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Speaker 1:
[00:22] I sound amazing.

Speaker 2:
[00:24] Well, welcome back to The Toast, and happy Friday, aka the last day of the week, aka, like, we have nothing from Ms. Alex Earle. I don't know what this means for The Toast.

Speaker 1:
[00:35] What does it mean for you? Because you said EOD, close of business yesterday, it didn't come through.

Speaker 2:
[00:41] I did, and I do feel like we are now past due. Do you find?

Speaker 1:
[00:45] Yeah, well, I kept saying, like, she has really till Friday, and I think if she doesn't put something out today, nothing is coming.

Speaker 2:
[00:53] Yeah, and I've seen, it's not like she went dark, she's actually been extremely active, she hosted a brand event for her. She's been active-ese-ing, she hosted a brand event, she released a Coachella vlog, a big partnership with Microsoft, so maybe she wanted to get her SponCon out of the way and not have it mix in with the Feud content. I just think she is losing steam, even though, it's so funny, people on the internet, when they've decided who won, they'll justify it either way, and so the comments are like, yes, unbothered queen, and it's like, well, you said you were gonna respond, and it's not that you're unbothered, because it's not like you can ignore this, right? It's global. But people don't even care. They're just done with Alex Cooper, Alex Earle has won in their mind, even though she hasn't even responded yet. And-

Speaker 1:
[01:35] Yeah, they think that that's like a slay.

Speaker 2:
[01:39] You know, cause they're just gonna, like whoever, you know, who your faves are, you trust your faves, and you're like, that's my queen right there. Like she doesn't even need to respond, or when she does respond, it'll be perfect. Like you just, I feel like I'm pretty undecided, just cause I like, I would like to know all the facts. Obviously I'm like Earle leaning. That's my girl. But I do need to know the crimes.

Speaker 1:
[01:58] Yeah. I agree. Maybe it doesn't even matter what she says, if she says, cause like people are going to take her side on this and it seems like everyone's just been like looking for a reason to cancel.

Speaker 2:
[02:10] Alex Cooper gave you like the biggest reason to cancel her and people ate it up. Like, and I feel pretty good about the fact that during the call her daddy scandal, like of course we had an unpopular opinion, which was that like, I didn't think Sophia did anything wrong. And so part of me, like I always, I texted you this morning, I'm actually really struggling with this saga, because I almost always, not to make it about me, but I almost always like jumped to the defense of the person who's being canceled because it's, I've been through it myself on a much smaller scale. And I can tell you, it's just devastating, especially like for your first time. It's just devastating. And I'm seeing so much like really mean spirited content about Alex Cooper, like just making fun of the way she walks and dances and it's just like, that's not what this is about. You know what I mean? So I'm always inclined to like jump to the defense of that person. But I also have a really hard time because Alex Cooper like inflicted this on someone else. Like Sophia Franklin went through this at the hands of her best friends, at the hand of Alex Cooper in a much worse way.

Speaker 1:
[03:11] And not with $150 million in her pocket.

Speaker 2:
[03:14] In the bank. Like broke, unemployed, go back home, suicidal. Yeah, like literally, like, so she's done this. And like Alex Cooper invited this. Like she started it with the video.

Speaker 1:
[03:27] Like she didn't start it, but she blew it up. Like we were all talking about Alex Earle reposting that Bravo mom. So Alex Cooper could have ignored it. And maybe all of this would have laid dormant for a while. But like, I hate when people are like, she started it. No, she just responded to it in a massive way.

Speaker 2:
[03:43] Yeah. And I'm just seeing like people behave in ways that is pissing me off. And I hate, hate, hate when people make me be like a woman defender. You know?

Speaker 1:
[03:52] Yeah. Because I know like low key. And I think that's the whole point. You know, it's like how are the accidental matriarchs?

Speaker 2:
[03:58] Exactly.

Speaker 1:
[03:58] Like we support the patriarchy, but here we are being matriarchs. Like we're not women who support other women, yet we are always supporting other women. I have said and the women who support other women don't support other women.

Speaker 2:
[04:09] I have said since the day that I'm born, like I'm not a woman who supports other women. Do not expect blind support from me. Like I hate you bitches. I really fucking do. Not the people listening to the show. Obviously, you guys are my queenies, everyone else.

Speaker 1:
[04:20] I hate those bitches.

Speaker 2:
[04:21] But I just never been this person who blindly supports women. Yet whenever I'm talking and speaking on women's issues, I always find myself having much more empathy and just support for the woman, more so than the women who are like girls, girls, Amanda Batula. The people who are self-proclaimed girls, girls and who are women who support women blindly, are some of the nastiest fucking bitches you've ever met in your life, and me, somebody who I've always said, I don't support you just because you're the same gender as me. But yet I always find myself, and I know nobody wants to hear it, but I do think a relevant claim to bring into this is Blake Lively. I am giving her the benefit of the doubt. I am. I'm over here, she says she was sexually assaulted. I'm over here believing her, getting my reputation destroyed because of it. People think I'm in cahoots with the Reynolds, okay? And it's just no, I support women.

Speaker 1:
[05:14] I actually do.

Speaker 2:
[05:15] That's what's so crazy.

Speaker 1:
[05:16] But this situation, it's like they're both women, so it's not like you're unsupportive of women if you support one of them. But the way that people feel so comfortable piling on a woman and tearing a woman down.

Speaker 2:
[05:28] And I won't get involved. And I saw a video.

Speaker 1:
[05:31] It's not for me.

Speaker 2:
[05:32] I was sending this video to everyone I know because everyone I know was texting me about the situation because I'm literally Katie Herron. I was thinking about talking about it 80% of the time. And the other 20% of the time I was hoping for somebody else to bring it up. Like I cannot stop talking about this. And I saw this TikTok that was so mean spirited. Like it just, it's like I don't want to be on that side. Like that side is so mean. And so somebody had posted, you know, we've been talking a lot about that real that Alex Cooper made in Vegas to the song Circus. And it was like this slight against Alex Cooper. And somebody posted a video being like, wait, not me actually being, you know, in the room when that video happened. And she shared a video in the audience. And Alex Cooper was up on the DJ table in Vegas. And she was filming that TikTok. Cause she was like, there's only two types of... And she's like walking, it's like stage. She's not like slaying. She's just walking. And the comments are so mean. This is so embarrassing. I would never leave my house again. From, first of all, from like, you know, anonymous trolls, but also like other female podcasters. I couldn't, like people I know being like, oh my God, I'm so embarrassed for her. Like so mean-spirited. These are like the type of people who are like are, you know, they use the word herstory in a non-ironic way. Like these are self-proclaimed feminists. And it's like, you're piling onto a woman because you don't like the way that she like made a TikTok. Like if you want to come for Alex Cooper, that's what's bothering me about this whole situation. If you want to come for Alex Cooper, like I do believe there are legitimate criticisms of her. And like, if you want to cancel her for X, Y, and Z, like sure, I could see you having a point. But like at this very moment, we don't know what she did yet. Everyone's hyping it up, like Brianna Chicken-frying, and then I heard what you did to Alex Earle. We need to know. We need to know. Because right now it's giving Mean Girl.

Speaker 1:
[07:06] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:08] And so I need Alex Earle to post to her video for a multitude of reasons, but also so like I can make a decree.

Speaker 1:
[07:13] Right. So we can adjudicate on the matter. I agree. That video, I didn't see the video, but you sent me a screenshot. And what's so crazy is the person who made the video, they have like five million views for like clowning on Alex Cooper's dance to Circus. And the caption is, when I realized I saw the circus performance by Alex Cooper in Vegas. You mean, when you realize and remember that you bought tickets to her event as a fan of hers, do you have a brain injury that you forgot that you did that? Like acting like, oh, I accidentally stumbled there. No, you bought a ticket.

Speaker 2:
[07:46] I was walking through the street and I saw this performance. No, you're at the event. You're at the event.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] You're a fan, you bought a ticket and now like you're clowning on her. Meanwhile, you're there with your phone in the air.

Speaker 2:
[07:57] You probably have to fly in.

Speaker 1:
[07:58] The way that she's like flipping it to be like, that she accidentally stumbled upon this situation.

Speaker 2:
[08:06] The comments like really shook me. I couldn't, I had like kind of a crazy reaction to it where I was like, yucky, I'm not piling on, like I will not be a part of this. And again, I don't really know what the crime she's currently being accused of, because like we're still waiting for that video. But if we would like to have like conversations about other things like Sophia Franklin, like yeah, I said it at the time and I'd say it now, like it was abhorrent what was done to that girl and she deserves justice. And you know what? She really deserves $30 million.

Speaker 1:
[08:33] Yeah. I think that would make it right.

Speaker 2:
[08:35] A hundred percent. Her best friend, like-

Speaker 1:
[08:37] Well, the 60 million was for the catalog and the work that Alex- And future work.

Speaker 2:
[08:42] And future work. But at the time, I just want to say the value, the reason she got 60 million, they didn't know she was going to go on to become this huge influencer podcast or interview or whatever. They were paying the 60, yeah, for future episodes, but mostly for the catalog of Sophia's work.

Speaker 1:
[08:56] For both, for both, you don't pay 60 million for old episodes. Like you have to be releasing. So it's not 60 million for the catalog. So I guess we can decide.

