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Speaker 1:
[00:01] It's all about the macroproductions. What does the goddamn line say, Tony?

Speaker 2:
[00:10] Please do not use gendered language. Then what? I'll be arrested, put in airport jail? Well, you're going completely sideways, man. It's a big club, and you ain't in it.

Speaker 1:
[00:23] How dare you?

Speaker 2:
[00:24] Mr. Speaker, the President of the United States.

Speaker 3:
[00:28] I'm Chris Hansen, the president of NBC.

Speaker 2:
[00:33] Hi, I'm Spartacus.

Speaker 3:
[00:34] The hijackers in Sacramento, he him.

Speaker 4:
[00:35] Steven Seagal. Sex offender guy.

Speaker 1:
[00:38] I'm Keith Morris.

Speaker 4:
[00:41] I'm Rick James, bitch.

Speaker 2:
[00:43] Sorting through the lies.

Speaker 1:
[00:45] The hijackers passport was found blocks from the World Trade Center, a crash site if you can believe that.

Speaker 4:
[00:50] We cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars in transactions.

Speaker 1:
[00:54] And uncovering the centuries-long plan for world domination.

Speaker 5:
[00:58] We're in the back of Cuba, having some food.

Speaker 2:
[01:00] Let's talk about Chinese people.

Speaker 4:
[01:02] Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

Speaker 2:
[01:08] I have sent six of my Libyan missiles to blow up the CIA's hardware department.

Speaker 3:
[01:25] And now, Macroaggressions. With your host.

Speaker 2:
[01:33] Charlie Robinson.

Speaker 3:
[01:56] Welcome to Macroaggressions, I'm your host, Charlie Robinson. If you're watching us on Rumble, Band.Video, Vigilante TV, now back on YouTube, or you are listening wherever podcasters serve, thanks so much. We appreciate your support. We've been doing it for a while now, here, over six years. Thanks so much. macroaggressions.io is the website. You can find out everything that we are working on over there. We hope that you take a look at our sponsors because they provide a solution to a problem that you may have. Legal Shield has been in business for half a century in the United States and Canada. They'll get you access to an attorney in your area for a very, very reasonable price. How's a dollar a day sound? 30 bucks a month. Get you in the door over at Legal Shield. You can have access to an attorney that has, on average, 22 years of experience, so you're not gonna get stuck with some junior person who doesn't know anything. If you don't have your documentation wrapped up now, like your last will and testament, your medical directive, your financial power of attorney, you've got to have that done. We saw during COVID what happens when you don't. It's a huge problem. Nobody wants to spend $1,000, $2,000 to have this paperwork drafted, but you need it. I offer you a solution to that. If you use Legal Shield, you can knock it all out in the first month. You'll just have access to an attorney. You have an app on your phone. Just tell them, I need these documents. Click, click, click. It's like a touch screen. It's so easy to use. You can knock it all out in the first month. This thing will pay for itself for the next three years just by doing that. So if you're interested, go to the website that is specific to this show, dontgetpushedaround.com. Go there, read up about Legal Shield, see if it's right for you, go ahead and pull the trigger. It's the best money you'll ever spend. If you have like parking tickets, speeding tickets, red light tickets, things like that, you can hand it off to your attorney and don't ever sign a legal document again until you run it by your, give it to your lawyer, have them take a look at it. That's what they're for, right? Use them, put them to work for you, get your money's worth. So if you're interested, go to dontgetpushedaround.com and check it out for yourself. Also, there's nothing worse than feeling shitty. You gotta be proactive about this. And Christian Jordan has been my certified health practitioner for the last couple of years here. And I ditched Western doctors a long time ago. They don't work for me. I don't need them. I don't believe the things that they believe. But if you are suffering from things like you're not getting sleep, you have brain fog, your stomach is messed up, sort of low sex drive, kind of low energy, the good news is it's all fixable, right? The bad news is if you go to a Western doctor, they're gonna be trying to guess what's wrong with you, right? Christian can dial it all in. You can go to his website, livelongerformula.com. Check it out for yourself. Just read about it. And if you sign up with him, just tell him that I sent you, what you're gonna do is you're gonna do some tests with him, like an organic acids test. So you're gonna find out exactly what's going on in your stomach. More than likely, you've got some sort of gut issue. You've got candida. You've got some sort of ailment there, totally fixable, but you can't guess at which one it is. So this is what I'm saying. If you feel bad, you can change that. It's up to you. You gotta be proactive. Go to livelongerformula.com and check it out for yourself and tell Christian Yordan that I sent you. All right. You're gonna enjoy this interview with Rich Willett. You guys, are you familiar with Rich Willett? Well, if you've ever watched David Icke do anything, any of his movies, any of his shows or anything like that, what you're not seeing is Rich Willett. He's behind the camera. He's the director of everything David does. So, and we've had a great relationship for a number of years, and we plan on working together in the future on a project that we've been talking about for at least six years. So maybe some point we'll get that figured up. But until then, please enjoy this conversation with the great Rich Willett. You know, I saw your other half, your other podcast half in Mexico a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 5:
[06:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[06:12] Can you tell you about the party we went to, the late night, we rolling in at 2.30 in the morning from-

Speaker 5:
[06:18] He didn't actually. He's not told me anything about that at all. No, he hasn't. He was sheepishly quiet.

Speaker 3:
[06:25] We were good. We just wound up, we were at this party for the Tesla Club, the Tesla company. Yeah. I think you see them now. They're advertising on Iconic. We just wound up in one of those days, a big party where a lot of the VIP vigilante insiders club people were there and things like that. But then that ended at 11 o'clock at night and shuttle buses came, took everyone back to the hotels and it was just like a few of us. It was like Gareth and his wife, Chris, the head of finance for Dollar Vigilante and his wife were there. Stu Peters, Big GTP, Rafael La Verde from Dollar Vigilante, Berwick was there, Curtis Stone, Cal Washington. It's a great group and we just all sat around talking about the state of the world, where we are, what our place is. It was one of those things where we went on for about two hours. You know what it was? It was like a live podcast, really.

Speaker 5:
[07:44] I mean, it was like that thing.

Speaker 3:
[07:46] But it was like so honest and raw. And after like an hour in, someone was like, man, like we should have hit record on this one. You know? And so we wound up, they brought a separate shuttle bus for us at two o'clock in the morning to get us all back to the hotels because we had outstayed our welcome at this mansion down on the beach. But I just didn't know if Gareth had told you that because we all struggled.

Speaker 5:
[08:14] No, I saw him last week, but we didn't really speak that. We did what have, but other than that, we were in and out and doing all sorts of filming in the studio. So we were to whirlwind when I saw him last week. So no, he hasn't really, didn't say anything about it, but I'll pick his brains about that.

