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Speaker 5:
[01:00] Hello, and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host for today, Garnt. Joining me once again are the boys. And today we are going to be asking which decade is superior? Why, why do you sound like, I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[01:20] You sound like, you sound like me when I'm patting out my word cap. What is this?

Speaker 5:
[01:25] I just, I'm trying to bring the energy in. I'm trying to bring the energy in. We got a two hour podcast to go through. Like every week, baby. Why, you don't excited?

Speaker 6:
[01:37] I'm pumped. I'm excited to just tell you about what I like.

Speaker 5:
[01:40] Yeah, yeah. I mean, we get to talk about what we like. So we had an episode, I think, I can't remember when it aired. It was last year. It definitely was last year.

Speaker 7:
[01:49] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[01:49] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[01:50] Yeah. Where we basically compared old versus new. And I don't think we able to do it as much justice as we wanted to.

Speaker 7:
[01:58] I think it was 2005 versus 2025, right?

Speaker 8:
[02:01] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[02:01] Something like that. And I wanted to actually, you know, have some kind of like an actual definitive list of what are the actual most popular, maybe most top rated stuff of each decade. Because I think a popular conversation is, you know, which decade is the best for X thing or X media.

Speaker 7:
[02:23] A retrospective comparison, if you will.

Speaker 5:
[02:26] Yes. Yes. Have you seen that recent meme where it's like, you know, it's everyone reminiscing over 2016?

Speaker 7:
[02:31] Yeah. I did a post about it.

Speaker 3:
[02:33] You did a post about it?

Speaker 7:
[02:34] I did a post about it on my Instagram.

Speaker 6:
[02:36] Oh, where you post a picture of yourself 2016.

Speaker 3:
[02:38] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[02:39] Or just post pictures of what you were doing in 2016. I knew it was a long time ago, because the first picture I saw was of me at the top of Shibuya sky dabbing.

Speaker 5:
[02:48] Well, it's because the meme in 2016 was that this was like the worst year of all time. And so people were looking back.

Speaker 3:
[02:54] We said that back then?

Speaker 7:
[02:55] We said that back then.

Speaker 5:
[02:56] Yeah, we said that back then.

Speaker 6:
[02:57] Man, we are so dumb.

Speaker 5:
[03:01] That is the exact point of the meme where it's just like-

Speaker 6:
[03:03] We really thought it couldn't get worse than dabbing.

Speaker 3:
[03:06] We thought dabbing was like the worst.

Speaker 5:
[03:09] We dabbed then Harambe died that year.

Speaker 6:
[03:11] That was pretty bad.

Speaker 5:
[03:12] That was pretty bad.

Speaker 6:
[03:13] To be fair, that was the year when everything started to change.

Speaker 5:
[03:16] Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6:
[03:17] Harambe's death was a turning point in global events.

Speaker 5:
[03:22] That was a canon event right there. My God.

Speaker 3:
[03:24] That was archaic.

Speaker 6:
[03:25] That would be like the third Spider-Verse movie.

Speaker 3:
[03:27] It's like, dude, don't save Harambe's right of it.

Speaker 6:
[03:30] It's a canon event.

Speaker 7:
[03:31] Can't believe it's already been 10 years since he's gone.

Speaker 6:
[03:33] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[03:34] But yeah. So what we have is we have a bunch of top 10 lists from different pieces of media, anime, gaming, movies, whatever, and we are going to compare, you know, not just a random assortment, but the heavyweights of each and every decade to see which decade is actually superior.

Speaker 7:
[03:56] The decade-defying works.

Speaker 5:
[03:58] Yeah, the decade-defying works.

Speaker 6:
[03:59] We're always in movies, games, but we'll start with anime.

Speaker 5:
[04:02] Yeah, of course, because we're an anime podcast. Are we? Yes, that's what the marketing says, you know.

Speaker 7:
[04:08] That's all we tell our sponsors.

Speaker 5:
[04:10] That's what Spotify thinks. So that's what's important for us.

Speaker 6:
[04:15] So for the people who are wondering, you know, because a lot of the times when you get these lists, where have they come from?

Speaker 7:
[04:20] Yes.

Speaker 6:
[04:21] Specifically with the anime one, we decided to go with the r slash anime.

Speaker 7:
[04:25] Oh yeah, it's the most trusted source on the internet. R slash anime.

Speaker 6:
[04:28] Reddit users' favorite anime. I mean, they have the highest, the highest and most finest taste in media. Because they are the most, you know, eloquent.

Speaker 7:
[04:35] Sure.

Speaker 6:
[04:36] So I think it's, actually, I do think it's a good, a much more helpful list than a person like an IGN list, which is like one guy who had to submit an article to meet his criteria.

Speaker 3:
[04:47] So I think it's actually a solid pool to pick from.

Speaker 5:
[04:49] Yes. So these are the most voted and the top rated shows of the 1990s and movies. And in the 90s, 90s kids, we have, at number one, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Cowboy Bebop, Princess Mononoke, Perfect Blue, Ghost in the Shell, Serial Experiments Lane, Yu Yu Hakusho, Revolutionary Girl Utena, Trigun and Berserk.

Speaker 7:
[05:15] I mean, nothing but bangers. Can I just say that?

Speaker 6:
[05:17] This is unfair. He's biased.

Speaker 7:
[05:19] What do you mean?

Speaker 6:
[05:19] Look at your fucking shirt.

Speaker 3:
[05:21] I'm wearing a Ghost in the Shell shirt.

Speaker 6:
[05:23] Joey is wearing a Ghost in the Shell shirt right now.

Speaker 5:
[05:25] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[05:26] I knew I had to pull up and represent.

Speaker 5:
[05:29] Yeah. I mean, pretty strong list. I will say that it is a lot of sci-fi. I forgot how much sci-fi represented in the nineties.

Speaker 6:
[05:41] I mean, it was such a good time for sci-fi in general, in all media, because technology was changing so fast. Internet was just kind of opening our world.

Speaker 5:
[05:49] I would argue technology is still changing pretty fast.

Speaker 6:
[05:52] No, I don't think so.

Speaker 7:
[05:53] No, but it was exciting for a lot of people because it was like the first step towards like, oh, things are going to be digital now. We won't be able to tell the difference between the digital and the real.

Speaker 6:
[06:03] I also feel like the leaps we're making nowadays are way less, am I crazy? I don't think AI has changed my life more than the swap from a Game Boy to Nintendo DS is. That was way more impactful on my life.

Speaker 1:
[06:16] It's like two screens.

Speaker 5:
[06:17] No, no, I think the big difference is that before technology, changing technology felt like it was a change that would make the quality of life better. And now it seems like from like, it just, it has just felt like from 2020 onwards, obviously AI is the big boom right now, but it's like every year there is something that is going to revolutionize everything and it lasts for a year. First it was like crypto and then it was like NFT and now it's AI. And then to be fair, I do think AI has the potential to enact some of the biggest change in life, whether that be positive or negative.

Speaker 6:
[06:52] Or my electricity bill, fuck me.

Speaker 5:
[06:55] But it does seem like every year, you know, everyone is trying to jump on the new hot shiny thing in some kind of technology.

Speaker 6:
[07:03] But that's why I think like, you have to imagine 1990s, like this is just when the internet's kind of getting into full speed.

Speaker 5:
[07:08] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[07:08] You know, instant instant messages are becoming popular. I think around this time, you know, Google isn't out yet. It's coming soon though. They don't know it yet. This kind of stuff's around.

Speaker 5:
[07:19] Is Google not out yet?

Speaker 6:
[07:20] 1996, I think.

Speaker 7:
[07:22] Mm, 97, right?

Speaker 6:
[07:24] I think maybe it was like, VEDA?

Speaker 7:
[07:26] 98.

Speaker 6:
[07:27] 98, okay.

Speaker 5:
[07:28] Yeah, it is out, I guess.

Speaker 6:
[07:30] Well, I mean, at the end.

Speaker 5:
[07:31] At the end of, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[07:32] And I imagine like the internet as a change was probably the most drastic change. Not immediately, obviously, but that decade spanning over it became a much more prevalent thing in everyone's lives. So I imagine there was a lot more, okay, like sci-fi influence, inspiration, because we're all starting to use these gears and everything. This is back, and I love this, we have lost this art. You remember when every computer had to be green, like green text on the screen?

Speaker 7:
[07:58] The matrix text?

Speaker 6:
[07:59] Yeah, and it's just such a cool vibe.

Speaker 3:
[08:01] And now we don't do that. Computers just look so fucking sick.

Speaker 6:
[08:06] Ghosts in the Shell, every computer looks fucking sick. It's all fucking green text, it's like, like the matrix kind of typography kind of thing. That kind of vibe is so good. And now it's, now it's just.

Speaker 7:
[08:19] I will say right off the bat, looking at this list, is there any that you don't agree should be in the top 10? Regardless of where they are placed, like is there one where you look at and you're like, I wouldn't put this in my top 10?

Speaker 6:
[08:32] Berserk feels kind of out of place.

Speaker 7:
[08:33] I was gonna say that.

Speaker 6:
[08:34] Berserk feels out of place.

Speaker 7:
[08:35] I'm shocked that Dragon Ball is not up here.

Speaker 5:
[08:39] Isn't Dragon Ball's nine eighties?

Speaker 6:
[08:43] Dragon Ball Z was the nine eighties. Okay, so the rest of the list outside of the top 10, so we can see what could have made it. Sailor Moon, Caught Up Satchara, Great Teacher, Onizuka, One Piece, Pokemon, Initial D, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Hunter Hunter, I mean, Pokerosa, Digimon. Yeah, I mean, like, I feel like a lot of these are a bit more deserving than Berserk. Like Berserk is obviously one of the greatest manga of all time.

Speaker 7:
[09:07] Yes.

Speaker 6:
[09:08] Famously, the adaptations never really kind of reached the heights.

Speaker 7:
[09:11] Yeah, that's what I was saying.

Speaker 6:
[09:12] It's a great adaptation, though. I do like it a lot.

Speaker 5:
[09:14] Yeah, I would say this is probably the closest thing to a good adaptation that Berserk has gotten. I mean, there's some, it adapts some fantastic moments. The soundtrack is goddamn orgasmic.

Speaker 7:
[09:28] Yeah, but that's the thing. I don't know if Berserk being number 10 on this list.

Speaker 5:
[09:31] Greatest anime OP of all time as well.

Speaker 7:
[09:32] Yes, that is true. That is true. So put your grasses on, nothing will be wrong, obviously. But that's what I'm saying. Like I have a feeling there might be a slight bias towards Berserk being number 10 on this list. Maybe either because the manga is so goaded. As a story, yes, definitely should be in the top 10, maybe even in the top five. Or maybe it's also anime fans looking at this retrospectively when compared to say like the 2016, 2017 adaptation and being like, oh, we never knew how good we had it back in the 90s, for example.

Speaker 6:
[10:05] You know, and I know it feels so lame, but I mean, Pokemon just does deserve a spot.

Speaker 7:
[10:11] I agree.

Speaker 6:
[10:12] Or like even Sailor Moon, I feel like over Berserk, which I feel like those, I think just the cultural impact of those two shows. Cogup Sacra even as well, you know, such massive heavyweight shows that have gone on to have such massive legacies.

Speaker 5:
[10:25] Yeah, I'd say the only kind of thing that is missing from this list right now that I do think defines a lot of 90s anime is actually fantasy anime. You know, like, I mean, Slayers is number 24. And I was thinking about stuff like Slayers, Escaflowne, you know, there's a lot of like, obviously like Isekai has become a meme, but there was a lot of like 90s Isekai before Isekai was kind of like, kind of like a narrow kind of like trend, where it was just, you know, your classic 90s fantasy anime where people would get transported to another world. And it felt more like Narnia than it did the modern iteration of what Isekai has like turned into, you know, Inuyasha as well was had this kind of like element of that as well. Was that 2000s though? That might've been 2000s. I don't know.

Speaker 7:
[11:13] I think, yeah. The manga started in the 90s, I believe.

Speaker 5:
[11:16] Right, right. Okay.

Speaker 6:
[11:18] The new stuff has definitely got a bit of a different flavor to it than traditional.

Speaker 7:
[11:23] Oh, 2000 on the dot.

Speaker 5:
[11:24] Just 2000 on the dot, yeah. So just off there. But yeah, the new stuff, it's almost like, I feel like there was a lot of new stuff that is going back to this kind of old school fantasy anime feel. Last year, I really, really enjoyed Clevatus, which was like a really, really cool dark fantasy. And this season, we have Sentence To Be Hero, which is just like a by the books, old school classic dark fantasy.

Speaker 8:
[11:53] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[11:53] And dark fantasy is coming back, man.

Speaker 8:
[11:56] Thank God. Thank God.

Speaker 6:
[11:59] One, can we talk about Initial D? Why does it have so much aura? The show hasn't even done, like to my knowledge, there's not much Initial D stuff out there.

Speaker 7:
[12:10] What do you mean?

Speaker 6:
[12:10] Like anime, like there's-

Speaker 7:
[12:12] Oh, you mean in terms of like source material?

Speaker 6:
[12:14] Right. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[12:15] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[12:16] But my God, this show is just stuck around.

Speaker 5:
[12:17] What do you mean there's not much source material out there?

Speaker 6:
[12:20] I mean, there has to one show, right?

Speaker 5:
[12:22] I mean, the one show has like three, four seasons.

Speaker 6:
[12:26] Right.

Speaker 5:
[12:26] And there is a new like remake of it come out like right now.

Speaker 6:
[12:30] But like this show in pop culture, especially in Japan, is like a permanent mainstay from like four seasons of a driving show, Drifting.

Speaker 7:
[12:40] Yeah. Because I think it's because regardless of if you're Japanese or Western, everyone can agree that drifting is just cool. It's the coolest shit.

Speaker 6:
[12:49] It's just sick that it's had such a massive like legacy. Or if you will. I was like, what?

Speaker 5:
[12:57] You're just using the word aura now. It doesn't even make sense in this.

Speaker 3:
[13:01] Initial D has aura.

Speaker 7:
[13:02] Initial D, the original aura farming anime.

Speaker 6:
[13:04] When you go to the arcade, there's like 15 Initial D machines. You're like, that's aura. That's aura right there.

Speaker 5:
[13:09] You're just using the word. You don't even know what it means. You're just saying aura.

Speaker 6:
[13:14] It has aura.

Speaker 5:
[13:15] It doesn't have-

Speaker 3:
[13:16] It has aura and I won't be told otherwise.

Speaker 7:
[13:18] It's just a placeholder word.

Speaker 5:
[13:20] You can't just say everything has aura.

Speaker 6:
[13:22] Initial D has aura.

Speaker 5:
[13:23] Color Capture Sakura has aura. Sailor Moon has aura.

Speaker 6:
[13:27] I'd say Sailor Moon has aura.

Speaker 5:
[13:32] Wasn't Onizuka 2000s? Am I crazy? It's so weird that Onizuka is in 14th.

Speaker 7:
[13:38] I think it's 99.

Speaker 5:
[13:40] Did it start at 99?

Speaker 7:
[13:41] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[13:42] Damn.

Speaker 5:
[13:43] Okay.

Speaker 6:
[13:43] Okay. Wait. So let's go back to the top 10. We've been talking about everything that isn't in the top 10. Evangelion, sure.

Speaker 3:
[13:56] You have to watch it.

Speaker 6:
[13:57] Just look, you might not think it's the greatest thing ever, but just appreciate it.

Speaker 5:
[14:01] Forever.

Speaker 6:
[14:01] I think it's done. But it's one of the okay. I've never watched it in some of them.

Speaker 5:
[14:04] Okay. I know you know what this list is. You know what this list is. No, no, no. This is what we call a onkslop nowadays, right? Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[14:13] This is onkslop.

Speaker 5:
[14:14] What is onkslop? Have you seen the mute?

Speaker 7:
[14:19] Onkslop. Onkslop. It's like that meme of like when you turn 34 and you can't stop talking about Onkslop. No, the second one, the second one.

Speaker 3:
[14:29] Okay, let's have a look. Evangelion, Diablo 2, Tony Hawk, President Evil 4, Final Fantasy 7, Kingdom Hearts.