Speaker 2:
[09:05] Fine, 20.

Speaker 1:
[09:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:06] She gets 20, 40 for the catalog, 20 for future work.

Speaker 1:
[09:10] Yeah. Also, I think one of my hotter takes is that if they had left without their IP and just changed the name of their show, they would have been fine. People think that the call her daddy IP is so valuable. No, the girls were so valuable and what they made of it. You could call the show Duty On A Stick. Everyone would want to listen.

Speaker 2:
[09:27] Yes, and now six years later, yes, there's six years of branding. At the time, it had been one year and they did not need it. They should have left together. They could have gotten a deal elsewhere for more and they would have continued to become bigger and bigger and bigger. And everything Sophia did at that time when their contract was up and she was hosting the biggest podcast in the world, bigger than Joe Rogan. It was the biggest podcast in the entire world.

Speaker 1:
[09:50] Their contract was not up.

Speaker 2:
[09:52] Whatever. They got to a place where they were allowed to renegotiate.

Speaker 1:
[09:55] No, and I think I remember at the time, like it was COVID. And I think like Dave said, like they were paying the salaries of so many people, like keeping the lights on at Barstool because their podcast was so big. No, no, no. Like, so pay them more. You know what I mean?

Speaker 2:
[10:08] Oh, call her daddy was like, yes. Because only like 10% of shows are actually successful. 10% of talent.

Speaker 1:
[10:12] COVID, like everybody is like in the red and like that show is just huge. And they had so much leverage. And it's not that they out leverage themselves. I remember they used to say like Sophia was moving the goalposts. It's like, no, she was asking for more because like she was, they were in the driver's seat. And it's not that Dave was like, fuck you guys. I'm not giving it to you. It was that they broke.

Speaker 2:
[10:31] And Alex took the lesser deal.

Speaker 1:
[10:33] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:33] So Dave is a businessman being like, all right, I can negotiate with this one girl who wants $60 million or this other girl who'll do it for 500.

Speaker 1:
[10:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[10:41] And so at the time I remember saying it and I feel that way now, I would have done exactly what Sophia Franklin did. And she got so much shit because she had a boyfriend. Oh, he controlled her. Some of you bitches are so fucking stupid. Like, no, no, you have a man who literally has an MBA in business. You're in this business for one year. He works at HBO. He's a C-suite executive. No, you'd be an idiot not to take his advice and let him help you and let him make introductions to agents, lawyers, managers, people to help make the deal. And what's so funny is like, yeah, I think Alex really sailed on that like Sophia letting her business be run by a man. Meanwhile, she was just getting advice from someone smarter than both of them at the time. And now, like Alex Cooper runs her business in partnership with her husband. Her husband's like smaller production company has merged with her. That's what Unwell is. It's like this big thing with his previously existing work and her Unwell company. So like, there's nothing wrong with Slay. I work with my husband. It's the best when you actually respect your partner. Like, who cares that he's a man? Like people are just so like obsessed with hating men. So like, yeah, if we want to have like an actual critical conversation about that, sure, at present it just kind of feels like a pylon and I need to know what she did before I joined the pylon because right now, it's giving Mean Girl.

Speaker 1:
[11:54] Yeah, I agree. So I guess there's nothing to really adjudicate today. Actually, I think there was one update.

Speaker 2:
[12:03] Yeah, except that like, it just seems like everyone in the industry hates her. That's what's interesting.

Speaker 1:
[12:07] And like, when did that happen?

Speaker 2:
[12:09] Right, everyone who was like going on her tour has been on her show, like now saying they hate her, yada yada yada.

Speaker 1:
[12:14] It's just like so funny, because I feel like we're the ones holding the line. Never got invited to shit.

Speaker 2:
[12:19] We've never been asked to be on Call Her Daddy. We've never been asked to be a part of her tour. She has like largely gone out of her way to ignore us.

Speaker 1:
[12:24] Recently, until recently, because she asked you to do like the Unwell Vegas thing.

Speaker 2:
[12:28] Oh yeah, she did ask me to do the Unwell Vegas.

Speaker 1:
[12:30] But that was like very recent. But when, you know, in the time when she-

Speaker 2:
[12:33] It was just like a very low paying gig. That's what I'll say, because I'll do anything. And I think that's been a criticism of hers, that she wants to work with everyone to pay them well below what they're worth. That's what I've heard from almost everybody I know who's worked with her, is that they, she gives, like she sends offers out to everyone to distribute their podcasts, to have them as talent, to go to events. And she doesn't pay them what they're worth. Meanwhile, like she's, you know, benefiting the most from being a female in podcasting. And she gets that $60 million, $125 million deal. So she's very proud and good for her. Like she gets what she's worth and then some. And then when it comes time for her to work with other talents, she like grossly under pays them. So that's why I think people in the industry like have a very negative association with her. Like their interactions have not been great and yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:18] Yes. But also like, if you don't like the paycheck, like you don't have to take it. So she offers, you know, what I think people wouldn't want to accept, but like if you accept it, then that's on you. Is what I'll say. And also anybody who wants to like do business with her, like after Sophia Gate, like that's really surprising.

Speaker 2:
[13:37] Yeah, I don't, people didn't see it. Maybe now they will, but like the Alix Earle thing, like that was, if you were following since the very beginning from the Sophia Franklin days, like not really shocking.

Speaker 1:
[13:50] Yeah. Yeah. So it's just, it's funny that we're holding the line here.

Speaker 2:
[13:55] I know. I just, I'm like, I feel like it's so ingrained in our DNA, like just to have like a little bit of like devil's advocate. And I don't think it's unreasonable to say like, I just want to know what she did first. Like no accusations have been made yet. And I think I have a good feeling as to what they are based on just like me following this story for the last year or two. But Alex Earle like needs to speak up stat.

Speaker 1:
[14:16] If it is what like we think it is, you know, like just then she's not like really the villain in the story.

Speaker 2:
[14:23] No, but she, like she is, but she's been the villain the whole time. Like she's acting now how she's always acted and people have been eating it up. And now they just don't like it because it doesn't serve them. Or I think that she's getting a little bit of a James Cordeny.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] And it's like, well, she's everywhere.

Speaker 2:
[14:36] She's in the new, she's in Verity.

Speaker 1:
[14:38] Yeah, I know that was the story today.

Speaker 2:
[14:39] And that's also a part of it. People are just fucking jealous. Like that needs to be, that actually can't be overstated because there are so many women who are in this business and they operate at a good level. She is on another stratosphere. She has interviewed everyone. There's nobody she can't interview except for Taylor Swift. She has so much money she doesn't even know what to do with. She keeps starting these random companies. She is so imbedded deeply in pop culture. She got the job that every millennial woman on the planet would have wanted hosting the Hannah Montana special. So anyone who's in our sphere, who's just coming for her because it's popular, is also just jealous. Like, I'm jealous.

Speaker 1:
[15:19] I think those people are jealous. I think the people who have just turned on her on a dime, like just sheep, are also jealous. I don't think Alix Earle is a jealousy issue.

Speaker 2:
[15:31] Oh, no. Like Alix Earle, that's why I think Alex Cooper was so threatened by her. Alix Earle did eclipse her during their time together. Alix Earle is so beloved. Yeah, no, I wasn't talking about, I'm just talking about everyone who's chiming in now. It's like, well, you didn't say anything when she was popular, first of all.

Speaker 1:
[15:50] That's my thing, you know?

Speaker 2:
[15:51] You reaped the benefits of it. You went to the tour. You got your check, you got involved. Like, Harry Jowsey's not turning on her because she pays his motherfucking bills.

Speaker 1:
[16:00] Yeah, and that's my loyal king right there. That's how I raised him. That's how I raised him to be loyal.

Speaker 2:
[16:08] I'm cracking up. That is how you raised him.

Speaker 1:
[16:11] I raised him to be loyal. And you know what? And that's his friend, right? So why all of a sudden would that not be his friend?

Speaker 2:
[16:17] No, I hate people. That was your friend enough to, like you were happy to catch those checks, but now everyone hates and now you can see that she's an evil person. Like, please, I hate when people do that. Yeah, I have like more respect for you when you stand up for your friend, even if it's like unpopular because they were your friend enough, you know, before everyone hated them, like you were happy to. So I think it makes people makes people look bad.

Speaker 1:
[16:39] Yeah. Yeah, it's getting a little crazy out there.

Speaker 2:
[16:43] And so I actually think like Alex Earle, like leaving us all hang out, like hung out to dry so far is making people crazy.

Speaker 1:
[16:50] Yeah. And I just don't think it's coming. At all?

Speaker 2:
[16:54] Or the top is not going to be a big bomb?

Speaker 1:
[16:56] I don't think it's coming at all until a reality show or a Get Real With Me like in weeks. Like I think sometimes people do this where they don't respond for like a long time. And then when they do, it's like, you know, bam. But sometimes it's not bam because too much time has passed.

Speaker 2:
[17:12] Oh, 1000%. I am starting to feel like a little over it. Not a lot, but I could see myself getting there.

Speaker 1:
[17:20] Yeah. So I don't think it's coming today.

