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[00:01] My name is Donna Copas. I am Robby Ayyapia Tamponia. I am the white wolf woman of Asani descent. And I have the honor of being back on the show. I was on show number 480 and 488. And this is just kind of an update of the continuation of my life with the Watchers. I've been interacting with them since I was six years old, so I did a previous broadcast. So some new experiences I've had over the last year, I think it was probably around this timeframe there is from one show to the next. Again, I interact with the Watchers. I call them Watchers. I don't call them Bigfoot or Yeti or anything like that. I call them Watchers because they watch over us. And in our Shawnee legend, they are our protectors and I've been asked about why I say Watchers. There's a lot of different discussions on that terminology. But Watchers to us means they watch over us. It's not anything else. So, I do gifting for them. They interacted with my father and my grandmother before that. And all I can trace all the way back to the early 1800s of our family. And the Watchers being part of our family, I have letters from 1797, actually. So that's just kind of my dad was born in 1927 in an old cabin back in the woods under a mountain. And that's where he grew up at. And that was where he saw his first Watcher when he was around three. My grandmother before that was born mid 1800s. And again, she had the same interactions. My dad was a hunter, trapper, Doug Roots. So he spent a lot of time in the woods. And I grew up on a 300 acre farm. And that's where I was. I was in the woods all the time. Everything we needed came from that farm. Of course, the animals. We had an 11 acre berry patch. Orchards, everything we needed came from the land. So I didn't have TVs. And mine was my grandmother reading me books and telling me stories. And my playground was the woods. So my dad, you know, I was six the first time I saw, was actually digging reeds with my dad. And he taught me, you know, respect for the watchers and how to interact with them safely. Taught me, you know, they're not here to harm me and not that, you know, you always have to be cautious because they're not, they're not, you know, it's not like they're my playmates and I'm going to go out there and play ball with them or something like that. That's not the way it works. But they are there for a reason. So over the last year, again, I started doing this. I had not really shared any of my life experiences until a couple of years ago. And basically, I did that because I started, you know, I discussed it with my elders and started doing this just for educational purposes. Whether anybody believes, that's entirely up to them. I know what I know. I'm not a researcher. I don't have to prove anything because I know what I know. And this is, you know, that's just part of who I am. But with all the modern technology and all of our forests are being brought down. So the watchers, not only the watchers, but our other animals, our bear, you know, we got coyote, bear, bobcats, you know, the foxes, everything is coming out into populated areas. The cougars, you know, we have mountain lions, whatever. So it's getting more dangerous, you know, for the human population and for my watchers because the first thing, you know, people who who don't believe. And then all of a sudden, you got a huge figure standing in your yard and you got children. So it's going to terrify you. It's like, oh my God, what is that? What am I going to do? So I talked to a lot of people. It's like, oh, you're going to shoot them. I'm going to shoot them. But that's not what has to happen. You can live. I've lived my whole life peacefully, pretty much, and dad did, and my grandma did. So you can live together just like everybody can get along. I kind of explain it like you can have two neighbors, and on one side is the best neighbor ever was, will do anything for you, and you'll do it for me, and then on the other side, you have a neighbor that's not so good. So it's kind of like that with the watchers, you know, we get the rugs coming through, and which had that's what had happened to me. It's been a couple weeks ago. There's migration. I don't know what's going on at this time. There's been a lot more interactions and a lot more activity, you know, and I'm in southeastern Ohio. It seems like their new ones are moving in. And I mean, that happens periodically, you know, sometimes it's not real common, but we do have new ones that will come through. And of course, then there's a battle for each one of my watchers, or I call it their, have their own clans, their own family units. So when the new ones come in, there will be battles for the territory or for mates, or, you know, there's different things that can happen. And at this time of year, the young ones are being born and it's mating season. So just like any other animals, there's squabbles. And a couple of weeks ago, I have rules that I live by, but I do gifting. And I'm a widow, so I'm used to traveling. I go to the woods, I do 10-mile hikes. Sometimes I'll just hike back and I'll stay the night in my campsite or whatever. I always have. I'm not scared. I like the woods. I like being alone. And I don't feel scared because I know they're always there watching over me and protecting me. But on this night, it was a couple of weeks ago, and it's warming up. Of course, it's getting springtime, and the weather's getting warm. And that night, I just couldn't sleep. So 1.30 in the morning, I broke my own rules. I decided, well, I'll just try it. So, location, I have to drive out through, it's a dirt road back into the woods. There's no houses. This is isolated. Basically, you drive up the side of a, like a cliff, the mountain, the dirt road. There's part of, you know, the rocks are still sticking up out. There's gravel, but the road's not very good. So you run maybe 25 miles an hour. You know, it's top speed, but I have a four-wheel drive. So, at the location is where the cave system is, and it's also where they give birth or whatever. So I have an area and I will, I have different things that I give. I make the apple cakes or apples or fruit or vegetables. Or sometimes I just take little shiny things and strips of cloth or ribbons. They like that kind of stuff. And usually they give me something back. I'll go back and they'll have left me rocks or different things. So it's just our way of interacting. But on this night, I had, I went out and it's 1.30 in the morning and it's pitch black. There was a full moon. And I got out and I had taken my, I left the car running. I left the door open. And I decided, you know, I just got out with my stuff and I was carrying it over. There's like a concrete wall. They built a wall because the road is actually sliding. There's a big huge down the side of a cliff. Because there's a cave system and it's undermining. So that's sliding down. So they put a wall there to kind of help to hold the road because the road is still traveled, sparsely traveled, but it is traveled. And I will set my stuff at the end of that wall because they come up from the cave system. And so I had gotten out and as soon as I got out, I heard, I have a form of communication with the watchers. I, I sense what they feel and they feel, you know, they know what I'm feeling, but I can hear their thoughts. It's like mind speak type thing. I hear it in my head, like a telepathic type thing. I heard this voice and I first thought it was somebody yelling at me from across the road and I hear, watch out, watch out, you know, and I'm looking around and then I hear like crashing in the trees, there's a, because it's a cedar grove. There's cedars in there and I hear like crashing and the sticks crashing and, and then I heard the, like the growls and they have the vocals or some, the when they're fighting or whatever it changes, it's not their little hoops and I call it singing. This is almost, it's like an elephant trumpeting and the screams. And I hear that and I then all of a sudden, of course, I'm out away from the car. And this one steps out that I've never seen before. That's, you know, not any that I'm familiar with or, you know, interacted with. And he is very angry and he's heading straight for me. So I just froze, honestly, I just froze. I didn't know what to do. So basically, I'm kind of, which I don't, you know, I've been trained, you know, to contain my fear and my emotions because that's also something they feed on. But it's getting closer and I'm terrified. And then from the wood line came the two old ones. And they are, well, the one I call Grandfather, he's completely white now. He was my dad's watcher actually, which he's way over 100 years old. My dad was born in 1927 and of course he's passed away. But this is his watcher because he would come and be with dad before dad passed away. I took care of him for the last two years of his life and he would actually come and just kind of stand at night time and watch the house while I cared for dad. But there was him and then another one of the old ones. They basically attacked it. It took both of them to take the young one down because he's big and he's massive. That gave me the chance to get back into my car. Then of course, now I have to travel like four to five miles down the side of this hillside, the cliffs and I have to go at a slow speed. I can't, but my terror was, I'm sorry, I get a little emotional at this point. Because they're fighting and my taillights light up and I can see them there and I see my old one, my dad's, he's old. And I've seen him go down. And first, he means a lot to me, because that's part of my dad. If I was, it's just the way it is. It's like I'm looking at my grandfather. And I actually hit the brakes and I thought, and then common sense hit me and it's like, no, they're giving your life to let you go, to get you out of here, so don't disrespect them. You know, get going, don't stop, get going. So I had to travel out and get down and I'm crying so hard I can't see. And it's, you know, it's dark, the moon is shining, but it's dark and the headlights and I'm just going down this dirt, dirt. Dude, it's just dense trees all around. Like you would drive through the forest and you got a dirt road. That's how it is. And so I got to get down to the other road, which is another vacant, it's paved road now. But the conservancy owns it. So all the homes and the farms there are no more. They've sold them out and there's no one lives there, which was part of my old home where I raised my kids at my dad's old farm. And then my farm connected to his. And I have to travel up another seven miles to get to the main highway before, and then I got to get on home to my house where I live. And I was so