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Speaker 1:
[03:40] Welcome to the Bigfoot Terror in the Woods Sightings & Encounters Podcast. My name is WJ. Sheehan, author of the series of books, a whole bunch of them, my friends, in paperback, e-book and Kindle and audiobook, which you can access through our website, bigfootterrorinthewoods.com. Hit the book link, make your selection or selections, and it will take you right over to Amazon to exactly where you want to be. And please check out our shop. Lot of cool things on there, folks. Everything resourced as best as we could out of China, made in the USA. All of the shirts and hoodies have printing on both sides. Lot of good stuff there, so please support the cause and jump on in. The water is fine. And now, may I introduce you to my brother and co-host, KJ Sheehan. Kev, how are you?

Speaker 2:
[04:42] All good. All American made product.

Speaker 1:
[04:46] Yeah, you know, Kev, and as we get going tonight, when we finished our last podcast, I don't know if it was just because of the hour or whatnot, but I didn't recall us really talking much about an apparent sick Bigfoot that those folks had sighted. And I thought it was weird that really that is the only sighting that I have ever heard about where a person or persons sighted out the gimpiness of the creature kind of dragging one side. And then I remember the man or the woman using the term, it looked emaciated, like it was so malnourished compared to the size of the frame that would have supported much more bulk. So apparently, like everything else, susceptible to disease, damage, which also brings me back to one of the things that I've been saying for years, just my opinion, that you never know the state or the mindset or anything about a creature that you might encounter. Its intentions, good or bad, whether it's the nastiest SOB, son of a Bigfoot in the woods, or even spirited, so to speak, you know?

Speaker 2:
[06:30] Yeah, I mean, any wild animal, right? I mean, here we're talking about Bigfoot, but it could be anything. That's having a bad day, a little sick, a little extra hungry, whatever.

Speaker 1:
[06:41] Somebody was telling me a couple of months ago, we were talking about some dog breeds. Now I don't believe this is not true, but I throw it out there, and if anybody thinks they know more than this, please let me know. Speaking about a Doberman Pinscher, and the gentleman said that as Dobermans age, their brain keeps growing and they get to a point where it's kind of being compressed in limited space and they can start to get a little nasty or go a little, you know, get a little flipped out.

Speaker 2:
[07:23] I had read that many, many years ago. I had read the same thing.

Speaker 1:
[07:27] Oh, okay. So.

Speaker 2:
[07:28] Gets them a little wacky when they get older.

Speaker 1:
[07:30] Yeah. I mean, the thought being some of them have turned on their masters, you know, and they're like, what the hell happened to Lucky? You know?

Speaker 2:
[07:39] Yeah. 100%.

Speaker 1:
[07:41] So, you know, in nature, you have no idea. You have no idea what these creatures are going through or what they feel like. They like you. They don't like you. They just as soon stomp on you as look at you. You have no idea. You know?

Speaker 2:
[07:58] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[08:00] Anyways, how's it going down in your neck of the woods today?

Speaker 2:
[08:04] Yeah. North Carolina is nice and warm. I actually took the day off today and tried to get the garden ready and planted some flowers.

Speaker 1:
[08:14] Nice.

Speaker 2:
[08:15] So we're right on the edge of that here. You know, middle of April, we can sneak out some flowers.

Speaker 1:
[08:20] Yeah. You know, I got a pollinator for my big bing cherry tree. And that was, this is the second year that tree's been in the ground. And now what does that mean?

Speaker 2:
[08:36] You bought a bee?

Speaker 1:
[08:38] Yeah, no. You know, I wish the guy I bought the tree from years ago had told me, you know, this thing needs a pollinator to produce good cherries. You know, if you can keep the critters from getting them.

Speaker 2:
[08:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:53] But I found out it needed a pollinator from the Cornell Institute out in Riverhead.

Speaker 2:
[08:59] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[09:00] And I hunted down one of the varieties of cherry, which is called a Montmorency. And it was a decent tree, you know, four or five feet tall, a little bit of branch growth on it. But I realized last year it was blooming about two weeks away from when the bing bloomed. So I called up Cornell again, and they told me, well, you don't know where this tree came from. And if it came from another state, like, say, down by you or Georgia or something, where your cycle is a little bit ahead of ours.

Speaker 2:
[09:43] Yeah, it bloomed a little earlier.

Speaker 1:
[09:44] Right. So the woman there, very astute, she said, you know, it may be that this tree will have to get acclimated into your yard for a couple of two or three or four years to get used to these seasons. And I'm looking now, I've been watching it. My bing is already opening up the blooms. And the buds on Montmorency are still tight. There's no flower visible. So looks like this.

Speaker 2:
[10:15] I mean, I'm ignorant, Bill. I was only half joking with the bee comment.

Speaker 1:
[10:20] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:21] So really, the pollinator is another tree, like a male tree.

Speaker 1:
[10:26] Correct. Some fruit trees are self-pollinating.