Speaker 2:
[17:23] I don't think it's coming today either because if she wanted to like really make waves, you don't release something on a Friday.

Speaker 1:
[17:27] Unless it's coming like this morning.

Speaker 2:
[17:30] Well, we are on alert.

Speaker 1:
[17:31] It's 9 45 a.m. If it doesn't happen before noon today, like it's not happening.

Speaker 2:
[17:35] And of course, everyone know like, you know, everyone in the building, just alert me, right? Everyone knows, like, don't be shy.

Speaker 1:
[17:43] You like, yeah, barge in.

Speaker 2:
[17:44] Storm the best deal. Well, what's new with you?

Speaker 1:
[17:48] What's new with me?

Speaker 2:
[17:49] It's such a hard day. Like, it is so difficult being me.

Speaker 1:
[17:53] You.

Speaker 2:
[17:54] What did you do?

Speaker 1:
[17:56] When?

Speaker 2:
[17:57] What are you talking about?

Speaker 1:
[18:00] I had a hard day. I'm having a hard day like the kids are sick.

Speaker 2:
[18:03] Today. Today.

Speaker 1:
[18:04] I'm just having a rough one.

Speaker 2:
[18:06] I was being sarcastic because like yesterday, I had to drive out to the Hamptons to find our summer rental, which is a thankless job, might I add. But as the only person who lives in New York and has a flexible schedule, I'm tasked with the responsibility of finding our Hampton summer rental. Now, the first year we rented, I filled out the paperwork online. I never saw the house in person and it was such a great big mistake.

Speaker 1:
[18:24] Yeah, because when we were in the house, the moment we walked in, we were like, damn, if we just saw it once, we would have known that it was not the buy.

Speaker 2:
[18:30] I never got this house.

Speaker 1:
[18:31] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:32] So now it's my job and I decided to have a little fun with it. Because first of all, it was 1000 degrees. I was sweating. Ben was cracking me up. He's like, why are you wearing? I was wearing this boys lie long sleeve shirt that looked thin and when I put it on, it was fleece inside. I was dying because you know all these houses are sitting unused so the air is not on. It was also like 18. I'm walking up and down the stairs trying to get videos for everyone. I was sweating.

Speaker 1:
[18:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[18:58] So on the way to the house, Ben gives me the shirt off his back. He was wearing this very thin aloe t-shirt. I have to tell you, I instantly was better and he didn't have a shirt. He walked into the house without a shirt on.

Speaker 1:
[19:08] Without a shirt.

Speaker 2:
[19:10] But then he remembered he had, some of his friends got him a shirt from the masters, so he had kept it in the car.

Speaker 1:
[19:15] You two are not okay.

Speaker 2:
[19:17] No. We were both changing in someone's driveway.

Speaker 1:
[19:21] That's really crazy, that Ben walked into the house without a shirt on.

Speaker 2:
[19:25] No, sorry.

Speaker 1:
[19:25] He didn't walk in.

Speaker 2:
[19:26] He walked in the driveway.

Speaker 1:
[19:27] I'm ready to rent.

Speaker 2:
[19:30] So then, I have seven or eight houses, we saw. And at the last house, I was just like, seriously, I was in hell. And I don't want to be responsible for choosing a house that everyone hates, right? So I take really in-depth videos with lots of commentary. It's like four or five parts. I get the downstairs, the outside. And then I put them in a drop box and I made a special drop box. And I was like, I know none of these bitches are gonna watch my videos in full, even though I told you you have to watch them in full and listen with audio. So at the very end of the very last video, I said, okay, this is the last video. And just to prove if any of you bitches actually made it here, I want you to write in our family chat, a purple heart. I thought that was pretty genius. And I want to say everyone passed, except for motherfucking Margot.

Speaker 1:
[20:15] Except for Margot. And she keeps going, what's with the purple hearts, everybody?

Speaker 2:
[20:19] And I'm like, why don't you be more guilty?

Speaker 1:
[20:21] I was like, you're telling on yourself. I watched all your videos. I just couldn't get around to it until later because I wanted to give it the time and energy it deserved. Because I had to co-sleep.

Speaker 2:
[20:30] All that to say, I don't think we found the house.

Speaker 1:
[20:31] I took co-sleep my way to sleep, you know, like in order to get these kids down. Jealous. Then I had to watch Beverly Hills and I had to watch last week's episode.

Speaker 2:
[20:40] But I did it.

Speaker 1:
[20:42] But I did it.

Speaker 2:
[20:43] It was kind of a frustrating episode.

Speaker 1:
[20:46] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[20:47] I hate when Erica gets like that.

Speaker 1:
[20:48] I know, but Dorit's been like that too now where they both talk like gangsters.

Speaker 2:
[20:53] I don't care, I like when Dorit does it.

Speaker 1:
[20:55] I like it too, because she needs to stand up for herself. But it's like, why are they talking like that?

Speaker 2:
[21:00] Nine years. Okay, nine years. It was insane.

Speaker 1:
[21:03] So they're so crazy. They literally think they're like the godfather.

Speaker 2:
[21:08] Yes. And then Erica was on What Happens Live and she didn't bring that energy, which I was grateful for. And Andy did ask some really good questions specifically about how close Rachel, Zo and Dorit are. And I think he was just trying to fish, are you jealous? Are you mad? Do you hate that? And Erica was like, no, I'm never surprised by the friendships in this group.

Speaker 1:
[21:25] I am so surprised and delighted by Rachel, Zo. Her personality is just so not what you would expect. You would expect her to be cold and distant and just so cool because she's so cool with the sunglasses. And she's just this warm, bubbly, happy, giddy person. And it's-

Speaker 2:
[21:44] You know what she is?

Speaker 1:
[21:45] What?

Speaker 2:
[21:46] She's kind of a girl's girl.

Speaker 1:
[21:47] Well, she is a girl's girl for sure. And she says cliche things and they sound cool coming out of her mouth. She's just really surprising and delightful.

Speaker 2:
[21:57] I completely agree.

Speaker 1:
[21:58] And I just love watching her. I feel like I just want to look at her. Her hair is so shiny and long.

Speaker 2:
[22:04] She's a spectacle.

Speaker 1:
[22:06] She's like really, yeah, I think she's awesome.

Speaker 2:
[22:09] Oh my God, we've been gabbing for 20 minutes.

Speaker 1:
[22:11] I know, we've talked pretty much-

Speaker 2:
[22:12] Oh, and we didn't get to sort of burying the lead. Ciara's spoken out. We gotta get to the stories.

Speaker 1:
[22:16] Yeah, we pretty much did the stories in the PFFB. But oh, so you think we didn't find the house? I felt like there were two strong options.

Speaker 2:
[22:25] I don't know, I don't know. I was like also losing my mind. Jackie was like, well, the house is good.

Speaker 1:
[22:28] I'm like, no.

Speaker 2:
[22:29] I know. And she was like, they look nice. And I was having a stroke.

Speaker 1:
[22:31] She literally, in the video, she walks into like this pargy bedroom, and she's like, oh, this house keeps getting worse. I was like, what am I missing?

Speaker 2:
[22:40] No, because you have to be there. Yeah, no, I understand. The smell and like the vibe. Like I could just tell you it wasn't right.

Speaker 1:
[22:45] But I thought the room was like adorable. I'm like, ooh, nice new room. She's like, this house just keeps getting worse.

Speaker 2:
[22:50] It's a dump. You had to do that.

Speaker 1:
[22:53] She walks into like the master suite. She's like, I don't think this house is gonna work for us.

Speaker 2:
[23:00] You guys, it's the worst job in the family. I seriously.

Speaker 1:
[23:04] I don't think it sounds fun at all. And it's not like, and the Hamptons are like pretty much like closed for the season. So it's not like you're out there like at Tate's.

Speaker 2:
[23:11] Partying it up at Surf Lodge. No, and also what it's taught me is like, I'm really not going to ever be able to live in the suburbs. No, the stairs, it's insane. Unless I get like a really big ranch style home with no stairs. It's insane that people live in houses that have like a basement, a main level and then upstairs.

Speaker 1:
[23:32] Yeah, yeah. We don't have basements here in Florida. And like, I have stairs, but my daily, I mean, aside from I come upstairs to do the show, but I'm not like hiking up and down the stairs all day.

Speaker 2:
[23:41] Right, right. It just, it doesn't seem like a pargy way of life. I'm not interested. And I've always dreamed of like having a mansion with a spiral staircase, now.

Speaker 1:
[23:48] What about if it had an elevator?

Speaker 2:
[23:51] That's just like a fat lazy thing to do. Do you need to take the elevator in your own home, one floor? Like I would be too ashamed even in private, honestly.

Speaker 1:
[23:59] But you can get it, just know you could get an elevator and like that would sort of solve the problem. If you're on the third floor and you have to go to the basement.

Speaker 2:
[24:06] I need like an electric chair up and down the staircase. I think that would probably be best for me.

Speaker 1:
[24:10] That would be really beautiful to look at.

Speaker 2:
[24:13] Yeah, like my big regal staircase and I'm sort of like electrically sliding down.

Speaker 1:
[24:20] I think it can be solved with an elevator. Like don't let that stop you from home ownership.