Speaker 6:
[14:38] That's so fucking funny.

Speaker 5:
[14:40] And it's just like, oh yeah, we're just putting the word slop on anything now. You're literally just-

Speaker 7:
[14:47] I'm like, literally none of this is slop. It's like nothing but jam.

Speaker 6:
[14:52] What is Nefslop? Like nephew slop?

Speaker 7:
[14:54] Yeah, nephew, I think.

Speaker 6:
[14:55] What the fuck?

Speaker 5:
[14:56] Let's see Nefslop. I'm curious.

Speaker 7:
[14:57] Yeah, well, let's see the Nefslop. Don De Don, Riren, Ghost in Tsushima, JJK, Attack on Titan, Elden Ring, R-Craners, Edge Runners.

Speaker 6:
[15:09] Elden Ring is nephew slop. Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 8:
[15:12] I've never heard of Nefslop. That's awesome.

Speaker 6:
[15:14] Oh my God.

Speaker 3:
[15:15] Okay, this is Nefslop, sure.

Speaker 6:
[15:17] All right, let's go back.

Speaker 5:
[15:17] Yeah, let's go back.

Speaker 6:
[15:19] I mean, Prince of Mononoke, it's always a show of one that I've actually watched there.

Speaker 7:
[15:23] Oh, it is easily the best Ghibli film ever made. Like, no question. I will, I mean, Reddit agrees with me. Well, what do you think, when it comes to Ghibli, what do you think is better than Prince of Mononoke?

Speaker 6:
[15:35] I really liked Howls. Howls is one of my favorites. Nazca?

Speaker 7:
[15:38] Technically not Ghibli.

Speaker 5:
[15:40] Oh, okay. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[15:41] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[15:43] Actually, it's just Miyazaki.

Speaker 5:
[15:47] Okay. Okay. But it was kind of like the founding of Ghibli.

Speaker 7:
[15:52] Nazca is amazing. I agree. Castle in the Sky also amazing. Howls Moving Castle also amazing.

Speaker 6:
[15:58] I bought the Joe Hisashi vinyl, the yellow one. And that single-handedly is like, kind of convinced me.

Speaker 7:
[16:04] Oh dude, the Princess Mononoke soundtrack, bro.

Speaker 6:
[16:07] This vinyl is so good. It just plays bangers from these movies.

Speaker 7:
[16:11] The Princess Mononoke soundtrack is orgasmic. It is some of Joe Hisashi's best works. And I feel like, again, I appreciate Princess Mononoke above a lot of the other aforementioned Ghibli films, because I feel like Princess Mononoke is probably handles its subject matter in the most mature way. Like, yeah, you know, Nazca and Castle in the Sky, and like even how, like, you know, they do present their themes in very mature ways where like even adults can enjoy it, even though, you know, for the most part, a lot of Ghibli is catered more towards, I guess, a younger audience, especially as of recently. But I think Princess Mononoke is one of the few Ghibli films where I think I liked it more watching it as an adult than I did as a kid. Which I can't really say the same with a lot of other Ghibli films, maybe other than like Nausicaa. Yeah, Princess Mononoke, like the older you get, I feel the more you appreciate how fucking good, the like just the execution of its themes are. Because like, you know, you also have to understand like, when I watched this as a kid, because they're speaking in like 12th century Japanese, a lot of the time, half the time I'm like, I don't know what the fuck they're talking about. I don't know this whole thing of like, you know, oh yeah, you have to save yourself in order to save others. Like I'm like, bro, I'm six. I'm just trying to watch some anime. Yeah, and I don't fully appreciate, I could still appreciate, you know, the amazing animation, like music and everything back when I was a kid. But as an adult now, now that I know the, I guess the intricacies of how it presented itself in a more mature sense. Yeah, I think Prince Mononoke is like one of the goats.

Speaker 6:
[17:45] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[17:46] Would I put it above Perfect Blue though?

Speaker 6:
[17:48] I don't think I would.

Speaker 5:
[17:49] I mean, as-

Speaker 6:
[17:51] As long as he hasn't seen the other one. No, I like Perfect Blue a lot.

Speaker 5:
[17:54] I mean, I feel like both are masterpieces in films for their own, like my personal preference goes more towards Perfect Blue. But I'm not going to like, I think Prince Mononoke is probably the more widely appreciated and both are fucking great.

Speaker 7:
[18:09] It's easier to digest, I feel, compared to Perfect Blue.

Speaker 6:
[18:12] I think it's because Perfect Blue is uncomfortable. I know Prince Mononoke is a lot of gore and violence, but Perfect Blue is a weird watch as well.

Speaker 5:
[18:21] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[18:21] Yeah.

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Speaker 6:
[18:53] And it's definitely one of those movies you have to go into it really wanting to have to, you know, feel and get your mind.

Speaker 8:
[19:00] Yeah, totally. Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6:
[19:02] That's also really fun though. Ghost in the Shell. It feels like a lazy pick. I rewatched it recently actually. And it is a fucking phenomenal movie, but it's also kind of a confusing movie as well. But it's very good. And the aesthetics are like second to none.

Speaker 5:
[19:20] I was, I'm glad you mentioned it. Cause I was like, Ghost in the Shell is, you know, hugely influential for its time. Has it aged as well as some of the other picks? I'm not sure because I mean, there are some like Ghost in the Shell franchises that I really, really love. Like Ghost in the Shell standalone complex.

Speaker 7:
[19:41] Yeah. I was about to say, I would rank standalone complex at this spot.

Speaker 6:
[19:43] I love standalone complex.

Speaker 5:
[19:45] Yeah. And that's, you know, Ghost in the Shell, the original movie, as much as like influential as it was, I feel like it doesn't, you know, I wouldn't go back to rewatch it as much as some of these other films or some of these other picks from this era, just because there is a lot of other stories that I feel does explore the same like feeling and vibe of Ghost in the Shell that may be built on the foundation that it laid down when it came out.

Speaker 6:
[20:19] It has a rather, I'm not anti-climactic. I mean, the ending is kind of like, oh, okay. One is one of those.

Speaker 7:
[20:28] The movie, right?

Speaker 6:
[20:28] Yeah, the movie.

Speaker 5:
[20:29] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[20:30] But the, you know, it's kind of like everything that is the nineties, which is like, it's sexy and it fucking ends weird, which to me is like the embodiment of like 90s movies. It's like it's horny and I don't know what the fuck I just watched. At least the first time I watched Ghost in the Shell, I was very confused. And the second time still confused, but a little bit more like, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[20:54] But you know what? I think back and you're like, damn, I don't know why. This movie, it's just the aesthetic. It's the vibe of it. It's the vibe now.

Speaker 6:
[21:00] It's like, I think a lot about the scene where Major is trying to, in the final scene, she's trying to rip off the tank.

Speaker 5:
[21:08] Oh, and she rips off her own arms?

Speaker 6:
[21:10] Rips off her arms.

Speaker 5:
[21:11] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[21:11] And I can see like that one scene alone always gets me so fucking pumped. I don't know why. It's so cool. It's so visually visceral to see the Major's arms and the pipes and the wires rip apart.

Speaker 7:
[21:24] The animation of it just crumbling.

Speaker 6:
[21:26] It's so cool. I don't know.

Speaker 7:
[21:28] It's so cool. The other scene I always think of when I think of the Ghost in the Shell movie is the scene where Major is fighting the invisible guy.

Speaker 6:
[21:34] In the water? Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[21:35] It's one of the coolest life scenes in 90s anime.

Speaker 6:
[21:38] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[21:39] Just so many iconic moments. But yeah, no, I do agree. It's not exactly a movie I would necessarily want to go back to compared to, say, Princess Mortimer or Perfect Blue. But definitely a decade defying show when it comes to aesthetically speaking. Because I do feel that in the case with a lot of the themes of Ghost in the Shell about digital or synthetic natures and stuff like that and how that is related to one's identity. I think Serial Experiments Lane does it a little bit more in an interesting way. But I do also understand that comparing Princess Mortimer to Perfect Blue, it is harder to get the average anime fan to get into SCL compared to Ghost in the Shell. Ghost in the Shell is just more, I feel, appealing on a surface level than SCL is.

Speaker 6:
[22:25] Sometimes as well, the aesthetics alone can carry something.

Speaker 7:
[22:30] Totally.

Speaker 6:
[22:31] And be a genre-defining aesthetic. Yeah, I think a similar kind of vibe is Alien with its like bio-machinery vibe, like from the Geiger art where like every, like all the spaceships are like blood and veins and they're like, it's kind of a machine.

Speaker 7:
[22:48] The cosmic horror element.

Speaker 6:
[22:50] Yeah, and I think like it's the kind of, it reminds me of the similar thing, but more on the cyber side of like, the like really retro 90 style computers that obviously we did so fast. But at the time, I'm sure that's what they're like, every computer is gonna be like this. So the whole world is kind of this really cool 90s. And I think it was, at least in anime, it was like a really cool.

Speaker 7:
[23:08] It's the whole like exposed wires and pipes.

Speaker 6:
[23:10] Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 7:
[23:11] Right, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[23:12] Yeah, well, that's why it's so interesting that like you see a lot of cyberpunk kind of like aesthetic, you know, and it's so tied to just the Japanese aesthetic, you know, because, you know, this like, this kind of like got popular when Japan was like the center of like the future and technology, like peak into like the economic boom. And so it's just an aesthetic that has stayed to this day. You know, even if Japan isn't as far in the future as it was back in the 80s and 90s, you know, the kind of aesthetic is still stayed.

Speaker 7:
[23:46] It's the unk that lives off his past glory.

Speaker 3:
[23:48] Yeah, right?

Speaker 7:
[23:49] It's like back in my day, I did this shit. It's my whole personality now. I'm happy to see Yu Yu Hakusho number seven.

Speaker 5:
[23:55] I will say, yeah. I feel like Yu Yu Hakusho, I don't know, it's an old like 90s shounen, but I feel like Yu Yu Hakusho is more in common with modern shounens than a lot of the shounens in between the 90s and like from the 90s to the 2000s and 2010s because it's a little edgier, it's a little darker, I would say. Yusuke as a protagonist was, you know, a little, little ruder, a little more out there than your, you know, goody two shoe kind of like shounen protagonist. And I feel like it has aged really, really well. And I feel like people could appreciate it more now even, because I feel like with like the Dandodans and the Chainsaw Man and the JJKs, it has more in common with them than some of-

Speaker 7:
[24:41] Also one of the best tournament arcs in anime as well, 100%.

Speaker 6:
[24:44] I think it deserves a spot just because every single time I go out drinking, this has to be the most, normally like every salary man I talk to, they'll always mention the Yuhaku Show. It seems to be the one anime that 50 year old man in Japan loved. Every single time. It's like, I'm like, I like JoJo and they're like, mid, mid-thes, Yuhaku Show?

Speaker 7:
[25:06] I mean, dude, it's probably, I would say Yuhaku Show is probably one of my favorite shounens. Just in terms of just like, yeah, again, like the fact that it kind of starts off very much like more rooted in, I guess the real world of, you know, just Yusuke as a ghost dealing and helping with, you know, the everyday people's like struggles and lives. Like that's how the first couple of volumes starts. And then Togashi is finally like, let's actually put a story into this and turns it into this most fucking cool aesthetically and just vibe wise, sci-fi, supernatural.

Speaker 5:
[25:37] I watch it.

Speaker 7:
[25:38] Yeah, I do. It's so good.

Speaker 6:
[25:39] I only watched the first like five episodes.

Speaker 5:
[25:41] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[25:41] Oh, it's so good. It's so fucking good.

Speaker 5:
[25:43] And I guess we wouldn't spend too much like more time on this, but I do want to mention like Trigun and Cowboy Bebop specifically. It's like, damn, what happened to like the spaghetti space westerns? You know, why did anime go through like this brief phase of just like, all right, we're going to make a spaghetti western, but we're going to set it in space.

Speaker 7:
[26:05] And I mean, fuck, they nailed it.

Speaker 5:
[26:07] Yeah, they nailed it and they stopped doing it, you know?

Speaker 7:
[26:10] Because they were like, we've already achieved peak.

Speaker 6:
[26:12] We had a space dandy, but that's I guess more...

Speaker 5:
[26:16] Yeah, I mean, we have...

Speaker 6:
[26:17] It was okay.

Speaker 5:
[26:18] Yeah, I mean, when did Outlaw Star come out? Cause Outlaw Star was like...

Speaker 7:
[26:22] Outlaw Star was also the 90s, I believe.

Speaker 5:
[26:25] Yeah. Yeah, 1998, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[26:28] God, Outlaw Star was so good as well.

Speaker 5:
[26:29] God, that was so fucking sick. And yeah, we've kind of, cause even with the Trigun remake, it is more akin to a sci-fi than it is a spaghetti western, in my opinion. So it's just, we've just lost this vibe. And I would love for a modern anime to kind of like come back with-

Speaker 7:
[26:47] Bring back a spaghetti western, man. I want to see like a, even not even a spaghetti western, I want to see like a Clint Eastwood akin type of like anime.

Speaker 5:
[26:54] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[26:54] You know, like just the classic western stories. Cause I feel like, I feel like western stories, like traditional like Clint Eastwood style western stories kind of just get like tossed aside by a lot of like modern media consumers, just because it's like, I don't know, maybe it's the same subject being told over and over again, or it's like an old formula that's been overdone in the decades. So like, I don't know, man, when you watch like a good fucking western, shit hits hard. I mean, I feel like the whole success of Red Dead, for instance, is like a perfect example of like westerns can still be thoroughly enjoyed by a larger crowd. It's just how you present that story, right?

Speaker 6:
[27:31] Yeah. It's a tough genre. I think it's a tough, I think there's a lot of different, cause it's a period based on like a real time, right? So I think the stories are harder. I think it's also why samurai stories are hard to tell, cause you have to root it in some kind of either complete fantasy or some familiarity in some time period. And I think that can sometimes make it hard where fantasy is, has this beautiful thing where you can just do literally wherever the fuck you want. Same with sci-fi, right? There is no historical context there that might weigh it down or sensitivities that you deal with is greater. So I think that's why samurai stories can be a little tough, even from like, you know, I've seen a lot of samurai anime. Not all of them are great. Like I think more often than not, we get mid ones. It's rare we get absolute bangers. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[28:18] But can you imagine like a samurai Champloo styled story, but it's a Western. Don't tell me that won't go home. If it's done right.

Speaker 6:
[28:26] That would be cool.

Speaker 7:
[28:28] I don't even know if it exists. It might already exist. I just don't know about it.

Speaker 5:
[28:30] Isn't that just Cowboy Bebop?

Speaker 6:
[28:31] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[28:32] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[28:33] But like minus the space. Like in reality, like samurai Champloo was, right?

Speaker 6:
[28:37] Okay. So that's the nineties. That's nice. I would say a very, very solid list.

Speaker 7:
[28:41] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[28:43] I would say one thing that stands out before we move on is that it definitely has an identity.

Speaker 7:
[28:49] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[28:50] It's such a strong identity of like the aesthetic and the vibe of the types of shows that were defined as-

Speaker 7:
[28:56] It's also a lot of firsts as well, right?

Speaker 5:
[28:58] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[28:58] Like because, or like, I guess the genre defining shows, like, you know, Ghost in the Shell, U-Haul show, even Utena. Like a lot of those shows went on to influence so many shows in the 2000s, which I'm sure we'll see a bunch of-

Speaker 5:
[29:12] Which now let's move on to the 2000s.

Speaker 7:
[29:14] Okay. This is looking more familiar.

Speaker 6:
[29:20] It's so funny. Cause like, man, the tonal change and like immediately. So let me tell you that, let me walk you through the list.

Speaker 7:
[29:25] Wow. Okay.

Speaker 6:
[29:26] So the 2000s, the top voted anime by r slash Reddit is-

Speaker 7:
[29:30] R slash Reddit?

Speaker 6:
[29:32] R slash anime is Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Garnt, your favorite. Second is Code Geass Lelouch of the Rebellion. Number three is Death Note. Number four is Gurren Lagann. Five is Clannad. Six is Bakumonogatari. Seven is Haruhi Suzumiya. Eight is Monster. Nine is K-On. And 10 is Tora Dora. Now-

Speaker 7:
[29:52] Shit, did I make this list?

