the biggest brands out of New York City. You know what I'm saying? Legendary. You know what I'm saying? How did that start?

Speaker 2:
[11:04] Well, what happened was we was hustling, but my brother was doing, he was on another side, I was on the other side, he wound up getting DMX and getting into the music. And I don't know if he was around there.

Speaker 1:
[11:15] I was not there. Not that early, nah.

Speaker 2:
[11:18] So he wound up getting X and I'm still outside doing what I'm doing. And he was like, yo, boom, boom, yo, I think we should, I was like, all right, you know, sounds good, but you go ahead and I'll figure it out as we go. So what happened was I said, you know what, fuck it, let me go because I'm getting hot. You know, I probably just got arrested a couple of more times, the feds on me here so they with me every day. So I said, you know what, I'm going to have to try something else because you got to know when to say, you got to switch it because you see that you get ready to go to jail or else. So I was like, fuck it, let me just try something different. My brother-in-law was already playing with it a little bit. So I just came back and was like, fuck it, I'm going to just go over here and focus on this. So when I got into it, I was just learning the business because I don't know nothing about music other than but listening to the shit. I hear the music and that's all I know. But I wound up eventually knowing it and understanding it. And then I figured it out and then I just started doing albums. You know what I'm saying? Like I just probably did like 15 albums in eight years. So I was on top of it after I focused. Because what you could do is, if you are hustling, you're outside hustling, you used to use that same hustler formula and put it to the positive, same grind, but doing something positive. So I just did, I just kept doing albums. I was doing albums like clockwork and I was just hustling, but it was the same hustle. Like if I was outside on my block, I was hustling 24 hours, you come in, I got the day shift, we got the night, we just keep on moving. That was the same mentality I brought to the music. So that's how I was able to knock out all them albums.

Speaker 1:
[12:54] It's funny you say that, right? Because we was talking about this not too long ago, you and me, we had 50 minutes back, the year with DMX dropped two albums. And that was like kind of unheard of back then.

Speaker 2:
[13:04] Back then.

Speaker 1:
[13:05] And both of them since did numbers.

Speaker 3:
[13:07] Yeah, because DMX went diamond.

Speaker 1:
[13:09] Yeah, he went crazy that year with both of them albums.

Speaker 2:
[13:12] And did another five million. Well, let me tell you the trick with X, I ain't tell nobody this one, but this is the one. This is the crazy part. So, he used to be on my block when I was hustling in Baltimore. So, I got him with me, you know, he doing what he do. He ain't really hustling, he just on the block. I got to keep him with me so he don't crash out. So, I said, all right, fuck it, cool. So, one day I'm talking to the and I'm like, so, you remember when we put that thing over there? About a couple, he said, you talking about those things? I said, yeah, the other thing. You remember? He said, yeah. I said, damn, I was like three years ago. You remember that? He said, yeah, I remember that. I said, okay. Then I figured out, this is the crazy part. He got a selective memory, meaning he can't forget. When he do something, he cannot forget. So, I said, all right, cool. So, every day he used to come on my block. I used to be like, here, every rhyme you give me, I give you $100. I give him $100, I give him $100. So, time go by, he brought up all the rhymes. So, every rhyme he ever knew, he didn't have to write it. I just knew, if you could say three bars, he gonna be like, I remember that rhyme. He go right in there and say it. So, I had 20 songs already done. So, that's how I was able to do the two albums, because he already had them in his head. He don't forget the rhymes.

Speaker 1:
[14:28] Look at that.

Speaker 2:
[14:29] I already had the songs.

Speaker 1:
[14:30] Look at that.

Speaker 2:
[14:30] That was it.

Speaker 1:
[14:31] Damn, look at that. Rest in peace to the great DMX.

Speaker 3:
[14:34] DMX, man, come on. He went, not too many artists went diamond in their career, bro. It's a handful.

Speaker 1:
[14:41] I told one time I was on set, y'all remember you asked DMX to cry one time. You was just to show me. And he was so dope with that actor. So he cried like this, like nothing. Cried, real talk.

Speaker 3:
[14:52] He went from Ingoar, Blessed to Dead, Rest in Peace, DMX. He was a great actor.

Speaker 1:
[14:56] Great actor.

Speaker 3:
[14:57] That's great. He was so talented, man.

Speaker 1:
[14:59] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[15:00] He was really in a studio with pit bulls and shit like that?

Speaker 2:
[15:02] Yeah, he was.

Speaker 3:
[15:03] You wasn't there? Yeah, because I don't want to be in a studio with eight pit bulls and that.

Speaker 2:
[15:07] That, when he first was here, when he was with us at the beginning, he respect us a little differently. You know what I'm saying? So, you could bring a dog. My brother loves dogs too, so they got 10 dogs. He got five over there.

Speaker 4:
[15:19] All these with these dogs.

Speaker 2:
[15:21] I'm not a dog lover. Let me know. I'll shoot the dog.

Speaker 1:
[15:25] Yeah, I mean, I'm not a dog lover. He's just a dog lover guy over here.

Speaker 2:
[15:28] Look at him.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] Yeah, he's a dog lover.

Speaker 2:
[15:32] The got 200 dogs, you know what I mean? I'll be like, yo, y'all. I'll say, you know what? My brother-in-law will be like, you know what, don't even worry about that. Let me hold one of them dogs right quick. This owe some money. Bring him over here. Put him over here. I said I was using the dog. I'm gonna get the money out of this. He's talking all this bullshit.

Speaker 1:
[15:47] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[15:48] Yeah, because when you look at DMX, it was more of a lifestyle when he dropped.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[15:53] Get at me, dog. You niggas wanna be killers? Get at me, dog. He had the dogs. He's barking.

Speaker 2:
[15:58] He was a dog lover, too.