terrified. You know, I'm still, I searched and I was so heartbroken because I thought, you know, I couldn't find him. I could always sense him or feel him and I couldn't. So I thought, you know, he's dead. You know, I thought, for sure, I lost him. And honestly, I grieved. So, and then there's another couple that I'm kind of training and they come and we go out together. And they're a young couple and I'm hoping that because I'm getting older and I want somebody to take my place in life when I'm gone, I want somebody to be here to continue on caring for our burial mounds and caring for, you know, the interactions with the watchers and hopefully carry on just education to hopefully keep everybody safe, you know, not just my watchers, but the humans and the families that's moving in. That's our goal. So, they had went, there's a cemetery where the, they hang out a lot. The cemetery is an old, from late 1700s, early 1800s. And they still, the watchers hang out at the cemeteries because even though the person has passed away, they, I think they sense where, they know where they're at. They know that's where their body had been or whatever. So, they will hang out there and they watch over. And so, they were there and they actually picked him up. They were video and Rick and Mandy Steltner, that's her name, and Rick sent me the video and he says, look, look, look, I can, look what I see. And there was a flash of my old grandfather. And I seen him, he's moving slow, but he was up moving, which made my heart, I got joy in my heart just to be able to know he was alive. And then I waited a couple more days, and then I went and then I found him myself. It's not like I go and hug him. That's not how it works. We, I don't do that, but I can go and I'll bring something and he will step out for me to see. And he recognizes me and I recognize him. It's just not that, you know, this was a very serious, I could have died that night. You know, honestly, I am amazed that in my heart, I thought this is it. I thought this is it. You know, this is going to be my doing me in. And if it went honestly, if it had not been for those two that intervened on my part and fought, they fought for my life. You know, I mean, they were probably, they were probably in a battle to begin with. That's probably the reason they were, because this new one on top of that cave, the females are down in there. So it was, you know, a very, very bad situation to begin with. And then I was, I felt so guilty because I thought, you know, if I hadn't went there or did that, maybe, you know, maybe I caused it to be more violent than it was before. So I had that guilt in my heart. And it still bothers me that my old one, you know, he got hurt. But the other thing was, with Mandy and Rick, they also picked up another picture of just, it was like the face and the shoulders from the cemetery of the other one, which is amazingly, he's alive. He does not look very good. His nose is split almost in half. He is like a prize fighter in the eye. So he's beat up pretty good too. But he's still there. And it seems like there's two that the old ones, my clans here have accepted. They've ran off. I've not the other ones because there was like six new ones that came in. I'm not seeing the other ones, but these two are being submissive. And so I guess the battle, you know, the old ones won. They won one more time. However, many times that's going to happen because they are getting really old. But then, because I've seen them a couple of times and my old ones, they keep them back away from me. They don't let them anywhere close. But because I can't hear, I'm beginning to hear the new ones thoughts. I couldn't do it to begin with. My old ones, yes, but not the new ones. But now it's kind of like I'm picking up little brief words here and there. And what was kind of concerning, because I heard in the thought pattern or in my, yeah, and the one says, she smells good. And I'm like, does he mean I smell good like a good person? Or does he mean I smell good like he wants to eat me? So because it is a violent situation. It's not like he's my friend. He's still very leery. Not just me, there's a lot more people that's interacting and seeing. And they're having a little more violent. I guess with the new ones, the old ones that's here, they don't, they see them or whatever, but they're not so apt to harm or do stuff. These new ones are not from here and they're, it's different things. The other thing that I had, I think I talked about this in the last show that I did, was my hike and seeing the Dogman. I believe I spoke about that for the first time. I never believed in the Dogman. I thought it was just a myth because I've heard the lords and legends from my Shawnee elders, the old medicine men and the stories. I honestly thought it was kind of like the warriors that were just maybe the medicine men. I did something to make them battle a little fiercer like the dog soldiers, which is another, those are warriors. They are native warriors and they teeter theirself down. They fight to the death. They either win or they die. They do not turn theirself loose for any reason. I thought, well, maybe that's what, when they spoke of the dog man, that's what they were talking about. But then when I did that hike and I seen that, and I still had questions in my mind, we did that six-mile hike back in the woods, me and the two other girls, and it was a good evening. We had fun all day. We heard some knocks and seen some footprints and different stuff. It wasn't even my area. It's probably almost two hours from where I live. I went to the other girls' area, something she wanted to show me just for a hike. We had a great time. Big old tree, a hollow tree. We took pictures, acted crazy, got inside, got stuck, just crazy stuff. But when we were leaving and coming down that trail, we saw that, I saw it first. I thought it was a big tom turkey because it was so far away. It's just like this big black gob. And I was like, what in the world? And then the second girl, she saw it. And then she's like, I don't know what is that? Of course, I don't carry my phone or anything with me. I don't have a camera or nothing. They have phones. I have junk phones. I don't, I don't fall with phones too much. So she tried taking a picture and she couldn't get it. She's like, I don't know what it is, but I can't bring it in close enough. So as we went farther, of course, I carry, I carry a gun. I do because there's snakes and the coyotes and just for protection, we're back in the woods. But we had to travel that trail to get out. There's only one way in and one way out. You don't have it any other. You have no other way out. You have to go that way. So we kept moving and we're getting a little concerned now because as farther closer we get, the bigger this thing is getting. And we talked about it's like it had like a German shepherd head. So we're like, did somebody throw a dog out? Because we're in the woods. Did somebody abandon a dog? What is that? And then we're worried about, is the dog mean? And of course, I walk with a walking stick. And of course, I was the oldest one in the bunch. The other two girls are younger and the one's like, I'm going to get me a stick. So she did. But by that time, I pulled my pouch around and I have a 380 and I carry extra clips for it. And I just wanted to have it where I can get my hand on it and I did. But then we went on down farther and there was a doe deer on the side of the trail. And she jumped, she'd been laying there. She jumped up and ran off to the right. But now this thing, we can see it and it's like on the ground, like a dog tracking, nose to the ground, like it's sniffing and tracking. And it's like, oh my God, it's a huge dog. Look at that. And now we're really concerned because we don't know, is this thing going to be, is it going to be violent? Is it mean or what? And then we got close enough, you know, where we could see it good. And then it came up on two feet. You know, I'm like, God, I'm like, in my mind, I can't even rationalize what I'm seeing. And she's looking at me, you know, the one girl is looking at the other one. The third girl is seeing it, but she's kind of like shock type thing. She's kind of a little bit in shock. And, but, you know, she's like, you know, we're kind of speechless. And it's like, oh my gosh. And I think, well, maybe something's throwing a ball, making it jump up. But then I realized it's walking, it's walking on two legs. And then it went to the right into the woods line where the deer had went. And now we have to pass there. There's no way. Like I said, there's no way. Everything went silent. There wasn't a bird. There wasn't an insect. Every hair on my head stood up, up my neck. You know, cold chills like, oh my God, I'm on high alert. By now, by this time, I've done, you know, I've done, clicked my safety off. And I got my hand in there. I'm like, you know, a 380 is not going to handle the size of this thing because it's man size. It's huge and it's up on two legs. So we get up there and we had to crawl over it. There was a log across the road. And we had crawled over it when we came in. So we had to crawl back over and we're getting up. And there was like 50 feet to where the car was. And I had my daughter's new car, which, you know, you just hit the clicker and I locked the door. And I'm hitting it and I'm hitting it and I'm hitting it. And it won't unlock. And then the one girl, she's like, I gotta pee, I gotta pee, I gotta pee. It's like, you know, there was, because it's a park area and it's just like, I was like, there's no way. I was like, just pee wherever you want to. I'm getting in a car because there's no way. I'm like, don't go, you know, don't go towards the bathroom. You know, it's farther away from the car. You don't want to, you know, get in the car. And finally, I had to take the key. And, you know, with the new cars, you got to ring in a row of and even with a key to unlock the door. It's like a horror movie. And I got it unlocked and we got in and it's like, she's like, what did we just see? What was that? I don't know. I mean, she's like, did we just see a dogman? I don't know. I'm still I'm still in shock and doubt. And but in the same area, this was like last year. And then in January of this year, in the same area, this was a deputy sheriff and he actually told his story. Is the same area where we saw this. And he was coming home from, you know, from work and he's seen. I've never met the man. I don't know him. I've never seen him. He never talked to me. I never shared my story with him. But he described the exact same thing that we saw. In basically the same area, you know, standing beside the road by a guard rail, which, you know, it shook him up pretty good