Speaker 2:
[10:30] Right.

Speaker 1:
[10:30] Others require another. And a bing cannot be pollinated by another bing.

Speaker 2:
[10:38] Oh.

Speaker 1:
[10:39] So it's got to be a different variety of cherry. And of course, the bees go back and forth between the trees, flowers to flowers, and they really do the pollination. But you could even take a very fine feather, like an ostrich feather or something, and wisp it across the blooms to pick up pollen off of them.

Speaker 2:
[11:03] From one set of blooms to...

Speaker 1:
[11:05] Right.

Speaker 2:
[11:05] From one tree to the other.

Speaker 1:
[11:06] Right. Just kind of fan it over the blooms on the other tree. But I got to wait now. So another year gone by, and maybe next year, we'll see what happens. So what do you say we get into a little Bigfoot activity?

Speaker 2:
[11:21] Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1:
[11:23] So this following horrific encounter was shared with me by Mitchell Godfrey, a resident of Idaho. My buddy Rich living up there, Bigfoot City. I can't imagine, Kev, myself or yourself being found in the situation that he found himself. So now I'm going to share with you, and this is what Mitchell had to say to me. In 1978, my friend Bill and I were members of a loose-knit rock climbers club named the Scramblers. However, Bill, before I tell you what happened to me that year, allow me to explain briefly what precisely a scrambler or scrambling is. Rock scrambling generally means climbing a simple rock face or a mountain wall without using a rope or any other technical climbing gear. Scrambling is somewhere between hiking and technical rock climbing, depending on a skill set and the ability of the individual involved. Perhaps the best way to differentiate it from hiking is that in rock scrambling, one generally will need to use their hands for balance and or using them to pull oneself up from one position to another. Now sometimes we get together as a club, even to the extent of having competitions. But on most days, as was the case on this day, I was going it alone in Northern Idaho. It was a gorgeous September day back then, Bill. I was 27 years old when I drove my jeep up close to the base of the climb. I had been to this location a dozen times or more in the past, and I was well familiar with the lay of the land and the technical aspects involved in climbing here. The ascent was close to 700 feet. Some of it through rocks and brush, after which you were confronted with a steep and cracked rock face that ascended about 150 feet above you, most of which was a freehand vertical rock climb. So I began the initial scramble up this first six or seven hundred feet or so, which became steeper and increasingly more difficult the higher I climbed, leading you up to this rock face that I told you about moments ago, where I stood, assessing the route that I would take going up. I had my chalk bag on my side, used for grip on the rocks, and a small water bag hanging off my back on a strap, and I began to climb. Now climbing any rock face is a slow and calculating act, always searching and grasping for your next hand or foothold, with no time to rest and let go even for a moment, unless there is some ledge to get up on during the ascent. There was a kind of buffer zone at the base of this wall, and by that I mean some clusters of pines running back down the slope I had just ascended. As well as being along the base of the wall, on my left hand side and my right. Now standing there at the base, with no where to go but up, I began my climb. I was initially following a crack in the wall, now some 20 feet from the ground, reaching for my next grab point, when I felt something hit me in the back. My first thought was that a pebble may have fallen from above, skipping away from the wall and clipping my back on the way down, as I put it out of my mind and reached upward. Now muscling myself up a step higher on the face, I felt several things pelt me on the back of my shirt. Feeling like gentle buckshot against me. And I turned my face away from the wall and looked down. There was no mistaking what my eyes saw, Bill. A large Bigfoot now stood next to the trees looking up straight at me. And I panicked. That was all it took to break my connection to the wall. And I fell. I did not fall, actually, but rather knowing I had lost my grip, I had briefly given myself a nudge away from the rocks. Free falling about 20 to 25 feet or so, actually landing on my feet and hearing a crack. Something had broken in my right foot, and it was in terrible pain. Now I'm on the ground, Bill, writhing in pain with this Bigfoot 30 feet or so away from me, looking at me. There was no way to run, and of course I could not run. And in my mind, I was as good as dead. This monster did not flinch. It stood its ground, looked at me, then it turned and walked away into the trees. I was in so much pain, it was borderline unbearable. Now knowing a Bigfoot was in the trees somewhere next to me, and a 700 foot or so descent below me to get off of this mount, I dragged myself over to the trees where a stout branch was lying on the ground that I grabbed, using it as a crutch, and gradually made my way down the slope. The pain was intense, and I was hoping to God that I could make it back to my truck and out of there. Having made my way back to my jeep, and somehow gotten inside, thank God it was an automatic, as I made my way out. By this time, I thought I would faint from the pain, but making my way out onto the highway, I flagged a trooper who was coming up behind me, and I stopped. He took me in his car to get medical attention, and I asked if he could arrange for a tow of my jeep, which he actually did. I told him nothing about the Bigfoot. I had broken three of my metatarsal bones, cracked my malleolus, and ruptured my Achilles tendon in the fall, which took over a year to heal up. But for me, no more scrambling after that. That was my last hurrah. To this day, I cannot figure out why Bigfoot did what it did in throwing the pebbles at me, as well as reaction to seeing me fall and writhing in pain on the ground. To be honest with you, I guess I expected it to tear me limb from limb, but instead it disappeared. It had to have been 7 feet tall and at least 400 pounds or more, 2.5 to 3 feet wide at the shoulders and very bulky, much like the one we've all seen in the Patterson Gimlin film footage. It had no breasts, and I couldn't see any apparent male components as it was standing in front looking at me. So I could not say what it was. Was it trying to get my attention, scare me off or something else? I do not know. But one thing I do know, Bill, I will never forget that day in Idaho. Touché, man. Wow.