Speaker 2:
[24:25] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[24:25] Or you could find a ranch style home.

Speaker 2:
[24:28] Or I could find a ranch style home.

Speaker 1:
[24:29] Which I know that you just want anyway. We like to love a ranch.

Speaker 2:
[24:33] I love a ranch.

Speaker 1:
[24:35] Now let's get into the stories, the Fast Five stories that you do need to know.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[29:01] Thank you, T-Turt.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 1:
[29:05] Our first story, Ciara Miller is breaking her silence on West Mandeval with a glamour cover story. So Ciara Miller is on the cover of Glamour Magazine talking about West Mandeval. It's titled Ciara Miller Will Let the Universe Handle It. So she's explaining the shock that she experienced, the betrayal and how she's feeling in this moment.

Speaker 2:
[29:31] Yeah, I saw a really good quote that just, I assumed this would be her take. It was this, it's one thing to experience hurt behind closed doors. To experience it so publicly is adding another layer. And then to have to see what you thought was your life still play out in a season. It's a major mindfuck. I fought with your own husband to advocate for you. I have championed you. I have tried to be there in different ways for you and help you and get you to see your value in yourself. And so to be so disregarded in such a disrespectful way, honestly, it's at times I'm lost for words. At the end of the day, a guy's a guy. Whether or not Wes and I are working on a relationship, you just can't put anything past a man. But I just never would think that it would have come from someone like Amanda who has been what has felt like in my circle and in my corner for so long. I think that's the craziest part.

Speaker 1:
[30:14] That's the truth. Like the West moving on with someone else was always gonna happen and there was really no one he could have moved on with. That would be that shocking aside from...

Speaker 2:
[30:27] Even if it was someone in the house, like Bailey, you know, like whatever.

Speaker 1:
[30:31] Not that shocking. It would literally be as if he were with Page.

Speaker 2:
[30:35] Yeah, the bar is extremely low for him. And he so met up, went even lower than any of us could have decided. So nothing about what West has done is that shocking.

Speaker 1:
[30:44] Even if he was someone in the house, it would have been really shocking. But like, you know, we could, we could deal with it. We could wrap our head around it.

Speaker 2:
[30:52] Someone could hypothetically, let's say it was Bailey. I think that's a good example. We would have been able to like sort of defend her. And it's like, yeah, it's unfortunate for Ciara, but like, you don't know Ciara. You like this guy. Like sure, you're brought into this house. This is just, just indefensible.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] It's the betrayal from Amanda. That's the most shocking thing.

Speaker 2:
[31:12] And I know that people like to be like, well, we should be giving them equal hate, West and Amanda. Like why does the woman get more hate? Well, cause the woman did something worse.

Speaker 1:
[31:21] Yeah. Yes. I would agree with that. Except in this article, they, they like, they said it was akin to like, if Selena Gomez left Benny Blanco and started dating Travis Kelsey. Like, no, it's not.

Speaker 2:
[31:34] Wait, let me think. If Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco got divorced, no, no, because they're actively together and started dating Joe Alwyn.

Speaker 1:
[31:42] Yeah. Yeah, that's a better, they were together for six years. Like, and they also said it's like Leah Remini dating Ben Affleck.

Speaker 2:
[31:49] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[31:49] That's her ex-husband.

Speaker 2:
[31:50] Mattie Healy. Mattie Healy.

Speaker 1:
[31:51] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[31:51] Yeah, this is a good example. Selena Gomez divorces Benny Blanco and starts dating Mattie Healy.

Speaker 1:
[31:55] Okay. Mattie Healy was like a decade long.

Speaker 2:
[31:57] But also Taylor is in a very happy relationship. Ciara and Amanda were not. So it's like, no, it's not, it's not a perfect.

Speaker 1:
[32:07] Yeah. No, it's not perfect. I just thought that that was like such a miss from them. Leah Remini dating Ben Affleck. Ben and Jen were married.

Speaker 2:
[32:17] And also I think like Leah Remini and JLo.

Speaker 1:
[32:19] I think they're just trying to like explain it for people who don't know the situation. It would be like that, but it's actually not like that.

Speaker 2:
[32:25] But the reason why this is so crazy is because you actually can't compare it to anything. You can't even compare it to Sandoval. Like you just can't.

Speaker 1:
[32:30] It's the best and it's the best friendship. That's the betrayal more so than the like whoever the guy was.

Speaker 2:
[32:36] I'm surprised she didn't do like a podcast or something because like I feel like you really get to say your piece more. Although what I got from this article is that she doesn't really have anything to say. Like what it's all already been said. It's going to be said at the reunion.

Speaker 1:
[32:48] Mostly like for the team, it's going to be said at the reunion. They asked her like, have you spoken to what was your last conversation with Amanda like? She was like it was very minimal, but we'll discuss that at the reunion.

Speaker 2:
[32:58] So like, yeah, well, I think that she whatever press she does now. And this goes for everyone when their season is airing. You do have to get your press approved by Bravo. You go on a podcast, if you go do an interview. So this was sanctioned by Bravo. Sometimes people go rogue and the network gets really mad.

Speaker 1:
[33:13] Yeah, so there's not a lot of like information in here or tea or anything. It's more so just like a major moment. No, and like a major moment for her. And it's like about like uplifting her and like the pictures are beautiful. And it's just like, here I am. This is my first statement. I feel exactly as how you would expect. And I'm, you know, I'm back.

Speaker 2:
[33:36] Yeah, I don't think it was meant to sort of shatter anything that's going to be told to us at the reunion, which I believe I've heard films next week.

Speaker 1:
[33:44] And Andy was on Radio Andy making some news. Couple things, couple things he said. He said, one, this idea that the reunion is being filmed separately and like Wes and Amanda are going to film a separate segment. Not true. Everyone's sitting together.

Speaker 2:
[33:55] Good.

Speaker 1:
[33:56] Two, they are currently cutting and re-editing episodes. And I do think he didn't say last week's was edited, but he does say next week's is crazy. I think next week's is confirmed edited. But I think last week's was edited not only because of like the sitting on when Wes sits on you as a crush on you, Ciara looks weird.

Speaker 2:
[34:12] Sabrina.

Speaker 1:
[34:13] Sabrina, someone said, I think it was Jesse said in a confessional where he looks different and new, he said that Wes, the way he's like moving in his relationships, like he's just going to end up like Kyle. And he was the first time anyone compared Wes to Kyle. In the beginning of the season, the first time since I did it.

Speaker 2:
[34:33] I saw people putting this out on TikTok. They have been teasing this like big fight between Carl and Kyle in the driveway. And then they stopped teasing it. And it's like, it doesn't happen. It happened in the earlier episodes. They kept teasing this like big blowout fight. And now it's almost like they decided it's not happening. So yes, they definitely are editing.

Speaker 1:
[34:54] Wait, it's not happening? Why isn't it happening?

Speaker 2:
[34:57] Because they just have sort of dropped it from existence. It hasn't been promoted. It might have already happened, like it's gone.

Speaker 1:
[35:02] Allegedly. There's no way.

Speaker 2:
[35:05] Maybe there is no fight.

Speaker 1:
[35:07] No, there is a fight. I don't know why they would have to cut that. And also like, this is what bothers me because it's like, okay, so Amanda was this villainous person for the second half of the season and they weren't gonna show us that because they were telling a different story. And if she hadn't hooked up with West, we would have seen one version of the show. And now that she did-

Speaker 2:
[35:25] Where Kyle's a villain and she's some big victim.

Speaker 1:
[35:27] We're seeing a different version of the show. And it's like, just give us the fucking truth and let us make up our minds. You don't have to push us in one direction. And you certainly don't have to make it worse for Amanda and pepper it with things that are gonna make it worse for and make people think that they started having a fair this summer, which I know I'm naive and I do give people a benefit of the doubt, but I don't think that they were.

Speaker 2:
[35:47] I don't think that they were either.

Speaker 1:
[35:49] Yeah, but I feel like that's kind of what they are sort of sprinkling around.

Speaker 2:
[35:55] Yeah, just cause they wanna rile up their crazy fans. I don't think that-

Speaker 1:
[35:59] That's really irresponsible. I just wanna say, no one's crazier than the Bravo fans, and they don't even need riling up, so really, you don't have to do that.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] But Andy did say on Radio Andy, and it's giving Alan Cummings saying that episode of Traders is the craziest episode of TV he's ever seen in his whole life when it was extremely mid. But Andy did say that next week's Summer House is just fucking crazy. I do believe him. Andy doesn't say that a lot.

Speaker 1:
[36:19] Yeah, but how can it, what's even gonna happen? If you think about where we're at in the show, I think West and Ciara have a conversation.

Speaker 2:
[36:28] Maybe there's a big thing with West and Amanda. Like maybe, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[36:33] And Kyle and Amanda continue to suck. Where we're at in the story, we're not really primed for a crazy weekend.

Speaker 2:
[36:40] Well, we'll just have to see.

Speaker 1:
[36:42] Yeah. So that's the latest Summer House. Next up, going back to previous discussion, Alex Cooper will make her acting debut alongside Anne Hathaway in new Colleen Hoover adaptation Verity. So at CinemaCon on Wednesday, Amazon MGM Studios unveiled its first look at Verity, the film adaptation of Colleen Hoover's psychological thriller, which features a scene with Alex Cooper. According to Deadline, the trailer opens with Alex Cooper playing herself, interviewing Anne Hathaway's character, renowned author Verity Crawford on her hit podcast, Call Her Daddy.