Speaker 3:
[15:59] Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Definitely, definitely. So then, how did it get into the motorbikes? Because then it turned into a worldwide thing, Ruff Ryders. Like was riding in London, repping Ruff Ryders. Motherfuckers was in Finland, all over the world, repping Ruff Ryders on the bikes now.

Speaker 2:
[16:17] Yeah, we had chapters, it was called chapters. So we wound up getting chapters in all different places. Like everywhere we go, California, we got Chicago.

Speaker 1:
[16:27] Everywhere we go, we got Bikers. I remember that traveling, we always had crews everywhere in Fadix.

Speaker 2:
[16:30] Everywhere we go, so it's chapters everywhere. And everywhere we go somewhere, they pull up. You know what I'm saying? So if you see the craziest funeral I've ever seen was X's funeral. He had about 2,000 out there on bikes and they came to pay their respects.

Speaker 1:
[16:47] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[16:48] They respect for X. But yeah, he had one of the craziest, cause we had, ran from up Yonkers and we rode all the way down to Brooklyn to bring it, bring it. That's where his funeral was at. But we started in Yonkers and drove all the way down. So we probably had like 2,000 bikes, 3,000, maybe more.

Speaker 3:
[17:07] Yeah, definitely. It was a movie. We had the coffin in the monster truck.

Speaker 2:
[17:10] You see how we put the coffin in the sky?

Speaker 1:
[17:12] Facts, facts.

Speaker 2:
[17:13] I'm gonna get you up there before you even get up there.

Speaker 1:
[17:14] You're right. My brother, my brother.

Speaker 2:
[17:17] I'm gonna get you up there before you even get up there.

Speaker 3:
[17:19] Before the time.

Speaker 1:
[17:19] Yeah, let's get it.

Speaker 2:
[17:20] You're ready, you're ready.

Speaker 3:
[17:21] Cause we always have this debate, right? We always talk about like Jay-Z was good, had like a good image, you know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, DMX was like outselling, like Jay-Z on Def Jam. Cause you know, he's on Def Jam, but DMX was kind of like a big artist when you really think, he went diamond.

Speaker 2:
[17:41] Right.

Speaker 3:
[17:41] So, but Jay-Z always had that like mystique of I'm the boss, so I look good over here. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[17:47] Right, right, right.

Speaker 3:
[17:48] Not taking that from the old legends, but a lot of people don't realize DMX went diamond.

Speaker 1:
[17:53] You know, DMX was that dude at that time and that ever, he was coming up. Jay was just making it look good, the CEO doing things like that. So he made it look good. You know what I mean? So, but X was talking that shit.

Speaker 3:
[18:05] X was different than everybody else though. He wasn't a drug dealer. He was just a wild nigga. He wasn't like drug dealer talk. He wasn't pretty boy talk, but he could do, but he had shit for the ladies.

Speaker 1:
[18:18] He talked them stories. X was a robber too.

Speaker 3:
[18:20] No, he was-

Speaker 1:
[18:21] X was a robber.

Speaker 3:
[18:22] He was a robber.

Speaker 1:
[18:23] X was a robber. I used to be around that her story with X and just be chilling with a robber. Like, yo, X just robbed somebody. Like, obviously, I heard about that. X used to be a robber.

Speaker 3:
[18:33] And then seeing how he performed in Belly, you know, come on, Belly is like- Classic. That's his dad. Classic. Come on, that's classic TV.

Speaker 1:
[18:39] Classic, classic.

Speaker 2:
[18:40] But you know what the craziest part? And I got to give it to Hov, cause you know, me and Hov was good, you know?

Speaker 1:
[18:47] He always shouted you out. He always saluted you. I noticed that too, always.

Speaker 2:
[18:51] That's my guy. And this is the craziest part. And never forget this, but this is the most solidest shit you could do ever. So, he was rapping and they was, you know, they was always compatible to each other. They were always-

Speaker 1:
[19:03] Talking about the Jay-Z and DMX battle, that legendary battle that people talk about? Yes, guys.

Speaker 2:
[19:06] But what happened was, me and Jay had a rapport, like him and X probably had, but I had a good rapport with Jay. So I fucked with him. So, I had, X was at Def Jam, but then he became the president of Def Jam. Hov was up there running the show. So, X was in the hole over there for about a good eight million, at least. So, I was like, all right, cool. So, shit wasn't working out with it, but he wound up being the president. So, I went back in and I was like, yo, hold on, let me holler at you for a minute. So, me and him, we got a good relationship. He was like, what's up? I said, you know what, this ain't working out for him. Boom, boom, boom. Let's see if we can switch and move him somewhere else so we can get him from over here, because he don't really feel like comfortable here. He didn't want to be at Def Jam at that point. So, we talked back and forth from that point, but you know, you can't really go, because wherever you go, you all this money, you still owe this money.

Speaker 1:
[19:59] You still owe that eight million, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[20:01] That wiped the whole shit out. He didn't have to pay nothing and let him go. Straight like that. Straight like that.

Speaker 1:
[20:08] Gotta salute that, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[20:09] That right there, that was probably 20 years ago, but I remember that. So, I gotta always say, I gotta give him that, because it could have went a different way if he didn't just say, all right, go ahead, man, it, do what you gotta do.

Speaker 1:
[20:21] Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[20:23] I always respect the whole for that, because not too many people knew that but me, because me and him made that, we was just talking one-on-one. He did that kind of like a favor for me, and it went through the acts, so it helped him out as well, because he could have said, nah, you know, the other over there, they don't give a fuck, they go on, you stay in here until you pay.

Speaker 1:
[20:42] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[20:42] He figured it out and he wiped it out and let him go. How he did it, I don't know how he did it.

Speaker 3:
[20:46] Crazy, because y'all had a roster like, talk about how the fuck y'all got Eve, because at that point, who we had? We had Lil Kim, we had Foxy, and it was just, at that point, I would say it's Eve.