Speaker 2:
[19:53] Rural place. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:55] And that's pretty scary, man.

Speaker 2:
[19:56] I mean, just like a couple. One of those injuries would be brutal. He like combined Taron and Achilles, which they say is the worst with other broken bones in his foot.

Speaker 1:
[20:09] Well, listen, who knows what the surface was like that he actually hit on on the leg.

Speaker 2:
[20:14] Lucky he didn't break his leg, right?

Speaker 1:
[20:16] Yeah, just any angular rock. He's talking 25, 20, 25 feet fall from a rock wall.

Speaker 2:
[20:22] No, when he was first talking about it, I thought for sure he was going to say until the rope caught him, you know, because I thought he had a safety rope on. He's one of these free climbing nut jobs.

Speaker 1:
[20:34] Yeah, scrambling. That's what they call scrambling. Yeah, without without the without the aid of any particular gear, just your hands, a chalk bag, your climbing shoes and you're just going at it.

Speaker 2:
[20:47] That does nothing for me, Bill. I mean, I'm a little adventurous climbing a rock without a safety line.

Speaker 1:
[20:53] No, not happening. Once one slip and you could just you're wiped out.

Speaker 2:
[20:59] You're just you're dead. I mean, if you landed on his head, he'd be dead.

Speaker 1:
[21:02] Oh, yeah. Crack his skull open.

Speaker 2:
[21:03] Forget the old hairy man there to prey on him. Just fall and you're dead.

Speaker 1:
[21:08] Yeah. So yeah, he did a job. Three metatarsals, cracked his malleolus, which is the outer bone on your ankle. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[21:21] I didn't know what that was.

Speaker 1:
[21:23] Yeah. A ruptured Achilles tendon. That is like a grand slam of foot and ankle damage. Yikes. Yeah. So.

Speaker 2:
[21:33] Brutal.

Speaker 1:
[21:34] But the will to survive, to get back down there, 700 feet to his jeep and get out of there.

Speaker 2:
[21:40] No kidding.