too. I guess he saw it turn around and come back and he shared his story. And I'm like, wow, he saw the same thing we saw. So, it has to be something. But then after that time, again, I had, like I said, I go back into the woods. I have my own area where I go to camp. I go back and I spent the night that night. And I have, like, the little goke ember, you know, where it records front and back. And I was walking away and I didn't see anything. I didn't sense anything. I didn't smell anything. And I, you know, just a couple of days later, I was going through my pictures or whatever. I always liked to look to see what, because there's turkeys back there and, you know, there's owls. I love the owls and the whipper whales. Everybody hates whipper whales. I love whipper whales. And, you know, it's just we have, there is a few bobwhites, believe it or not, that I don't know how they have survived. We actually have, we have plant life here that does not grow anywhere else and birds that's seen nowhere else in the world. And this is the conservacy are helping to preserve all of that. And we also have a wood rat. I don't know why they want to keep those, but I'm not real thrilled on rats. You know, in my video, basically that's what I was looking for was that kind of stuff. Standing on the cliff, there is a clear picture. It is not my watcher. This is, it has the pointed ears of the dog. It is the curved legs. Standing on two legs, massive standing up. Looking down, basically watching me walk under the cliff and away, it didn't try to, you know, it didn't try to harm me. It didn't growl. It didn't do any kind of... I had heard howls the night before, which I thought were coyotes, and I actually did pick it up on my audio. I got some vocals of it, and I'd sent it to... Tim Vogel is a researcher that I speak to him. I kind of met him when I was doing the podcast. I met him, and I'll ask him stuff, because he's a really nice man. He's always been very helpful and very supportive of me. And if I send him something or ask him something, he'll tell me, you know, either that is just nothing whatsoever, it's a piece of garbage or whatever, do this, this. So he's always been very, very honest. And talking to him, I'd send him that recording of the howl. And he said, that's not a coyote. He said, that's a wolf. He's like, those are wolf howls, which we don't really, in this area, we don't really have wolves. There was some that a man was breeding, like hybrids, with the husky dogs he had. You know, he had the male wolf, you know, timber wolf, and he was breeding him with the huskies. He was selling them. And he, you know, they came out, he got in trouble, and instead of, he wouldn't let them have his animals, he just opened the cages. He had big kennels, and they were very well cared for. They were not neglected in any way. But he turned them loose. So, we do have, you know, we have hybrids that's running. You don't see them very often, but, you know, we do have some. So, I thought, well, maybe that's why I picked up. Maybe there was one of them. And, but that's what, you know, he told me, he's like, there's a wolf house. And he said that's, and it's not any kind of a, cause he is a, he guides, you know, he's a woodsman. So he does a lot of, you know, he's in the woods. So he knows his stuff. And he said, that's a wolf. He said, it's not really any wolf that I, you know, the kind of wolf that I've heard. He said, that is something different, but that is a wolf. So, evidently we do have, you know, people has a couple of times, it's not the watchers are seeing, they're seeing this other, these other creatures which I, and all my life, my all my years have been in the woods. And up until that point, I've never saw anything like that. So, I don't have an explanation for what's going on. I just know that it seems like things are changing and not just, you know, more interactions. Here, the, like I said, with the watchers and their clans, there's probably six different clans that live here. They don't live, they live in the cave systems. People say, you know, they migrate in the wintertime. No, because there's plenty of food here. You know, there's a deer and there's turkey and then there's farm animals and nothing else, but, you know, I have poultry farms. They love ducks. They wiped out my ducks. They don't bother the other stuff, but they have taken my ducks. And, of course, the creeks have the, there's plenty of fish and the crawdads and then the little turtles, you know, that kind of stuff. So I find their footprints in the, I have the waterfalls, I have a waterfalls where I've found some really interesting different things like my grandson found. It is bigger than a dinner plate. I mean, like a, like a big, almost size of a serving plate. It is a petrified, I don't know if it's a hand or a foot. You can see the fingers and the nails. There's like three fingers, there's like three fingers and a thumb or whatever. Or to me, it looks more like a hand instead of a foot. But I did speak to, there's, it's called the House of Phaops. And that's what they do is all kind of different rocks and like the horn coral, in which we have massive amounts of horn coral here. And he's like, you know, that's prehistoric. So I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is, but in that waterfalls is also where I found last year, well, it's beginning of spring last year. My son, I hadn't been out and he went with me and we were just walking, you know, we just did a hike and we looked in crystal waterfalls and there's foliage, you know, there's sand and crystal water runs through. And he's like, what is that? It's something sticking up out of the ground. I look at my phone, it looks like hair. So he started pulling the hair and he pulled out. And then again, Tim Vogel's voice popped in my head because I don't think about, you know, I'm not a researcher, I don't think about that kind of stuff. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. You know, if that is something we're messing up DNA, so, you know, stop. There's no skin on it. This is just hair, like, you know, like dreadlock hair. It's very coarse and thick and matted. Of course, there's sticks in there. And it would be like if a human being grew their hair, a massive human being grew their hair and never combed it or washed it or processed it in their whole life. That's what it would be like. So he pulled that out and we put it in a backpack and I brought it home. And I had laid it over a chair. I was like, oh my God, how big is this? Because it's like six foot long and it's about two feet wide. And of course, it was wet and it stank. Oh my God, it stank horrible. It smelled like skunk and wet dog. And you know, it was, it was bad stink. And so I left it. And then the next morning, I thought, well, I want to lay it out. So I put plastic down on my couch. I want to lay it out just to, you know, to measure it to get the exact measurement on it. And I want to take more pictures because I took like two pictures when I brought it in wet. But when I laid it out and it was dry, it would not, I couldn't take a picture. It wouldn't let me take a picture. I took a picture of everything out in the house. I took a camera, I tried a camera, I tried my phone, but not let me do it. So I, I was like, what? You know, what the heck? Why is that not, I couldn't explain it. But then again, there was more left there. So we waited a while, it was probably a month before we went back. And this time we took rubber gloves. I told him, I was like, well, well, I had a big plastic case. And I said, we'll take gloves that way we won't touch it and mess up anything. You know, it's a different color. The first bunch is like brown and black. Like it has some red streaks in it. And then the other is like white and it's got brown and the red streaks, but it's got white in it. Again, about the same amount, about the same length and stuff, same texture. I took it to a taxidermist that I trust. I've known for years. And I asked him, you know, what could it be because he's very, you know, he's been doing this for a lot of years and he's very good at what he does. And he's like, I don't know. I've never seen, you know, he's like, the closest thing I could say would be like a beefalo or buffalo. But it's too much, you know, it's, it would kind of like that, but not that. So he's like, I don't know what you have. He said, I don't know where it came from or, you know, because there's no skin. It's just hair. But in this area, like I said, from this waterfalls, we found different stuff. And then again, I was talking to another, it was a researcher and he's, you know, I said, do you have any ideas? And he said, well, you know, when an animal passes away, like a deer or whatever, and they get in the water, and the water runs to them, you know, the hair will slough off. That's true, because it's like tanning, because tan, like we kill a deer. We process everything. I use, we tan the hide. We use horns, you know, for knife handles and buttons and pull the sinew. We use the sinew to wrap with. And the leg bones, my son makes bone knives, you know, like the old, the Shawnee bone knives, the old time. So we use everything. There's nothing that goes to waste. Because if that animal gave its life, then you honor it. And you, you know, you don't disrespect it. You use everything. It gave its life for you. So it's meat for you to eat, but the materials are for use for other things. When you tan a hide, you know, you, you take the hair off. And it's a water process at that too. So I like, well, that makes sense. Maybe whatever it was, was in that waterfalls or up the creek or, and we'd had some flooding. So maybe or maybe it was a burial and it ran through it and it literally washed the hair, you know, off of, I'm, there's nowhere for me, there's nowhere for me to send things for DNA. And then I've been told, don't do it anyway, because there's no reputable place. You send stuff, you never get it back. Or, you know, even if it was just a small amount or whatever. But so I'm not sure whether that, you know, I question, is it one of my watchers? You know, was it one of the old ones that passed away? Did it or was it one of these other creatures, you know, fighting? Did they end up in the water? And, you know, so I do have questions on that. And I really see any answer anybody can give me or, you know, I'm up for... Everybody has an opinion and, you know, if you put your thoughts together, I think if everybody worked together, we would get a whole lot more production, you know, and a lot more answers. I mean, I know things, other people knows things. And if we put them together, I think we could figure out, you know, I think it would be better. So but just, you know, human nature.