Speaker 2:
[37:15] Before she goes mute?

Speaker 1:
[37:17] I guess so, yeah. Or is it the end of the story? You know, she's at the end telling the story and then will go back.

Speaker 2:
[37:26] Oh, yeah, maybe. So, this is where Alex Cooper is falling into a little bit of the James Corden trope, where like, you know, you're getting every gig because you are well liked by people, so much so that the great John Mulaney once said, I'll always bring it back. Likeability is a prison. And there's really only one place to go when people like you and that's to just like truly cancel station. And so, honestly, this is such a sleigh on her behalf. Outside of this big drama that's going on right now, this is really cool for her. And people are like, you know, in the comments like, enough with her, enough. But it's like, sleigh, you would do it too for a check.

Speaker 1:
[38:00] Not even for a check, I do it for free.

Speaker 2:
[38:02] A thousand percent.

Speaker 1:
[38:03] Like, I don't think it's about money, it's just like ubiquity. And like that's cool. Very, yeah, I guess the timing like is a little, I see with the announcement, because people aren't gonna be like all for it because they're just in the hateful mood right now.

Speaker 2:
[38:18] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[38:19] But I think this is objectively very cool.

Speaker 2:
[38:22] Agreed. It's great for podcasting. Can't wait for my close up.

Speaker 1:
[38:28] And Verity Crawford would go on Call Her Daddy to tell her story.

Speaker 2:
[38:32] Yes she would.

Speaker 1:
[38:34] Right.

Speaker 2:
[38:34] Or like Mel Robbins.

Speaker 1:
[38:36] No, not to tell her story.

Speaker 2:
[38:38] No, no, let me think.

Speaker 1:
[38:38] Where would, I guess like, where would an author go to tell their story? The Redheads.

Speaker 2:
[38:44] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[38:44] It should have opened up with you. It should have been you. It should have been me on The Redheads.

Speaker 2:
[38:49] You and Dana and Rebecca and Marco. I just want to say I would be so upset. Like I would be so upset.

Speaker 1:
[38:56] Imagine like The Redheads got like a huge moment.

Speaker 2:
[38:59] Cause you know, I'm kind of gunning for a seat.

Speaker 1:
[39:01] I know you are. I feel like I said, talk to Marco. Have you ever spoken to her about it?

Speaker 2:
[39:06] She's coming over for dinner tonight. I'll make sure to bring it up in a sort of tense and awkward way.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] Make her like a nice dinner and sort of buttercrab. Maybe buy her out.

Speaker 2:
[39:14] Okay. I'll offer her $4.

Speaker 1:
[39:16] That's so rude. We do ads.

Speaker 2:
[39:19] No, no. I wasn't saying that as a reflection on the worth of the redheads. I was just saying, I'm willing to pay.

Speaker 1:
[39:23] It sounded like a reflection on the worth of the redheads.

Speaker 2:
[39:25] It sounded like you said we're broke. It sounded like you said we're broke. Well, you are.

Speaker 1:
[39:30] We're not. We have a heavily anticipated next merch collection. Whenever I decide to drop that, that will be a million dollar endeavor. Seven figures, spring, summer chockers.

Speaker 2:
[39:41] Seven off, seven attorneys, big business deals.

Speaker 1:
[39:44] It's going to be a seven figure collection. We'll call it that.

Speaker 2:
[39:48] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[39:49] So that is cool. You know what I was thinking about though? And it's like all this Licks vs Lex stuff. And I do feel like Alex Cooper like doesn't ever stop to explain herself. I would like an understanding of like why Dakota is on Unwell Winter Games and like how we're sort of swallowing that pill as a woman-woman.

Speaker 2:
[40:10] She's definitely like in a weird transitional period. And like, yeah, do a solo episode and tell us why.

Speaker 1:
[40:15] Yeah, like stand up for your choice, you know? Because I just feel like...

Speaker 2:
[40:19] Yeah, but that's what I was saying the other day. Like she does not share anything personal, whether that's even her business. She is just a vessel to create content around other people that used to be like actors and actresses. And now it's like more so reality stars. So that's why the whole thing is so shocking, because I don't think she's ever even literally sat down and talked to us on Instagram about something that's going on in her life. It's always promoting a business or talking about somebody else or an episode. Like that's why this is so shocking. It's the first time she's ever like since leaving Sophia, like opened up personally. She does solo episodes every now and then being like, you know, Matt and I did this. Like it's never really that deep.

Speaker 1:
[40:58] Maybe it's because she's kind of like blameless in the situation.

Speaker 2:
[41:02] Well, she has to think she really did nothing wrong in order to open this up.

Speaker 1:
[41:05] Yeah, because like I feel like she doesn't answer for a lot of these other things because there's really like not a good way to spin it.

Speaker 2:
[41:10] Yeah, she doesn't ever. I think one of her big no-goes when she goes on podcasts, but she doesn't do a lot is like people are not allowed to ask her about the Sophia Franklin and that's because like if you were to critically look at it, like she did play a large part and she had wrongdoings, right? But with this, I feel like she really doesn't think she did anything wrong. So unless Alex Earl has some big secret, I don't know what it's going to be.

Speaker 1:
[41:31] Yeah, me neither. Are you ready?

Speaker 2:
[41:35] Even though I did recently see like a mashup and I know I hate when people like go back and look at stuff being like this was weird because at the time everybody ate it up. But the list of questions that she was asked, Alex Earl, that she was asked by Alex Cooper on their inaugural episode together where they're sitting on those inflatable chairs sitting on her balcony, how many guys have you fucked? When did you lose your virginity? Do you ever have anal? What kind of porn do you like? Like fucking crazy for a college aged girl. So I hate when people like look back. I remember, I just want to say, I feel good enough to know that like, I remember at the time thinking it was weird. And I think I even said on the show, like that some of the questions were so crazy, like anal.

Speaker 1:
[42:12] I remember watching it and being really shocked by it, like jaw on the floor.

Speaker 2:
[42:16] But this was getting the culture.

Speaker 1:
[42:19] Right, but I didn't eat it up. So like I feel comfortable saying I'd never thought that that sort of questions were really appropriate or really amazing for women, you know?

Speaker 2:
[42:28] Yeah, yeah, but you would have been like such a hater if you said it at the time.

Speaker 1:
[42:31] Yeah, maybe I just said nothing. I don't remember what I said. But yeah, again, if you ate it up, then shut the fuck up now.

Speaker 2:
[42:42] Put it on a shirt. I love that.

Speaker 1:
[42:47] That's really like the moral of the story.

Speaker 2:
[42:49] That's what like with Amanda too. You were all eating it up. Like it's not even about Alex specifically. It's this is such a thing with like group think on the internet. Like you ate it up then, but you like hate it now. Shut the fuck up. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:03] If you ate it up, then shut the fuck up now. Yeah, love.

Speaker 1:
[43:07] Are you ready for our next story?

Speaker 2:
[43:09] What number?

Speaker 1:
[43:10] Number three.

Speaker 2:
[43:12] Oh, wow. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Yeah. Might be a four story day.

Speaker 2:
[43:15] No, no, we can't. We have like a built in ad break. Like keep going.

Speaker 1:
[43:18] Victoria Beckham is teaming up with Gap on a new collection. So Victoria Beckham X Gap collection is fully in the work. Sources confirmed to Page Six that she is ready to share her ready to wear minimalist luxury brand to collaborate with the retailer and an announcement is expected soon.

Speaker 2:
[43:35] I love, I fucking love a diffusion line. Like they don't do it enough. I feel like H&M had a couple of years where they were doing it. Remember H&M is Belmorent. Like you could, the stories weren't saying.

Speaker 1:
[43:44] H&M Moschino?

Speaker 2:
[43:46] No, remember, remember Sony for Target?

Speaker 1:
[43:48] Oh, that was like the first one. They really, they did it big.

Speaker 2:
[43:50] They sold a bike. Do you remember the bike? That was a cultural reset. I fucking love when people do this. It's not done enough. I love Victoria Beckham. Her dresses are insanely priced. Like this is, this is what we want. This is what we want.

Speaker 1:
[44:03] Yeah, I think it's gonna be great. Like basics from like an elevated woman with an immaculate taste, thanks.

Speaker 2:
[44:08] No, this is great for Victoria. Like, cause you know, there's not a lot of money in like dressing, you know, they say you dress for the masses, dine with the classes or design for the masses, eat with the classes. So this is where the money's at. I think this will do really well for her financially.

Speaker 1:
[44:22] But she's doing well financially also cause she's pivoted to beauty a lot. And like makeup is just really profitable.

Speaker 2:
[44:28] And I think makeup, her makeup, I know it's like a little popular here. I think it's really popular in the UK.

Speaker 1:
[44:32] I use her eyeliner. I bought her like white eyeliner. I like it.

Speaker 2:
[44:36] Like I keep like meaning to get stuff from her, but like it hasn't, did it sell at Sephora?