Speaker 6:
[29:53] I will say, the immediate vibe shift, it went from zero anime that included school to five that are about school.

Speaker 3:
[30:03] Can we just re-appreciate that?

Speaker 5:
[30:06] Yeah, that is a lot of school-based shows. To go further down, number 11, Naruto. Number 12, Spirited Away. 13, FLCL. 14, Spice and War. 15, Bakuno. 16, Gintama. 17, Samurai Champloo. 18, Mushishi. 19, Higurashi. 20, the original Fullmetal Alchemist. Then Welcome to the NHK, then Aria, then Black Lagoon, then Ghost in the Cell Standalone Complex. And finally finishing off with Auron High School Host Club. And I would say this is a pretty, as someone who got into anime in this decade and this generation, I would say this is a pretty accurate list of what defines anime, the anime fandom of that decade.

Speaker 7:
[30:46] Yeah, cause you got everything, right? Cause you've got the classic shounens, like Formel Alchemist Brotherhood. You got the incredible storytelling of shows like Code Geass and Death Note. You have the huge rise of the romantic genre with Clannad. You've got the Molly Blob movement with Kaon. You've got the light novel movement with Haruki and Toradora. Like it's got everything that anime in the 2000s was known for.

Speaker 6:
[31:12] Yeah, it's interesting looking back now, how many kind of genres that we have to deal with today kind of really kicked off in this period.

Speaker 5:
[31:20] This is the real unkslop, man. This is.

Speaker 6:
[31:23] I love it, bro.

Speaker 5:
[31:24] You know? This is unkslop.

Speaker 6:
[31:27] This is unkslop, for sure. It's weird, cause this is when I kind of, you know, this is a lot of anime that I initially started watching when I got into anime. But I don't look back very fondly on a lot of things.

Speaker 5:
[31:38] No, like my immediate kind of like reaction with this list compared to the 90s list was, the 90s list has such a powerful identity. It's like so many kind of like genre defining and decade defining shows. And in this one, I'm just like, I felt, I just feel like it's like, oh, here's just like a collection of all my, all baby's favorite stuff, you know?

Speaker 7:
[32:08] Yeah, there is a sense without the 2000s list is kind of playing catch up with the 90s list in a sense.

Speaker 6:
[32:12] I don't know, I feel like it's a tonal shift, right? I mean, when you look at the violence, the themes of the 1990s, and then you go to this and half of these are like, friendship.

Speaker 5:
[32:24] I feel like the 90s is already like, look at this list. It just feels cooler, you know?

Speaker 6:
[32:30] Yeah, cause Spike smokes. I'm kidding.

Speaker 10:
[32:33] He's smoking.

Speaker 7:
[32:35] Actually, a lot of characters in most of these shows smoke.

Speaker 6:
[32:40] Okay, imagine if like, you know, every time Light would write a name in the book, he just goes, fuck.

Speaker 10:
[32:47] Cracks out a bell.

Speaker 6:
[32:49] I didn't want to do that re-edit, man. I don't feel good about it, man. I didn't want to kill that guy.

Speaker 5:
[32:58] It's, it's, it's the, because I feel like with the 2000s, it's always going to have a challenge because aesthetically as well, this was when anime was going through a shift from kind of like, you know, analog to digital. And I feel like the 2000s was a decade where they like, studios hadn't figured out how to use the new technology that they'd been given as effectively than like the 2010s onwards. And I feel like a lot of the aesthetics you're going to see in these shows are more polished in the 2010s as kind of like anime, it's kind of like figured out, okay, this is how we use digital technology to its fullest potential. Having said that, I'm just looking at the characters and I just like, we went from like some of like the cool fucking Spike Spiegel, like Giga Chads to now, it's just like, damn, a lot of some...

Speaker 7:
[33:57] We literally went from absolute cinema to television.

Speaker 6:
[34:01] Are most of these as well on the later half of the 2000s?

Speaker 7:
[34:05] Most of them are mid, I would say.

Speaker 6:
[34:07] Really?

Speaker 7:
[34:07] Yeah, mid 2000s.

Speaker 5:
[34:09] Most of them were, Joey?

Speaker 7:
[34:10] Sorry, mid 2000s. Let me not truncate that. I mean, mid 2000s.

Speaker 6:
[34:13] Okay, let's have a discussion about Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. Does it deserve the GOAT status it had been given for so long?

Speaker 7:
[34:20] I mean, look, it's fucking good. Like, I don't think anyone can deny. You could be the most jaded anime fan and you can't say Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is a bad anime. Like, it does what it does very, very well. But looking at this list, I personally would put Code Geass over it. Just in terms of a-

Speaker 6:
[34:41] From Edge Lord. From Edge Lord.

Speaker 7:
[34:43] Wouldn't you agree?

Speaker 5:
[34:45] I don't know. Is that your anime of the decade? What's your anime of the decade?

Speaker 7:
[34:48] With the 2000s?

Speaker 5:
[34:49] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[34:51] I need time to think about that. Cause I feel like, go back to the top 25. Cause I feel like a lot of these can be contenders.

Speaker 5:
[35:01] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[35:02] Obviously. And also there's obviously going to be personal bias and stuff like that too. Like, for example, like Bacano's at 15, I would argue, I would put Bacano in the top 10.

Speaker 5:
[35:12] Yeah, I would put Bacano in the top 10 as well.

Speaker 6:
[35:14] Bacano in the top 10. One of my favorite.

Speaker 7:
[35:16] Oli Koli as well for me personally, I'd put it in the top 10.

Speaker 5:
[35:18] I mean, there are some culture defining shows here that didn't make the top 10. I would like argue, you know, Samurai Champloo in terms of like cultural significance. It basically, you know, has kickstarted what we see now as like the lo-fi trend, which is-

Speaker 6:
[35:35] Yeah, cause the Nujibis, right? Yeah, yeah. I've got the two vinyls and I've been playing, oh my God, nonstop. Yeah. They're gonna be worn down. They are so good. They're so good. And I guess like, yeah, it must have, that opening is iconic. And I feel like definitely helped at least with the internet of the proliferation of lo-fi.

Speaker 7:
[35:56] Yeah. It's just the entire vibe just became its own thing outside of the anime. Like there are people who listen to the Samurai Champloo soundtrack or watch the opening or know the characters without ever having seen the show. And I think that just goes to show you the staying power that is like the identity of Samurai Champloo, for instance. Yeah. You know, it's been weird for me that the original full medal is in this top 25, because I wouldn't put it in the top 26.

Speaker 6:
[36:26] I can't believe they did the original full medal and then so quickly after the second.

Speaker 7:
[36:30] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[36:31] That blows my mind.

Speaker 7:
[36:32] Well, it's because they kind of, because they realized that they were like, oh, this isn't exactly like to the manga.

Speaker 6:
[36:37] So, you know, obviously because I am not Japanese. When you were growing up, how big of a deal was Full Metal Alchemist when you were a kid?

Speaker 7:
[36:45] It was big, definitely. Yeah. Like the manga was obviously, you know, I had school friends who were reading full metal pretty extensively and, you know, enjoying the anime as well. And it was definitely a big anime in the 2000s. But I feel like much in the same way as, you know, those like Samurai Champloo or Cowboy Bebop or Fooly Cooly, it was definitely more well known in the west. I feel like the identity that it has become now online, is mostly due to its popularity in the west more so than how it was in Japan, for instance, because like-

Speaker 6:
[37:22] It doesn't feel that popular in Japan.

Speaker 7:
[37:23] Not particularly, no. I mean, it is definitely popular. Like there, it's, you know, it's still incredibly at the time, you know, more on the mainstream side of things.

Speaker 6:
[37:31] But then like comparatively to like other shows that seem to have such big staying power and prolific reputation.

Speaker 7:
[37:37] I feel that's definitely due to the west, you know, kind of adopting Full Metal Alchemist as the gateway anime for a lot of people.

Speaker 6:
[37:44] They're Shawshank.

Speaker 7:
[37:45] Yeah, they're Shawshank, essentially.

Speaker 6:
[37:47] I mean, the one thing I thought always did very well is that it starts off as like this really kind of, you know, it's quite dark, right, with The Mom Dying, but then it, you know, quickly, it lures you into a false sense of security. You're like, oh, it's going to be like a fun little kid anime. And then the Chimera episode happens. You're like, oh God. And then people start dying like, oh shit, okay, wait, this is like way deeper than I think it's going to be or how it's going to be. And I think it did a great job of kind of almost the arc that you would go through as a non-anime viewer watching anime for the first time, where you're like, this is cartoons for kids. You're like, okay, yeah, yeah, it's like that too. And then suddenly when you get into the show, you're like, oh God, there's some really fucking heavy things going on here.

Speaker 7:
[38:28] Yeah. And funnily enough, actually, now that I'm kind of thinking back to it, like I feel like in the time that Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood came out, like the anime, at least in the Japanese anime fandom in Japan, I feel like shows like Haruhi and like even Lucky Star were more prolific and more well known and more well established than Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood, because I think at the time shows like Haruhi and Lucky Star were definitely, were shows that were made specifically for that audience, right? Like not very many people outside of the Otaku community in Japan were watching shows like Haruhi or Lucky Star at the time, right? But Full Metal Alchemist Brotherhood was, I think in a lot of Otaku's minds, a great show, yes, but also it was the shounen formula being done in the new generation or the new decade, if you will, which is not a bad thing because obviously, you know, as we can see here, the formula fucking works. But I definitely think it was more like more renowned and bigger in the west as the gateway anime, if you will. So, but like, I'm not complaining about it being at the top.

Speaker 5:
[39:33] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[39:33] It's a good show, you know.

Speaker 5:
[39:36] Also, can you go back to the list, if that's okay? Can you, okay, let's, can you go up to 90s again?

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Speaker 5:
[40:16] All right. Okay, go down. I'm like, all right.

Speaker 7:
[40:21] Decomparing and controlling.

Speaker 5:
[40:22] Yeah, yeah, yeah. One big thing that has been an addition to some of the genre decade defining shows. Cue anime girls.

Speaker 7:
[40:32] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[40:32] Huh? It's...

Speaker 7:
[40:35] 2000s was the start of the Mowee Blob movement with shows like Clan Ad, K-On, Toro and Horror, even Haruhi to an extent.

Speaker 5:
[40:43] It's like the waifufication of anime, where before, obviously, we had shows like Ava that started a lot of, I would say, popularized some of the character tropes that we see in modern anime. And then you really see some of these characteristics be refined in this decade to be like, okay, we're going to go completely Mowee Blob. Or we have Toradora, which is someone who is unequivocally tsundere, you know? And we also see Haruhi as well, and the explosion of light novel adaptations. Obviously, Bakumagatari is up there as well. It's just, it's a lot.

Speaker 7:
[41:27] And I feel the reason why that all these shows became popular in the 2000s was, at least in Japan, it was the meteoric rise of, you know, sites like Niconico that were taking a lot of shows like Haruhi, like K-On, like Toradora, like Bakumagatari or Klanad, and were like either memeing the fuck out of it, or were just in constant rotation of discussion on the internet and the online Japanese otaku community, because they were finally like, oh, we can actually talk about like cute anime girls now.

Speaker 5:
[41:58] Yay.

Speaker 7:
[41:58] It'd be a safe space because we're anonymous on the internet, you know. In a weird way, that is what happened.

Speaker 6:
[42:05] As a fan of Bakumonogatari, would you recommend it to people nowadays? Or do you think it's kind of a tough watch to get into?

Speaker 7:
[42:15] I like, it wouldn't be, okay, if, for example, someone came up to me and was like, I've never seen anime before.

Speaker 3:
[42:22] Yeah. It's like my Bakumonogatari, really solid first show.

Speaker 7:
[42:27] I wouldn't be like, check out K-On! Bakumonogatari and Haruhi.

Speaker 6:
[42:31] I wouldn't say that, you know?

Speaker 7:
[42:32] I would definitely, before anything, recommend like Brotherhood, Code Geass, Death Note, even Monster, you know?

Speaker 6:
[42:38] Yep. I love Monster. I wish it was higher.

Speaker 7:
[42:41] Yeah, I agree. I think Monster should be a lot higher. But like, you know, those would definitely be the easier ones to get into. And then if they fuck with that, then I would start to recommend, you know, maybe the Haruhi.

Speaker 6:
[42:50] You gotta pass the check.

Speaker 7:
[42:51] Yeah. You gotta pass the normie check, you know? You gotta pass the, do you even fuck with this animation at all? Like at the base level? Like let's build the foundation first before I start to, you know, take you up to the upper floor.

Speaker 5:
[43:04] Here's the thing. How many of these shows that are currently on the list right now, would you think you could recommend to the modern anime fan over them watching stuff that is coming out right now?

Speaker 7:
[43:14] Over them watching it?

Speaker 5:
[43:15] Yes. Cause that means it needs to be good enough for them to ignore what's current, to be like, okay, I have to go back to experience this.

Speaker 7:
[43:24] I mean, top four, I would say. Full Metal Alchemist, Brotherhood, Code Kills, Death Note and Grim Reaper.

Speaker 6:
[43:30] I mean, I think the issue is, is that stuff like Bakumonogatari and Toradora even to an extent, is that these shows that focused less on classic shonen or thriller aspects are a little harder to recommend to people who are kind of getting into it. Cause they, you know, I think they were spoiled with the pacing and the level of action and hype that we get in these newer shows.

Speaker 7:
[43:53] I can't convince the average JJK fan or, you know, Dragon Ball Z fan to go and watch Clannad and Bakumonogatari, but I could probably convince them to watch Code Geass or Full Metal. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[44:05] I feel like the problem with a lot of these shows, and it hurts me to say this because these are the shows that got me into anime, is that I look at this list now and for like, I think about half of this list, I'm like, there's like, I think there were like modern iterations of shows that hit that same emotional beat that the show was going for, they've kind of like had time to refine it. Like let's say, Haruhi Suzumiya for example, the more time goes on, the more I'm like, I don't know how well this is aged compared to some modern anime. Because I think I watched like a few episodes of like Haruhi, like last year. And I'm like, damn, was she always this insufferable sometimes?

Speaker 6:
[44:50] I was like, gun to my head, if you were like, Connor, you have to watch Clan Ad and Haruhi Suzumiya right now, I'd be like, pull the trigger. Like Haruhi is a rough watch when you're not 15, it's tough. Cause it's only like slightly charming if you're young.

Speaker 3:
[45:07] Like it's like, now we're like, bitch, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 6:
[45:12] And Clan Ad as well, like, dude, I think we, if you haven't watched Clan Ad or if you only watched Clan Ad, like 10 years ago, you forget how fucking annoying some of those characters are in that show.

Speaker 7:
[45:23] Yeah. Especially just like Clan Ad, like Clan Ad after story, it definitely works well with the, all the build-ups and everything.

Speaker 6:
[45:31] Cause we'd be like, yeah, watch a whole fucking season of an anime to get to one good season of another anime when I could just watch a good season of another anime.

Speaker 7:
[45:39] I could, I think the only reason why Clan Ad is so well, you know, placed on this list is because of the power of after story. Like if after story didn't exist, Clan Ad would not even be in the top 25. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[45:52] Oh yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[45:53] Yeah. And yeah, I think, I think that's the thing, right? It's like, I think with a lot of these other shows like Haruki or like K-On or like Toradora or even Bakumonogatari, I think it was the novelty of the fact that not, there was not really a show that was like this when this came out. And because it was such a new thing for anime fans everywhere, that's what got them intrigued and got them into it. But now as Garnt said, yeah, with given enough time, like given 20 years in some cases to build off of these, like more primitive ideas that these shows were exploring. Yeah, it is a little harder to like go back to it.

Speaker 5:
[46:30] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[46:30] I think my personal favorite on this list of this year is probably Monster.

Speaker 7:
[46:35] Oh, Monster is so good.

Speaker 6:
[46:36] Yeah, Monster is such a-

Speaker 5:
[46:37] Monster is a masterpiece.

Speaker 6:
[46:38] Just for, just for Yohan as a villain alone, he has aura.

Speaker 5:
[46:42] Timeless.

Speaker 7:
[46:43] Aura.