Speaker 1:
[21:42] So now this next encounter came from a fellow named Carter Fuller, a resident of Washington State. He shared this following encounter with me. And this is what Carter experienced while sharpening his survival skills in his home state. This encounter happened over 25 years ago, Bill, in the northeast corner of Washington State. I was in the woods, just north of Colville, not far from the Columbia River at the time. Practicing some survival basics, having engaged in some classes locally, I was putting myself to the test. At the time, I was a complete novice. And it was just one of those times in my life, when I had thrown my hat into the ring, so to speak, thinking that this was something good and prudent to do, just in case the need arose. So, today, he says, I no longer practice that kind of thing. It was a flash in the pan of life, as they say, at the time. I should also mention that although I live in Washington, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a hunter. I do own a rifle and a shotgun, being an electrical engineer by trade. I think that many people believe that everybody who lives in a woodsy environment is running around in a coonskin hat, wearing a musket, but such is not the case. So inevitably, Bill, I had planned for three days in the woods. I was actually fully stocked with food and supplies, including a mountain tent and a 30-odd-6 rifle. Now, you may be wondering where the survival training comes into play with all these supplies. Well, here's what it was in a nutshell. I wanted to enter the woods and see what I could muster up without being under any pressure to do so. As far as edibles and drinking water were concerned, it being somewhat of a test based on the few things I had been learning in these classes. Well, to be honest, it didn't work out that well. I more than likely would have died as a survivalist. I brought my rifle for self-defense purposes. And of course, I wanted to see just how many opportunities I may have actually had to shoot something to eat if need be. But as I said, I had plenty of eats with me. So it was on day three, the last day. The last day of my little experiment, I was moving the tent about a mile each day into a different area. That I had, let me reread that. It was on the last day of my little experiment, having been moving the tent about a mile each day into a different area, that I had finished setting up camp and had begun wandering around the trees looking for edibles, that I heard what sounded like a deep cough coming from the woods ahead of me. Now, I could see in this area I had set camp reasonably well around me, aside from the tens of thousands of trees set like random fence posts throughout the forest breaking up my view, but it was not thick brush, so I clamored around and slowly moved forward. Having reached a point where I could see a small clearing covered in wheat-colored grass, something big was lying in it, and I knew it was a grizzly. I removed my field glasses and set them to view this bear in the grass. Its body was barely moving with each breath it took, and then it coughed, which was what I had heard earlier, prompting me to move in this direction, where I was now hunkered down and looking. I then moved into a better position, from which I hoped to get a look at the bear's face in the head, when it let out this deep and guttural groan that was loud, sounded to me like it was in the throes of death or sick, lifting its head in the air as it had done so. When the head rose, there was blood all around its muzzle, and the side of its face around the left eye seemed to be badly damaged and soaked in blood as well, leading me to believe it had been in a nasty fight and was actually dying. My next thought was, where is whatever it had been fighting with? Mind you, if there had been a fight, I had not heard it, so to me it had happened much earlier or it had wandered to this point and dropped in its track from bleeding and pure exhaustion. It was dying, for sure, and that's, I stand by that presumption. At that point, I gradually moved even closer to the bear, reasonably comfortable at this point that it was not going anywhere and more likely minutes away from expiring entirely. When some branches on a large grouping of spruce began to move and then I saw it, this massive Bigfoot now peering directly at me, the upper part of its body now exposed to a certain extent. As far as I was concerned, it had deliberately moved the branches so that I would see it. Otherwise, I would have never seen it in the trees. It was directly in line with the bear lying in front of me, about 50 feet away from the bear. I was also able to see briefly that the side of the bear's face was bashed in all around the left eye, evidently blinded and left mortally wounded by this head damage. What happened next was entirely a knee-jerk reaction on my part. The Bigfoot having suddenly taken two steps, quick steps into the clearing, I squeezed the trigger in response. The beast fell backward into the bows, having not made so much as a sound having been hit at close range with a 30-odd six. There were some sounds of it rustling around on the ground, followed by me seeing it get up and bolting out of the trees, continuing to run deeper into the woods. Well, that was it for me. I took off running the other way back to my tent, broke it down in record time and got the hell out of there. Two years later, I returned to that spot. Having run into a reported Bigfoot hunter in my travels, and the picture I sent you was aware this had all gone down. No evidence was left at the time that the bear or anything else had ever been there. Looking back on the whole of it, I believe that the bear and the Bigfoot got into a fight. And for whatever reason, the Bigfoot had either stayed or followed up on the bear standing in the trees, perhaps to hide from me initially, and watching the bear die. I do not believe it came to eat, because it could have just finished it off before that moment had it wanted to. It seemed to be standing vigil as the victor over its adversary. Now, does this mean that these creatures fight amongst each other regularly? I have no idea. I can only report to you what I saw that day. I have since learned that there are those who believe that both the bears and the Bigfoot will attack each other's young, resulting in skirmishes and fights between them in the woods. But as you know, Bill, all of this is pure speculation and storytelling, in my opinion. I will say this. That thing got up and ran away, not hobbling around wounded, but running faster than you and I could, having been hit at, say, 70 feet distance with a rifle shot. And I'll tell you, Bill, I hit it squarely in the breadbasket, and after it dropped, it stood up and fled the scene. How is that even possible? I have no idea. When it came into view from within the trees, the beast was at least 7 to 8 feet tall and 3 feet wide. Its face was expressionless, with a wide nose laying kind of flat against the face, very broad in human terms. The other thing was how deformed its brow line looked. It seemed like a wide and bony protuberance, going up the forehead a couple of inches and overhanging the eyes, making the eye sockets look significantly set inward. I had said to you that squeezing the trigger was a knee-jerk reaction, and it was. Now, I guess it was an immediate fight-or-flight response, and the fight won out. I thought it was coming for me, Bill, and it very well may have been. Crazy. Wow. I cannot believe being in that situation.

Speaker 2:
[32:21] Absolutely not. Terrifying.

Speaker 1:
[32:26] Like he said, he realized the bear was down. It didn't take him long, apparently, according to what he said, to realize there was something wrong with this bear. The wheezing, the groaning, holding its head up in the air, and then when it lifted its head, as he got a little bit closer, he could see probably just blood-soaked fur and a bashed, bashed in head.

Speaker 2:
[32:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[32:58] And he knew that, you know, what happened here, tree branch fall on this guy and crack his head open, you know. Hey, look, animals are out in the woods too, you know. They don't call tree branches widow-makers for nothing. Anything could have something fall on it out in the timber. But very interesting, huh, man?

Speaker 2:
[33:22] Great account. And it's in Northern Idaho. I mean, sorry, Eastern Washington, really close to Northern Idaho.

Speaker 1:
[33:29] Yeah. Northeast Washington state. He said to north of Colville near the Columbia River.

Speaker 2:
[33:37] Yeah, I think he's mixed up though. The Columbia River is on the south side.

Speaker 1:
[33:41] Really?