Speaker 1:
[44:40] Well, I got targeted ads and so I bought it through Instagram, but then they stopped, maybe they like, you know, decreased their paid media spend because I've stopped getting ads.

Speaker 2:
[44:50] Yeah, I just feel like if your makeup doesn't sell at Sephora, I'm going to have a really hard time acquiring it.

Speaker 1:
[44:55] I didn't have a hard time. I had a pleasant experience. And then I got the posh balm.

Speaker 2:
[45:01] Sorry, I meant I'm going to have a hard time like finding the will to go acquire it.

Speaker 1:
[45:04] So yeah, I guess I disagree.

Speaker 2:
[45:07] I love Victoria. Of course you do. I love Victoria Beckham for Gap. I just love this. I didn't even, I'm much like Cynthia Riebo. I didn't know this was happening.

Speaker 1:
[45:15] It hasn't been fully announced yet, but that's just a little insider information.

Speaker 2:
[45:19] And I want like more people to do this. Like Rachel Zoe, her shit's at TJ Maxx. Like Ruby exclusively wears TJ Maxx, Rachel Zoe. I love this. I love it.

Speaker 1:
[45:27] Yeah. Are you ready for our fourth story?

Speaker 2:
[45:31] No.

Speaker 1:
[45:31] No, now she's not ready.

Speaker 2:
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[45:37] It is.

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Speaker 1:
[49:31] Thank you TurroGum.

Speaker 2:
[49:32] You're welcome.

Speaker 1:
[49:33] I'm gonna start a spite brand called TurroGum.

Speaker 2:
[49:36] That's beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[49:38] Our next story, Meghan Trainor is canceling her tour. Meghan Trainor put out a statement saying, after a lot of reflection and some really tough conversations, I've made the difficult decision to cancel the Get In Girl Tour. Balancing the release of a new album, preparing for a nationwide tour and welcoming our new baby girl tour growing family of five has just been more than I can take on right now. And I needed to be home and present for each and all of them at this time. I know this will come as a disappointment to my fans and I'm so sorry to let you down, but I know this is the right decision for my family and me right now. I promise I'll be back soon and I can't wait for you to hear this new record. I'm so proud of it and I'm endlessly grateful for your love and support always.

Speaker 2:
[50:12] Like not to be a bitch.

Speaker 1:
[50:13] I know what you're gonna say.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] Like people don't cancel successful tours. Just saying. It's giving low ticket sales. And yes, I think everything in there is true. I think like she was feeling overwhelmed. She does have a new baby. And then that on top of like you have to go do a tour that's not even doing well. But I think if the tour was majorly successful in terms of ticket sales and she had all this on her plate, she would just still sort of have to do it. Right? No?

Speaker 1:
[50:35] I, I'm gonna believe her. Like first of all, I saw a lot of her old tour content. I don't know why I'm not like a Meghan Trainor girl. So I actually think like she has tour shtick and she's like perfect for a tour. Her songs are fun and like, I don't think she like bites off more than she can chew in terms of like venue sizes. Like I think she like knows what sort of tour she can sell. And I think she's become like a new mama of three. And so she's in like the same position I am right now. And anything that she thought she could do, she probably can't do. And I can understand how like you could have a tour and then be like, oh, just do the show. Like, you know, just push it. No, if I like, I would, we're canceling, we're clearing the decks.

Speaker 2:
[51:11] So I might agree with you if at present moment, she was very culturally relevant and her music was popping off. I think a lot of her success is predicated on the algorithm, right? Like she is somebody who has been, you know, rebuilt time after time. She's come back from oblivion. People thought she was a one hit wonder. TikTok has been hugely instrumental in her comeback. And I think her last comeback, which was, I could have my Gucci on Gucci on, launched this huge, like, no, not catastrophic, like in a good way, like huge.

Speaker 1:
[51:42] Yeah, with like resurgence for her. Sometimes you only need to say one word.

Speaker 2:
[51:45] Yes, agree.

Speaker 1:
[51:45] Why is it that we have to say two or three words?

Speaker 2:
[51:48] Thank you. I think it launched this huge comeback for her, resurgence, a whole new generation of fans. People were obsessed with her TikTok, TikTok, TikTok. Her last tour was pretty successful. She was doing big arenas. And I just think that when your whole like fan base just predicated on the algorithm and what TikTok will do for you, it's not 100% sustainable. So I actually just, I do think it was unsuccessful ticket sales and there's no shame in that.

Speaker 1:
[52:11] Looking at this calendar as a mother of three smalls, this could never happen. This could never be done. Even if all the tickets sold, like how is she gonna do this?

Speaker 2:
[52:25] I'm not buying it.

Speaker 1:
[52:26] It's not possible. But I mean, she definitely bit off more than she could chew in terms of that, but I guess she thought she'd be able to and also like she had her third via surrogacy, so maybe she didn't expect like she'd have to bounce back. She thought she would have like an easier time. You're not like struggling with postpartum. And sure, I could like run out and do a show, but like it's not even like the postpartum.

Speaker 2:
[52:44] I don't want to.

Speaker 1:
[52:45] The postpartum is a whole other beast, but it's just like the having of three littles. I'm sorry. Like you need a new team if you thought you could do this.

Speaker 2:
[52:54] Well, I just want to say, I really respect you for your take because even though I don't agree with it, I respect your opinions and how your life experience is coloring those opinions. While I don't agree with this take of yours, I do it in a respectful way.

Speaker 1:
[53:10] I feel like unless you're the mother of three smalls right now, and if you are, you see this and you're like, oh, of course she couldn't do it. If you're not, then you probably, maybe she didn't have amazing ticket sales, maybe if every ticket was sold, she would have thrown herself into it. She would have had to. Had a really hard time, but like just cancel, you know, you could always just cancel. It's just this concert, even if someone bought a ticket, like they'll get a refund. It's just a concert.

Speaker 2:
[53:36] Just cancel. I love canceling. I think that people don't cancel enough. And yeah, barring like, you know, Adele doing it the day of and everybody flew in.

Speaker 1:
[53:44] They were on the plane and they got the set.

Speaker 2:
[53:46] Or like Morgan Wallen. People are literally walking into the stadium. Yeah. Giving people advance notice, making sure they can get their money back. I like cancel more stuff this year. I just wish more people would cancel.

Speaker 1:
[53:56] And don't worry about your career is not over. It's fine. You have to live, you know?

Speaker 2:
[54:05] You have to prioritize Meg's self.

Speaker 1:
[54:07] This could never happen. I don't know why she ever thought it could, but sometimes you do that.

Speaker 2:
[54:13] That happens all the time. You think you could do something.

Speaker 1:
[54:15] Iconopop was going to open. That's kind of cool.

Speaker 2:
[54:18] I don't care. I know it.

Speaker 1:
[54:25] I need to go see Meghan Trainor on tour. Now I can't.

Speaker 2:
[54:27] You do.

Speaker 1:
[54:28] Now I can't. Was she coming to my city?

Speaker 2:
[54:31] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] No, she wasn't coming to Florida at all. No, she was going to Orlando.

Speaker 2:
[54:37] They always are.

Speaker 1:
[54:39] They always are.

Speaker 2:
[54:42] Okay. Get in girl.

Speaker 1:
[54:44] Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Oh, is that the song? Get In Girl?

Speaker 2:
[54:48] Get in girl, get in girl.

Speaker 1:
[54:50] I have the new song of hers that I know is, my love's gonna take you to the moon.

Speaker 2:
[54:55] Yeah, that was like two years ago. Moon.

Speaker 1:
[54:57] And then she also has a song with Me Be Web. Cute.

Speaker 2:
[55:01] Yes, she does.

Speaker 1:
[55:01] Yeah, it's pretty good. She's around.

Speaker 2:
[55:04] Yeah. She makes it work.

Speaker 1:
[55:06] She makes it work.

Speaker 2:
[55:06] She's married to Junie Cortez.

Speaker 1:
[55:08] She makes a living.

Speaker 2:
[55:10] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[55:10] A good one.

Speaker 2:
[55:12] And probably my favorite Meghan Trainor fact is that it's actually her voice on the JLo song Ain't Your Mama. Like that's my favorite.

Speaker 1:
[55:18] Yeah, that's like going viral now.

Speaker 2:
[55:20] It's, it goes viral every couple of years because it is the craziest thing that Jennifer Lopez like literally released a song under her name and didn't change. I think Meghan Trainor wrote the song and probably sent the demo off to JLo and like maybe JLo sang a couple of lines, but for the most part, it's Meghan Trainor.

Speaker 1:
[55:34] Well, you know, NT, like the theory that I sort of like moved on from, but. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:39] One of the biggest like blind conspiracy theories is that Jennifer Lopez cannot sing for shit and has never once sang on any of her records. Back in the day, they think it was Aliyah's voice. Like there have been many people who have Julia Michaels, Meghan Trainor, many people who, whose voice is used for, I think with the invention of AI, Jennifer Lopez no longer needs a stand in.

Speaker 1:
[55:59] Yeah, but then, so I always believe that. And I just was like, she doesn't sing, she can't sing. Like it's like the big orchestrated thing and like, but then we saw her perform at the Robin Hood Gala live. And I was like, oh, she's singing. Okay, nevermind.