Speaker 6:
[46:44] But like such a fun show to watch. And if you're looking for a, just a really cool show that has you on the edge of your seat, although it takes a little while to get there, Monster is definitely a show that you should watch. If you are an anime fan, you haven't.

Speaker 7:
[46:59] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[46:59] I think personally.

Speaker 7:
[47:00] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[47:01] It's very special.

Speaker 5:
[47:02] I guess that brings us on to the 2010s.

Speaker 7:
[47:04] All right. Let's see. Also from our social anime.

Speaker 5:
[47:08] Yep. So number one, Steins Gate. Attack on Titan.

Speaker 6:
[47:13] Okay. That is the most Reddit number one. Can we agree on that?

Speaker 5:
[47:17] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[47:17] Like I'm not saying it doesn't deserve it.

Speaker 6:
[47:19] I'm just saying.

Speaker 5:
[47:20] I love Steins Gate. I would not put it at number one though.

Speaker 3:
[47:24] That is what Reddit would put it at number one.

Speaker 5:
[47:25] I know they would. For me, top two of the 2010s is Attack on Titan and Mob Psycho.

Speaker 3:
[47:32] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[47:32] Okay. So number one, Steins Gate.

Speaker 5:
[47:34] Yeah. Steins Gate, Attack on Titan, Madoka Magica, Hunter Hunter, Mob Psycho, Monogatari series, I guess. Back in Monogatari was like the 2000s. Made in Abyss, Violet Evergarden, March Comes in Like a Lion.

Speaker 6:
[47:49] Oh, you missed Kaguya Sama.

Speaker 5:
[47:50] And Kaguya Sama, number seven. I'm going to say it already. This is better than 2000s.

Speaker 6:
[47:55] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[47:56] I think already this is like, yeah, a lot of these shows, I would still be like, nah, this shit goes on.

Speaker 7:
[48:04] A lot of these shows, I would be inclined to go back to more than 2000s ones.

Speaker 6:
[48:08] Because the only shows I haven't watched on this list is I believe Violet Evergarden is the only one I didn't watch. And it's a show that I haven't heard much about since after the movie. Do you think it deserves its spot as somebody who doesn't and don't really know the anime?

Speaker 5:
[48:25] Would you say that? Yeah, I'd say definitely.

Speaker 7:
[48:27] Oh, make me cry.

Speaker 6:
[48:28] As somebody who hasn't watched it, but for whatever reason, is it was even worth me going back today?

Speaker 5:
[48:34] Yes, it is. That's my whole point of this list where I look at this list and immediately I'm like, these are still some absolutely fantastic shows that are worth-

Speaker 7:
[48:45] These are way easier to recommend than the 2000s shows.

Speaker 5:
[48:48] And I would say even the 90s shows because it's such a unique experience that a lot of the 90s shows are easier to recommend than the 2000s show.

Speaker 7:
[48:57] For sure.

Speaker 5:
[48:57] I think the 2000s has a real identity problem where it's just a lot of the stuff it started, other shows have done better.

Speaker 7:
[49:05] Yeah. 2000s were kind of the transitional period for anime where they were trying to jump off the back of the cool and edgy factor of 90s anime while also trying to attain to a larger crowd, but not knowing how. And then the 2010s was where they were like, they locked the fuck in and they were like, all right, I think we've figured this shit out now.

Speaker 5:
[49:24] Exactly.

Speaker 6:
[49:24] What didn't make the top 10.

Speaker 7:
[49:26] Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 5:
[49:26] Let's see.

Speaker 7:
[49:27] 11th is Re Zero Vinland Saga, Place Further Than The Universe, Silent Voice, Your Name, Jojo's, Fullmetal Arkham's Brotherhood Again, Fade Zero, Kill la Kill, Haikyuu, Ping Pong the Animation, Hibike Euphonium, Konosuba, Chihayafuru and Hyoka.

Speaker 9:
[49:43] Wow.

Speaker 6:
[49:43] It feels like a crime that Ping Pong isn't higher.

Speaker 7:
[49:46] Yeah, but I kind of get it because-

Speaker 6:
[49:49] It's a weird show.

Speaker 7:
[49:50] It's a weird show.

Speaker 6:
[49:51] But it's so good.

Speaker 7:
[49:52] I'm happy that Hibike Euphonium's up there.

Speaker 5:
[49:54] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[49:55] Hibike Euphonium definitely deserves a lot more praise, in my opinion.

Speaker 6:
[49:58] Ping Pong's my favorite anime of all time.

Speaker 7:
[50:00] Yeah, I mean, it's good.

Speaker 6:
[50:02] It's so good.

Speaker 5:
[50:02] It's definitely up there.

Speaker 6:
[50:03] It's so good.

Speaker 5:
[50:06] I mean, yeah, fuck it. Fuck me.

Speaker 7:
[50:08] Oh yeah, banger after banger on that.

Speaker 5:
[50:10] Banger after banger.

Speaker 6:
[50:11] A lot less movies.

Speaker 5:
[50:12] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[50:13] Well, in 2000s, we didn't see any movies.

Speaker 6:
[50:15] Yeah, what? I guess the Artform kind of, the movie Artform died, but I guess it did feel like at least when I was, I mean, I got into my memory, you guys too, felt like a lot of the movies at least that made it to the West were more kid-focused, you know, as opposed to these older ones like Ghost in the Shell. We didn't get any of those really.

Speaker 5:
[50:36] I mean, I feel like this was kind of the decade where anime movies started becoming a thing internationally because, but the big trend is not so much like Ghibli films or anime original films. It's now become shown in IP films, that are the big money makers, you know? And I feel like there's a lot more attention on IP films than now getting like a big director to make a film.

Speaker 7:
[51:05] I feel like the 2010s was definitely more like, I don't want to say indie, but like, you know, independent, independently known directors works, you know, like Hosoda or like Shinkai, were like really coming out of the woodworks with, you know, like Your Name for instance, which is crazy because like we were talking about the 2016 trend earlier. I have a picture in 2016 of me standing in front of a poster of Your Name at the cinemas. And I'm like, holy fuck, that came out 10 years ago. That's scary.

Speaker 5:
[51:34] Bro, we had Your Name and A Silent Voice both in the same year. Oh, back to back.

Speaker 7:
[51:38] Amazing.

Speaker 5:
[51:39] Banger.

Speaker 6:
[51:39] So let's go back to the list so we can have a look at the top 10.

Speaker 5:
[51:42] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[51:43] Steins Gate.

Speaker 7:
[51:45] See, Steins Gate is good, but it's again, it's one of those shows where I love it, but it's so hard to recommend.

Speaker 6:
[51:52] It's also a show I've never, ever, ever, ever wanted to rewatch. I watched it one time and I was like, that was great. I am good.

Speaker 7:
[52:00] Yeah, look, it's because the first 10 episodes are so slow, even though the payoff at the end is amazing, but a lot of people I feel, especially today, just do not have the patience to sit through the first 10 episodes of Steins Gate.

Speaker 5:
[52:14] Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[52:17] It's hard to recommend.

Speaker 7:
[52:17] Am I undermining modern anime fans too much by saying that?

Speaker 5:
[52:20] No, it's just, I don't know. Steins Gate is super weird for me because it's always like one of the most highly rated on like my anime list and R slash anime specifically. And it's a great show. It's a fucking fantastic show, but it's never been kind of like a personal favorite of mine above some of the other shows on this list, at least.

Speaker 7:
[52:42] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[52:43] I can't put my finger away. I don't know why.

Speaker 6:
[52:45] I think Reddit and websites like it, you know, when there is a, how do you say this? Steins Gate is a very like, it is a story, Okabe, he's a guy. He's a smart guy and he is going through some turmoil. And I think a lot of people don't get a lot of opportunity to feel those emotions through the characters that feel like they are similar to them. You know, I think Okabe, you know, is a very relatable person to someone who would might, you know, I'm not saying he's a fucking nerd, but you know, like, if I spend my time online, I'm going to see a lot more similarities to me with Okabe than I am with fucking Aaron from Attack on Titan. And seeing him go through grief or through these like really slow burn emotions, it's like the peak, I like anime, I have good taste thing, where it's like, it has to be a slow burn. It has to be a tragedy. It has to be, you know, a lot of intense emotions that really take a while to be told. I'm really bad at explaining the mindset.

Speaker 7:
[53:49] It's like the groundedness of the character, right? That makes it more relatable and therefore makes the message at the end seem deeper.

Speaker 5:
[53:56] Well, I would say-

Speaker 6:
[53:57] Maybe, I mean, it's a story about grief and loss and it's something that we can all experience. And I think it's through a gut-wrenching way.

Speaker 5:
[54:05] Yeah, I mean, I would say, I don't know how to properly put this into words, but for me, it's like the characters where they feel like... The best way I can describe this is like the entire cast of Steins Gate feels very anime-y. To a point where I feel like they are well-written characters and they are very interesting characters, but to me, they are not like a representation of the type of people you would see in real life. Like let's say Mayuri, for example, there's no fucking girl going like...

Speaker 7:
[54:47] Duttudu!

Speaker 5:
[54:48] Duttudu!

Speaker 4:
[54:49] Mayushii desu!

Speaker 5:
[54:50] And even like fucking Okabe, his like larger-than-life personality.

Speaker 7:
[54:55] No, but that's the reason why Steins Gate, at least in Japan, was so fucking popular, is because you had these like incredibly anime characters like Mayushii, for instance, or you had these larger-than-life characters like Okabe, but I think a lot of especially Japanese otakus looked at Okabe and was like, I want to be like that.

Speaker 6:
[55:14] I mean, that's what I was trying to get at really. I think Okabe is a very relatable figure of someone who is maybe not cool, but in his own space and what he's able to do, he's able to kind of make a space for himself that feels like he belongs.

Speaker 7:
[55:30] Which is what a lot of otakus, especially in Japan, were trying to do in the 2010s and still doing it today.

Speaker 6:
[55:35] And what kind of anime viewer wouldn't want the girl that just goes, I guess, and you just have the fat friend because that's what you have. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[55:43] And also the fat friend who just makes memes.

Speaker 7:
[55:47] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[55:48] I mean, that's literally all he does. I can't remember anything he does.

Speaker 5:
[55:51] What's his name again?

Speaker 8:
[55:53] I wish we get his name.

Speaker 6:
[55:54] All I know is that like, it's just like, he is the main character and it is apparent that Okabe is the main character and everyone else is kind of like...

Speaker 7:
[56:03] Hashide Itaru.

Speaker 5:
[56:04] That's why he had a nickname.

Speaker 7:
[56:05] Yeah, he had a nickname.

Speaker 3:
[56:07] But it's like, Okabe gets the hot girl too.

Speaker 5:
[56:09] Can you click on his character?

Speaker 8:
[56:10] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[56:11] What the fuck was his nickname?

Speaker 8:
[56:14] Daru, Daru, Daru.

Speaker 6:
[56:15] 98 characters, 98 kilograms, bro. There's dogs in his health report. I mean, it's like, you know, cause he also then gets the beautiful woman too, who's like, you know, ethereal.

Speaker 5:
[56:27] And it's like, I don't know why he's always like, even though this is like Japanese anime, he's always given off stoner energy. And I don't know why.

Speaker 6:
[56:38] Look, he's a proactive otaku who's got a thing for both 2D and 3D girls, talks quite a lot.

Speaker 3:
[56:45] He's like a super bad character. He's like-

Speaker 8:
[56:49] Bro, just like me for real.

Speaker 5:
[56:51] Yeah, I mean, yeah, I like Steins Gate. I enjoy Steins Gate.

Speaker 6:
[56:55] Oh, he's a Nichan user. That's right.

Speaker 7:
[56:57] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 5:
[56:58] That's like so many people love him. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[57:01] That's why Nichan loves daughter.

Speaker 5:
[57:04] Yeah, it's a- Steins Gate is a girl-

Speaker 6:
[57:06] Sexual harassment. Sorry. You know what I mean? Like I think it is a show that really does, when you are a, you know, that's why I watched it back in the day when I had like my fucking Reddit online era. I felt like, damn bitch, that's me. I want the hot red head and the, I guess I want a weird friend that says dude to dude. I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[57:26] Yeah, I just, I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[57:30] I don't think it deserves number one is what we're trying to get at.

Speaker 7:
[57:32] Yeah. Yeah. It's great. I love it, but it doesn't deserve number one.

Speaker 5:
[57:36] It's not, it's not my personal favorite.

Speaker 7:
[57:37] I think it's a little overconfident.

Speaker 5:
[57:39] But it is a very, very good show. Madoka Magica.

Speaker 7:
[57:45] See.

Speaker 5:
[57:45] At number three.

Speaker 7:
[57:47] I love Madoka Magica. Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 7:
[60:44] I don't know if I'd put it above like Hunter Hunter or Mob Psycho or even Monogatari. It would probably be in my top 10 though, I will say. Again, this is another-

Speaker 6:
[60:53] I think just again, strong aesthetics.

Speaker 7:
[60:54] Yes.

Speaker 6:
[60:55] You know, instantly recognizable and an extremely popular twist that was like peak 2010s humor. Oh, you should watch Madoka Magica. Definitely watch episode three.

Speaker 5:
[61:05] It's a really cute magical girl show. Just kidding guys.

Speaker 6:
[61:09] It felt like peak for that kind of time, that humor, where we'd be like, scary maze.

Speaker 5:
[61:14] And I feel like now it's just like the reason I'm like questioning number three is because like the whole like cutesy aesthetic versus very dark depressing story. I'm like, ah, it's kind of a cliche now, I think if anything.

Speaker 7:
[61:29] I mean, also I feel like with the whole like deconstruction of magical girls thing, like, you know, earlier in the list in the nineties list, we saw revolutionary girl Utena. I think Utena did it in a much more interesting way than Madoka did.

Speaker 5:
[61:42] This was the decade where we could not stop using the fucking word deconstruction.

Speaker 7:
[61:46] I know.

Speaker 5:
[61:47] Hunter Hunter is a deconstruction of Shounen.

Speaker 7:
[61:49] Mob Psycho is a deconstruction of Haro.

Speaker 6:
[61:51] Speaking of which, those two I would definitely put above Madoka, Hunter Hunter and Mob Psycho.

Speaker 7:
[61:55] Yeah, I agree. I would put Monogatari above Madoka Maika as well. I also do feel it's kind of unfair to put the entirety of the Monogatari series, like, cause there are multiple seasons here.

Speaker 6:
[62:07] I watched so many of them and man, I tried so hard to like that anime. I felt like a Reddit user. I was really trying my hardest. I really tried to like it. I watched like the four seasons of it.

Speaker 5:
[62:17] Monogatari. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[62:18] And at the end of it, I was like, damn, I still don't get it. I still don't know what the fuck I'm watching.

Speaker 7:
[62:26] Yeah. I don't blame you.

Speaker 6:
[62:29] And I feel like there is sometimes, like, and I know, yes, I was a dumb kid and I might not have gotten a lot of things cause I'm dumb as well. But sometimes there are shows that I feel like will rate higher because they're like, no, I get it. No, I get it. That's why it's in my top five. Cause I get it and you don't.

Speaker 3:
[62:46] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[62:48] That's valid.

Speaker 6:
[62:48] That's valid.

Speaker 3:
[62:49] Do you feel?

Speaker 7:
[62:50] Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6:
[62:51] I mean, I know you actually get it cause you care so deeply about this series, but there are some people who've like put it in the top five and I'm like, really? Really?

Speaker 7:
[63:00] Explain yourself.

Speaker 3:
[63:02] Explain. You really think that?

Speaker 6:
[63:05] I would love to hear more about them in the Monogatari series.

Speaker 7:
[63:08] I just, okay. Another aspect, for example, as to why I think the Monogatari series does deserve the praise that it gets is because at least when it came to the anime adaptation of it, which is what's on this list here, Shaft and Shimbo Aoyuki just did such an cool job of making it visually also incredibly unique. Like, you know, Shimbo Aoyuki was doing a bunch of stuff with Shaft before Monogatari, you know, in the same aesthetic, but something about the dialogue and the characters and the weird vibe that Monogatari is just worked so perfectly with this incredibly weird and jarring visual aesthetic that it made what is essentially a series that is 95% dialogue based into something that was visually incredibly appealing as well, which is very hard to do.