Speaker 3:
[08:32] Did you see Tony Arterburn when he came through your studio?

Speaker 5:
[08:35] He interviewed me, well, we kind of had a chat. So we kind of interviewed each other on the set, on the Bring the Fire set, which is one of Gazz's shows. So yeah, it was lovely. Really, really nice man. Really nice guy. Really sweet man. So yeah, no, it was lovely to meet him. So we did, yeah, we spent a few hours together. A couple of days he was there. I spent a few hours with him.

Speaker 3:
[08:58] So he bought that trip at an auction at Anarcapulco.

Speaker 5:
[09:04] Really?

Speaker 3:
[09:05] Not this year, but last year. He was one of the sponsors and then we'll have these really cool events or experiences or workshops or whatever it is. Certain things people will offer to donate and auction them off. And David was nice enough to offer his time, which is of course the most valuable thing you have. And it was a tour of the Iconic Studio, and I think Gaz was involved in this too. I mean, they were all kind of making that happen. A tour of the Iconic Studio and chance to interview David and all the things that Tony wound up doing. He did that through this auction. And then the proceeds, and I forget, I don't know how much he wound up spending on it. But the proceeds then go to this orphanage in Acapulco. I had no idea. They've been doing that for years within Acapulco. So that's the reason why Tony Arterburn was specifically there, was because he had a Willy Wonka golden ticket and he wanted to cash it in at some point. So he did.

Speaker 5:
[10:11] I had no idea. I had no idea at all. He didn't even mention that. So it was lovely to meet him though. It was really nice to feel part of it all a bit more, because sometimes you kind of feel a little off to the side a little bit. So it was nice to speak, because I've not met many people other than Chen across the line. I physically met, I don't think many. Maybe Tony is the only one, actually, I've physically met. Yeah, I don't get to meet many people, because I'm just hidden away.

Speaker 3:
[10:42] Well, one of these days, maybe Mexico. Mexico is calling. It's calling for you.

Speaker 5:
[10:48] Yeah, when the kids are a little bit bigger, maybe.

Speaker 3:
[10:50] Yeah, a little bit bigger. Make a family trip out of it, maybe? I'm just saying, direct flights from London. What are you working on? What's going on over at Iconic? Every time I... Are you doing all kinds of things?

Speaker 5:
[11:06] Have we actually started?

Speaker 3:
[11:07] Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[11:08] Oh, sorry. I didn't even know we were into it. There you go. And put on my radio voice yet. And what are we working on? So what are we working on? Well, right now, we're actually just like, getting into a really weird stage at Iconic, to be honest, because we kind of got through the early stages of building it, and now we're in this kind of stage where we're trying new things out. We realized that David's got his own thing going, and we need to be independent of what David's doing at some point in the future. So we're trying to do new shows, we're trying to build our own audiences, but what I'm doing, so I'm working on now a thing called Psycho Babble. So my kind of thing now is I'm trying to lean into the true crime genre a little bit more, because what I've noticed is that there's a big disconnect or a disconnect between the things that these lunatics do when you listen to the crime, true crime stuff, when if they've got any famous people on there, and the actual cult that they just disregard. So I want to kind of like go, look, some of this stuff isn't just criminal behavior, they have some really weird ideologies and really weird, almost sometimes religious, understandings or plans for the world and us involved. And it comes out as crime on the level, but you're missing a whole bedrock of information. They're like the Epstein stuff is a classic example. It's, let's talk about the child trafficking, which is horrific, obviously, and the comprimat. But let's totally disregard the, you know, until recently, the transhumanist agenda, the genetic stuff. So the true crime world and the conspiracy world don't need to be as separate. So I'm kind of like going in that direction a little bit more now. So I'm working on Psycho Babble is a six part show that I'm working on with Iconic, where we're filming all things about what make these, the interviews with people in that kind of psychology arena about what makes people tick these people. And then I'm doing a show on YouTube of my own, which is actually really doing, starting to do really well called Making Monsters. And it is like a single profile of an individual. And I go through that childhood and what made them the way they are and their parents influence the ideology. And then I put them in the middle of the conspiracy, the grand conspiracy, why they're there and what their ideologies and their mindset brings to the table. So I've done Jared Kushner, Donald Trump, Netanyahu, and I've just recorded today, Miriam Adelson. So they're not all going to be Zionists.

Speaker 3:
[14:07] Starting with the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, I see.

Speaker 5:
[14:10] Basically, I kicked off with these, but it goes into, so I, but it's set in a more true crime kind of element, but they fit hand in hand. So it's true crime profiling of these people, then going, and how do they become monsters? Or how are they becoming monsters that are affecting us on a global level? So my kind of future really, kind of like trying to measure the gap between those two worlds of, and it's different, there's no one else that are doing it.

Speaker 3:
[14:40] I don't know why you can't, because there's so many of these people, they're halfway there anyway. I mean, there's channels like here in the US, Discovery Channel, but then they have a spin-off channel, Investigative Discovery ID, and that's like hour long documentaries on serial killers and Charles Manson and people who, you know, neighbors who went awry and murdered their, you know, spouse and things that, you know, crazy stuff like that. We've got the best stories around. Like the conspiracy world has stories that are true crime. You don't have to make them up. I mean, they're not, they don't have to be fictional. So it's almost like, where do you start with this? Because you can, you can go any direction you want. So it's how long are you going on this? Is it, is there like a structured format? Is this like, you're going for an hour on this, or are you, it's just kind of uncut?