Speaker 2:
[20:57] Yeah, Lil Kim, Foxy and Eve at that time.

Speaker 3:
[21:00] That time right there was like, those were the top three at that point.

Speaker 2:
[21:04] 100%.

Speaker 3:
[21:05] So, and she was from Philly, right? She was from Philly.

Speaker 2:
[21:07] Eve was from Philly.

Speaker 3:
[21:08] So how'd y'all find her?

Speaker 2:
[21:09] You know what, I think Mark Bives was a manager, which was a good friend of somebody. But X had ran into Eve, I think, in California in the studio or something. And he was like boom, boom, boom. And Dre had her, Dr. Dre had her at that time.

Speaker 3:
[21:27] Oh, wow.

Speaker 2:
[21:27] So she was signed to Dre and him. So boom, boom, well, they got him. And then he came back and told me, yo, I got this girl, ba-da-da-da-da-da. I was like, all right, well, you know what I mean? I said, fuck it, fly in. So I flew in and she came in. I was like, well, she good, we can work with her. Then she was signed to Dre and him. So we wound up figuring out how to figure out how to niggle it. Jimmy Iveen, we went through it and he was like, all right, fuck it, y'all can take her. We did a deal with him, but he gave us Eve. And we had a deal with Interscope.

Speaker 1:
[21:58] Interscope, okay.

Speaker 3:
[21:59] Oh, okay, it was, yeah, Ruff Ryders was through Interscope.

Speaker 2:
[22:01] He still was with him, so it's like he still, but he said, fuck it, y'all, Dre couldn't do nothing whether he didn't know how to work. So he's like, here you go.

Speaker 3:
[22:06] Well, you know how Dre is. You could do a whole two albums with Dre and that shit might not come out with Dre, man.

Speaker 2:
[22:11] Yeah, Dre's real picky on this shit. I'm not feeling it today.

Speaker 1:
[22:17] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[22:18] Forget about all that, just come back another year. So he's just a different type of, but we was able to break up. So they gave her to us and right at that time, we had a little momentum and we just put her in and she worked.

Speaker 3:
[22:30] And I felt like back then the female rap had a little more substance too. Like Foxy, Kim and Eve had album albums for me.

Speaker 1:
[22:38] For a female you had to really be talking that shit back then too to even make it even get kind of known. You had to really-

Speaker 3:
[22:43] The hook had to be, remember Eve had, who's that girl?

Speaker 1:
[22:46] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[22:49] That was it.

Speaker 1:
[22:50] She's that- That took her to a whole nother level with that Gwen Stefani shit. That cost her over like crazy. That cost her over like crazy.

Speaker 3:
[22:56] That was the guitar went.

Speaker 1:
[22:59] Think it was something like that.

Speaker 3:
[23:00] She's talking about domestic violence?

Speaker 2:
[23:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:03] Yeah, that was it. I know what you're talking about. I know what records you're talking about.

Speaker 2:
[23:05] We shot that on Dykeman, man. I remember that. We shot that. That was the domestic violence.

Speaker 3:
[23:11] Yeah, Eve had a whole different style. She had the short hair.

Speaker 2:
[23:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:14] Nice looking girl, tattoos, had the paws. Remember that? A lot of people bit that tattoo too. The paws.

Speaker 2:
[23:21] The paws, yeah, that's a fact.

Speaker 3:
[23:22] A lot of girls started doing that.

Speaker 2:
[23:24] That's a fact.

Speaker 3:
[23:25] Because those were the three ghosts, Foxy Kim and I would say, yeah, Eve, at that point.

Speaker 2:
[23:31] And at that time right there, everybody, you got to have it, when you got a squad, you got to break it up with one girl. You know, just if you got a team, you got to put a girl there. That's going to break it up. So it feels good. If I got to put two verses here, I'll put her right in the middle and break it up. And then the other people could come back after that.

Speaker 1:
[23:51] How was it dealing with all those personalities? Because I always thought that back in the days, like you got DMX, you got Eve, you got the LOX. How do you deal with all those personalities?

Speaker 2:
[24:02] Well, you know, what it was is that with the artists I had, it was like, I was taking, I was, I had them like, they was like little brothers to me. So I was already taking care of them. You know, Boom, Boom, Wiz already, they had shit. I was giving them things. You didn't have to sell them records, I was with them, I used to take them to school sometimes. Come pick them up and take them wherever, and make sure they good and give them whatever, throw them a bunch of sneakers and all that type of stuff. From the washing machine. You know.

Speaker 4:
[24:31] The washing machine.

Speaker 3:
[24:33] I like that one, that's the new one right there.

Speaker 4:
[24:35] You know that, you know that.

Speaker 3:
[24:36] The washing machine money, man. Laundry mats, the laundry mats. We had a lot of laundry mats.

Speaker 4:
[24:41] We had a lot of laundry mats.

Speaker 2:
[24:41] The laundry mats.

Speaker 4:
[24:42] Of course, of course.

Speaker 2:
[24:44] But you know, it was already all right, and I was just to make sure it was all right, you know, to make sure that they be able to go the other direction, not the direction we had to go through. So the goal is for us to go through it so they don't have to go through it. So if you're not doing that, then you're feeding the purpose. So I was good with it because when I sat back and looked, all the artists, my nephew, Swizz, Kes, Eve, all of them, I was able to point them in that direction. Not take them over here. If you want to come, you could come though. You know, when Pumpfake got told, Swizz fire, get in the car, that, we're going to get to it.

Speaker 1:
[25:21] No, Swizz was with the shit, too.

Speaker 2:
[25:23] He was with the shit.

Speaker 1:
[25:23] Because I remember one time he was in the studio and somebody owed Swizz some money. So I told my guy, he in the building, too. He in the building. I remember somebody owed Swizz some money and he had an unfortunate trip in the basement in the Ruff Ryders studio.