Speaker 6:
[64:01] Yeah, I think the attention to detail on the shots and the colors.

Speaker 7:
[64:04] Absolutely.

Speaker 6:
[64:05] And the composition of every frame in the show is so beautiful.

Speaker 7:
[64:08] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[64:10] And I think, weirdly, it does horror anime better than horror in the sense that the way they portray how uncomfortable some of these talking scenes are is so good. And I think horror anime would have benefited a lot from a similar vibe.

Speaker 7:
[64:25] Monogatari does tension incredibly well, even in a scene where it shouldn't be tense or scary. And yet, it still somehow gives you that vibe of like, oh, something's about to happen, and then nothing happens for the most part.

Speaker 6:
[64:39] And I think it would be the greatest anime opening of all time.

Speaker 7:
[64:41] Oh, I mean, so many.

Speaker 6:
[64:42] Well, that's 20,000.

Speaker 7:
[64:44] Yeah, 20,000?

Speaker 5:
[64:45] 20,000.

Speaker 6:
[64:46] I mean, for the year 20,000.

Speaker 5:
[64:47] We also had Unravel come out this decade as well. Yeah, we did.

Speaker 3:
[64:50] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[64:51] Actually, that might be the most iconic.

Speaker 3:
[64:52] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[64:52] We had some pretty iconic openings coming out.

Speaker 5:
[64:54] Yeah. I would say like, in terms like Monogatari, there are a lot of series that have the same vibe as Monogatari, but I still feel like Monogatari has the strongest identity in whatever the fuck that genre is. Like I look at other things like Bunny Girl Shemppai. It's not even deconstruction, because Monogatari started at all. And I feel like everything that's come out to Monogatari has been more approachable. Like it's good. It's given the same energy, but it's been a little bit more approachable, less weird, less out there. But Monogatari stands as still like the most kind of like recognizable in my eyes. It's like, this is very Monogatari-esque as opposed to this being very Buddy Girl Sempai-esque or, you know, other other series like that.

Speaker 7:
[65:40] Totally.

Speaker 5:
[65:42] Yeah. This is a banger, banger fucking decade.

Speaker 7:
[65:45] Yeah. All of these are amazing.

Speaker 5:
[65:48] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[65:48] I mean, Hunter Hunter and Mob Psycho may be my top five, 10.

Speaker 5:
[65:51] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[65:52] Made in the Abyss as well is fucking amazing. March comes in like, I'm so glad March comes in like a lot.

Speaker 5:
[65:57] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[65:57] Top 10.

Speaker 5:
[65:58] The real question is, do you think the 2020s can eclipse, eclipse this? We are halfway through. Well, actually we're over halfway through now. And what are the decade defining shows so far? Well, we have obviously the big JJKs, Demon Slayers. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[66:16] I know Vinland Saga is in the 2010s, but it feels more on the 20, 25s. I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[66:21] Yeah. Cause Vinland Saga season two is what really kind of like blew up in like with with mainstream culture with the, I have no enemies. Would you put free rent?

Speaker 6:
[66:33] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[66:33] I mean, free rent is clearly a decade defining show. Yeah, for sure. Orb was this decade as well.

Speaker 6:
[66:40] We've got some pretty big.

Speaker 5:
[66:42] Chainsaw Man as well. We've had some big shows. Yeah. We've, we've had some amazingly like big shows, amazingly influential shows as well.

Speaker 6:
[66:51] What year do we put One Piece in? Is it when it ends? They get it.

Speaker 7:
[66:58] They get the go. I mean, it was in the, it was in the nineties list, right?

Speaker 6:
[67:02] Yeah, it was in the nineties list.

Speaker 5:
[67:03] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[67:03] But I guess the anime hasn't really been good until recently apparently.

Speaker 7:
[67:08] I don't know. Yeah, but that's interesting, isn't it? Is that it was in the top 25 of the nineties list and yet it wasn't in the top 25 for the 2000s.

Speaker 5:
[67:15] One Piece is his own thing.

Speaker 7:
[67:16] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[67:16] One Piece.

Speaker 7:
[67:17] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[67:18] It's kind of like trying to argue, you know, Dragon Ball as well. Dragon Ball as an IP is just, I wouldn't say it's like decade defining, it is just anime defining. And One Piece is in that category where it's-

Speaker 7:
[67:29] It's the medium defining show.

Speaker 5:
[67:30] Yeah. Yeah. It's a medium defining show. Yeah. Like 2020 has been pretty strong so far as well. Highest rated series of the 2020 so far. Oh, let's see this.

Speaker 7:
[67:41] Oshino Ko is an 8.5. Oh yeah. Fucking Apothecary Diaries. Apothecary Diaries, Odd Taxi as well.

Speaker 5:
[67:51] Look back, Cyberpunk.

Speaker 7:
[67:53] Oh, Edge Runners. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[67:54] Delicious in Dungeon.

Speaker 6:
[67:55] We have had a phenomenal five years.

Speaker 5:
[67:58] Yeah. We have.

Speaker 7:
[67:59] It's been really good.

Speaker 5:
[68:00] I feel like the 2020, like, I always say that like anime is as good as-

Speaker 7:
[68:03] Oshino Ko is rated higher than JJK.

Speaker 6:
[68:05] Oshino Ko is an 8.5? Are people rotted?

Speaker 3:
[68:10] What the fuck? Do they think?

Speaker 6:
[68:12] Are they dumb?

Speaker 7:
[68:14] I also find it funny that JJK is the same rating as Chigall.

Speaker 6:
[68:19] That's valid.

Speaker 7:
[68:19] Yeah, that's valid. Chigall is funny.

Speaker 5:
[68:22] Ranking of Kings, Dumb Dumb, Spy Family. Yeah. I would say- Pluto. Yeah, Pluto. I would say the big trend I'm seeing so far with the 2020s is specifically with shonen anime, where it almost feels like shonen anime is, this is the Fujimoto effect. It's just getting weird. Everything is getting weird. It is. It is.

Speaker 6:
[68:46] We gotta make that a meme. It's the Fujimoto effect.

Speaker 5:
[68:48] It's the Fujimoto effect.

Speaker 6:
[68:50] Me on my third beer.

Speaker 5:
[68:54] Like you look at some of like the mega hits right now, and you know, comparing like My Hero Academia to some of the modern shounens, I'm like, yeah, that's the last good kid, you know? It's the last squeaky clean like fucking good kid.

Speaker 6:
[69:10] Did you, we didn't talk about this, we were talking about Shounen Man. Did you see that Rezae was like based off like a Korean porn?

Speaker 3:
[69:16] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[69:18] I didn't see that.

Speaker 6:
[69:19] So Rezae apparently, the design is literally based off of a Korean porn video.

Speaker 7:
[69:26] Is it Russian?

Speaker 3:
[69:28] He's watching a Russian porn?

Speaker 6:
[69:30] Bro, he's deep in goon territory.

Speaker 3:
[69:33] That is freaky moto.

Speaker 1:
[69:36] Freaky moto!

Speaker 7:
[69:38] Russian porn actress Hazel Rose is where Fujimoto's inspired for Rezae's design.

Speaker 5:
[69:43] That's crazy.

Speaker 6:
[69:44] Can we bring up the image? Sorry, audio listeners. We will confirm with our audio how accurate.

Speaker 7:
[69:51] Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There it is.

Speaker 5:
[69:53] No, there's even the design of like the bomb girl as well.

Speaker 3:
[69:57] What, really?

Speaker 5:
[69:58] Yes. Well, let me see.

Speaker 6:
[70:05] That's so funny. Freaky modem.

Speaker 3:
[70:09] Freaky modem.

Speaker 6:
[70:12] Oh, man.

Speaker 5:
[70:14] Rezay design.

Speaker 6:
[70:16] That is so funny.

Speaker 5:
[70:18] Inspiration.

Speaker 6:
[70:19] Someone must have been so deep in their porn. They were, they were pretty bad at jerk it to some vintage 2015 Russian porn. And then they see Rezay.

Speaker 5:
[70:30] It 100% checks out like, you know. 2013.

Speaker 6:
[70:36] Damn.

Speaker 5:
[70:37] Damn. And this only got out, he only got out for this recently. There was some guy.

Speaker 6:
[70:44] I saw they got pissed off at him, right?

Speaker 5:
[70:45] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[70:46] Oh, I think most of the Korean fans got annoyed or something. I was like, why? That's base, dude.

Speaker 5:
[70:53] As if we needed to know that he was just a pro-Guna.

Speaker 6:
[70:56] He is a, he's a level 100-Guna.

Speaker 5:
[71:03] Look, I respect it. I respect it. Not even the weirdest Fujimoto thing has come out.

Speaker 6:
[71:10] Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5:
[71:12] He respects Fujimoto. Which is insane.

Speaker 6:
[71:13] Let's have a look at the overall then.

Speaker 5:
[71:16] Overall. What do you think? What is the superior decade?

Speaker 7:
[71:26] In terms of what I mean? Overall, each, each decade has its bangers that were defining. But yeah, if you have, okay, let me, let me pose it like this. If you had to only watch one decade, top 10, which one would you pick?

Speaker 5:
[71:43] 2010s.

Speaker 7:
[71:43] 2010s.

Speaker 6:
[71:44] I think I would do 2010s as well. Actually 2010s was a, I want to say 90s. And I was looking at the list and I was like, I liked the idea of them more than I actually like.

Speaker 5:
[71:52] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[71:52] And look, if Monster was in the 90s, I might have, I would have done it, but sadly it was 2004.

Speaker 5:
[71:58] 90s to me is a nice aesthetic. 2010s is so many stories that just, just to find a person, I guess. Holy shit. So, so many, so, so many stories here that are just incredible.

Speaker 7:
[72:19] It's a nice-

Speaker 6:
[72:19] That's some heavyweights.

Speaker 7:
[72:20] Yeah. It's also a nice mishmash of genres as well.

Speaker 5:
[72:23] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[72:23] 2010s.

Speaker 5:
[72:24] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[72:24] Like it's kind of all over the place. Yeah. I would probably say 2010s too.

Speaker 5:
[72:27] I'll take the aesthetic of the 90s though. Yes. I'll take the aesthetic of the 90s. And I feel bad. I'm like, maybe the zoomers were right with Unxlop. If Unxlop is like the 20, the 2000s anime, cause damn, I'm looking at this list.

Speaker 7:
[72:42] There's some bangers on there.

Speaker 5:
[72:43] There's some bangers on here, but I just...

Speaker 7:
[72:45] Don't talk about my Unxlop like that.

Speaker 5:
[72:48] I look at shit like Death Note and Code Geass, and I'm just like, damn, this is...

Speaker 7:
[72:54] Hello, we were cooking.

Speaker 6:
[72:56] Code Geass is amazing, but it has so many flaws that it's hard to say it's the pinnacle. All right.

Speaker 5:
[73:04] Well, that was the best decade of anime in the past few decades, I guess.

Speaker 7:
[73:08] Hell yeah. Interesting to look back on. What's the next medium of decades we're going to go through?

Speaker 6:
[73:15] Video games.

Speaker 5:
[73:16] Video games? Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[73:18] All right. Let's check out video games then. So we're going to start with the IGN's Reader's Choice with 1.6 million votes.

Speaker 6:
[73:26] Wow.

Speaker 7:
[73:27] So IGN, 1.6 million people on IGN rated these 10 games as the best games of the 90s. They are in order, Super Mario World, Legend of Zelda, Link to the Past, Super Mario Kart, Super Metroid, Donkey Kong Country, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Sonic the Hedgehog 1, Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, Super Mario All-Stars and Chrono Trigger.

Speaker 6:
[73:49] Damn. There are some absolute bangers here.

Speaker 7:
[73:51] There are some absolute bangers. However, right off the bat, I will say Super Mario All-Stars, I feel like it shouldn't count because that's just a bunch of the NES games from the 80s packaged into one game. That's like asking the top 10 albums of the year and then number nine being a compilation of the greatest hits.

Speaker 5:
[74:11] The 90s really loved the word super. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[74:17] This is the super Nintendo era, right?

Speaker 6:
[74:19] Also, most of these games were Nintendo exclusives.

Speaker 7:
[74:23] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[74:24] They had it going except for obviously the-

Speaker 7:
[74:26] Sonic the Hedgehog.

Speaker 6:
[74:27] Sonic the Hedgehog.

Speaker 5:
[74:28] Let's go down a bit further in this list because it's a lot of like the same IPs.

Speaker 6:
[74:32] Super Mario RPG, Donald Pantry 2, Sonic the Hedgehog, Street Fighter 2, Champion Edition, Super Mario World 2, Star Fox, Mega Man, Mortal Kombat, Final Fantasy 6. Damn, Final Fantasy 6 didn't make it in the top.

Speaker 7:
[74:42] I can't believe 6 is not in the top 10.

Speaker 6:
[74:44] Super Castlevania, Punch Out, sorry, Super Punch Out, Secrets of Man and Mortal Kombat 3, Mega Man X2, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Donald Pantry 3. Yeah. I mean-

Speaker 7:
[74:53] I mean, they're all fucking amazing.

Speaker 6:
[74:55] It is a crime that Final Fantasy 6 wasn't higher.

Speaker 7:
[74:57] Yeah. I agree. 6 I would definitely put in the top 10. EarthBound is so low. Fuck.

Speaker 5:
[75:04] My EarthBound-

Speaker 6:
[75:04] Not a lot of people played EarthBound though.

Speaker 7:
[75:06] I know, but I love it.

Speaker 5:
[75:07] It's so good.

Speaker 7:
[75:09] Yeah. I don't know.

Speaker 6:
[75:12] It's a tough year.

Speaker 5:
[75:14] Decade.

Speaker 6:
[75:15] So decades because there are a lot of similar feeling games.

Speaker 7:
[75:20] Well, also it was such a competitive era as well. Like the 90s was when some of the most iconic today IPs were just getting started, if not, really like cementing themselves and like Mario for instance was huge. It started in the 80s obviously, but the 90s games was where it really defined itself.

Speaker 6:
[75:44] But yeah, these are just like the goats that went on to be goats as well.

Speaker 7:
[75:47] Totally.

Speaker 5:
[75:49] I would say this feels like... I haven't checked the other list. Yeah, but this definitely feels like the era of mascots.

Speaker 6:
[75:56] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[75:58] This is where a lot of, I feel like the marketing came around. Okay, which mascots does your console have? You know? Okay, well, we have the Mario and Zelda machine, then we have obviously Sega with Sonic as well. And it's gonna be interesting to see what are the decade-defining games for other ones as well, to see if there is also such a strong kind of focus on which console has which mascots. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[76:30] The problem when you ask 1.6 million people is, is that a lot of people aren't gonna play some of the really fucking long games, like Chrono Trigger or 76. It's easy to play Super Mario Kart and be like, yeah, that's the greatest game ever.

Speaker 7:
[76:42] Yeah, that is true.

Speaker 6:
[76:43] It's like, if you play the SNES Mario Kart, look, I mean, it's okay. It's a rough game to play now.

Speaker 7:
[76:50] It is fucking hard.

Speaker 6:
[76:52] It's hard.

Speaker 7:
[76:52] Cause you can't see anything.

Speaker 6:
[76:54] Yeah, it just like, it hasn't aged as well as some of the other games on the such like Chrono Trigger, Immaculate, don't count country even, even though it's hard as shit, it's still a beautiful looking game and plays really well. Soundtrack, God Tier.

Speaker 7:
[77:08] Yeah. I mean, all of these.

Speaker 6:
[77:10] Link to the Past as well, absolutely deserves to be up there. That is arguably like, yeah, the best Zelda. I generally agree. It's the best, like, you know.

Speaker 7:
[77:18] Super Metroid as well.

Speaker 6:
[77:19] Yeah, Super Metroid.

Speaker 3:
[77:20] Super Mario RPG, so good.

Speaker 6:
[77:22] They just basically re-released it with a new coat of paint and it's just as good. Super Street Fighter II Turbo. I mean, iconic as fuck. One of the greatest fighting games of all time.

Speaker 7:
[77:32] Totally.