Speaker 2:
[33:42] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:42] Well, I don't know. It could have been me that was mixed up misinterpreting the notes that I took from him, you know?

Speaker 2:
[33:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:50] But either way.

Speaker 2:
[33:53] But definitely a lot of wildlife up there. Northeast corner, because that's right adjacent to Northern Idaho.

Speaker 1:
[33:59] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:59] The Panhandle there, Prince Lake, Hayden Lake, all those places.

Speaker 1:
[34:06] It's rife.

Speaker 2:
[34:06] A lot of crazy wildlife.

Speaker 1:
[34:08] Yeah. Rife with wildlife of all sorts. So there you have it, man.

Speaker 2:
[34:13] Two great accounts, Bill.

Speaker 1:
[34:15] Yeah. What a location. And again, we have a shot taken and a Bigfoot getting away.

Speaker 2:
[34:26] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:27] I've heard that before. I like to think all of this stuff is true. If it's not, well, it's a good story. But if it is true, and you get hit with a bullet or two, I fall back to that grizzly that Rich told me about, that monster grizzly that the guy finally took out with a couple of rifle shots at very close range, that had six slugs in it that it lived through.

Speaker 2:
[34:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:58] So, you know, and that is a true encounter. You know what I mean? If you don't think Bigfoot's true, that one is for real. It was a bear that launched at this guy. He took it out, and when they taxidermied it, they pulled six 38 caliber slugs out of it. So...

Speaker 2:
[35:18] So somebody threw some lead at it and threw it accurately, but just not big enough and fast enough versions of lead.

Speaker 1:
[35:25] Yeah, yeah, just not enough to take it down. Philip always says to me, you know, if I hit something, I want it to go down and stay down.

Speaker 2:
[35:35] Yeah, no kidding.

Speaker 1:
[35:36] Remember Dirty Harry? Shooting at that guy running across the football field? You gotta ask yourself, sucker, do I feel lucky?

Speaker 2:
[35:52] Was it five or was it six? In all the excitement, I kind of lost count myself.

Speaker 1:
[36:00] Nothing better than Harry Callahan, man.

Speaker 2:
[36:03] But being this is the most powerful handgun in the world, you gotta be asking yourself one question.

Speaker 1:
[36:12] Do I feel lucky?

Speaker 2:
[36:15] Well, what's it gonna be, punk?

Speaker 1:
[36:20] Remember when he went into the restaurant, sat down and he said to his waitress friend, the usual.

Speaker 2:
[36:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:26] And she just looked at him and brought over something different. Yeah. And he just kind of glanced up at her and she glanced at him, no words. And then he gradually turned his head to the left and saw those three hoods sitting in the booth.

Speaker 2:
[36:40] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:41] And he just got up and pulled out his.44.

Speaker 2:
[36:44] He took out the 44 Magnum, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1:
[36:46] Blew them away.

Speaker 2:
[36:49] Yeah, Inspector Callahan, remember his boss would say to him, people have like a nasty habit of dying around you. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[36:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:00] All right. You're ready?

Speaker 1:
[37:02] Yeah, I'm ready, Freddy.

Speaker 2:
[37:03] Crypt is in the news and other oddities.

Speaker 1:
[37:06] Yes, sir.

Speaker 2:
[37:07] All right. Well, tonight we're heading back to the Midwest.

Speaker 1:
[37:10] Oh, OK.

Speaker 2:
[37:11] And again, to the state of Ohio, to a little sleepy river hug town of Loveland, Ohio, just outside of Cincinnati.

Speaker 1:
[37:25] Is that where the love boat docks?

Speaker 2:
[37:29] No. No, it's where there's some freaky creatures living.

Speaker 1:
[37:35] Oh, we're getting freaky deaky.

Speaker 2:
[37:38] Oh, we're getting freaky deaky. We're talking about the Loveland, Ohio Frogmen.

Speaker 1:
[37:43] Oh, we're talking scuba divers?

Speaker 2:
[37:47] No, not those. Not the ones that jumped in the water to get the Artemis Capsule. Not those. So picture this. We're going to rewind the clock all the way to May 25, 1955.

Speaker 1:
[38:05] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[38:06] And there's this businessman, sometimes identified in the lore as a traveling salesman named Robert Honeycutt.

Speaker 1:
[38:14] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[38:14] And he's making a long drive home from work. You know, he's out on the road selling. He's trying to get home on May 25. It's 3.30 in the morning, 1955. Maybe he's driving a Bel Air Chevy.

Speaker 1:
[38:29] Could be.

Speaker 2:
[38:30] They don't talk about it, but that would be pretty cool.

Speaker 1:
[38:32] 55 Bel Air.

Speaker 2:
[38:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[38:35] Hide top.