Speaker 2:
[41:43] Yeah, human nature is right. If you've had a Bigfoot sighting and would like to be a guest, please go to bigfooteyewitness.com and let me know. When the watcher you call Grandfather and the other old watcher saved you from that rogue, did the words watch out, watch out sound loud in your head or did you hear them in normal volume?

Speaker 1:
[42:05] No, they were shouting, you know, like warning me, watch out, watch out. You know, it was a warning. It's when I thought, I thought, you know, I actually thought there was a person because the voice is gruff. It's, you know, it's like a male voice, but it's like gruff. You know, I knew what the words were saying, but it's not like your voice talking to me. These are, you know, the voices are gruff. Now, I've heard them before, I've heard different sounds. I hear like the Shawnee, I have the ancient Shawnee language, you know, from the real Shawnee language, the ancient Shawnee, not the Shawnee language that you go online and look up or whatever. I have the original ancient Shawnee language, and I will hear different words or sounds. I think it's where they have communicated and passed down. But there's, you know, but this was English. This was not Shawnee that said, watch out, this was English. So, but it was the voice is very like gruff, you know, but I knew what it was saying. You know, it was warning me, watch out, watch out. And I'm like, but then it was just second, you know, it's screaming and then second, I'm right there in the line of fire. And in all my life, I've never, I've never seen that degree of violence. And to know, you know, I honestly, in my heart, I knew it meant to kill me. I think it meant to, you know, I was in this way. It was mad, whatever it was, you know, I know they're fighting there. Like I said, this is a very sensitive time. Because that's the other thing people always ask me about. And they leave urine behind, you know, I've seen it and you smell it. It's different. It's like a thick, syrupy like almost. And it has an odor to it. So in the one area, I have a barn. It's an old, abandoned tobacco barn. And I call it the hidden pond because that pond has the big old snapping turtles in it, you know, and it's plump full of fish of all kind. And it sits back in the woods and nobody really goes there. But they use that area and I use that barn. I have a table and stuff set up in there and I'll take, you know, different foods back there and leave it. Like, I grow a garden, so I have leftover like pumpkin and squash and, you know, cucumbers, whatever. I'll take a portion of that back there and just put it out for them. But when they come in, of course, you know, in an old barn, the floor is just dust and dirt, you know, it's just a dirt floor. So their footprints are there where they come in. And then the trails through the high grass that leads into the barn, you can track them through it. And my granddaughter, one of my granddaughters, had graduated, this had been a few years ago. And that's what they was going to go back to the pond, her and his like three girls. And that was their big idea for their graduation thing. They was going to go back here and camp. And her dad, now their dad will not go back in there. He grew up in that area, he is terrified. And he'll tell you so. He'll mow a trail in for me, but he does it very quickly. If it's nighttime or dark, he will not set foot back in there. He's like, no, no, no. He's like, I've heard too many things back there. I don't like the things that moves back there. So, but the girls, you know, they were going to be big and brave. I tell this funny story. And of course, they're 18, you know, they just graduated. And so they go back and set up their camp and put up their tent and do all this stuff. And then it gets dark and they had four wheelers. They brought, came back in four wheelers and they left everything behind. So it was, she's like, it started out with like the coyotes howling. And then, then she's like, then we hear this. It's funny because the one's vocal sounds like a train. It would just go, it goes on and on and on. And she's like, I don't know, dad's right. She's like, there's something back there. There really is. He always told us not to. So that was their big experience on where graduation did not go so well.