Speaker 5:
[15:35] Just sit down, they're usually about half an hour long, these things. And I pick like, I pick the psychology element of what that person kind of fits into in terms of their bracket of, of ism, their kind of like psychological profile. I'm not a psychologist, I can't diagnose people, but we've been around long enough to understand the mentality of these people. And what's missing from the people that do do the psychology part of it is they don't understand the conspiracy. They don't understand the ideology. They don't understand transhumanism. They don't understand messianism, the messianic age. They don't understand end times prophecies. So they have a huge chunk of information missing from their profile. Their profiling of these people. So you can profile someone down the road who might end up being a serial killer. But you can do the same thing for Miriam Adelson and, you know, Bill Gates and these guys. But they have this added other element of being given this narrative, this ideological story of their part in this because they're special. And they've grown up to think they're special. And everything around them has proved that they are special. They have to worry about money and they can do whatever they want. So it's a kind of, I call it a trauma bomb. It's ready to kick off. And that's what you're seeing in the Middle East is what's happening. Is this ideology is being run through these people that have been brought up in a way to think they're gods. And it is a so missing connect between the true crime world and the conspiracy world of understanding what these people actually how they become what they are. So I think it's in a real fascinating era. And I also think it's a really important thing for us to not, when we go into the conspiracy world, like me and you have been working in for decades now, you kind of get stuck in that little genre of world, which is really important. But it's also important to bring people over from the mainstream. And right now, we're getting to the point where, like, I've been speaking about Epstein and what's under Zorro Ranch for years now, that's just appeared in The Daily Mail, like weeks ago, two weeks ago. So it's basically my research and a few other people and Juliette Bryant and just people like myself starting to creep out. And I feel like we need to kind of meet him in the hallway a little bit and go look, these Jeffrey Epstein wasn't just a criminal, he was, he had an ideology. He thought he was special for a reason, for a narrative. And they call it in like Sleepers, in Spycraft, they call it a legend. They give a legend to like a KGB agent. They'll give him a false background. Well, this legend, these people believe it. They believe their legend. That's why a lot of them have different names. They change their name three or four times. Tommy Robinson is, not Tommy Robinson, is he? So they have different names. They play characters and they buy into it. And I think there's a whole little, like little connect here that we can, we can look into that no one else is looking into. And I want to kind of plug myself into that, into the psychology of these monsters that are becoming monsters. And then off the back of that, there'll be another kind of element where I can look into and all of that is feeding the technology of the future. There's becoming the biggest monster, the beast. And that is a representation of these people's mentality. So all kind of like the psychology, I think, of these people gets missing. So another example I can give you Charlie is the Charles Manson thing. I've read the Charles Manson stuff and I've read things like it was a robbery gone wrong. And I'm like, what are you talking about? And they miss out the entire point that Charles Manson one was involved with offshoots of Freemasonry and the OTO and Crowley, if you really look into it. And he would have known about Rosemary's baby. He would have known about the moon child. Therefore, you've got Polanski obviously being the director of Rosemary's baby eventually, but also the husband of Sharon Tate who they murdered and killed who was eight months pregnant. There was a satanic element to that. But there was also an ideological element of, are they going after this woman because thinking this woman's got the devil's child? Do they think they're doing the right thing? They brainwash themselves to think that they're saving the world. Because a lot of people, I believe, in this cult, do believe. They've been brainwashed. They've been sold that story. So I think if we're going to stop these guys, we also need to understand the way they think and what they believe and the stories that have been told and how they see themselves within that story. Not just the conspiracy side of connecting the dots, which is what we do for a living. So I think there's a whole deep level here that is really interesting. And also I think mostly is that people who in the true crime world, who listen to true crime podcasts but would turn their nose up a conspiracy podcast, might find their way into realizing that there's much more going on here. So I see that as a link that's missing.

Speaker 3:
[20:48] For sure. With Epstein especially, it's like come for the island debauchery that is very, you know, daily mail TMZ. But if that's what got you here, you're gonna be missing this whole other story of the arms trafficking and Southern Air Transport and Les Wexner and the mega group and transhumanism and Martin Nowak at Harvard. And it's like, you've got the greatest true crime stories just sprouting off of the Epstein conspiracy onion. And it can keep you going for years and years on that one. But you mentioned sort of the narrative or the story that's crafted for these people in the tech world in particular, and it makes me think, and you mentioned Bill Gates. Bill Gates is the perfect example of this. So here we go. Here's his origin story, right? I mean, you know it better than anybody. Freshman nerd at Harvard starts a transformational software company with stolen technology, starts it in his dorm room, winds up moving west, gets investigated for antitrust, starts a charitable foundation. Am I talking about Bill Gates anymore, or am I talking about Zuckerberg? Or am I talking about the same person? Because they're the exact same stories.

Speaker 5:
[22:15] Exactly. It's the same profile.

Speaker 3:
[22:18] It's the same thing, right? It's the Palo Alto garage where Hewlett Packard springs out of Google, forms into existence. Not in the In-Q-Tel basement, not at Stanford Research Institute, not with Alex Carp's money at In-Q-Tel, none of that. No, no, no. Just got lucky in their garage, magic potion, right place at the right time, anyone could happen, that could happen to you, right? That's the narrative that's being sold to the general public?

Speaker 5:
[22:50] Yep, that's the legend. That's the legend that the spies get given when they make up a new carriage from their self, their background. And Maryam Alderson's even got one. So she came over from, and there's always some missing link that doesn't make sense. So she came over from Poland, her family did anyway, and Holocaust survivors, and then there's all of this kind of, woe is me about that sort of stuff. And you go, okay, well, obviously, that happened to many, many people. But then you look into her parents, they were running a movie theater. They were very wealthy. How do you go from being someone who's just escaped World War II to running movie theaters for expats and charge a lot of money, therefore becoming very wealthy? Where's that disconnect there? So you can't tell me you're poor. Like she plays on the old, actually she talks about Amalek, but she plays on the, I just want to help everybody. It's called communal narcissism. That's what it's actually called. It's the philanthropist. They all do it. It's the, I'm the holier than now, nicer than nice. I come from nothing. I'm a victim. She's part of, actually her father was very well in with social Zionism, and they lived on this thing that was basically socialism or communism, very similar isms. But it was a farming thought sort of thing. But when you really look at it, it looks like a Mormon bloody cult. There's always missing things. You're like, where did you get the money from to set up a cinema, to have the biggest cinema there? Really, what were you doing? Was that a shop fund? The legend doesn't ever make proper sense when you pick it apart. And they're always the rags to riches. Oh, woe is me, I've grown out. And you see videos of Miriam Alderson, and she's saying, oh, my mother was deeply upset, and she never talked about the... She said she didn't know about the Holocaust until she was 16. Miriam Alderson, come on. Nonsense, what are you... We couldn't talk about it, it was too... What are you talking about? And then she contradicts herself in the next bit and talks about her auntie and her nana, sorry. And it's always victimization. There's nothing about the story makes any sense. And this is this commune, and it's an actual thing, it's called communal narcissism. It's the philanthropist, it's the I'm holier than holy, I'm that little sweet blonde woman who wouldn't hurt anybody, but she's actually an evil narcissistic witch who funded a genocide through Donald Trump and Netanyahu. So nothing makes sense. So that's why it's important to understand how these people operate, and they always fit into what you would call an archetype from Carl Jung or a character profile. You've got the grandiose narcissist, which is Donald Trump, and he's all out there, and he's all over the place, and he's look at me, look at me, everything's a competition. And again, you have the covert narcissist, who's someone more like Jared Kushner in terms of they do things in the background a little bit more quiet. I mean, there's more to it than that. But you have these different kind of personality disorders in these people. And then you've got someone with a personality disorder, like that, who's been brought up in these weird families with a lot of money and a lot of privilege, who they pretend they don't. And then they're fed in this ideology, where they're saving the world through every sin. And this is where we end up. And it's like, and I call it a trauma bomb. So that's why I think it's so important. And I also think the added benefit of talking like this about conspiracy world and the conspiracy is that actually, it allows people that are into true crime and allows people into, you know, like their psychology and profiling to go, actually, this makes sense. Like there's a logic to what these people are saying. And now I can see how Donald Trump doesn't blink an eye at 20,000 children dead in Palestine, 70,000, because they're mentally tapped. And here's what they believe. And here's the legend they've been sold. Here's the story they've been told. And here's their profile of what the sort of person they've become, because they're brought up around this. And I just think there was a gap there that's missing in what we do, that I'm trying to plug myself into to go, actually, this is logical. Yeah. This is logical. We don't have to believe it. And I know you say this a lot, for them to believe it. But here's why. Here's why Elon Musk, who is on the Asperger's Spectrum, you can feel sorry for him because of the way he's grown up. And I think we've discussed this before. But he's also been fed this legend, this ideology, that now he's going to take people to Mars and he's going to do all of this. And you can see how they become the monsters that they have become. And I think that's a real important part that is missing from what we do. And I'm trying to bring that element. I'm always looking for that, what can I add to this? And not just repeat.