Speaker 2:
[25:37] The lights ain't on.

Speaker 4:
[25:38] Yeah, the lights wasn't on.

Speaker 3:
[25:40] The lights wasn't on. Shout to Swizz, the lights wasn't on.

Speaker 2:
[25:43] The lights wasn't on.

Speaker 1:
[25:45] Things happened.

Speaker 3:
[25:49] Another thing, too, is how did you feel for the No More Shiny Suits era when the LOX was leaving Diddy? What was that about? Then they came to Ruff Ryders because that was a big switch. But you remember No More Shiny Suits?

Speaker 1:
[26:05] It was going down at that time. I remember that.

Speaker 2:
[26:08] Yeah, what happened was, because they went and got out the contract.

Speaker 3:
[26:12] Yeah, because Diddy ain't letting nobody out. Of course, of course.

Speaker 2:
[26:15] Forget about that. I don't give a fuck about the Shiny Suits.

Speaker 1:
[26:17] I don't care about the Shiny Suits. Ruff wasn't trying to let you out of no contract.

Speaker 2:
[26:20] I don't care what you do, but there's the trick. So, back to the same thing. It was always kind of like the relationships I had at that time. So, I had a rapport with Diddy. His pops and my pops grew up together. They was best friends. So, his pops got in a situation. They murdered him. And my pops grew up with him. So, that's his best friend. So, my pops said, yo, make sure you know Puffer's family. Make sure you look out for them, boom, boom, boom, boom. Cause he know I'm in the streets. Puffer them is walking the streets, but I'm in the street. So, I had to make sure he was all right.

Speaker 3:
[26:51] Cause he know you got-

Speaker 2:
[26:52] Of course, of course.

Speaker 1:
[26:53] Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[26:54] But he family. So, I just always knew that he was family. He looked out when we needed things as well. So, he did no different from him and Hov Waller. I came up with all of them. So, they all like family to me, you know what I'm saying? So, I just knew that they point you in the right. He was pointing me in the right. And he helped me out with a lot of things. So, we got to make sure he's good. Even though he's not in the best place right this second, things happen, shit gonna happen to everybody. But, you know, that's where you're gonna see where everybody's standing, you know? I can't do nothing about it. He did whatever he do. He's family still to me. I can't do nothing about whatever he do.

Speaker 3:
[27:24] So, you made the deal for no more shiny suits for them. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[27:29] We got them off of that and they got out of the shiny suits. And, you know, we wasn't into the shiny suits. So, we just put them in regular dickies and regular shit timbers and do what you do. So, that's what kind of helped them get to that point. And it was able, I was able to get them so they could be able to, the plan was to be able to do this and be able to do whatever they're going for the rest of their life. So, like they're doing now, they're still relevant and they're good. I was cool with that.

Speaker 3:
[27:56] You was in the studio for Done Started something?

Speaker 2:
[27:58] Yeah, you know, I did all the albums. So, I was in there for mostly everything. The Done Started something.

Speaker 3:
[28:04] What was the vibe? They always in the studio. This is classic shit for the coach. I know he wasn't there, but I would have asked. I wasn't there for that.

Speaker 2:
[28:13] You know what was in there? Cause this is before, nobody had a deal when I had this song. This song, nobody had a deal.

Speaker 1:
[28:19] That's crazy for real.

Speaker 3:
[28:20] Nobody would sound at that point when they could.

Speaker 2:
[28:22] Nobody had a deal at this time.

Speaker 3:
[28:23] Wow, you see, this is a good question right here.

Speaker 2:
[28:25] So, the crazy part is that we was in the studio. So, I used to be in the studio in Yonkers. That's where the LOX and all them from the X and all of them, we had a studio. Right. So we had the LOX, who was on it? LOX, Mace.

Speaker 1:
[28:41] Mace is on that too, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:42] X.

Speaker 1:
[28:43] X, yep.

Speaker 2:
[28:43] I think it was all of them right there, the LOX.

Speaker 3:
[28:45] Yep, yep. Yeah, it was the LOX, Mace and X.

Speaker 2:
[28:48] Yep, yep, all of them. So they used to just be in the studio and we just, we wound up doing that song and I think Grease did that beat, probably it was Grease did that beat, if I'm not mistaken. But we just did that. They was all in it and it just, I think Styles came in with the hook.

Speaker 1:
[29:05] Legendary for that.

Speaker 2:
[29:07] Yeah, so it was easy to do.

Speaker 3:
[29:08] That is a classic record. Now I'm gonna ask you, who you think got the best verse on it?

Speaker 2:
[29:15] Who do you think got the best verse on it?

Speaker 1:
[29:17] I can't, back then, they all smoked that to me, man.

Speaker 2:
[29:21] At the end, see the best is always the last.

Speaker 3:
[29:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[29:25] So they saved that. That's how it used to be back then. We saved the best for last back in the year.

Speaker 2:
[29:31] You put last because if I put the best first, they don't gotta listen to nobody else. Put them last.

Speaker 3:
[29:35] What you heard is what you hearin. Tell the like a boss. Nah, DMX went crazy.

Speaker 1:
[29:41] You know a lot of people don't know, a lot of Ruff Ryders artists used to get a lot of, me and myself, get lines from Dee. Dee was a real slick talker. So if you just sitting in the studio with Dee, right, and you just there all day, he gon say so much shit that you gon wind up putting one of them lines in your bars. Dead serious, you gon some shit he say, you gon put it in your music.

Speaker 3:
[30:03] Man, I'm still open. He said nobody was signed when they made that record. I'm thinkin about that. That is crazy. Because they was soundin mad hungry on that shit.