Speaker 2:
[47:09] Yeah, I'd say it didn't. Holy cow. It doesn't seem like Sasquatch do anything without having a reason for it. With that in mind, why do you think it was that that road came after you that night the way he did?

Speaker 1:
[47:23] I think he was new. You know, he didn't know me, he was new to the area and they were fighting, like I said, because when you've got the females, you know, it's breeding time and they're here, they're in clans and they are in pairs. They pair. It's not like they have this big group. It's a couple that, you know, just it's like I kind of explain it like, you know, like wolves mate for life, you know, and they're, they're coming. What I see here is when you see the male and female in a family unit, those are the same male and female and their children. Then you got the rogue coming in and he's fighting for territory. And the females are given birth in those caves, but then you got the young females for breeding, you know, it's time for them to, so they can smell that, you know, it's kind of like, you know, when, when a dog goes in heat and you be, don't mean to be crude or anything, you know, about that. But, you know, the other, the male dogs come, you know, they can, they'll travel for miles, they smell that female. And it's kind of like that too. So the old ones are usually the sentries, they're up to the top and they guard the, you know, guarding those caves. So, I believe he came in, he probably smelled the females and he sensed them. And he was there and he just was outmatched. But honestly, I was, my old one, he's down to like three toes and he is, he is old and very fierce, but he's still, you know, his age. And the young ones are, you know, of course, they're going to be stronger. You know, the older he gets, the more weak he's going to get. He still held his own this time, but I think that was what it was. And when I stopped, I just kind of was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And he didn't, basically, I don't know, maybe he just, you know, he was, I was just in the way, you know, that's, I don't feel like it was, I don't feel any animosity towards it, because basically, you know, I was out in the woods by myself. And I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That's kind of how I feel about it. But I do, you know, I thank God every day, you know, for the ones that was there to, but they protected me before, you know, I did things before that has protected me. So, they're always, I'll hear a warning, you know, snakes, they've warned me away, you know, there's something dangerous that's gonna, you know, I grew up in the woods as a kid. So I played in those woods. And I would, you know, they protected me. They really did. Dad taught me and, you know, he's like, basically, you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone. You respect them, they'll respect you. You watch out for them, they'll watch out for you. And that's, you know, how I have been taught. And that's how I live. And I still do when I go out. You know, it's like my first instinct that night was stop to help them. And then I'm like, what am I going to do? There's no there's no human being going to battle them and win. There is not. I don't care what kind of gun you got. You might make noise, you might scare them away. But to win? No. There's no one going to fight them physically and win. I don't care what anybody says. I've seen them. That is not possible. They can be right there. That's the other thing. It's like with the hair I talked about and how you can't get a picture. It's like them and they try to get them on the heat thing. They'll say, well, we can't get them on the heat. We're trying to get this. I don't know what it's called because I don't have one. When you call it the thing that shows the heat, like if you're light up in the nighttime, you see your body heat. It's like, why can't you get it? And then I had actually talked to, it's an old soldier. It's an old veteran because I work with a veteran. And he said, do you ever think about, like when we're out there, they give them those blanket things they put over them that shields them. So when they're trying to find them, they can't pick up their body heat because it's like a silver blanket-like thing they use. He told me, he showed it to me. He didn't have one. He said, you put this on. He said, then you put it, hit me with that. And he's like, see, you can't see my body heat, right? So what about them? He said, what about if their fur, you know, their hair repels like that, just like they shimmer, like they're standing in the woods. They step out, you see them, they step back and turn. You don't see them no more. Not that they're not there, that they, you know, they have not left, but you can't see them. So, well, that makes sense, you know. So, I actually have talked to, well, Rick Stoltner about that too. And he's like, you know, that's a good idea. Maybe we should like experiment and see, you know, if, I was like, well, I did with him and that, I don't know what the terminology is for it, but it's not the infrared so much as the thing that does the heat, the body heat thing. So, I go, okay. That was just one other thing. You know, try to come up with theories for this or that. And, well, it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[53:39] If you watch the woods around your property with technology like that on a regular basis, I can only imagine what you might see with all the activity going on around there.