Speaker 3:
[27:51] It's the George Costanza element to it. It's not a lie if you believe it. Right? It's not a lie that you're taking people to Mars. If you believe it, if you've got the billions and you've got access to the money and you're doing the show and you're building rockets and you're doing all this, what part is it legend and what part has he blurred that line?

Speaker 5:
[28:23] I think it's a really important part because it all starts with story, the legend, the story. Everything comes from the story. So the whole biblical text, people understood back then of stories, how important and how powerful stories are. Everything is a story. The way we are talking right now is a story. Everything is the story. But it's also cybernetic. So it's a system of telling the story, getting the reaction, reiterating the story that slightly changes the legend, a style that changes the history. And it becomes a whirlpool of this. So like this is the amelek of the biblical text. And even Miriam Adelson talks about, she says, oh, I have to remind myself all the time what amelek is. No, there was no evidence there was any of this ever happened, the exodus ever happened. 40 years in the desert, there's nothing, there's no bloody litter. There's no way of, there's no bones in the desert. There's no evidence you ever went to the desert. But apparently amelek stuck up behind them and attacked them. And they were the victims again. And now they're just getting there. It's the same story. And always the victims. But that's the story they've been told. Now it's whether they're cognitive of the story they've been told. I think she will fall well know that it's nonsense at her level and her fame and her richness. But there's people that most people don't know it's a story they've been saturated in this. Everybody's against us, everybody hates us. Me against the world is very powerful. So these stories that these people tell themselves creates the legend and the world they live in. And also they create, gives them a character. It gives them a place within that world and a purpose. And they're always the hero. We're always the hero in the story. So even if you're killing 20,000 children or 70,000 people, it's all right, they're amulet. We need to do that. Redemption through sin. We're repairing the world. Tikun Ulam. We're doing it. It's an inversion. And even though deep down they know that that's killing people is not right, is it? Yes, but they sell themselves a story. Therefore, the story starts off a story, and they start to act out in the world. So these end time prophecies, nonsense that we're seeing playing out now, the power of that story now is going to be played out in the world. And there isn't going to be a Jesus coming back. There isn't going to be an Antichrist and all this stuff. It will be framed that way. Of course it will. But none of it has to happen. Human beings are doing it. And this is the psychopathy of it all. It's a disconnect between reality that you're creating and your own kind of input in it. It's a really weird thing. And when trauma is involved and you become disassociated with the world around you and it becomes too painful, so Donald Trump can't look at the fact that he's responsible for 70,000 people dying because he can't look at that. He can't accept that. He'll have to frame it in a way that allows him to get up in the morning and be granddad. He did it for a reason. He did it for the goodness.

Speaker 3:
[31:30] Defending our freedoms is what I hear, usually.

Speaker 5:
[31:34] And he will have to convince himself of that. And all of them will have to convince themselves of that. And that's what fascinates me. That is psychopathy. That's like knowing something is wrong, but then just deep frying yourself in information that backs up, makes you the good guy. And this is what they've done for thousands of years. And now we're seeing the explosion of this trauma bomb. And it's shattering across the world. And it's these stories, these end time prophecies. And I just think the only real way of getting to the root of these people is to make people understand that you're dealing with people that are deeply broken because of these stories, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[32:20] Yeah, if the goal is that you have to have the end times and that means that everybody's gotta hate you and everybody's gonna come for you, right? And that's sort of like the prerequisite to this. It's like, well, then you can just work backwards from that. You go, okay, so like normal people would say, we don't want the end times. These lunatics are like, no, we're waiting here. We've been waiting our entire lives for the end times. It's like, all right, well, then what do you need to see to know that the end times are here? Why need X, Y, and Z to happen? It's like, all right, well, then somebody goes, why, let's go make X, Y, and Z happen. Like, why don't we just go make it and don't tell them, right? But we'll go out there and make those things happen. And then they'll see it and they'll say, well, shit, that's the sign we've been waiting for. And then we're off, right? Now, everybody can hate us and we can start the war of all wars and Albert Pike could be right and we can do all this thing. And if that's the case, then it's easy to understand how you work backwards to get into World War III. Once you remove what all of us would be assuming, which is that you're trying to not start World War III. Once you remove that from the equation and say, well, what if you were trying to start World War III? Would it look any differently than how it's going right now? Because I don't know, it feels like they're actively trying to kick this thing off to bring about this final end times so that they can say, see, we were right all along.

Speaker 5:
[33:48] Well, it doesn't even, I mean, feels like it's one thing. Blatantly obvious is that's what they're doing. Blatantly bloody obvious is that what they're doing. There's even a video in 1991 where Mary Madison and Sheldon got married, I think it was the day after. They went to solve Snirson, this Messianic lunatic guy, that gave them two, he used to give two dollars out, and I'm sure you know this, in Brooklyn. The first dollar was a piece in this world, like a piece of the pie in this world. The second dollar was a piece in the second world. It was all code. It's quite obvious now, but back then in the early 90s, people didn't really know who these people were. So, you would give them a portion of this world and a portion in the world to come. And they need to end this world to create the world to come. And that's where all this biblical text and nonsense rolls out. So, they know full well. Now, whether they believe it, I think there's a certain level that just knows it's nonsense and just wants to control and carnage. But there are definitely people within those faiths, the extreme ends that believe these things need to happen. And the best way to say is like, okay, I'm going to punch you in the face and you're going to hate me. Oh, the world's going to hate us for being horrible. Oh, and when they hate you for being horrible, you go, see, prophecy. But that's just learning, that's just knowing an outcome of the fact that you've gone and bombed all of these people and you're causing all this havoc around the world. People are going to hate you. If you write it in your little story, in your ideology, in your legend, to say, well, no, the world is going to turn against us. Ameliectinations are going to rise up against us. It's all part of the story. Again, as you just said, you're working backwards. So what are you doing? It's just bloody logic. It's chess game, but it's played backwards.