Speaker 6:
[77:33] We got the famous, I think that's the Evo moment, right? Is that Street Fighter II?

Speaker 5:
[77:38] No, that's Street Fighter III.

Speaker 6:
[77:39] I thought it was II. I'm correct.

Speaker 5:
[77:41] I'm stupid.

Speaker 7:
[77:44] I mean, there are obviously, you know, some personal favorites of mine I would have liked to have seen high. Like I think Yoshi's Island deserves to be top 10.

Speaker 6:
[77:50] Two Sonics on the list is crazy though. Two Sonics being in the top 10. It was good. I mean, but come on.

Speaker 5:
[77:55] I was never a Sonic kid to be fair.

Speaker 7:
[77:57] Me neither. I mean, I played them much, much later on like, you know, emulator and shit, but like I never had a Sega console. So I don't have as much of a nostalgia to Sonic as some people do, but.

Speaker 6:
[78:08] I feel like Mortal Kombat, if anything should be swapped out for like one of these games given how iconic it was at the era.

Speaker 7:
[78:12] Totally.

Speaker 6:
[78:15] But I mean, a very nineties list, a very safe list.

Speaker 7:
[78:18] I am happy to say Chrono Tree made it into the top 10 though.

Speaker 6:
[78:21] That's, I mean, that's good. Cause I mean, that obviously wouldn't have been a game that everyone would have picked up or played out as well. Right. So the fact that it made it there is also amazing.

Speaker 5:
[78:28] Yeah. Let's, let's go down to the two thousands then.

Speaker 6:
[78:31] I'm sure we'll have.

Speaker 7:
[78:32] Check out the two thousands.

Speaker 6:
[78:33] This is going to be a very drastic change.

Speaker 7:
[78:35] So this is from GameFast.

Speaker 5:
[78:36] It's still Zelda, baby.

Speaker 7:
[78:38] It's from GameFast.

Speaker 8:
[78:39] Still Zelda.

Speaker 7:
[78:41] Massive tournament style brawl for the Game of the Decade. But there are some games on here that weren't released in the two thousands.

Speaker 6:
[78:50] We have a list that was released in two thousands.

Speaker 8:
[78:51] So this is the one that I was like, I didn't really agree with.

Speaker 7:
[78:53] Yeah. Because I'm looking at this, right?

Speaker 6:
[78:55] The Corona triggers that.

Speaker 7:
[78:56] Majora's Mask and Ocarina of Time with the 90s.

Speaker 6:
[78:58] Where's the other list? Sorry.

Speaker 8:
[79:00] So this is from the two thousands. Majora's Mask was from the two thousands. Was it? Yeah. Corona trigger wasn't it?

Speaker 6:
[79:05] And Final Fantasy VII wasn't 2000. Yeah. Do we have a list that was actually from the 2000s?

Speaker 8:
[79:09] It was kind of hard to find a large scale one, but there were other lists that just came out.

Speaker 5:
[79:14] Okay. Let's go see some of the lists of games that actually came out in the 2000s then.

Speaker 8:
[79:19] There's also like the top sales as well.

Speaker 5:
[79:23] I'd be interested to see what the top sales are.

Speaker 8:
[79:25] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[79:27] Okay.

Speaker 7:
[79:28] I mean, naturally, yeah. We support. We support. Well, that's because it came with the console.

Speaker 5:
[79:35] Also, that makes sense.

Speaker 7:
[79:36] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[79:36] Yeah. Go to the other list. The other one that you brought up. Yeah. What's this one? Okay. This is like, okay. This is, I'd say this is pretty solid choice. Yeah. Okay. So this is top 15 and some notable damn guitar hero. You know what? I feel like it's a fair thing because that to me is the 2000s.

Speaker 7:
[79:56] That is the 2000s.

Speaker 6:
[79:58] The gaming, the peripheral mania, where everything had to have a fucking unique peripheral that plotted up your house.

Speaker 3:
[80:04] And it was like, but mom, I didn't get to get the cool controller.

Speaker 6:
[80:07] It's like every game had to have a gimmick because they just figured it out.

Speaker 5:
[80:10] And dude, guitar hero was one of those games where like, if you go over to like your friend's house and you saw the guitar, you're like, oh, we're playing that. Dude, remember when Rock Band came out and it had all the peripherals and you're like, no, there's no fucking way.

Speaker 6:
[80:25] Did you actually have any friends that had them all?

Speaker 7:
[80:27] I had a friend who had them all, yeah.

Speaker 6:
[80:29] None of my friends were rich enough to be able to have all this thing. So I never got to play Rock Band.

Speaker 5:
[80:33] See, it was like my older cousin and that is like the, such as the big brother energy. You go to your bro's room and they're like, no, you got the whole, you got the whole set.

Speaker 7:
[80:44] So do you want to be guitar or drums today?

Speaker 6:
[80:46] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[80:47] Oh, man.

Speaker 6:
[80:48] It's hard to argue that a guitar hero doesn't deserve a spot. Yeah, and I think it's fair.

Speaker 5:
[80:54] And we just scrolled past it, but we had Call of Duty as well. Modern Warfare.

Speaker 6:
[81:02] And Half Life 2 is up there.

Speaker 5:
[81:03] Yeah. I'd say that the 2000s. Left 4 Dead. Okay, let's read out. Left 4 Dead at number 15. Res, not heard of that one. Wii Sports, Call of Duty 4, Modern Warfare, Shadow of the Colossus, Guitar Hero 2, Silent Hill 2, Elder Scrolls, Oblivion, Zelda Majora's Mask, Bioshock, Metal Gear Solid 2, Sons of Liberty, Halo Combat Evolved, Day X, The Sims, and Grand Theft Auto San Andreas.

Speaker 6:
[81:42] It's crazy how many things in this list came out like right at the start of 2000. Like a lot of these came out in the first half.

Speaker 5:
[81:49] Yeah, you know, it's so weird because I look at the 2000s and I would say there are so many like IPs that started in this decade that we're still seeing today. You know, obviously like stuff like Mario and Sonic have been around in gaming forever, but you know, a lot of some of these IPs are still around today that got popularized in the.

Speaker 6:
[82:13] Halo's dead, man.

Speaker 5:
[82:16] It's still around.

Speaker 6:
[82:17] They killed Halo.

Speaker 5:
[82:18] It's still around. It's still around.

Speaker 6:
[82:20] Did you see? They are remaking Halo 1 again.

Speaker 7:
[82:24] Wait, what do you mean?

Speaker 6:
[82:25] Well, Halo 1 has already been remade once.

Speaker 7:
[82:27] Okay.

Speaker 6:
[82:28] And they're remaking it again. I'm not kidding.

Speaker 8:
[82:31] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 7:
[82:32] The remake of the remake.

Speaker 6:
[82:34] Yes. They're remaking it and they're removing things.

Speaker 8:
[82:37] Oh my God.

Speaker 6:
[82:38] There's no multiplier in the remake.

Speaker 7:
[82:40] What?

Speaker 6:
[82:40] It's just campaign.

Speaker 8:
[82:42] What?

Speaker 7:
[82:43] Isn't that the whole point of what made Halo fun?

Speaker 6:
[82:45] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[82:47] That's stupid.

Speaker 6:
[82:48] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[82:49] Why would they do that?

Speaker 6:
[82:50] Because they don't know what to make, Joey. They don't know what the fuck to do anymore.

Speaker 3:
[82:57] Why is one of the questions?

Speaker 7:
[82:59] Is there LGBTQ in Halo?

Speaker 8:
[83:01] Felicia was a lesbian.

Speaker 6:
[83:04] What the? Who's Googling this? What kind of stupid ass gamer are you? When you Google this thing, just fucking play it.

Speaker 7:
[83:13] I mean, 2000s, at least according to this list, was definitely the moment where Japan was still, and it was developing great games, but this is where the West really locked the fuck in.

Speaker 5:
[83:24] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[83:24] Well, there was absolutely a stagnation in Japanese, outside of Nintendo, in the Japanese game industry, and especially late 2000s. I think there was a big struggle to find reliable games that were performing well.

Speaker 5:
[83:39] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[83:40] And it's only recently that I really feel like Japan has really come back to form with just releasing bangers from multiple studios, not just Nintendo. And even Nintendo, you know, during the Wii U era, absolutely was in the gutter. So it was a good five years where Nintendo was off everyone's radar. Call of Duty was in full swing. FPSs were crushing it. RPGs weren't doing so hot. I saw Japan.

Speaker 5:
[84:04] I feel like there are some games that might not have been represented on the 90s list. When did GoldenEye come out?

Speaker 6:
[84:10] Yeah, that was 90s.

Speaker 7:
[84:11] 97, I believe.

Speaker 5:
[84:13] When did Final Fantasy 7 come out?

Speaker 7:
[84:14] 97. No, yes. 97.

Speaker 5:
[84:19] Yeah, okay. Okay, that's what I thought because some of the, these weren't on the 90s list and I'm like, why? These are some decade defining games.

Speaker 6:
[84:27] That's a good question.

Speaker 5:
[84:28] Because we basically went-

Speaker 7:
[84:29] Because games don't know ball.

Speaker 5:
[84:30] Yeah, we basically went from this list. We basically went from SNES, skipped N64 and PS1 and went straight to the PS2 GameCube era. And I would say like there are some big games in the N64. When did Super Mario 64 come out?

Speaker 7:
[84:48] 98.

Speaker 6:
[84:49] It's also harder to play as many gigs. It's like a lot harder to keep up with every good game than it is to watch every good anime. I think. Yeah. I think it's just easier in general to watch the top five anime every year than it is to play the top five games every year.

Speaker 5:
[85:06] Yeah. Um, it's because I'm looking at this list and I'm just, I feel like the 90s list, IGN readers award, you just missed off an entire fucking generation of games. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[85:19] And 64 is not there at all.

Speaker 5:
[85:20] Yeah. And 64, PS1 is not there at all, which I think is unfair because I feel like the 2000s, looking at this, which is, I think, a pretty accurate representation. This is when you start seeing the start of like online games or gaming, you know? What do I think when I think 2000s gaming? Call of Duty fucking lobbies.

Speaker 6:
[85:42] Danny G.

Speaker 7:
[85:43] Danny G from Birmingham, yeah?

Speaker 3:
[85:46] I'll break your fucking legs.

Speaker 6:
[85:49] I was peak, man.

Speaker 7:
[85:50] Classic.

Speaker 6:
[85:51] I mean, that's again, like the Modern Warfare four, oh sorry, Call of Duty Modern Warfare is what really kicked into gear. The 2010s gaming culture. Like that, that is so pivotal in everything that followed the next 10 years. And Call of Duty is still riding on that legacy. It's still making a yearly Call of Duty that sells well.

Speaker 3:
[86:16] Still, I don't know how.

Speaker 6:
[86:18] I don't know a single person who plays COD. I'm pretty sure it's all ChatGBT buying copies to play. I don't know anyone who plays it.

Speaker 7:
[86:28] My sister's fiance is like a massive Call of Duty fan. He buys like every single one.

Speaker 6:
[86:33] I understand the Battle Royale one that's really popular, but I don't understand the yearly card that they pump out. I don't get it.

Speaker 7:
[86:39] Oh yeah. I feel after Modern Warfare, it wasn't as much in the zeitgeist as it was back then. It still exists.

Speaker 6:
[86:49] Modern Warfare too was peak.

Speaker 7:
[86:51] Oh yeah. Literally every one of my friends at school had Modern Warfare too.

Speaker 6:
[86:56] Yeah. And then right after that is when I think it became so mainstream that the following cards were all the double XP, get your Monster Energy drink from the store, get your pack of Doritos.

Speaker 7:
[87:07] Is that around where Ghost came out?

Speaker 6:
[87:10] Ghost was the Xbox One when that came out. So it was this one, COD 5, which was Black Ops, COD 6, which was Modern Warfare 2. And then it was Black Ops 2.

Speaker 7:
[87:25] Black Ops 2 was also pretty large, right?

Speaker 6:
[87:28] Sorry, I'm getting unconfused, Modern Warfare 2 was huge. Black Ops 3 was, I think, maybe the most popular one.

Speaker 7:
[87:34] Right, right.

Speaker 6:
[87:36] So it was, it was-

Speaker 7:
[87:37] Yeah, 2015.

Speaker 6:
[87:38] Let's have a look at the, yeah, Modern Warfare, yeah, Modern Warfare 2, Black Ops, Modern Warfare 3, Black Ops 2, then Ghost, then Advanced Warfare, and then Black Ops 3. Black Ops 2 is really good. Advanced Warfare and Ghost were kind of high though.

Speaker 7:
[87:55] I haven't played any of them.

Speaker 6:
[87:57] No, I don't blame you.

Speaker 7:
[87:59] Yeah, I played a bit of Modern Warfare 2 and 3 when I was in school because again, every one of my friends had these games.

Speaker 6:
[88:04] But also, I mean, it's hard to understate how popular COD Zombies was as well. World at War, when that came out, COD Zombies was such a fucking massive like explosion.

Speaker 5:
[88:15] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[88:17] So defining.

Speaker 5:
[88:18] Yeah. Just looking at this 2020 list, 2010, sorry, 2000 list is fucking yeah. Banger off the banger. Yeah. Honestly.

Speaker 7:
[88:24] Totally.

Speaker 5:
[88:25] Some, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[88:27] Wii Sports, I still play that shit every Christmas with my parents. We get just as sweaty and hyped every year. That shit is in like 720p, but we're like, I don't care.

Speaker 5:
[88:37] Yeah. What's the list when we get to the 2010s? Can we see the 2010s?

Speaker 7:
[88:41] Let's check out the 2010s list.

Speaker 5:
[88:42] Check out the 2010s now.

Speaker 7:
[88:45] Okay. So this is from GameFAQs. Community voted game of the decade, 2010 to 2019 bracket, featuring 128 games that users nominated and voted on in daily polls. So from number one, we have Breath of the Wild, Witcher 3, Smash Bros. Ultimate, Elder Scrolls Skyrim, Dark Souls, I assume one, Persona, or maybe the entire series, I don't know. Persona 5, Xenoblade Chronicles, Red Dead 2, Mass Effect 2 and Minecraft.

Speaker 5:
[89:11] Minecraft.

Speaker 7:
[89:13] Oh, interesting.

Speaker 6:
[89:14] Damn, Minecraft just about made the list.

Speaker 7:
[89:17] Yeah, right? That's kind of crazy.

Speaker 5:
[89:20] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[89:20] Damn, what's crazy is that, okay, Hollow Knight beat Tales of Berseria, understandable, but then Hollow Knight lost to Final Fantasy 15.

Speaker 5:
[89:28] Final Fantasy 15, that's crazy.

Speaker 6:
[89:30] Wow, I can't imagine that.

Speaker 7:
[89:31] That is crazy. 15 was so weird. It was so weird.

Speaker 5:
[89:36] What is Tales of Berseria doing on this list to begin with? Why was it part of the bracket?

Speaker 7:
[89:43] Yeah, Hollow Knight had an easy dunk there.

Speaker 5:
[89:46] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[89:47] Damn, Borderlands 2 lost to Horizon Zero Dawn. I'm actually shocked by that.

Speaker 5:
[89:52] Huh, I liked Horizon Zero Dawn though.

Speaker 6:
[89:54] I did, but Borderlands 2 was great. It was like the one good one.

Speaker 5:
[90:03] Smash Bros Ultimate.

Speaker 6:
[90:05] Bloodborne lost to Resident Evil 2. That's hard to imagine, because I feel like, damn, that's the Resident Evil remake of 2, right?

Speaker 7:
[90:17] Yeah, it must be.

Speaker 6:
[90:18] I can't imagine. What the fuck were they smoking in that year where they felt like Bloodborne lost to Resident Evil 2?

Speaker 3:
[90:25] That's crazy, right?

Speaker 6:
[90:26] That's true. What a game is smoking.

Speaker 3:
[90:31] Right? That's not.

Speaker 5:
[90:32] Yeah, it is a bit weird.

Speaker 3:
[90:33] Right?

Speaker 6:
[90:34] Like Resident Evil 2 is a phenomenal game, but Bloodborne is the game that your one friend won't ever shut up about. You're putting on like five friends that won't shut up about Bloodborne.