Speaker 1:
[53:50] Well, I've gotten the one picture I got, which I didn't even, wasn't trying to get anything. It was in my big house, which was, my bedroom was all, I had like plate glass windows. But I'd moved down when I took care of mom and dad because dad, I had to get him closer for like the squads and whatever. So I've got the cabins. And in the cabin that I'm in right now, I've taken a little bedroom and I turned it into a bathroom. But I had the sliding doors, you know, because I have a creek directly, like 10 feet from the back of my house, there's the creek, you go down. And then it's woods. That's how it is. And I thought it was coyotes that night. I left that window open. And I went into the bathroom and I thought, oh crap, I left that open. The mosquitoes are going to come in off the creek. But then I smelt like the wet dog, the coyote. I thought, well, it's coyotes. They must be right there in the creek by the house. And I just stuck my phone out the window. And I snapped two pictures at night with my phone. And again, I underpaid any attention. I just went back to what I was doing. And the next morning, I was going through my pictures. And lo and behold, probably within, you know, just 10 feet of where my hand was, where I snapped that picture, I got his face, his face, his shoulder, his arm, you know, he's literally right there. It's like, oh, I get, I'll get rocks through, not big rocks, but sometimes he likes to get attention. So he'll like, it's a young one, actually, he's young. And he'll like pitch a rock or stick or when he was, he's getting big now, but when he was younger, he would actually climb from the tree that's in the back and step over onto the roof. And of course, like I said, I have a cabin, I have a loft area, but because there's not, you know, this isn't a big house and you would see, like, it's like my ceiling. I was like, please get off my roof. I'm afraid it's nighttime because I'm, I'm by myself, so I just, first I thought, what in the heck, but then the weight of it, but he didn't hurt anything. It was basically just kind of like a curious kid, you know?