Speaker 3:
[35:43] Where would you classify Jared Kushner? Is he a true believer or is he somebody that understands that it's all bullshit and is just using this as leverage?

Speaker 5:
[35:52] It's a really good question, isn't it? That's the million dollar question for every single one of them. How do we know really what they are actually thinking? Now, his father was obviously is a absolute crook and a cretin and setting up his own family. The whole family is dysfunctional. He set up his own. For people that don't know, he set up his own brother-in-law with a prostitute and filmed it, as you do. Then they were all doing weird stuff. Obviously, he went to prison. He was pardoned by the Prime Minister at the time. It wasn't Trump that pardoned him, was it? But because it was too early for Trump, wasn't it? We pardoned him. I can't remember now.

Speaker 3:
[36:31] I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[36:32] No, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3:
[36:33] Somebody did, but I remember Jared Kushner's big beef was that it should have been handled by the rabbis. It's like, no, dude, it should have been handled by the court system, because it was a crime.

Speaker 5:
[36:45] Because he means these lot. So he's definitely, he's deep within the Chabad. He's the one who kind of, I mean, drags Trump in there a little bit more with Chabad, and Ivanka is obviously in with Chabad. These are the same guys I was just talking about with Remy and Marian Alderson, same guys that Netanyahu has bent the knee to, and even Putin's got a rabbi. So these guys are deeply involved with this, and the story that they have is this biblical end times narrative playing out, this story, Tikkun Ulam and all of that stuff, and Lurianic Kabbalah. This is Sabatine Frankism. This is basically what it is at its core, which is really at its core, Satanism. So these guys, I think he was brought up around this stuff, and he actually joined a Chabad church when he was at university on campus. And that's kind of when he was involved with bringing other people across to this. Now, I don't think you're looking at ideologies religious. I think you're looking at, not really, if you dig underneath it, I think you're looking at intelligence. You're looking at military government corporations that are using an ideology to bring about their own control of as much of this planet as possible. Who believes it? I think the further you get out from the core, the more believe it. I think at the very core, they know it's bollocks. And I don't think they don't care. They don't care about any of that stuff. I don't believe they do. But Jared, I think he might believe his own place in it. I think he might believe in his own, and he's definitely got on, I would say, a personality disorder. He's definitely a nasty piece of work. He treats his tenants awful. He even went after a tenant that moved out two or three years earlier from a place in one of the places in New York. And she had moved out and she got out of her lease, this woman. She's a mother, single mother of three kids. She got out of her lease with a previous owner and he'd agreed. And they went and then then Kushner came in, Kushner's company came in and bought the property and tried to chase her down for for for for fines. Even though he didn't even own the property at that time. And she'd had a bit paper saying from the landlord that she could move out early because one of the neighbors was erratically behaving. She was worried about her kids. He went after her, took her through the courts. He all of his properties, he doesn't look after the people. It's all fallen apart. He's a nasty piece of work. His dad was a nasty piece of work. So he's definitely psychopathy there, 100%. So whether he believes in his place, he was brought up, he's never really wanted for anything, has he? So he probably does.

Speaker 3:
[39:39] I thought, what if he's Trump's handler?

Speaker 5:
[39:43] I think he probably is, yeah. Or his son-in-law.

Speaker 3:
[39:47] That they've got him in there. I mean, I know that people have this perception that maybe Trump is getting his arm twisted to get into this cult. But exactly how you describe Jared Kushner's real estate company treating their tenants is the same way Trump had treated his tenants back in the 80s, in 90s when they were doing this. They had thousands of lawsuits against him for stuff like this. So the behavior is very similar. I don't know that it's not like you found the good guy, the good real estate developer, the nice guy, the one, the needle in the haystack, and you converted him into this awful guy. It's Donald Trump. He was always an awful guy. He's an awful business guy. This is how he is. So I wonder just how much maybe like, I don't know, in some cases, maybe the handler needs to get these guys into trouble, to get them trapped. I don't know that you need to do that with Trump and if you're Kushner. I mean, I wonder what his role as the handler is to bring him closer to Israel. Obviously, that's what's been happening.

Speaker 5:
[40:57] Yeah, well, it was Kushner that came up with the, well, allegedly, I'm sure there's people behind him, the Abraham Accords, which was basically anyone who's not around, let's all group together and make this messianic nonsense happen. But we had Trump bailed out by a collaboration of the different banks years ago, set up by the Rothschilds. And obviously, the Rothschilds created modern-day Israel. They are Sabatine Frankists, in my view. You've got all the Rothschilds going back to, you know, to Adam Weishaupt and Jacob Frank. So Jacob Frank obviously was the Frankist part of Sabatine Frankists. So it's there. Trump was deeply involved with this stuff from early age. His father was building synagogues in Brooklyn and New York way before Trump. So Trump was involved with this lot, 100%. Now, only he will really know what his mindset is in terms of whether he wants to go along with it or not. But he was deeply involved with these guys. The guy is, they know, they profiled him years ago. He is a grandiose narcissist, quite clearly. And that's obvious. So he wants to be seen as serious, the great bringing back the Jews to the promised land and the Israelites back to the promised land. He loved that. They know what bans to push on him. So he's a pathetic, quite frankly, coward and has been all his life. He's been given everything and he's a terrible businessman. That's why he's in the position he is. But he's grandiose. He wants, he loves all the fame. Whether he actually believes in this stuff, again, is a really interesting thing to understand. I don't know and I don't think anyone's ever going to know what they truly believe is that you can't. It's inside his head. But it doesn't matter. He's toeing the line for them right now. And he always was from day one. He always give Israel and by Israel, I mean the government of Israel, which I mean, by that, I mean the Sabbateans and the Abadlot and the Messianic lot and the Zionists, the Ultra Zionists. So these are all the same. These are the same. It's the same theme all the way through. It's the same mindset. It's the same psychopath. It's the same ism that's going to be put into that technology. So when I talk about making monsters, the real monster that they're making at the end is going to be the technology which is an outreach of the mentality of these gaggle of lunatics who have become monsters. And there's so many. But that's why it's so important to take this psychological point of view, I think, or give it that kind of understanding or that ingredient to conspiracies to bring people who are just go, that's a conspiracy theory. There's a psychological part of this that you really can connect with, that doesn't matter whether it's true or not, it matters what they're doing. So I'm trying to kind of bridge that gap. And I don't know if I'm explaining it very well, but I really want to bring people over to go. You don't have to believe they can do stuff under Zorro Ranch and harvest eggs. But there's good chance they were doing it. And you're just seeing the top level of the criminality. Here's the other weird stuff they're on. And there is a connect here. And we can connect you across the board.