Speaker 2:
[30:11] Yeah, they didn't... Nobody probably had a deal at that time, for sure. They went to Puff and them and tried to work out over there. They didn't work, so I was able to get them back. So I had to give Puff some money. I think we had to give him like three million to get them back. So we want to give them three million, took them back. But see, for me, they like little brothers to me, so I was always thinkin of the future for them. I gotta get them out of their situation, so they could do whatever they got to do, so they could be able to live for the rest of their life and do what they're doing now. So one move could fuck them up. So I seen that it's probably not gonna work. He probably ain't into them like he should be. He's more into Mace. He was more into Mace at that time.

Speaker 1:
[30:56] Got you.

Speaker 2:
[30:57] So I was like, it, let me just get them back and try to figure out the next move, and we try to figure out how to break them over here at Interscope. So he wound up, me and Puff was good, so he did me a favor too. It was in a little favor, but it was a favor. It wasn't a little favor.

Speaker 1:
[31:12] It cost something, but it's all good. It worked though, it worked.

Speaker 3:
[31:16] Everybody was spawning on that record. Niggas done started something. You really think about it, Mace and Jada, style, she.

Speaker 1:
[31:22] That was Murda Mace back then.

Speaker 3:
[31:24] Yeah, Murda Mace. But X, last verse, like he said, it was, and the beat changed up and everything.

Speaker 2:
[31:31] Right, right.

Speaker 3:
[31:31] The beat changed, the shit started sounding.

Speaker 2:
[31:33] Don't come everywhere with no bullshit. The bullshit, the bullshit of that shit, like a bullshit, like a bullshit.

Speaker 3:
[31:41] what you heard, what you hear. What's harder than it get?

Speaker 2:
[31:44] What's harder than what's in here. See, if your hardest flip when I start a bunch of shit, that's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[31:50] My boy, Myna McConaughey, did a video for one of the X records.

Speaker 3:
[31:53] It's so classic, man. Yo, that time in hip hop, to me, was just so special. Like, I remember me and 50 opening up for you guys, for Cash Money and Ruff Ryders.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] Was it in Queens?

Speaker 3:
[32:04] No, we was on a tour.

Speaker 1:
[32:05] Oh, okay, okay, okay. They was on the tour.

Speaker 3:
[32:07] At that point, you probably, you ain't know who we was, but Cash Money and Ruff Ryders was fucking on tour together. I remember being on that tour. We was the opening act on 58 Outta Rock.

Speaker 1:
[32:17] Look at that.

Speaker 3:
[32:18] So I've been seeing stars and I'm like, yo, this shit is crazy. Just the whole life. Niggas, their tours, that was classical time because wasn't no Instagram. You ain't gonna see DMX unless you see DMX on the stage. You ain't gonna see Styles, Swizz Beatz, Eve, nobody unless you see them at the event. It was more exclusively. It was even a record. Niggas didn't start at something. I remember when that shit came out, the album.

Speaker 1:
[32:44] Yeah, it was, it was.

Speaker 3:
[32:46] And they kept it the last song on the album for purpose. I don't know why. I was like, you would think a would have started the album with that shit.

Speaker 1:
[32:52] And it was like when the whole East Coast, West Coast thing was like, so that record just felt like, ooh, so it felt like, it felt dangerous. It felt dangerous.

Speaker 2:
[33:01] It was a good one.

Speaker 1:
[33:02] It was a good one, it was a good one.

Speaker 2:
[33:03] You know what the craziest? Cause I'm just thinking of a couple of things cause I'm here and I got, they over right here with me. So I remember 50 when he first came. So when 50 first came out, you know, we were a little, we were a little, as I said, so they brought 50's music to me. And I was in, I was in the hood. But they was like, yo, Boom Bop, I said, let me hear it. So that's when he was, he was, that's when he was dissing.

Speaker 3:
[33:31] How to Rob, how to Rob.

Speaker 2:
[33:32] Yeah, was it how to Rob? He was just dissing everybody, talking crazy about everybody. What's that one?

Speaker 3:
[33:37] With the mad rap.

Speaker 1:
[33:38] That's how to Rob, that's how to Rob.

Speaker 2:
[33:40] So I'm listening, I'm listening. So I'm like, all right, yeah, that's what's up. And then I sat and thought for a moment, I said, oh, he's going a little too hard. We might have to kill a couple of. I said, oh, this going too hard. Let me fall back for two seconds.

Speaker 3:
[33:55] Listen, he had the mad rapper on it. It was a comical record, how to Rob. But back then, you know how it was. Back then, like New York, like New York wasn't just letting niggas come to New York and get on radio, it was like, this was New York. Nah, New York was totally different back then. Classic. Everything was exclusive.

Speaker 1:
[34:17] Oh, so they brought you the music on some like, yo, trying to get you to pop.

Speaker 2:
[34:20] I'm trying to remember the that brought me because he was good. One of my people that was good from out there, I think it was Prince, trying to remember. Was it a guy named Prince? Somebody got the name, but he brought it to my man in the hood, was like, yo, here, boom, and he was talking about 50. I was like, all right, and then he was talking crazy, and I was like, nah, we're gonna want to kill the. I'm gonna pass on this one.

Speaker 1:
[34:45] It's gonna be too much drama.

Speaker 2:
[34:46] I already know where we was getting ready to go.

Speaker 1:
[34:48] Definitely, definitely.

Speaker 3:
[34:49] Out of rob, was hungry.

Speaker 2:
[34:53] were still hungry. So you got to know you. I already know what type of I got with me.

Speaker 1:
[34:59] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[35:00] So when you in position, and you got to remember this, when you're in position and you the head of it, you got to make sure you protect your people because they're going to go off if you tell them. So I got to say, nah, I'm good. Not that I ain't worrying about what it's going to be. I'm worrying about going to jail, getting kept. So it's my job to say, nah, it ain't that serious. It's going to have to pass. So you got to make a rational decision instead of making an irrational decision. So if you're the head of any type of situation, you got to make the right decisions for everybody, not just for yourself. I'm a getaway. I just don't know if all of them going to get away.