Speaker 2:
[38:37] Yep. So he's cruising along. He's navigating the dark roads heading out of Branch Hill neighborhood near the edge of the Little Miami River. His headlights cut through the heavy spring darkness. And as he approaches a poorly lit bridge, the high beams wash over something absolutely impossible. Honeycutt slams on his brakes. Standing on the side of the road are three distinct figures, but they aren't human. Wow. Yep. He says, well, according to Honeycutt's account, they stand perfectly upright on two hind legs, measuring roughly four feet tall. Their skin isn't covered in fur like the other creatures you were just talking about, Bill.

Speaker 1:
[39:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[39:33] But it has a slick, leathery texture. They have webbed hands and webbed feet, and their faces are unmistakably that of an amphibian. Wrinkled, hairless, and bearing wide, bulbous, frog-like features.

Speaker 1:
[39:52] Oh, that's weird. I think if I was confronted with that, I'd be thinking some type of alien or something, you know?

Speaker 2:
[39:58] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1:
[39:59] The height, all uniform and height, three separate kind of miniature creatures, you know?

Speaker 2:
[40:07] Yeah. So these three creatures seem to be completely ignoring Honeycutt's idling vehicle and the lights shining on them. In fact, they appear to be actively talking with one another under the shadow of the bridge.

Speaker 1:
[40:22] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[40:23] Honeycutt sits paralyzed in his car for several minutes, watching this surreal yet horrifying gathering. One of the creatures suddenly turns, raises its webbed hand, and holds a strange, get this Bill, cylindrical device, a wand of some sort, high above its head. Without warning, the wand fires a blinding spray of sparks into the sky.

Speaker 1:
[40:52] That is strange, man.

Speaker 2:
[40:54] I mean, doesn't get any stranger, right?

Speaker 1:
[40:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:59] And Honeycutt sees this and turns around and takes off. Okay. So he doesn't stick around to see what happened.

Speaker 1:
[41:08] Who would?

Speaker 2:
[41:09] I know.

Speaker 1:
[41:10] I mean, but, you know, having been in some strange circumstances, there are situations where you're kind of like numb. It's like you can't go.

Speaker 2:
[41:19] Oh, yeah. Seeing these three, four foot frog like creatures standing there talking to one another. Yeah. So, you know, you might be like, okay, this guy's on LSD or something. You know, what's going on here in the middle of the night? But if you jump 17 years forward, then all of a sudden, two different law enforcement agents see something very similar in the same area, same area. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[41:52] I can't visualize these like amphibians. What the hell is an amphibian of any kind doing with a rod that shoots sparks into the air?

Speaker 2:
[42:03] I know.

Speaker 1:
[42:04] It's like some type of electrical device or whatever the hell it was doing with it. But, you know, if you live in the water, you're not carrying around any electrical equipment.

Speaker 2:
[42:14] I don't know what the heck it is, Bill, but it's definitely way out there.

Speaker 1:
[42:18] Yeah, way out there.

Speaker 2:
[42:19] So now, picture March 3, 1972. At exactly 1 a.m., Loveland police officer Ray Schakey was out on a routine night patrol. It was freezing cold, icy night in southwestern Ohio. Schakey was driving his cruiser slowly along Riverside Drive, carefully navigating the slick curves near where they make totes boots, Bill, believe it or not, totes boot factory.

Speaker 1:
[42:49] Like the rubber boots we're by today? Totes?

Speaker 2:
[42:52] Right where the road parallels the Little Miami River. Again, the same river.

Speaker 1:
[42:57] OK.

Speaker 2:
[42:58] Out of the gloom, Schakey spotted something huddled on the icy asphalt. At first glance, he assumed it was a dog that had been struck by a passing car. But as his cruiser approached, the animal suddenly bolted. Darting directly in front of his vehicle, Schakey slammed on the brakes, bringing the heavy police cruiser sliding to a terrifying halt. Caught squarely in the blinding glare of the hybrids, the creature froze. Officer Schakey stared through the windshield, his mind struggling to process what he was looking at.

Speaker 1:
[43:34] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[43:35] It was four feet tall, weighing an estimated 50 to 75 pounds. It had thick leathery skin, and the creature was crouched low to the freezing ground, exactly like a massive overgrown frog.

Speaker 1:
[43:51] So this is 17 years later.

Speaker 2:
[43:53] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:54] We start with a salesman, and we end up with a cop.

Speaker 2:
[43:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[44:00] Both giving a very similar description, four feet tall, like an overgrown frog.

Speaker 2:
[44:06] Yep.

Speaker 1:
[44:07] The other guy said it had frog-like features. Yeah. Leathery skin. So did the cop see the, did this thing pull out a wand again?

Speaker 2:
[44:19] No wand this time.

Speaker 1:
[44:20] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[44:21] And then two weeks later, okay, after Officer Schocke saw it in mid-March, another really cold night, Officer Mark Matthews was driving along Kemper Road right in the same vicinity of the Toad's Boot Factory and Matthews had initially received a call from Schocke after the first incident. And he later admitted he hadn't fully believed his colleague, though he noted Schocke at the time was genuinely and deeply rattled. So as Matthews drove into the freezing night, he spotted something lying motionless on the pavement.