Speaker 3:
[44:26] Yeah. So much of that has just been stuck in this label of crazy. That person's crazy. Well, why do they do all this stuff? Well, they're clearly nuts. Well, maybe, maybe not. But there might be a deeper, you know, Jack the Ripper. Jack the Ripper is just a psychopath out there doing things and cutting up people and anything. Sounds like, sounds like ritual hums. I don't know. I mean, I'd drag the rabbis out, start asking them questions to be honest. It's like, if I were the cops in that era and where you start. So maybe some of this stuff that we have been, like the general public has been easy to dismiss as like, oh, that's just crazy people doing crazy things. You know, Charles Manson, he's a perfect example of a crazy person. If ever they could take somebody and make him the face of crazy, it was Charles Manson. But God forbid you dig into what was really going on in his background. The irony is that you can manufacture crazy. Can you not? Can you, when given enough time and tools and technology, you can turn a person crazy. Seems like easy to me.

Speaker 5:
[45:35] And to them, they're not crazy. They're not, they don't think they're crazy. Of course they don't think they're crazy. They have a logical reason for doing what they do. They have a logical reason for being the way they are. And to them, it makes sense. And they might not think that, you know, they don't, it comes to a point where they're psychopathic and they don't care about the outcome or other people. They're disconnected. But they're still, the logic is still there for them to think that they are doing what is logical to do. And that's the scary thing. That's fascinating. It is fascinating. When you look at Putin, to me, Putin is far more terrifying than any of the others, because he's a lunatic. He's not crazy. He's a lunatic. He's psychopathic, but he's able to control it. The others can't control themselves. He can. And that is what's scary about him, is that he can turn it on and off. Now, that's a different level of crazy. The other people, Trump is like a child. He's like litmus paper. You touch him and he goes all over the place. I had a partner once and she was borderline personality disorder. She was diagnosed with this. Clearly was as well. And she said she felt like she was on, her skin was on fire. She was like, she was burned. If you touch like any sort of ism, any sort of like pushback against her felt like she was being touched on a burn. And that's what Donald Trump's like. He's like this. He's like all over the place. Less so with Netanyahu, but still when he's really pushed, he does come across like a prat. But when you come to Putin and some of the others, he's the most obvious example I can think of. It's like he is stone cold. He's like, do what you want. You do what you want. You've got your own stuff going on. I'm in control here. Now that is the scary one. Yeah. Jared Kushner is not even like that. I can't think of another one who is actually like that. I mean, Hitler wasn't even like that. Hitler was off his face on Coke half the time because he was so neurotic and anxiety ridden. I don't think Putin is anxiety ridden. I don't know if there's anything going on there. And that to me is, you know, why aren't we discussing it at that level? And then is it weird that someone like that could possibly be doing this weird stuff that we talk about in terms of transhumanism? Would they believe that they're going into different portals using CERN to bring stuff through from different energies and different realities? I want to know what they believe. I don't know whether it's true or not if they can do these things, but it doesn't matter at the moment. We're not even at that point yet. We're at the point of, they're going to blow this place up if they're allowed. People who should be sectioned are now being allowed on TV to say the most insane shit in front of the millions and billions of people who are on their knees in front of them like a Trump. Like, it's the most, this is sectionable stuff. Why aren't they sectioned? Why have you not sectioned Donald Trump? Why have you not sectioned Netanyahu? Why are they not going on to psychological evaluation? These people are mad. Tony Blair, so it's an important conversation, I think, to have that's not had very often in the conspiracy world, which I think is something that we should be talking about. They're mad, but they don't think they are. They really don't think they are.

Speaker 3:
[49:19] There's different flavors to their insanity for sure. I bartended all through my 20s, and you get pretty good at recognizing fights, and people who are big talkers, the guys that's yapping, who's, I'm gonna fuck you up, and I'm gonna this and that. Those guys didn't really worry me, but it would be the guy who was standing right behind him, who was quietly taking his watch off and handing it to his girlfriend, and was looking around to figure out where the exit doors were and things like that. That is the guy you need to keep an eye on, not the guy who's yapping about what he's gonna do, the guy who is very calm about the impending fight. And that is... You know, I also kind of put this in some other bartending parlance, because you've got a big drunken lunatic in the bar, you know? And he's been going from table to table threatening everybody and yelling and yelling and yelling. And there's part of you that would like for the next table to stand up, walk over there and punch him out, right? You kind of want that to happen. But you run the risk of the entire night turning, the whole thing turning into just a full blown bar fight, right? And then everything gets shut down and everybody's gotta go home. So how do you navigate this? How do you deal with this? And this was something that I had to deal with in real life. Like, how do you navigate one of these lunatics and get him to make it his idea that the night's over and that he needs to leave, not your idea to tell him that his night's over? They never want to hear that, but you've got to make it their idea. So what's the psychology that we use? I mean, you're good at understanding how we make these monsters and how these people are put together. At some level, we've got to weaponize their own personality traits against them. We've got to get them to think that this is their idea to shut this. You know what would really be the most, the greatest thing you could do would be to double-cross Netanyahu and do something like that.

Speaker 5:
[51:28] That's it. That's a really good point. So exactly what you've said then. I hadn't thought of that, but as you're explaining that, I'm just building the legend and the scenario in my head. So the loud one who's smashing the tables around says Trump, obviously now at the moment, smashing the tables around. Who's the quiet one in the background in his ear whispering, taking his watch off, whispering, saying over there, that person over there staring at you. Well, I would say it's these occultists, these Habad guys.

Speaker 3:
[51:56] I was going to say Habad. I was going to say because when Putin made a comment years ago, when it wasn't too long ago, they asked, can you work with the Trump administration? His response was, I've worked with plenty of US administrations. They all come into office, they have their ideas, and then the men in black suits visit them, and then those ideas go away. And my assumption was that everyone thought that that meant the CIA, but I always thought that meant Habbad. And that if anyone would know, it would be Putin, because he's had that conversation.