Speaker 1:
[35:41] Got you, got you.

Speaker 2:
[35:43] If all my can't get away, I don't do it. I be like, I don't get away. The plan don't look like we all getting away. I'm probably get away, you probably can get away, but y'all might not get away. So you know what? Let's just don't do it till we all can get away. So you got to think like that. And that's just the way it always been for me. I got to keep it the way I always kept it with my people. You know, like I still fuck with my same people. You see my here?

Speaker 1:
[36:05] Of course, all the day ones. You put all the day ones through. I'm at all the day ones still around, definitely.

Speaker 2:
[36:11] These are, look, those are, we got felonies together, man. You talking about the day. You ain't gonna pull a joke.

Speaker 1:
[36:18] Real shit.

Speaker 2:
[36:18] But these are the people that helped you on your journey to get there. So, if anybody don't go astray and they don't play themselves, you try to help them till they get to whatever it is they're doing. So, my job is to come back and help whoever that's worthy of helping, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1:
[36:32] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[36:33] I can't help all the, some ain't on the same page or the same direction I'm going right now. So, I can give you advice, I gotta keep it moving, you know? And that's just what it is. But I just never felt like I can't fuck with my people no matter how much money you give me. I'm already in.

Speaker 1:
[36:52] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[36:53] I can't say, oh, I don't fuck with a, I parked my car in the same spot. I go right back to my same block I just left there. You got the footage I just left the block? Same block.

Speaker 3:
[37:03] Yeah, they do they podcast outside on the block.

Speaker 1:
[37:06] I did the podcast before, I pulled up on the block, of course, I pulled up on the block, I pulled up on the block. You know I pulled up on my guy, come on, man.

Speaker 2:
[37:13] That's why I'm here. Look, I ain't gotta talk long to my, man, I said, look, Murda, I'm outside, I don't know if you're gonna be safe. He said, I'll be right there.

Speaker 1:
[37:20] Facts, come on, man, come on, man, come on, man.

Speaker 3:
[37:24] I still have a 10 grand and some guns.

Speaker 1:
[37:26] That's right, being on the run, a on the run, this funny guy right here.

Speaker 3:
[37:32] Because he be saying, take red.

Speaker 2:
[37:34] 10 grand and some guns.

Speaker 1:
[37:35] Because that helped me to this day, right? Dee, like I just did a deal, right? Shout out to Empire, shout out to Gazi and Neymar, I just did a deal for Seven Figures, right? I'm about to put out some new music and all that. But it be shit like that for me grinding from that young, fucking with y'all, that I'm able to even do deals like that to this day. Because I know how to move, just sitting back, watching the game. And I was so, I'm on the run. Y'all gave me so much hope, because I don't even know what my life would have turned out to be. Honestly, I'm on the run, I'm shooting people out there in Eastern York, it's all crazy, all type of shootouts with the police, it's statute of limitations on that shit now, but 75th Precinct was so crooked. So I don't even know how life would have really turned out. So me even going up to y'all, spitting for y'all, and y'all really embracing me and feeling me at that time. It ain't giving me some money to go buy some work and some guns to make sure me and my is good.

Speaker 3:
[38:25] It don't get no realer than that, Dee.

Speaker 1:
[38:27] It don't get no realer than that, Dee. No realer than that, Dee, no realer, 10 grand, you gon buy some good work with that. I was a puppy, I was a puppy, you know what I'm saying? So shit, I was hungry though.

Speaker 3:
[38:39] And then you got the Ruff Ryders co-sign on top of that, one of the biggest brands in the world. So what's your craziest tour experience? Because I remember the Cash Money Ruff Ryders tour and I remember 50 billion opening act, How to Rob. You was two, you didn't know who we was back in the day.

Speaker 1:
[38:54] That's crazy. DM that was popping in his head.

Speaker 2:
[38:58] I don't know. I'll be there, but I don't be there mentally.

Speaker 1:
[39:03] Got you.

Speaker 2:
[39:04] Because we're on tour and it's just, we're blessed to be there and do it there. But at the end of the day, that tour was all we did because we did a Cash Money tour and we did a rock and roll tour.

Speaker 1:
[39:17] The one with Rock on Brown, the whole year, the whole Rockefeller rock party, that's right.

Speaker 2:
[39:21] And tours was good, but this is, I see Hov talking about this too. So him and X battled one time, right? This before even one of them had it there. Nobody had it there.

Speaker 3:
[39:31] Yeah, I remember that battle was viral.

Speaker 2:
[39:34] I think it was in the Bronx. But the shit was like this, it wasn't really supposed to be a battle. Cause what happened was my man Mac from my building called me and was like, yo, boom boom boom, we're battling, da da da. It was original flavors in Harlem Nights, which Dame was managing one of them, and my man Mac was managing. So they-

Speaker 1:
[39:56] You're talking about the original flavors group, that whole- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:58] He was in the group, so he was just in the group. So he wasn't battling, it was all the other battling, so he was on the side. So my man Mac called me one time and was like, yo Dee, where you at? Come through, I'm having a battle. And I just happened to have X with me that one time. And I was like, all right, I'll be over there. So we shot over to the Bronx and we went over there. And I just happened, X was just with me. He was standing over there. They was over there. X wasn't even involved. So they battled and battled and battled. So they kind of didn't get too far. So they even had a plan. So he already knew that none of them could fuck with Hov. That would be the end of it. That would be crushing everything at that moment. So he already had Hov in the cut. So after that shit got stuck, he was like, you know what? They put Hov on the table. But mind you, X wasn't there to battle. So when he put Hov on the table, I told my Mac, Mac was like, I said, put X on the table, it. I put X on the table. So all four of them was going back and forth, back and forth, and they both was nice, you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't like, shit, we was in there for about two hours, probably, back and forth.