Speaker 1:
[45:01] Same thing, same scenario.

Speaker 2:
[45:04] Thinking it was dead roadkill, he stopped his cruiser, got out and approached to clear the hazard from the icy road. But as his heavy police boots crunched on the icy asphalt, the carcass suddenly sprang to life. The creature snapped into a crouched position. It perfectly matched Chocky's bizarre description. Leathery skin, bipedal potential, terrifyingly amphibian. However, it didn't leap over the guardrail like it did with Officer Chocky. Instead, it scrambled and ducked under the guardrail to escape.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] Look at that, huh?

Speaker 2:
[45:44] Yeah, here we go, Bill. Now listen to this. Matthew's acting on pure adrenaline and knowing that absolutely no one in BARTNER would ever believe his story without some physical proof, drew his service weapon and fired at the fleeing anomaly. He wounded the creature, but it managed to escape into the dark riverside brush.

Speaker 1:
[46:07] Wow. So he must have saw it get hit like impact and lurch or something, you know?

Speaker 2:
[46:14] Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And then they haven't seen the thing since.

Speaker 1:
[46:22] Wow. But we started out with three creatures, right? Yeah. On the bridge sighting in 55.

Speaker 2:
[46:29] And each police officer saw one.

Speaker 1:
[46:32] One and one. And after he hit it with a round, nothing was seen of it since then.

Speaker 2:
[46:40] Nope. 1972.

Speaker 1:
[46:43] That is some bizarre stuff, man. And you know, folks, lots of people think that, you know, where are the pictures? We hear that all the time, right? Well, everybody's got a cell phone. Where are the pictures? But, you know, when you're confronted with an odd situation like this, so out of the box, so out of the ordinary, there is a time when you're just, your brain is just trying to make hide nor hair out of what you're seeing. You're just trying to process, is this real? Am I losing my mind? All of these thoughts go through your head like it can't be. And you don't just pull out your camera, even if you have it in your hand, and start snapping photographs. I get it, you know, and that's 100%.

Speaker 2:
[47:39] No, 100%. And by the way, Bill, I mean, this is like not scary like that, but just an example, like a real life example. When I was up in the Canadian Rockies two weeks ago now, right? The one morning, it's 10 o'clock in the morning. And I see what I think is a wolf, but it's a coyote. Remember I told you about the super furry kind of husky looking coyote, compared to the scrawny ones we have?

Speaker 1:
[48:06] Yeah, they were big.

Speaker 2:
[48:07] Big and furry and light gray. And I didn't have a chance to take a picture of it. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:15] And you're looking at it.

Speaker 2:
[48:16] I'm looking at it.

Speaker 1:
[48:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:19] You know, I saw it for probably eight or nine seconds, which is a long time. Yeah. But I didn't have a chance to take my phone out. First, I was like, what is that?

Speaker 1:
[48:28] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:29] And it wasn't like a Sasquatch.

Speaker 1:
[48:31] You know, I mean, it's just a process you're going through. Wolf, coyote, too big to be a coyote that I know.

Speaker 2:
[48:39] Yeah. But I mean, you're not like...

Speaker 1:
[48:41] Off in the woods.

Speaker 2:
[48:41] Camera.

Speaker 1:
[48:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[48:43] Camera.

Speaker 1:
[48:44] Quick.

Speaker 2:
[48:44] Open.

Speaker 1:
[48:44] And then gone into the woods.

Speaker 2:
[48:46] Picture.

Speaker 1:
[48:47] Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 2:
[48:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:49] So you shot your ten seconds trying to resolve in your mind, what am I looking at?

Speaker 2:
[48:56] What am I looking at?

Speaker 1:
[48:57] And by the time you were done, it was gone.

Speaker 2:
[49:00] It's gone.

Speaker 1:
[49:02] Amazing. Yeah. What did your guide say about that? Was he the one who told you like the coyotes are big up here?

Speaker 2:
[49:09] Yeah. No, he saw it. He was like, Oh, no, that's because I said, look, the wolf. He's like, No, that's coyote. And I was like, Wow, it looks like a wolf. And he said, Yeah, they're big and furry, you know, because so cold.

Speaker 1:
[49:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:20] You know, they need a lot more fur than compared to North Carolina.

Speaker 1:
[49:24] Yeah. It's amazing, isn't it?

Speaker 2:
[49:25] And they eat a little better, too, apparently, because this thing was chunky.

Speaker 1:
[49:29] Well, if they're pack animals and they are, you know, you get you get a couple of say you had five or six of those large coyotes.

Speaker 2:
[49:40] Yeah. They could just, you know, it's interesting. They're not historically pack animals like wolves, like wolves are. But the coyotes, they say they've learned to be pack animals, or they can learn to be pack animals so they could survive.