Speaker 5:
[52:27] He's had that conversation with Lazar. I 100% and I've said the same thing, the men in black are these Habbad guys. And I'm not saying at the top, I'm not saying at all. I think you've got some black nobility bloodlines and all sorts. And I think it's far more complex than maybe conspiracy theorists can give it credit to being, I think it is far more. We want to try and figure it all out, but I think it's far more complex than even we understand. But they are the ones in the ears at the moment. And that's quite provable, the fact that the way it's playing out matches the ideology that they have and the outcomes they have. So that's as obvious to me. So they're whispering in the ear, these guys, in the ears of Netanyahu, in the ears of Putin, in the ears of, well, some of them want to go across more. And then you have the other side of it. So when it's all kicking off, you have the one that runs in and goes, oh, we will need to calm down, guys. I'm going to make sure everything's all fixed and I'll fix the room for you. That's your Marian Adelson. She'll walk in, she'll go, oh, that's lovely. Now she's in charge. Now she was in the background whispering in the ears, too. Because she's not stupid, she created a chaos. But she's the lovely one. So you're flanked both sides between two people whispering in someone like Trump's ears. He's funded by Adelson, and he's been told what to do by Netanyahu. He's been told what to do by Kishner Abad. What you need to do is go, do you know what? Peel to his ego and go, these people are all going to chuck you under the bus in the end. None of them give a shit about you. You're not going to get that. You're going to end up in prison. You can look at what happened to Hitler. Look at what happened to all of these guys that get used out the front. Yes, Trump is evil. He's a nasty piece of work, and he's probably too far gone. But as in terms of what you're saying, how do we remedy that? Well, you point out the fact that what you think you are getting from these people is the opposite of what you are actually getting. You are being used. You are a puppet for these guys. And back out until it's before it's too late. And what you really want, and I think JFK tried to do this, the only one I couldn't really think off the top of my head, was get to a prominent position and then back out. Pull the rug from under of them. Play along for a little while in certain ways. But then they just shot him in the head. So, you know, but I think he was, because he said that one of the things, I think his wife at this time was saying that he must go chasing the Golden Fleece. The Golden Fleece was one of the highest orders of the Catholic Church. And he was trying to separate church and state. They didn't want that. So no one really talks about that with him. They say, oh, it's the CIA and that. Yes, they're all involved. But actually, when you really look at it, it was the Catholic Church, which I would say the Black nobility Venetian bloodlines that run the Catholic Church through the Jesuits, that saw that he was actually trying to take away power from the cult. And he got himself into a position where chasing the Golden Fleece, which the Golden Fleece is the highest order you can get through the Vatican, meant taking down the cult, taking down the power. And she wrote, Jackie, I think it was Jackie, wrote a poem saying he could find love. He must say he has found love, he could find peace, but he must go chasing the Golden Fleece. Like he's basically going to do him, he can't stop himself from doing this mission, if you understand the context of it. So I think he tried to get himself in there. Yes, he wasn't perfect. None of us are all humans. We all do stupid shit, but compared to what they were doing. I think that a lot of them get in there early days thinking they could make a change, as you say with Putin said, and the men in black come whispering in the ear. The men in black, how bad are just one sect of the men in black? The other men in black would be the Jesuits. You'd have the black nobility, the Venetian bloodlines.

Speaker 3:
[56:20] A line of people out the door waiting to come in and influence you if you were the president of the United States.

Speaker 5:
[56:26] The conspiracy is real, but it starts in the story. It starts with the legend and the mythology and the ideology. In this case, in the last 2000 plus years, it's the biblical text, the end times. There was ones before that that we don't remember. I'm guaranteed there was, but I don't know for sure. But this isn't our first rodeo. It starts with the story, and it ends with the end of the story, but you make it happen. So it starts with the story, and that story enters the mind of the individual, and the individual maps their terrain by their place within that narrative and in that story. They don't realize that it's a story. So when it comes to the Matrix and all the things like that, people will take that literally and say, we're stuck in the Matrix, and we're not saying that ain't happening. I don't know, can't tell you that. I have no idea. But what I can say is the Matrix is also to me, sorry, an analogy for the story, the construction. And when you look at the land of Nod where they banished Cain in the story again, the reason why it was hell is because he had no fixed star. There was no fixed sun. He didn't know north, west, east and south. He couldn't navigate his way around that world. So the only way you can navigate the way around your world or my world is through a story and the character you play within that story. Without those two things, you're just an experiencing. And you don't know where you and the story end. So people have forgot you're the character in the story, and the story has been given to you. And you don't have to play that character. Now these lunatics have bought into their character profile, the character they've been given. Hook, line and sinker. Down to the fact that Elon Musk is called Elon after the guy from Von Braun's book who took Project Mars or Mars Project, who took humanity to Mars, and his name is Elon. He's literally named after the guy, because that's just an over example of putting that narrative in his head and being that he's got aspergers. He's not going to know when he's being manipulated, especially by his mum and dad who were awful on polar opposites. So this is why it's so important to understand these people. Because how did we make these monsters? How do these monsters are made? Not we. How are these monsters made? How do we become monsters? You know what, when we're doing this stuff, sorry, my freight's going, it's very easy to become disenchanted with the world. The world's shit. This place is a nightmare. It's a hell to be in. Everyone's out to murder everybody. There's a real sad case of people that do this work, Charlie, and I know you know, that become mentally drained, empty, and angry. And I don't want to ever become like that. I think it's quite funny. Humor helps. But you can see it actually, you start to play the conspiracy outside vigilante character in that. You go, how did I get here? How did I get here? Because you start to play that role. So I just think it's so fascinating that conspiracies aren't that different. It's true crime and conspiracies are the same bloody thing. They've just been separated.

Speaker 3:
[60:10] Totally. It's just like what their bosses aren't allowing them to cover. Because if you wanted to do all the true crime murders, kidnappings, rapes, stories, all that stuff, what, you haven't done Jimmy Savile? You could do a 10 part documentary series on the Jimmy Savile components, right? But some people won't do it. I think we've got a different batch of conspiracies, a different batch of monsters that we could pull from. They have the traditional normie monsters here. It's like, I don't know, the Night Stalker, John Wayne Gacy, these legendary serial killers, Ted Bundy, who everybody sort of knows like, oh, this is the face of evil. And it's like, we in the conspiracy world, we've got a bunch of evil guys too, but they don't have swastikas carved on their foreheads. They actually are wearing three piece suits and you recognize them because they've been in your life on your television for 50 years. And that guy's the prime minister. And it's like, oh, you think Charles Manson's bad? Wait till you hear about Ted Heath.