Speaker 1:
[41:05] Oh, they was going back and forth for two hours?

Speaker 3:
[41:06] You could find that battle. That battle was like a big thing. DMX, J.

Speaker 2:
[41:11] That was crazy.

Speaker 3:
[41:12] You could find that. Classic, classic time.

Speaker 2:
[41:15] We wound up not recording it at that moment when my brother wanted to tell him, turn the cameras off, n***a.

Speaker 1:
[41:20] Oh, shit.

Speaker 2:
[41:21] We got too much going on right now.

Speaker 1:
[41:22] Oh, shit. That was wild, Paul. Wild, wild, wild.

Speaker 2:
[41:25] Wild was like, yo, turn the camera off, n***a. We ain't in the clear yet. So he turned it off so we didn't get to record it.

Speaker 3:
[41:33] So, but there was a cipher with J and DMX, no?

Speaker 2:
[41:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah. They still kept going with that.

Speaker 1:
[41:37] Yeah, a little cipher, yeah. But he talking about as far as the battle, the battle, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just turn the camera off, whatever you do.

Speaker 3:
[41:45] Oh, man, we could have sold out for a couple of millions.

Speaker 1:
[41:47] He better believe it.

Speaker 2:
[41:49] It's okay, you know, we would have got the money, but we'd probably be still up in Attica just getting it released. No, I'm good. Fuck all of it. We all right, turn that off for two seconds. Because we got other shit going on. You're talking about rap, We on the run.

Speaker 1:
[42:05] Vex, Vex.

Speaker 3:
[42:07] Because X, what was that show that he did? What's the show, Ed and the X did? Was it the biggest show, like 80,000 or something? Oh, oh, oh.

Speaker 2:
[42:19] Trying to figure out the pop star? What's the name?

Speaker 3:
[42:21] Was it Woodstock?

Speaker 2:
[42:22] Woodstock.

Speaker 1:
[42:23] I think it was Woodstock.

Speaker 2:
[42:24] Yeah, that was it.

Speaker 3:
[42:24] That was like-

Speaker 1:
[42:26] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[42:26] Woodstock, Woodstock.

Speaker 3:
[42:27] Like just people gotta understand the gold diamond. That means if y'all don't know out there, I know a lot of people know 10 million and better. For him, that right there was like a classic hip-hop performance. It's like X crossed over just with a black crowd. He had a big white crowd. Yeah, definitely. Also, and then how did he transition to the acting?

Speaker 2:
[42:49] That X, he was just a good actor. You know what I'm saying? I guess he must have been down on his own in his room, but they wound up liking him. When you see him perform in his energy, then he wanted to read in a couple of scripts, and he's like, oh shit, okay, come on, let's try. Give him a try, and it worked. I think one of the main ones was the Belly with him and Nas.

Speaker 3:
[43:09] Oh, Belly was classic.

Speaker 2:
[43:10] Classic, classic.

Speaker 1:
[43:11] Classic.

Speaker 3:
[43:12] Count that money!

Speaker 1:
[43:13] Rest in peace, REA. Rest in peace, REA.

Speaker 3:
[43:15] Count that money!

Speaker 1:
[43:16] Him and the REA had a classic movie, too. They had a classic one.

Speaker 3:
[43:20] To me, Belly had the most, he was the star of Belly.

Speaker 1:
[43:22] Of course, he turned it up.

Speaker 3:
[43:24] You know what I mean? That was bugging him, Belly. would like that shit. Take a red light, do what I want! That was like the most animated, crazy rapper, bro, when you really think about it.

Speaker 1:
[43:36] My ex was that, man.

Speaker 2:
[43:37] Ex just knew, you know, he's just an actor. Some know how to act, you know what I'm saying? So he was a good actor. Plus, you know, we kept all them grounded, like, you know what I'm saying? Stunting in front and all that, That's not what we doing. We always try to get my audits and they don't get in the shit cause the shit gonna escalate. If it escalate, you might not have a career. Just know that I mean, that's what I'm trying to tell you. Don't think that this gonna end always good. So try to alleviate the bullshit cause it's definitely gonna go where you don't want it to go. You don't got no control at the moment. Excuse me, we gonna figure this out. So you try not to even create them situations. I don't even want no problems cause I know how to shit in. I just don't even want no problems. We ain't doing that. Just the leader, I know it's not that serious. We gonna keep it moving. That's not worth us or you going to jail or him going to jail. You know, it's just not worth it. So you gotta stay positive and keep moving. When they get positive, I can't even fuck with them at this point.

Speaker 1:
[44:32] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[44:34] So what's the future for the brand? I know y'all got clothes, y'all got motorcycle fucking chapters. I know there's probably a lot of unreleased DMX music. I know there's a lot the way he write music.

Speaker 2:
[44:45] We still, you know, with X, we just, what was I just doing with X? I just spoke with his, Desiree, which is his ex of his mother, his baby mother. And she's doing something because she owns the rights to everything. So he left everything else. So we just trying to, they trying to do a series with him on something. So she's handling that, putting something together with X. And we working on some new music with the label and everything over there. My brother and I am handling that, but I handle most of my podcast shit. I'm on that right this second.

Speaker 3:
[45:17] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[45:17] The block talking.

Speaker 1:
[45:19] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[45:19] I'll shout about it. I'll shout at you.

Speaker 1:
[45:21] Of course. I know what's going on man. You had anybody on the motherfucking block talking.

Speaker 3:
[45:25] I gotta get up on there.

Speaker 1:
[45:26] Yeah, we gotta go on there man. Yeah, we gon come on there together man.

Speaker 4:
[45:28] We gon pause.