Speaker 2:
[56:15] Thank goodness he didn't hurt anything. He's definitely got the weight to crash right through if he's not careful, so thank goodness that didn't happen.

Speaker 1:
[56:25] He's quit getting on to the roof. I think he's a little too big now, but that was, they grow at a lot faster rate than we do, so he's still young, but he's getting bigger.

Speaker 2:
[56:41] Yeah, I've heard that about them. I can only imagine how fast they do grow. When you saw him after the night that he saved you, you said the grandfather was moving slowly, but being as old as he is, did he seem to be having trouble getting around even before that night?

Speaker 1:
[56:59] Well, he is getting older and he doesn't move like a young one, but he was definitely hurt. He was definitely, he's beat up. He wasn't, they're very, when they fight, it's a very violent thing. So, I mean, they bite, their bite is very, very bad. You know, it's huge and it's, their mouth is mad, you know, when they open it, their head is big. So it's not like, but their teeth are, you know, they have more, they don't have like fang-type teeth, like, you know, a dog or whatever, but they do have, like we have the eye teeth, you know, the more sharper on the side. And they have that, but theirs is a lot bigger. So they make a pretty good puncture. But it's just, you know, so yeah, when they fight, it's nothing, there's nothing gentle about it at all.

Speaker 2:
[58:14] Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I've heard stories about people seeing them fight. And yeah, it didn't sound pretty at all.

Speaker 1:
[58:23] They literally will tear huge trees out. You know, they do.

Speaker 2:
[58:28] Oh, that's what I've heard. If you'd like to be able to listen to the show without ads and have full access to bonus content, that's an option. To find out how, please go to bigfooteyewitness.com/podcast. When Grandfather and that other watcher stopped the rogue from getting to you that night, I don't want to put words into your mouth. I want to make sure I understood what you said about what happened. Did the rogue seem to attack them too, or continue to try to get to you?