Speaker 2:
[56:15] Yeah, she did release this video.

Speaker 1:
[56:17] And I'm sorry, like someone who can sing, like doesn't get this Super Bowl, like they could choose anyone else, not the one who's like hiding this big secret.

Speaker 2:
[56:25] So she put a video on her Instagram, this video. I will never forget this video. Oh, the iconic, Happy Days. It's like one of the hardest songs to sing. And it's sung by Barbara Streisand, no. It's sung by like two iconic theater people. They did it in Glee, Curt and Rachel. Like people eat it up. She like is singing with her turnt friend and put it on her Instagram. And it's like literally so bad.

Speaker 1:
[56:49] Jennifer Lopez.

Speaker 2:
[56:50] Yeah. Ready? Okay, it's actually good to take it back.

Speaker 1:
[57:05] Okay, it's just a lot, like it's annoying.

Speaker 2:
[57:07] And I wish you could see it.

Speaker 1:
[57:09] It's a lot of, it's a lot. And I just...

Speaker 2:
[57:25] They're off tune.

Speaker 1:
[57:26] Is that Jennifer? So she sings.

Speaker 2:
[57:31] It's not bad. I just want to say it's one of the hardest songs ever to sing.

Speaker 1:
[57:36] She sings, so it's not bad. It's just like a lot, like it's annoying. And also- And also, like, Jennifer Lopez and Showtunes, it's like oil and water.

Speaker 2:
[57:49] Agreed.

Speaker 1:
[57:50] They don't mix.

Speaker 2:
[57:51] Agreed.

Speaker 1:
[57:52] I don't want to hear her singing Showtunes.

Speaker 2:
[57:55] I like that.

Speaker 1:
[57:57] That was, oh, our fifth and final story.

Speaker 2:
[57:59] Does this episode ever end?

Speaker 1:
[58:03] I just feel like every story is like, Right.

Speaker 2:
[58:05] Very fifth and final.

Speaker 1:
[58:06] And we still have like, it's cause I have like a tab here for Beverly Hills. Like we're still not on that fucking tab.

Speaker 2:
[58:12] Oh God, I forgot we still have to recap.

Speaker 1:
[58:14] Beverly Hills recap. But no, this is a small story and it sort of relates back to our favorite subject. But Braxton Berrios was spotted with a new lady in love.

Speaker 2:
[58:20] I saw. They don't know who she is, right?

Speaker 1:
[58:22] Her name is Holly Ford.

Speaker 2:
[58:25] What a great name.

Speaker 1:
[58:26] Yeah, she's a model and she's gorgeous. And I'm just like mad at Braxton because like, it's just rude, you know? Like Alex still loves you and you're like out here with Holly Ford looking so fucking happy. Like stop.

Speaker 2:
[58:36] And like, I know that Alex broke up with you, broke your heart, left you to die on the side of the road, but like, go back. I do feel like I was thinking about him this morning. I feel like Alex and him need to get back together. And especially at a time like this, I know she's a really good support system around her. Like she's really great friends and really great family. But I think she needs Braxton.

Speaker 1:
[58:56] I don't think she left him on the side of the road like that.

Speaker 2:
[58:58] No, I was totally kidding. I was kidding.

Speaker 1:
[59:00] I feel like they just didn't, you know, I think they were probably like bigger things, like cities living in, maybe like he wants to like settle down sooner than she does. And I just think like life came between them, like not anything based on how they feel.

Speaker 2:
[59:15] Yeah, he was a nice boy.

Speaker 1:
[59:16] Yeah. And so like, yeah, he deserves love too. And he seems to be like a serial monogamous, like just wants love with beautiful, he wants to love beautiful women. Like he's a lover of women, you know?

Speaker 2:
[59:27] I love that.

Speaker 1:
[59:28] And it seems like they're all like very premium women, like Holly's gorgeous, Alex, Sophia Colfoe, like he's got great taste in women, you know?

Speaker 2:
[59:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:39] What can you do? I don't like it. Even though there's nothing wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with it.

Speaker 2:
[59:44] He has to move on.

Speaker 1:
[59:45] Yeah, no, he has to live. I just do it in private, you know?

Speaker 2:
[59:51] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[59:52] And he's in LA, like go back to Houston.

Speaker 2:
[59:55] Where you belong.

Speaker 1:
[59:57] It's like the season's over, but it's like, of course, you're like going to get seen in LA. Like you can date someone.

Speaker 2:
[60:02] No, and I saw he was also paparazzi, I think having coffee with the same girl and the paparazzi across the street was like, what do you know about Alex Cooper? He's like, leave me alone. So he likes being famous and he's mostly famous like not for his football accomplishments, but like for his social life. And he's like an investor in a lot of like big companies. So he likes that life. Of course he's in LA.

Speaker 1:
[60:26] Okay, Braxton.

Speaker 2:
[60:29] Okay Braxton.

Speaker 1:
[60:32] Next up TV recap Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. Was that the season finale? Yes.

Speaker 2:
[60:36] No, was it?

Speaker 1:
[60:37] Yeah, because it said next week at the reunion.

Speaker 2:
[60:39] Oh good.

Speaker 1:
[60:40] And they did the text on screen at the end.

Speaker 2:
[60:42] Oh my God. Did I finish the episode?

Speaker 1:
[60:45] It ended with like one last fight between Doreen Sutton.

Speaker 2:
[60:49] Oh my God, wait, I didn't finish the episode. I saw her get up after the conversation with Erika and then Ben came in. Did we go to bed? Oh man, I didn't finish it.

Speaker 1:
[60:58] Let me tell you, you think the episode's over, text on screen's coming up, Doreen gets up from the conversation, everyone sort of parting ways, and then she goes upstairs to sit on another couch with bows and Sutton meanders over and is like, you really hurt my feelings the other day.

Speaker 2:
[61:13] Oh my God, Sutton, like let the mouse go.

Speaker 1:
[61:16] And Doreen is like, I hurt your feelings, I'm very sorry. She's like, look, you don't even seem sorry. And Doreen's like, what do you want me to do to prove that I'm sorry to you? And the thing is Doreen won't say sorry to Erica, she won't say sorry to Kyle. Like she's goading toe to toe, but Sutton said she hurt her feelings, and Doreen's like, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:
[61:33] And by the way, I'm having deja vu because the week before, it's been the same conversation where Doreen said she was sorry.

Speaker 1:
[61:38] She goes back to have a conversation, Doreen said, you hurt my feelings the other night. And Doreen again, I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You don't seem sorry. And they just blow up out of nowhere and they go back to like text on screen.

Speaker 2:
[61:52] The thing is, is that I'm like a diehard Doreen fan and I've loved Erika the whole time she's been on the show. She's really pissing me off. And it's not that Doreen hasn't done anything that I like. She's not indefensible. No, but that's what I'm looking for. She's not innocent in all of this, right? There are legitimate qualms. And I do feel like Erika has legitimate concerns for her. But doing it with Kyle, you're just giving Mean Girl. Kyle is obsessed with Doreen and obsessed with coming from a place of concern, even though she is so not coming from a genuine place. And I'm sorry, Erika really lost me when she said like, well, maybe PK was right. Kyle said that last season or the season before. I think it's so disgusting. Imagine if somebody said that about like Tom. I just, like you lost me completely. And yeah, whatever Doreen has done, she is late. And maybe she's been like short and sharp. Sure, like we could have had it out in a civil way, but Erika went about it the wrong way doing it with Kyle because Kyle is a bad mother faith actor. And then saying the thing about PK. And Kyle's been a bad faith actor for like three years, mind you.

Speaker 1:
[62:51] No, and Doreen clocked her when Kyle's listing off all the nice things she's done for her over the years, which yeah, you used to be a good friend. Three years ago. What have you done kindly for me since? When have you supported me since? Kyle and Doreen for me, I don't even see why they would need to be friends at this point. Like there's nothing really to salvage there. It is such a shame with Erika and Doreen because they like did have a real friendship and the fact that it could just turn so quickly. And I understand like Doreen took it to here in Italy, but like so did Erika. So they both need to like forgive each other and apologize to each other. It's not one of them who did something more wrong. And I imagine Doreen is such a frustrating, like not a fun person to be friends with right now. She is frantic, she is late, she is stressed, she's overwhelmed. But like that's the point of friendship is like, if you can't be a friend when it's hard to be a friend, like anyone can be a friend when it's easy.

Speaker 2:
[63:38] Doreen and Kyle will never be friends. They're so far from one another. I do think that Doreen and Erica is a friendship worth saving and that there's a lot of miscommunications happening. But as long as Erica keeps operating like under Kyle's thumb, and like also in defense of Kyle, if she can't separate her friendship with Doreen from the three of them, it's never gonna work.

Speaker 1:
[64:00] Yeah, and I wanna give Erica more credit, not that she's operating under Kyle's thumb, because I really don't think she can be like managed. But I think that she should recognize that she should take up her beef with Doreen separately from Kyle, like not be on a walk the three of them and be on Kyle's side. Like it's never gonna end well because Kyle and Doreen aren't gonna end well. So like she needs to not be backing up Kyle, just have like her own separate grievances. And cause the way that she's airing them, like it is a gang up.