Speaker 7:
[90:43] Also, I'm going to say Octopath Traveler 1 winning against Undertale.

Speaker 6:
[90:47] What's crazy is that Octopath Traveler lost to Shovel Knight. Like Shovel Knight is a great game.

Speaker 7:
[90:51] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[90:52] But come on.

Speaker 7:
[90:53] I mean, yeah, but like, see, Octopath Traveler 1 was just all right. If it was Octopath Traveler 2, understandable, but I think Undertale was a better game than Octopath Traveler 1.

Speaker 5:
[91:02] Yeah. What do you think defines this decade of gaming?

Speaker 6:
[91:05] Oh, certainly Grand Theft Auto 5. That's crazy that it's not on this list. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[91:10] I mean, look, as much as-

Speaker 6:
[91:11] We are in a Grand Theft Auto world right now.

Speaker 3:
[91:14] Grand Theft Auto 5 is still one of the most popular games.

Speaker 6:
[91:18] Minecraft, still one of the most popular games.

Speaker 7:
[91:20] Yeah, but a lost to Persona 4 Gold.

Speaker 3:
[91:22] Which is insane.

Speaker 7:
[91:25] That's great. I love people, but I can't say it's a better game than GTA 5.

Speaker 6:
[91:31] There is no metric apart from maybe if you're a deep anime fan, but GTA 5, you could honestly look me in the eye and tell me Persona 4 Golden deserves it. You just can't. You know what I mean? You just can't in good faith say that to me.

Speaker 5:
[91:44] Look, I just feel like whoever's running this list or this tournament arc, there's a bunch of weebs because Ori and the Blind Forest lost to Fire Emblem as well. It's basically, it goes down to like anime versus anime.

Speaker 7:
[91:59] Like, yeah, look, like Persona 4 Golden winning against GTA 5 was already insane enough, but then it lost to Xenoblade Chronicles.

Speaker 5:
[92:07] But Persona 4 Golden lost to beat Red Dead Redemption as well.

Speaker 6:
[92:12] That's crazy.

Speaker 7:
[92:13] That's crazy.

Speaker 6:
[92:14] I just don't know about that.

Speaker 7:
[92:16] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[92:16] So yeah.

Speaker 6:
[92:17] Even like this division, like Cuphead, what an amazing game.

Speaker 7:
[92:20] Cuphead beat XCOM 2.

Speaker 6:
[92:22] XCOM 2, also a fucking amazing game. One of the only great strategy games in a genre that has been stagnant for a long time, did such an amazing job.

Speaker 5:
[92:34] Yeah. Which decade are you going for then? Cause...

Speaker 7:
[92:36] Oh, dude. It's hard.

Speaker 6:
[92:39] I mean, here's the thing, right? So the nineties, we have a bunch of foundational classics that have shaped gaming today. 2010s, we have a bunch of nostalgia, a bunch of weird games, but they are basically pushing it in the direction that the 2010s ultimately solidifies and finds their niche for what will be the Titans, Minecraft, Grand Theft Auto, Super Mario Brothers Ultimate, again, Persona. These are like the really big games that finally get into their stride, I feel like. And truly at this point, we are in like, you know, the apex of nowadays the popularity of video games and the pop culture recognizability of each one.

Speaker 7:
[93:23] Also, the 2010s has the massive advantage that the other decades don't have, which is like the rise of the indie scene. Like we had so many fucking, like just based on the last thing that we saw, like the brackets and stuff, even though they lost ultimately in the bracket, like just, you know, some of the most fucking genre defining indie games, like Cuphead, like, you know, I think I saw VVV there as well. Like, you know, it's much smaller, but just interesting ideas for video games that have come out.

Speaker 6:
[93:51] I think even in the 2020s, we'll see even more in this.

Speaker 7:
[93:53] Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6:
[93:55] Some of the best games I've played have all been indie.

Speaker 7:
[93:57] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[93:58] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[93:58] A hundred percent.

Speaker 5:
[94:00] Do we have a list for the 2020 so far or is that?

Speaker 6:
[94:02] Is Soma, did Soma come out in 2019?

Speaker 5:
[94:05] I think it was 2010s.

Speaker 6:
[94:08] That would be my top 10.

Speaker 5:
[94:09] Yeah, that would be my top 10 as well.

Speaker 7:
[94:10] I still need to work my way through that one.

Speaker 6:
[94:12] It might be my favorite game in the 2010s. Might be.

Speaker 5:
[94:16] Yeah, but I mean, I feel like I look at the list and it's just, if I had to pick a decade out of all of these, it's hard, but I'm like, I feel like the 2000s had so many like foundational classics as well. And this was the PS2 era. This was like, this was an era why I feel like triple A, you know, the triple A studios were actually like pulling through and we didn't have to rely on like indie games. And I feel like the more the time has gone on, the more that obviously video games were more popular, more commercialized, the more that you looked at like these big studios and they just weren't delivering the same bangers that they used to. And now that's why the indie game scene is so big. True. The PS2 fucking GameCube era, man. That to me is like peak.

Speaker 7:
[95:16] It might be slightly rose-tender glasses, but also we had so many good games come out. We had so many good games come out in the 2000s, bro.

Speaker 5:
[95:26] God.

Speaker 6:
[95:27] There was just too many good games, I think.

Speaker 7:
[95:29] There's just too many good games.

Speaker 5:
[95:31] I feel like it was the era where game development wasn't so expensive that we had to wait like half a decade between new game releases.

Speaker 6:
[95:43] But I mean, I think that's where Indies have been really pulling their weight and kind of showing like, look, you can make a game that sells bonkers without needing to have 500 staff work on it.

Speaker 5:
[95:54] Yeah, totally.

Speaker 6:
[95:55] Even Sandfall with the Edition 33. Like, you know, that team was quite small.

Speaker 5:
[96:00] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[96:00] And they made arguably the most accredited game of all time. Yeah. Sorry. Accolades. I don't know what the.

Speaker 5:
[96:08] Well, the most awarded game at the Game Awards.

Speaker 6:
[96:16] My God. Yeah. That was a rough Game Awards to watch there. And the winner is...

Speaker 3:
[96:20] Expedition... Okay.

Speaker 6:
[96:21] You start to feel bad at a certain point. Even if I was winning that many, I'd be like, guys, come on.

Speaker 5:
[96:28] Can we not? Can we not? Can we not?

Speaker 6:
[96:30] That's just embarrassing.

Speaker 5:
[96:31] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[96:31] It looks bad, guys. Come on.

Speaker 7:
[96:34] Yeah. If you had to pick 2000s, you'd say?

Speaker 5:
[96:37] I would say 2000s.

Speaker 7:
[96:38] I think I would say 2000s as well. Just again, there might be some nostalgia involved in that biases, but my God.

Speaker 6:
[96:46] Let's go 90s.

Speaker 7:
[96:46] So many bangers. Well, 90s as well, dude. Like I have a lot of...

Speaker 6:
[96:50] Super Mario 64.

Speaker 7:
[96:51] I have a lot. Yeah. Some of my favorite games of all time were from the 90s. And you know, I lived through that shit as a kid and some of the most replay games in my rotation is from the 90s. So yeah, you can't hate that shit for sure.

Speaker 5:
[97:07] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[97:08] So yeah. Hard tie, I think between 90s and 2000s for me. As good as 2010s gaming has been.

Speaker 5:
[97:14] It's ironic that the medium that is obviously based on so much technology. We're like, nah, the old ones are better. Nah.

Speaker 7:
[97:21] Yeah. That retro era, bro, has a charm to it. They can't be replicated.

Speaker 5:
[97:27] Limitations. You're right. Limitations, reds, you know, creativity. Totally. Totally. I feel like there, I think there is a reason why a lot of the IPs made in these eras are still being sold to us as kind of like nostalgia to be like, hey guys, there's a new Halo coming out.

Speaker 6:
[97:45] Guys, why do you think we haven't seen any Gacha games on the 2010s, Garnt? Do you think we'll see any in the 2020s list?

Speaker 5:
[97:53] Well, Gacha games didn't really get big until Genshin, which was 2020s.

Speaker 6:
[97:58] Oh, I thought it was 2019.

Speaker 5:
[98:01] It might have come out in 2019, but-

Speaker 6:
[98:03] Obviously it like really got its stride.

Speaker 5:
[98:04] It got its stride thanks to COVID. And Genshin.

Speaker 6:
[98:08] Oh, 2020.

Speaker 5:
[98:09] No, no. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[98:11] Oh, on my birthday. Sick.

Speaker 9:
[98:13] Damn.

Speaker 5:
[98:16] No, because as someone who was aware of the Gacha space, before Genshin, it was basically just Gacha game was a lot of just, you know, mobile games. Yeah, PNG kind of mobile games. And Genshin kind of like changed everything to be like, hey, here's a game that feels more like your traditional AAA game that has Gacha mechanics on. And obviously it was fucking the money printer that took over the world. And yeah, I mean, yeah, the Gacha space is very, very different now. To the point where I don't know how much it has defined the era of the 2020s.

Speaker 7:
[98:55] Yeah, it's almost in its own genre, isn't it?

Speaker 5:
[98:57] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[98:58] In a weird way. Even though it is so well known and so well, like, you know, all encompassing now that anyone can like pick up a Gacha game and start playing it if they wanted to. It's usually, you know, for multiple reasons not included in the conversations of the goats. Even if the player base is so massive and the money it generates is so, you know, extravagant.

Speaker 5:
[99:18] It always wins the player's choice awards in the game awards.

Speaker 7:
[99:22] It also does burn some of the most rabid fan bases too, for better or worse, you know?

Speaker 6:
[99:28] It is interesting, like they do cultivate fan bases that are pretty aggressive about their game.

Speaker 5:
[99:35] Yeah, tribalism in the gacha space is massive.

Speaker 6:
[99:38] Why is that? Why do you think that happens? You think it's like a sunk cost fallacy where it's like, I put so much time and money into this?

Speaker 5:
[99:44] A lot of money's on the line.

Speaker 6:
[99:45] I gotta make sure everyone thinks this is cool.

Speaker 5:
[99:46] Yeah, I don't even think it's the, like, because it's easy to look at it and it's easy to be like, oh, a person has put this much money into it. But I think the biggest thing that gacha games cost you is time, you know? It's really, really hard to play more than, like, two gacha games. If you're playing three, I just assume you're unemployed. Like, because the time investment you need to sink into it to do, like, multiple dailies and to keep up with multiple quest lines and all the updates to come out. I'm like, where are you getting the time from, brother? Where are you getting the time from?

Speaker 7:
[100:24] Because you wake up and all you play is garcher games until you fall asleep.

Speaker 5:
[100:27] Yeah. It's like you are adding a part-time job on top of your full-time job. If you're taking on like three or four.

Speaker 7:
[100:35] True.

Speaker 5:
[100:35] I don't know how some people do it.

Speaker 7:
[100:37] Unemployment, eh?

Speaker 5:
[100:38] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[100:38] All right. Last but certainly not least-

Speaker 6:
[100:40] Oh, I'm ordering our coffees, Joey.

Speaker 7:
[100:41] Okay. Well, you do that while I talk about the next topic, which is movies, film, absolute cinema. So we're going to start with the 1990s. This is IMDb's top 250, which ranks films using scores from millions of user votes. These are the highest rated movies of the 1990s. And we only have a top 10 to go off you. Yeah. So from number one to 10, Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction, Forest Gump, Fight Club, The Matrix, Goodfellas, Seven, The Silence of the Lambs, Saving Ryan's Privates, and She-Gun Whistlers.

Speaker 3:
[101:18] Wait, which website was that one on?

Speaker 5:
[101:20] I don't know.

Speaker 7:
[101:20] I'm hearing that one. You never watched Saving Ryan's Privates?

Speaker 5:
[101:23] Saving Ryan's Privates. Okay.

Speaker 7:
[101:27] I love that movie.

Speaker 6:
[101:28] Hey, Ryan a little freaky.

Speaker 7:
[101:32] I mean, look, nothing but bangers, I will say. Is there anything in this top 10 you guys haven't seen?

Speaker 6:
[101:41] No, I haven't seen all of them.

Speaker 5:
[101:42] Shindler's List.

Speaker 7:
[101:43] You've never seen Shindler's List?

Speaker 5:
[101:44] No, I've never seen Shindler's List.

Speaker 6:
[101:46] You've been on so many Shindler's Lifts in Japan though. So many, sorry, there's a company called Shindler. And I'm sorry, I will ever be five when I see it, because it's Shindler's Lift that I go inside of.

Speaker 7:
[102:01] There's a brand called Shindler that makes lifts.

Speaker 3:
[102:03] There's so many Shindler's Lifts.

Speaker 5:
[102:05] What is Shindler's List?

Speaker 7:
[102:08] What is Shindler's List?

Speaker 3:
[102:09] Okay, you being serious?

Speaker 7:
[102:11] Have you never heard of Shindler's List?

Speaker 5:
[102:12] No.

Speaker 6:
[102:13] So Shindler, from, okay, lock in here, remember. Shindler owned a factory that employed a lot of Jewish work history in the war. And basically, it's a very long movie. You should go watch it. Ralph Fiennes, one of his best performances.

Speaker 7:
[102:26] Liam Neeson as well.

Speaker 6:
[102:29] He basically uses his connections as a kind of a business, mogul at the time to basically help save a bunch of Jewish people. And he has a list that he's like, we need to go save these guys.

Speaker 5:
[102:43] Okay.

Speaker 6:
[102:44] I am very, give or get extremely bad.

Speaker 7:
[102:48] I mean, you hit off all the points, I guess.

Speaker 5:
[102:52] I just know it's Spielberg. It's sad.

Speaker 7:
[102:55] It's the entire film's in black and white.

Speaker 5:
[102:57] Yeah. And that's all I know about it.

Speaker 6:
[102:59] Ralph Fiennes plays the Nazi officer in it. And he is so, so good.

Speaker 7:
[103:06] It's one of those movies where it's like, it's so emotionally gut punching that even though it is an incredible film, like an incredibly powerful film, I wouldn't say it's a film I would go and rewatch.

Speaker 3:
[103:18] I would. It's actually such a good film.

Speaker 6:
[103:19] Really?

Speaker 7:
[103:20] I just can't.

Speaker 6:
[103:21] It's depressing as, but it's such a good film.

Speaker 7:
[103:22] The first time I watched it, it was like, it's such an amazing film, but again, I just get so emotionally drained afterwards that I'm just like, oh, I can't watch this for a while.

Speaker 6:
[103:31] And the whole movie is black and white, except for one moment. One moment that has a bit of color. But it's honestly, it's a really good movie. And it's great because, you know, being a product of the 2010s, my association with Liam Neeson is, you have 10 minutes to tell me where my daughter is.

Speaker 3:
[103:51] Or he'll be very mad.

Speaker 6:
[103:53] You know, that was kind of like, Liam Neeson was kind of forced into these roles. You know, in this one, he does such an amazing job. And it's such a good film. So please watch this. Anyway, let's go to the list. I think honestly, for the movies, it would help us more to look at the totality of all of the decades at once, rather than talking about each individual movie. Because we could easily get lost talking about these movies.

Speaker 5:
[104:17] Yeah. So that's the 90s, the 2000s.

Speaker 6:
[104:20] Oh my God.

Speaker 5:
[104:22] The top 10 films.

Speaker 3:
[104:24] Rightfully so.

Speaker 5:
[104:26] The 2000s is Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King. Yeah. The Dark Knight. Yes. Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Rings. Lord of the Rings, The Two Towers, Spirited Away. I was about to say Lord of the Rings, The Twin Towers for a second. And I was like.

Speaker 6:
[104:40] All right. Could have been.

Speaker 5:
[104:42] Decade Defining Towers. It was the Two Towers. Number five, Spirited Away. Number six, Inception. Number seven, Gladiator. Number eight, Memento.

Speaker 6:
[104:57] I just realized something weird. Look at the 2010s. I look at 2010s to 2019s. Inceptions, I guess because it came out in 2010, is in both.

Speaker 5:
[105:07] Oh, what the?

Speaker 3:
[105:07] But except in 2020, in the next year, it is suddenly number one.