Speaker 2:
[45:29] Look, I'm gonna test your ability man. You can't talk crazy. Cause if you ain't coming out this, yep, Murda pulled right up. Look, I don't know who gon come around.

Speaker 1:
[45:37] I want to be there man. Let me come over there right after.

Speaker 2:
[45:41] I said, Murda, I don't know. He said, I'll be right there. Chump, I said, that's what I'm talking about man.

Speaker 1:
[45:44] You know how we roll.

Speaker 3:
[45:46] I think I've seen Birdman come there.

Speaker 1:
[45:47] A lot of people came and showed up man.

Speaker 2:
[45:53] It's what it is, you know what I'm saying? Like if you ain't comfortable, don't come.

Speaker 3:
[45:56] For sure.

Speaker 2:
[45:57] If you ain't comfortable, don't come. I can't guarantee you a ain't gon run up on you cause it ain't like that. I don't got no security or nothing. I just got out there.

Speaker 1:
[46:06] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[46:07] You know, if you ain't what you say, you all don't come. I'm telling you, just do that for yourself.

Speaker 1:
[46:10] Definitely. You know what I wanted to ask you too, just cause me knowing you, right? How much cause, shit, you call me every time you see me doing something good, like, yo, my, I see you. Good shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what the fuck I'm talking about, right? How did you feel when you know, at the Verzuz, like just seeing the LOX handle their business? Like how did that make you feel like, knowing like these my young pups and they handle their business?

Speaker 2:
[46:32] You know what, that, I was sitting there, but I was down on the stage. But what happened was, you know, you get to watch, see them grow. That's the big part when you get to see people grow and see them become, turn from boys to men. So when you get to see them, they men, so I got the chance to watch them grow and become to be good men, you know what I'm saying? And they know, you know, they come up on the real shit, so they know like, look, don't do that, that ain't gonna stick back. Don't do that if you ain't willing to go over it. They don't do the shit like talking about and all that clown shit. That's not probably what they're gonna do because even though they're grown, they still gonna get a call like, what's up? What's all about my? I mean, you still got to answer to a degree. I ain't in your everyday life, but when it gets out of hand and shit might escalate, you need to stop that so it don't go no further. Or you gotta be wise about your battles or who you want to beef with over dumb shit. That ain't worth beefing over leader that long. It's not that serious. It's all good, family. Everybody do what they do, they grown men. As long as you know how to count, it's all that matters.

Speaker 1:
[47:45] Count that motherfucking money, Right, count that money.

Speaker 2:
[47:47] Yeah, You're gonna come back talking about, yeah, I feel like, yeah, so what is it? Count it again. Talking about, I think, talking about, yeah, you were, how much is that a year? I think it's 10. Count it again.

Speaker 3:
[48:03] Count it again.

Speaker 2:
[48:04] Just because you said it, I think.

Speaker 3:
[48:06] Count that money.

Speaker 2:
[48:08] Yeah. Tell them to go back. Count that over, man. Talk about, I think, count it again.

Speaker 1:
[48:13] Real shit. Real shit.

Speaker 2:
[48:15] But it's a blessing for me to be able to be here and fuck with y'all and definitely you.

Speaker 3:
[48:23] Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you for coming out to this, man.

Speaker 2:
[48:26] I seen what y'all did, too, though, on that plane.

Speaker 1:
[48:31] Oh, man.

Speaker 4:
[48:31] Go ahead.

Speaker 1:
[48:32] Go ahead, Dee.

Speaker 4:
[48:33] Go ahead, Dee. Go ahead, Dee.

Speaker 2:
[48:35] It wasn't the wrong thing. It was self-defense.

Speaker 1:
[48:38] It was self-defense.

Speaker 2:
[48:39] But you know what? You know what? Because I'm good. I'm good with everybody. I'm good with y'all. I'm good with Irv. I'm good with Prince. I'm good with Cream. I'm good with everybody. You know what I'm saying? So we just got to know as black people that we can't crash out over dumb shit. Of course, man. Some people let it stop. Because it ain't that serious. Because if it was that serious, for me, look, that's why I don't get in beef. Because ain't nobody going to be around too long talking about no beef 20 years. Because I ain't, I'm uncomfortable.

Speaker 1:
[49:12] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[49:16] It's just disagreements and little things here and there. So we've run into little situations like that, but we don't want to fuck up the money.

Speaker 1:
[49:22] Nah, of course, man. Of course we can't fuck up the money, man. Of course.

Speaker 2:
[49:25] Can't fuck up the money. Because we play ourself and we be stuck.

Speaker 1:
[49:28] I almost had a flashback though, Dee. I almost had a flashback.

Speaker 2:
[49:31] I'm glad you flashed back in.

Speaker 1:
[49:32] Yeah, now yes, correct.

Speaker 2:
[49:34] Flashback in, dude.

Speaker 1:
[49:35] I almost had a flashback.

Speaker 2:
[49:36] Flashback in.

Speaker 1:
[49:36] Yeah, I was about to spaz. Flashback in, I almost about to go straight to East New York.

Speaker 2:
[49:41] Flashback in, Murda.

Speaker 1:
[49:43] Almost, man, but it was all...

Speaker 3:
[49:44] Flashback in, man.

Speaker 1:
[49:45] Yeah, we made the right decision.

Speaker 3:
[49:46] Nah, you just de-drop plenty of jewels, man. Appreciate you coming to us today.

Speaker 2:
[49:49] We appreciate you, brother Saenz.

Speaker 3:
[49:53] Ruff Ryders legend, Dee in the building.

Speaker 1:
[49:54] You know the vibes, man.

Speaker 3:
[49:55] You know the vibes.

Speaker 1:
[49:58] What up?

Speaker 2:
[49:59] Block out!

Speaker 1:
[50:06] Good luck surviving the off-season, football fans.

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