Speaker 2:
[64:31] Yeah. And then like just Kyle's so desperate to make it all. Like we all think this, all we all we all and nobody speaks up on her behalf. Like and she's like screaming at everyone. It's so desperate. She's obsessed with like getting everyone to turn on Doreen and it's just not happening. It worked on Erica though.

Speaker 1:
[64:48] Yeah. And then also Kyle's like, will someone speak up? And then Erica's like agreed and then sudden agrees. Like sudden is the biggest follower. It's the craziest thing. I just want to give MVP like not of the season, but just wow, major congratulations to Amanda Francis who turned it out. She turned it around. I thought her reasoning for going to Doreen's event was so genuine. And like that's what we're always saying, like women who support other women. And it's like, if you don't actually support another woman, if you if you're worried about her finances, but you won't actually support her endeavors and trying to make money, like, are you really worried about her finances? And I thought that Doreen's book party was going to be like, like kind of sad because who has a cover party for like a book they haven't written yet?

Speaker 2:
[65:31] And half the castmates don't show up.

Speaker 1:
[65:33] And you just like are unveiling a picture. But it was so full of love and purpose and meaning. And I was so not expecting that. And then to make it a celebration of Bose's engagement and the girls that were there were really there for her. And it did turn into be like a big moment in the season. And like, I now want to, now I see like what supporting Doreen's book will mean for Doreen. I will be ordering Doreen's book.

Speaker 2:
[65:55] I also, just one thing with Amanda, I completely agree. I still think she's like miscast and whatever, but I do think she turned it around. And there is something about walking the walk and talking the talk and that's exactly what she did. I just want Doreen to be like a little bit more grateful. Like I thought they had a nice moment, but it would have, I think went a long way with Amanda, just to be like, you know, outwardly grateful. And she was like nodding and smiling and it was nice, but I think she should have been like a little bit more like charismatic.

Speaker 1:
[66:20] Yes. I think that the way that we watched it as viewers, the way it was packaged to us made us realize how Amanda was like going out of her comfort zone to do this. Whereas Dorit might have thought like the whole cast was going to come. And now these people who have like long standing issues with her aren't coming. But like, why would Amanda Francis miss a cast event? Not realizing. And I think maybe I'm going to give her credit that when she watches the episode, that she will have more of an appreciation for like her line of thinking.

Speaker 2:
[66:49] That's a good analysis.

Speaker 1:
[66:51] Because she probably just expected Amanda to show up just like she shows up.

Speaker 2:
[66:55] She has to show up for her job.

Speaker 1:
[66:57] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:57] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. It was sweet.

Speaker 1:
[67:00] It was sweet. And I thought that was like a really sweet moment and episode.

Speaker 2:
[67:04] I'm lit up for the reunion. I know it's been a boring season, but like I'm down.

Speaker 1:
[67:07] Yeah. I know it hasn't been more exciting. I just like the girls. I don't need them to always be popping off. It's been like a little frustrating, but I've enjoyed, you know, watching the Glitz and the Glam and Rachel and Kathy.

Speaker 2:
[67:19] Bring Denise back.

Speaker 1:
[67:20] Bring Denise back. Erica's saying bring Lisa Rinna back.

Speaker 2:
[67:26] Bring Lisa Rinna back, even though I don't think at this point she would.

Speaker 1:
[67:28] Really? Why?

Speaker 2:
[67:30] Cause right now she's having like a big moment and I don't think she needs housewives. Maybe there were years where like if they would have asked, she would have come back. But right now she's kind of riding a high from traders. Her book did really, really well. I think she's like big in fashion. She has to admit it's couture, couture honey. And I think right now she doesn't need it.

Speaker 1:
[67:45] But that's not going to last. And she knows that better than anyone.

Speaker 2:
[67:48] Maybe the next time they reach out, she'll be in a place where like she should accept it. But I don't think she needs to right now. Even though I would love to have her back.

Speaker 1:
[67:54] She doesn't need, but like I think she'd be coming back in a position of power. I think that if she had come back in the other years when she really needed to, like now she's coming back sort of on top of the world. Like she has a lot of fan love behind her. And her daughters are like so successful. She'd be coming back as like a big dog again.

Speaker 2:
[68:15] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[68:16] I think that she should. And I think that I'm ready to receive her. I'm ready to receive her.

Speaker 2:
[68:22] And there were many years where I wasn't.

Speaker 1:
[68:23] And I like need that for Dereed. I need all this pressure off of Dereed. And like it's all-

Speaker 2:
[68:27] What's Dereed is carrying this show.

Speaker 1:
[68:30] What's frustrating it's like it's the demise of her family that's carrying the show. It's not even like she's in there stirring the pot. It's like, it's such like a real thing. It's almost not fun to watch cause you just know like what's coming for her. And I hate that it's like the central drama of the show because it's not a fun drama.

Speaker 2:
[68:49] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[68:50] It's not like tea and what not.

Speaker 2:
[68:54] I had a really hard time coming up with my Queenie and Weenie this week just cause like I haven't really made it to Cree on Licks Lex. So like maybe I could have made one of Alex's, my Weenie, one of the Queenie, but like I don't know where we're at yet.

Speaker 1:
[69:05] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[69:07] And that sort of took up my whole week. So I will say, let's do Queenie and Weenie, our final segment of the week where Jackie and I like to give out two awards, Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It's a great way to wrap up the week, send you guys off into the weekend, take a look back at a glance, if you will, and give out two awards, they're pretty self-explanatory, Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. If you acted like a Queenie, you might be Queenie, if you acted like a Weenie, you might be Weenie. Start with Queenie, I know we do it every week the same and I always forget.

Speaker 1:
[69:31] We always start with Queenie, yes.

Speaker 2:
[69:33] Okay, my Queenie is more of a thing, it's a noun, it's not a person, not a place, but it's a thing.

Speaker 1:
[69:40] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[69:41] And it's the leading news source for Alex v. Alex. I feel like we kind of carried the internet this week, just in being like the internet's big sister.

Speaker 1:
[69:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[69:48] And I feel like we gave a lot of really nuanced takes, we didn't like jump on the pile on, I feel like we're being very measured. And I just think the work that we did this week, if there was like a digital Pulitzer, like a Shorty Award, a Webby, I feel like what we did this week was spectacular. Honestly, I'm giving it to The Toast.

Speaker 1:
[70:04] I love that. I nominate, I'd like to thank me.

Speaker 2:
[70:09] Correct.

Speaker 1:
[70:10] What about me?

Speaker 2:
[70:13] Queenie?

Speaker 1:
[70:14] Queenie, I mean, how can I top that? What am I gonna say? What am I gonna say? Like, yes, of course. I know we only give it to ourselves sparingly, but like, I'll take it, you know?

Speaker 2:
[70:23] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[70:24] Weener. So many.

Speaker 2:
[70:28] I know, I actually have one, but it would start stuff.

Speaker 1:
[70:30] And I'm feeling like I don't. I can feel it.

Speaker 2:
[70:32] No, you don't.

Speaker 1:
[70:33] Yes, I do. I do know. I'm gonna text it to you.

Speaker 2:
[70:35] Do you really?

Speaker 1:
[70:36] Yeah, I think I can.

Speaker 2:
[70:36] If you guess it right, I'll share it.

Speaker 1:
[70:38] Oh, I love that for us. Wow, we haven't texted in a while. We haven't texted in a while.

Speaker 2:
[70:45] We're always like communicating in group chats.

Speaker 1:
[70:46] Okay, Texas.

Speaker 2:
[70:48] Texts and memes?

Speaker 1:
[70:50] Texts and memes. Okay, now I'm sending it to you.

Speaker 2:
[70:53] No jokes and memes? No, you got it wrong.

Speaker 1:
[70:55] Okay, tell me, but you don't have to say it now. I don't even know who that is. Yeah, you do.

Speaker 2:
[71:05] But I will not be saying it. So I'm abstaining from Weenie this week just because I'm seeing all the internet drama. I'm like, while I'm living for it, I don't want to be a part of it. So I'm not starting stuff.

Speaker 1:
[71:14] Okay, I think that's fine. I think it's fine. Do I have a Weenie? No.

Speaker 2:
[71:21] You have a vagina.

Speaker 1:
[71:27] Okay, let's-

Speaker 2:
[71:28] I don't believe in giving out Weenies super fluently. Then that's mean spirited.

Speaker 1:
[71:32] Agreed. And takes the power away from the title. Like if you weren't super Weenie.

Speaker 2:
[71:38] What a great week. Alex Earle, if you post your fucking response video in the next hour, I will seriously never forgive you. Save it till Sunday night at this point.

Speaker 1:
[71:46] Yeah, I don't think Sally would let her do that to us.

Speaker 2:
[71:49] Sally, yeah, Sally's sort of steering the ship, don't you feel?

Speaker 1:
[71:52] 1,000%, as she should.

Speaker 2:
[71:55] Thank you guys so much for listening to The Toast, the Monday morning show where we delve into the fast-paced and the slowest stories we can share. Please don't forget to subscribe, give us a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast, anywhere podcasts we can have. We are. Have an amazing weekend. We love you and we'll see you on Mondays.

Speaker 1:
[72:10] Love ya, bye.