Speaker 5:
[61:27] This is the Putin thing I explained earlier. They're not overly obvious. I mean, some of them are, but they're not overly obvious. They want you to look at the Charles Mansons and even what you said there in terms of the Charles Manson thing and the Jimmy Savile thing. There is an element of... There's a mainstream story of what they'll cover with Manson, as I explained earlier, and they'll only go so far. And the same with Savile. The mainstream story, he was a necrophiliac and he was all this, but they won't go any further than into the real dark stuff of why he acted, who he was acting for, who was procuring children for, what was the real... That's where the conspiracy world is an asset to the true crime world. They should go hand in hand. They don't want that. They do not want the conspiracy world and true crime podcasters and true crime writers and journalists to go together. So what happens is the true crime guys are legitimate journalists. They're journalists and we're doing this. We only go so far. I'm not going to talk about all the weird out there stuff. He just did 16 murders and I'll tell you exactly how they dissected the body and put it in a bin and put acid on it. I can tell you all of that stuff, but then you go, well, why would he do that? Why would he believe? What do you mean? Well, where did the story in his mind come from? What did his mom and dad teach him? What did he see the world as? There's the conspiracy part. He probably was into some weird occult shit that you won't touch. If you really want to solve these crimes, you need to have this bit as well. You need to delve into the real weird stuff that Jeffrey Epstein was doing, because he wasn't just doing it for shits and giggles. He was doing it because he believed that he was making the world a better place in terms of the transhumanist agenda, harvesting eggs, was working with all of these scientists. This is the real stuff. You can't... Both of those sides of the kinder egg need to be put back together. And my job from now on, what I want to do is just bridge that gap and go, this stuff is real. This stuff is real. This stuff and this stuff, they go together a lot of the time, not all the time, obviously not all the time. But for someone to be a serial killer, they must have a view of the world. Something must have happened to them. Their parents must have had a view of the world that made them, that had the effect on the child. Usually it's religious, usually it's ideological. Usually it's a cult aspect to it. But the true crime guys, they're looking to cult, but they won't go into the real weird stuff of where that cult come from. Where does that belief come from? What does their book really mean, what they were looking into? Most of it comes back from the bloody Kabbalah and all of these esoteric teachings. They won't go that far. So Charles Manson was a, well, he weren't even a serial killer because he never killed anyone for as far as we know. He was a cult leader, but the cult was, all right, they just went up, they went mental and they killed Sharon Tate. Why did they kill an eight month, a woman who was eight months pregnant? Oh, it was a robbery gone wrong. Don't talk shit. Don't talk shit, because it was a robbery gone wrong. It was planned. Why did they write pig on the wall? Why did they have, like, was it the swastika on their head? I can't remember what they actually carved in their head. What did Manson actually believe? And when you look into How I Scale Her and you actually look into the White Album and you realize that actually that White Album, a lot of that was recorded with someone who knew Sharon Tate really well. She was there at the recording of some of the Beatles stuff and you realize that Manson was connected in with a group, a semi-Masonic group that was, I think it's, I forget what the top made, it's something star, that was connected to the OTO, which obviously is Crowley. And then you look at what's happening with, so there is a Crowley-esque understanding of The Moon Child there, which was a Crowley book that wrote about basically is Rosemary's Baby. It's an earlier version of Rosemary's Baby. So there's this, so did they think that Sharon Tate was carrying the Devil's Child? Well, let's explore that. Not just chuck it out, go, why do these weird things happen? But they don't, they just separate and chuck them out. The same with Elrond Hubbard and Jack Parsons doing the Babylon working ritual, which was to create the Moon Child of Crowley. Well, we'll talk about Scientology, and we'll talk about Jack Parsons doing his rocket stuff and the Trinity site. We won't talk about the fact that they were actually doing the Babylon working ritual to bring about a baby to put inside a homunculus. In New Mexico, they were doing this stuff not that far from where Epstein's Zorro ranch is. So my point is that, yes, these people are doing some really weird stuff on the surface, horrible stuff, crime, criminal, enterprise. What do they believe? And it frustrates me because they separate the two on purpose. And my role is to bring the two back together. These true crimes often happen with a satanic globalist ideology behind them. And you're seeing the surface level of something that's far, far bigger. And if you really want to stop them blowing the world up from the Middle East over a bloody temple, you better start asking deeper questions and not being afraid to be called a conspiracy theorist instead of a journalist, because it's the same bloody thing. It doesn't matter. It's just that the conspiracy theorists are on one side and the journalists who are looking to true crime are on the other. And I've had people that won't come on my shows because it's conspiracy theory who are journalists and I'm like, but it's the same bloody thing. You just won't go further. And also with the conspiracy theorists, they won't go into that world either. So I just think that there is a disconnect that I really want to fix because it's important that we understand that these people, although they're demonic and they're psychopathic, and they're doing some really horrible things, to them, they have very human reasons for doing so.

Speaker 3:
[67:44] Maybe at some point, we'll get to a place where, when groups of detectives are getting together, trying to solve a crime, and they make the decision to bring in the psychic, right? Because they've explored all of their options. You know, maybe they ought to keep a conspiracy theorist's phone number on standby as well. Bring someone in who comes at this and has a different set of eyes that sees things that you don't see, that's looking at the books that the suspect was reading as opposed to something else, and understands what that book may mean. We're just working off of different source information. And I would never presume to be a detective. They're going to see things that I wouldn't see on a crime scene. But if you had something like this that involved the deep state, you would want somebody that was fluent in deep state symbology. You would want somebody that understood that source material better. And so, it might be that if we're going to be taken, if they want to solve these future crimes, to really understand the depths of where we're coming from, you need to know, you need to understand that material a little bit better. Nobody understands it better than you. Rich Willett, tell everybody where they can find you.

Speaker 5:
[69:02] They can find me at iconic.com. They can find me for most of my video work. And on YouTube, just put Richard Willett in or Macroaggressions. You'll find me on there. And Substack, some may conspire. And you can find me on there. Just follow my work there. But yeah, thank you for having me on and let me rant about this. But I think it's a really important topic. And I think it will benefit everyone across the board if we just put that divide down and said, look, this, you're right. The criminal end up, their problem is that most of them are masons. So they won't want that. And they all want the temple built, those masons. But the true crime world needs the conspiracy world and vice versa. They really do.

Speaker 3:
[69:43] Yeah. Well, let's not give these masons any make work projects, building temples third or otherwise. That's Richard Willett. Everybody go follow his outstanding work over at Iconic. If you want to connect with me, macroaggressions.io is the website for that. You can take five seconds right now and rate the show. Give us five stars if you think we've earned it. Thanks everybody. Talk to you again soon.