Speaker 6:
[105:13] But in the previous year, it was number six. So clearly, rating wise, 2010s is better movies.

Speaker 5:
[105:19] Yeah. I mean, I can already see the difference. Okay, we'll go down. So the movies in the 2010s that are the highest rated is number one, Inception. Number two, Interstellar. Number three, Parasite. Number four, Whiplash. Number five, Django Unchained. Number six, The Intouchables. Number seven, Avengers, Infinity War. Number eight, Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. Number nine, Wolf of Wall Street. And number 10, Mad Max Fury Road.

Speaker 6:
[105:54] Yeah. I mean, that last decade is the weakest.

Speaker 7:
[105:57] Yeah, definitely.

Speaker 6:
[105:58] There's some great ones on there.

Speaker 5:
[106:00] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[106:00] Whiplash, Parasite, Interstellar.

Speaker 7:
[106:03] You know, I've never seen Parasite or Whiplash.

Speaker 6:
[106:06] You should watch them.

Speaker 7:
[106:07] I do want to. I do really want to watch them. Yeah. I think-

Speaker 6:
[106:10] Interstellar is such a good movie.

Speaker 7:
[106:12] What's the Intouchables?

Speaker 5:
[106:13] The Intouchables is a French film.

Speaker 7:
[106:16] Okay. I've never heard of it.

Speaker 6:
[106:17] Les Enfants Terribles.

Speaker 7:
[106:20] Intouchables? Yes. I've never even seen this film before.

Speaker 5:
[106:24] Yeah. I've seen this one. Oh, it was 2011?

Speaker 7:
[106:27] Is it good?

Speaker 5:
[106:28] It's really, really good. Yeah. It's about a guy who takes care of someone who is paraprolegic and they just form a friendship. And it's like a lifelong bonds and it's great. One of those like life affirming, life touching films.

Speaker 6:
[106:49] All right. Well, look, yeah, this decade is the weakest out of the three for sure. I think the nineties is the best one.

Speaker 5:
[106:55] Maybe, who is it that said that superhero films was?

Speaker 6:
[106:59] Scorsese.

Speaker 5:
[107:00] Scorsese. Maybe Scorsese was right.

Speaker 6:
[107:02] I just, look, no, I just can't, you know, like the Dark Knight, I allow it. I allow it. It doesn't feel like a superhero film. But when we're getting into like Spider-Verse and Finn Gawar, I'm like, I don't know, man.

Speaker 7:
[107:19] I mean, I enjoyed Spider-Verse.

Speaker 6:
[107:20] I like it a lot.

Speaker 5:
[107:21] Spider-Verse is great.

Speaker 6:
[107:22] To look me dead in the eye and tell me it's a top 10 film. Like, I don't know, man.

Speaker 7:
[107:26] Yeah. It doesn't have the, I don't know, especially when you compare it to the nineties list, it just doesn't have that, I don't know, the conviction that it's like, yeah, this is like a top 10 film. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5:
[107:40] I mean, it is, it is like decade defining, cause I feel like it's weird that-

Speaker 6:
[107:45] I mean, animation this decade is the Spider-Verse animation.

Speaker 5:
[107:49] And I would say this decade is most definitely defined by superhero films.

Speaker 6:
[107:53] It will be, unfortunately.

Speaker 5:
[107:54] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[107:55] We're in the worst decade.

Speaker 7:
[107:55] For better or worse.

Speaker 5:
[107:56] Yeah, for better or worse, this, the 2010s was defined by superhero films. And yeah, I think Spider-Man is the Spider-Verse is a fantastic film, a animation Marvel, but comparing it to some of the classics of previous decades.

Speaker 7:
[108:13] Yeah. When you scroll back up to the 90s list.

Speaker 6:
[108:16] Look, The Departed, which is like number nine on the 2010s, is like, it'd be probably like top three in the next decade.

Speaker 5:
[108:24] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[108:24] Probably. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[108:25] I mean, but just like look at this 90s list.

Speaker 6:
[108:27] The 90s list is disgusting how good this is. This is, this is a, this is a run.

Speaker 3:
[108:32] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[108:32] Totally.

Speaker 7:
[108:33] There is not a single film here where you're like, eh, maybe not.

Speaker 5:
[108:37] My God.

Speaker 6:
[108:38] Any one of these films except for Machinima's list would have been a poster you'd had in your room growing up.

Speaker 7:
[108:44] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[108:45] This is still a generational run.

Speaker 7:
[108:47] Totally.

Speaker 5:
[108:49] I would say, damn.

Speaker 7:
[108:51] Like most of my favorite films ever are on this list.

Speaker 5:
[108:55] How do we get this list? Cause I would be interested to see what the 80s are. Cause I feel like the 80s would have an equally strong list as well.

Speaker 7:
[109:03] Top movies of the 80s. Let's see.

Speaker 5:
[109:05] Yeah. Top rated movies of the 80s. IMDB.

Speaker 6:
[109:08] Do you feel like movies get worse every year?

Speaker 7:
[109:12] Is cinema falling off or?

Speaker 6:
[109:15] Back to the future.

Speaker 5:
[109:16] Back to the future. ET, Ghostbusters, Star Wars, 16 Candles, The Shining.

Speaker 6:
[109:22] Holy shit.

Speaker 5:
[109:23] Raging Bull, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Do Your Own Thing, The Princess Bride, The Thing.

Speaker 8:
[109:30] The 80s.

Speaker 5:
[109:32] The 80s is also fucking goaded as well. My God. Give me that unkslop, man. Give me that fucking unkslop. I will take these any day of the week. Hell yeah, dude. Damn. Holy shit. Films were popping off.

Speaker 7:
[109:48] Never ending story of Kira.

Speaker 6:
[109:49] Kira is the 80s. I was wondering why it was not on the list.

Speaker 7:
[109:52] I was like, 88.

Speaker 5:
[109:53] No, yeah, it's the 80s. Yeah, I would say looking at the list. Um, I don't know how, how can I, how can I sum up each decade?

Speaker 7:
[110:04] Uh, well, 90s would be just the cinema defining cinema.

Speaker 5:
[110:12] Cinema.

Speaker 7:
[110:12] Absolute cinema would be the 90s.

Speaker 6:
[110:15] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[110:16] And then 2000s would be, I guess, where, or scroll down to 2000s. 2000s would be kind of the start of, I would say, say, I don't even want to say, it's still cinema.

Speaker 6:
[110:30] Well, in the, in the 70s in cinema, we had the epics, right? They were the ones that they would like literally kill hundreds of animals to do the elaborate scenes and stuff.

Speaker 3:
[110:40] Like they were like, it was an epic.

Speaker 6:
[110:42] Like they were like three hours. They were ridiculous. And we got that in the 80s and the 90s, we got more of these, you know, like the Goodfellas. We got the Pulp Fiction, a lot more, like-

Speaker 7:
[110:51] Character driven.

Speaker 6:
[110:52] Character driven, smaller, not as epic, but amazing stories. And then we kind of get, I feel like the Dark Knight and Lord of the Rings are like the harbingers of what is to come.

Speaker 5:
[111:03] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[111:03] Because Lord of the Rings is, I guess the first like modern epic, really, I feel like the three-part giant saga, it's about as epic as it gets leading into the 2010 superhero boom.

Speaker 5:
[111:17] I would say that-

Speaker 6:
[111:17] The Dark Knight as well, the Dark Knight trilogy too.

Speaker 5:
[111:19] I would say that the 2000s is kind of the decade where there is one IP that is not on this list that I think had a massive effect on the film industry. Harry Potter.

Speaker 8:
[111:36] Oh yeah, Harry Potter.

Speaker 5:
[111:38] Because I feel like I look at Lord of the Rings, The Dark Knight as some of the top movies of the 2000s and thinking about Harry Potter as well. I'm just like, this is where you kind of like, you kind of see that shift to like more IP focused, like mega IP focused films, which would eventually blossom into like the Marvel cinematic universe that we see in the 2010s.

Speaker 6:
[111:59] My kid's gonna think I'm so fucking weird. I'm like, no, you don't understand how big Harry Potter was. He's like, what are you talking about? I don't want that old shit there. I'm like, no, it was everywhere.

Speaker 3:
[112:07] It was the only thing we could think about for 10 years.

Speaker 7:
[112:08] I don't want to watch that unk slob.

Speaker 5:
[112:11] Can we Google what are the top grossing films? Because I think that would be pretty interesting as well. Because these are the top rated on IMDb's, but what are the top grossing films?

Speaker 7:
[112:20] Oh, just of all time?

Speaker 5:
[112:21] Of the 2000s. Avatar, bro.

Speaker 3:
[112:23] Avatar.

Speaker 7:
[112:25] Pirates of the Caribbean as well.

Speaker 3:
[112:26] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[112:28] Yeah, Pirates of the Caribbean, Avatar. Yeah, Lord of the Rings, Pirates of the Caribbean. Harry Potter. The Dark Knights.

Speaker 8:
[112:36] Pirates. And more.

Speaker 7:
[112:38] Finding Nemo.

Speaker 5:
[112:38] Finding Nemo.

Speaker 7:
[112:40] Classic. Trek.

Speaker 5:
[112:41] Yeah, what are the top grossing films of the 90s? That's what I would be interested in.

Speaker 7:
[112:49] Titanic.

Speaker 5:
[112:50] Titanic.

Speaker 7:
[112:51] Jurassic Park, Star Wars, Episode One, Lion King.

Speaker 6:
[112:54] But this is also when they started realizing the value of merchandise as well.

Speaker 5:
[112:58] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[112:58] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[112:59] Which I think Jurassic Park and I mean, I guess.

Speaker 5:
[113:01] Damn, Men in Black was one of the top grossing films of the 90s.

Speaker 6:
[113:05] Do you remember that? That was like.

Speaker 7:
[113:07] That was everywhere.

Speaker 6:
[113:07] Everywhere we were growing up.

Speaker 5:
[113:08] I do remember. I didn't realize it was one of the top grossing films of the 90s because it beat out what? Terminator 2?

Speaker 7:
[113:16] And Armageddon.

Speaker 5:
[113:18] Yeah. That's insane.

Speaker 7:
[113:20] Toy Story 2.

Speaker 6:
[113:20] This is where movie budgets are under 100.

Speaker 5:
[113:23] Yeah, that's true. That's true. Yeah. Honestly, the 90s has like the 80s and 90s is a generational run. I rewatched Fight Club recently because Sydney had never seen it. And it's so weird.

Speaker 6:
[113:40] It's very weird.

Speaker 5:
[113:41] Re-watching a film like Fight Club with re-contextualized in like the modern zeitgeist. Right.

Speaker 6:
[113:50] Like alpha males.

Speaker 5:
[113:53] And, you know, the, you know, the post like Andrew Tate world, it's just, it's really weird. Cause I feel like it's still like an incredible film, but you just, you, it changes the way you view a character, like Tyler Durden. And I would almost like feel like, you know, Fight Club was a very, very interesting film when it came out in the 90s, but now it's kind of almost become more relevant in capturing in capturing some of like modern culture in a way. Even if I think a lot of people misunderstand the point of a character like Tyler Durden, it's super, it was super surreal.

Speaker 7:
[114:39] I haven't seen it in so long. I feel like I should rewatch it again.

Speaker 5:
[114:41] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[114:42] Probably a good rewatch to be honest.

Speaker 5:
[114:44] It is a very, very good rewatch. I would highly recommend it. Cause now you hear some of the stuff that Tyler says and you're like, damn, no wonder like so many alpha males take his words like quite literally. Cause it really does capture an anger and frustration in society.

Speaker 7:
[115:02] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[115:02] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[115:03] Damn. I think we like the nineties overall.

Speaker 7:
[115:07] Yeah. When it comes, I mean, like again, that top 10 list is just such a generational run of movies. Like it's hard to argue against that.

Speaker 5:
[115:15] Do you know what I miss? I miss Tom Hanks films.

Speaker 6:
[115:19] You know, like he did one not too long ago. That was okay.

Speaker 5:
[115:21] What was it?

Speaker 6:
[115:23] Oh, something about happiness. What the name was.

Speaker 7:
[115:28] The Phoenician?

Speaker 6:
[115:29] He's not really in the Phoenician.

Speaker 7:
[115:31] He's a Asteroid City, a man called Otto.

Speaker 6:
[115:35] Oh, a beautiful day. That one I watched. Wow. That was six years ago.

Speaker 7:
[115:39] That was six years ago.

Speaker 6:
[115:40] Holy. Oh, wait. No, sorry. That's the, not this one. I apologize. That is the-

Speaker 7:
[115:49] That's the Mr. Rogers.

Speaker 6:
[115:50] Yeah, sorry. Wrong one. That was the Mr. Rogers one. I got confused. He did another movie that came out recently where he started it.

Speaker 5:
[115:56] No, what I mean specifically is just this kind of like the Tom Hanks kind of like emotional life-affirming kind of film.

Speaker 7:
[116:04] You're talking about like the Castaways.

Speaker 5:
[116:06] Yeah, like the Castaways. The Forrest Gumps.

Speaker 7:
[116:10] The Green Miles.

Speaker 5:
[116:11] The Green Mile. Catch Me If You Can, you know what I mean?

Speaker 6:
[116:15] We're not in an era of hope, Garnt.

Speaker 5:
[116:17] We're in an era of depression. I rewatched Forrest Gump on Christmas and I didn't realize how it's not even set on Christmas, but how good of a Christmas movie it was. Just watching it and feeling like hope and joy in humanity and feeling like-

Speaker 6:
[116:34] We don't have that anymore.

Speaker 7:
[116:35] Yeah, there's no like, the nineties had so many and the 2000s had so many of those hopeful human dramas that have like a happy message or an affirming ending. You don't see those anymore.

Speaker 5:
[116:45] Even something like Shawshank, you know, a movie about someone going through a pretty terrible situation, it's like so fucking hopeful in its messaging. And it's just aura, I guess.

Speaker 6:
[117:02] Although I do like 2010s films, it's modern day, Rotten Pats and movies. All very good. I like them. Good time, White House.

Speaker 5:
[117:09] True, true.

Speaker 6:
[117:10] I like those movies a lot.

Speaker 5:
[117:11] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[117:11] So we'll see. I mean, we're getting the A24 film. That's kind of become a meme as well.

Speaker 5:
[117:15] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[117:16] The 24 films and some of them are, you know, complete garbage, but some of them are really fun.

Speaker 5:
[117:21] Yeah, I do agree.

Speaker 6:
[117:23] We're in an interesting time. We're seeing that a dichotomy of big giant blockbusters. And then the art house ones, which I think have realized that we should just make movies for less money. And that seems to be a solid idea. It seems to be working out pretty well. Hey, the movie doesn't have to do that good because you only gave you 20 million.

Speaker 5:
[117:41] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[117:43] So good luck, man.

Speaker 5:
[117:44] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[117:44] Figure it out.

Speaker 5:
[117:45] Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much.

Speaker 6:
[117:46] Worst case scenario, we'll just sell it to planes and they can put it on the Intima system.

Speaker 5:
[117:51] Yeah. I mean, I would say like right now, movies are either like superhero movies or they're just doing their own thing. Weird stuff.

Speaker 7:
[117:58] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[118:00] The genre pieces are definitely like much more stronger. I feel like in this decade.

Speaker 7:
[118:07] The art house biopics. So like the big shows right now.

Speaker 6:
[118:11] Hoping Christopher Nolan's Odyssey is good.

Speaker 5:
[118:13] I mean, I'm hoping it's great.

Speaker 6:
[118:16] I'm a little worried. The cast seems interesting, but you know, we'll see.

Speaker 7:
[118:22] Yeah, we'll find out. But hey, there you go. That was our 90s versus 2000s versus 2010s video. Let us know what you think.

Speaker 5:
[118:30] Every decade won awards.

Speaker 7:
[118:33] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[118:34] In a different, in a different medium. We didn't even plan that. Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[118:37] So basically it's all up to your interpretation.

Speaker 6:
[118:41] Let us know below. Which decade was your favorite?

Speaker 5:
[118:43] Yeah.

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Speaker 5:
[119:07] And we'll see you guys next time.

Speaker 6:
[119:09] Bye.

Speaker 7:
[119:09] Bye.