Speaker 1:
[49:55] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:55] And, you know, they thrive, right? This coyote is everywhere, like you probably got them too. They say they have them in New York City.

Speaker 1:
[50:05] I don't know how the hell they get in New York City.

Speaker 2:
[50:08] Well, look, this I live on this little island in North Carolina out at the coast.

Speaker 1:
[50:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:13] And I mean, there's a ton of them there. Like, how do you guys get here? You came across the bridge or did you swim or both?

Speaker 1:
[50:22] Yeah, I guess they could swim or I guess they can run across the bridge. Who's going to stop them if they run across?

Speaker 2:
[50:30] I don't know, but a lot of them, you know?

Speaker 1:
[50:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:34] So they're resilient.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] Well, listen, if you get a few of them over there and they have a mating pair or two, they start having, what do they call it when they have?

Speaker 2:
[50:49] Like a litter?

Speaker 1:
[50:50] A litter, thank you. That's what I was thinking of. When they start having a litter once a year or whatever the adjustation period is.

Speaker 2:
[50:57] But it's real interesting to read about them. I mean, you know, this episode isn't about coyotes, but it is interesting to read about them because they are thriving like all across the United States now in cities, in the country and that. And people that try to wipe them out, they fail tremendously because it's like the coyotes in sense when they're under stress as a population. And then they actually have more pups in that situation.

Speaker 1:
[51:30] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[51:30] It's pretty crazy.

Speaker 1:
[51:32] It is crazy. And like this hog thing down south and around with different locations. You know, my buddy Neil down in Georgia, I mean, these guys will let anybody anytime they want to come in and shoot pigs.

Speaker 2:
[51:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[51:51] Because they are a real problem. And if you want to stay there day and night and keep cracking them, you feel free to do so.

Speaker 2:
[52:00] Have at it.

Speaker 1:
[52:01] And everybody knows the problem. So nobody's going to tell you, no, you can't do that, you know? Yeah. It's like you're doing a public service.

Speaker 2:
[52:11] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[52:13] Wow. So, Kev, what do we got now? We'll listen to mail. Anything going on?

Speaker 2:
[52:16] Yeah, we got a good letter here. So this is an interesting one. So this gentleman writes in, his name is Joseph, and he is a filmmaker. And he says he's the filmmaker behind the award-winning film, The Sasqual-a-Sasquologists. That's hard to say. And apparently, it drops here in a couple of weeks on April 28th. He said it's not a documentary, but rooted in the Bigfoot world. And folks, I can't comment on whether this is quality or not. I never heard of it until I got this email. He says, with a deeper meaning about the legend, I'm also the producer behind the documentary, Sasquatch and the Missing Man, the Wes Germer origin story. While filming that, something happened out there that stuck with me. And I'd love to share that with your audience. I'm not hitting you up for some generic promo tour ask. I think there's actually a real conversation here. Why guys go looking for this type of thing in the first place? And what happens when something answers back? If you're open to it, I could send you a private screener and jump on the show. The trailer can be seen at my website, josephgranda.com. Thank you, Joseph. I don't know if you reached out to him, Bill, might be interesting.

Speaker 1:
[53:38] Yeah, no, I haven't. But you know, I'm busier than a one-armed wallpaper over here.

Speaker 2:
[53:43] Yeah. Let's see. And if you're listening, Joseph, send us the link to the trailer.

Speaker 1:
[53:50] Yeah. No. And how does he do that, Kevin?

Speaker 2:
[53:55] bigfootterrorinthewoods.com, contact us.

Speaker 1:
[53:58] That's it. And if you've seen something, folks, say something. It's amazing. Kevin shared on the last podcast after he was up in Canada, how he just broke the ice with the guide. Have you seen a Bigfoot? And he wound up learning something out of the process. You know, we had that great account of that trapper.

Speaker 2:
[54:24] Yeah, that historical account. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[54:26] I mean, that's as legit as legit comes.

Speaker 2:
[54:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[54:31] If you don't believe him, you know, you got rocks in your head. You know, if a trapper doesn't know what he's looking at, as far as tracks in the snow goes, you know, you're out of luck.

Speaker 2:
[54:44] Yeah, that guy covered, remember, 60,000 miles. Yeah. Up there and around the country, around the continent, really, on foot, horseback and canoe.

Speaker 1:
[54:56] Yeah. I don't even know how he lived.

Speaker 2:
[54:58] I don't know. That's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[54:59] You know, you would think a guy like that would have dropped that out there somewhere and never would have been found again.

Speaker 2:
[55:05] All right. Well, cool, folks. Thank you for listening. Thank you for those Five Star Reviews and keep those emails coming. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:14] And folks, if you should find yourself hiking, rock scrambling in Idaho, or walking through the woods in Washington state or anywhere else for that matter, you best remember one thing, my friends. Always carry more gun than you think you're going to need. Sleep tight.