Speaker 1:
[58:58] No, no, no. They hit him. You know, it took both of them. They literally knocked him down. You know, when he went down, that's how I got... They had him down, because it was like... You would think like football tackle, you know, they tackle, you know, they attacked, and as they knocked, it took both of them to knock him down. But then they're on top of a cliff. So, you know, that's how I got back to the car. The car wasn't that far away. And thank God I had left the door open and it was running. So that was a that was a plus for me. But again, they're on top and they're literally knocking trees and stuff down. But they're on top of that cliff. And then when my my tail lights, you know, of course, I'm looking in the rear view mirror. And, you know, I had seen, you know, they had knocked him down, but they were up on top of him. And then I seen, you know, my old one, he was thrown and he went down. That's when I thought, you know, I thought for sure it killed him. I really did. But, you know, he's old, he's old. He's on top of a cliff, you know, they're over, they're going over the side of a cliff into, you know, you go down. And this is just rocks. So that's all I could think of, you know, they're, they're, you can hear, I mean, it was like, I can't even describe the sounds, the screams and the, I mean, there's no one lives back in there. So I don't know if anybody else, but you could hear it. I mean, it traveled, the fighting, the sound would travel. Because I, you know, always, I had the, you know, the window down and I'm trying to see, but, you know, after I'm out, the taillights are out and what I could see with just the moon, but, you know, they're down and down over. So they're out of my line of sight. And then I just, I had to get, I don't know if you can understand. When I'm driving down this road, I'm literally on each side, if I go off the road, I'm going to go down over a cliff. You know, I'm going to go, I'm just in a wood line, but on each side is a drop off, you know. So I got to stay in the middle of that road. And I can't go fast because just the bump of it will throw you off the road because there's, there's a gravel road, but there's like the rocks from the cliff top, you know, is sticking up through it. So you're going four wheel drive, dump, dump, you know, like that. So it, until I get down off of that road and then on to the paved road, it's pretty hairy. In the daytime, that's when I said, I don't know what, I shouldn't have went that night. It was just like, well, they spur of the moment, crazy idea things, you know, when you, it's like, why did I do that? Why did I do that? And, but I'm kind of, I'm just used to going, you know, into, mostly I hike in, but that night I just thought, I just wanted, I couldn't sleep and it was warm and I just needed quiet time. And, and I regret, you know, I regret it every day. I do, I actually have guilt. I'm thinking, you know, maybe, you know, they were fighting, but maybe it wouldn't have been so violent. And if I hadn't have found him, I don't know. My heart was just, just totally, I did. I cried and cried. I cried all the way out and then I cried for days. I just could not. I was so, when he sent me, I was so relieved. And then when I could actually see him for myself and see that he was alive, that was, it was like this massive weight came off of my heart. And I was like, thank you, God. You know, thank you for letting him be here. Well, I just, I don't know. I really, honestly, I really do have a lot of concern for things is changing. And I don't know what's going to happen. And I just, they've been here forever. It's like everything else, you know, the bear, the bear coming right out into people's yards. And I have bobcats coming into my barn. They don't run away. They're not afraid anymore. You know, before, you know, you go out and shoot up in the air or whatever, and they'll, you know, they'll run away. But they are getting so used to human beings, they're not running away anymore. So it makes it that much more dangerous, you know, especially for children. It's just, I do have a big concern.

Speaker 2:
[64:01] Because of all those changes, like what you just mentioned, have you been thinking about moving lately or are you staying for the duration?

Speaker 1:
[64:10] Nope. I'm actually putting up, up in my woods, we're starting to build. It's going to be a primitive cabin, but I'm already, there's a spring there, and I'm already, the trees are there. Then me and my son has been, nope, I'm going to be moving back farther. I'm not going to come out of the woods. I'm going to move back and farther into the woods.

Speaker 2:
[64:36] Wow. You don't frighten easily, do you?

Speaker 1:
[64:39] No. That's what I said. I grew up in the woods and I've been taught, and I'll never leave my woods. I told my son, which he got kind of aggravated at me because he's like, Mom, don't talk like us. Like, I'm building my cabin. This is my cabin for the end of my life, and I have a few more responsibilities that I have to take care of. Then when my time comes, I'm going to my cabin and I'm going to live in my cabin to the end of my days. Then when you come and I no longer need it, you just don't worry about it. You just simply set that on fire and leave me there. He's like, Mom, you can't do that. Well, that's what I want. I don't want to leave my woods. That's who I am. I don't put curtains on my windows. I don't close my windows because I like seeing my woods and my forest. It's nothing for me to go out in the night time and just... That's how I calm myself. I love my woods. I love my animals. I love my trees. I've been this way my whole life and I'm not going to change now.

Speaker 2:
[66:08] I'm glad you're not going to change. That's admirable. I love the fact that you feel that way about the woods and you love the woods so much. That's great. I definitely understand that too. Well, I'll tell you what, Donna, we're out of time, but before we get out of here, I just want to thank you so much for coming back on and updating us about the latest developments.

Speaker 1:
[66:31] Absolutely. I don't know if what I do makes any different in the world. Like I said, everybody has their own opinion. They can believe me. They don't have to believe me. I don't care. I know what I know and I'm not out to prove anything. The only thing I care about is I care about people. I take care of people. I care about children. I care about the elderly. I care about my animals. I care about my animals. I care about my watchers. The dogmen are a little different thing for me. I worry more for people's safety with them because they are a different breed. And I think that's going to get a little more violent myself. But maybe with people seeing more and getting more educated about things that's there. You know, some talk about, you know, the watchers being evil and doing all this. And I'm sure, you know, I'm not saying they're all good. They're not. You know, it's like everything else. There's good and bad and everything. But I also think they are here to guide us too. You know, I believe in God. I believe the Creator is my God. But God is the Creator. So, you know, and, you know, I go, you know, I go to church. I've been raised both ways in the church and with the Shawnee old ways. And I listen to the ministers, the preachers, and I hear them telling everybody, you know, the end of the days are coming and you need to be getting right. And, you know, basically, you know, some people listen, most just shuck it off. So maybe the watchers are here for a reason, too. Maybe they're here and they're showing yourself more to not, to me, they're my watchers and they're my protectors. But maybe they're here to help guide, too, because, you know, not that they're evil. Maybe what some of the people in the world don't want to, you know, they don't follow the religion or the listen to the ministers or whatever. Maybe the watchers are not here to take us to hell or, you know, I think they're here to teach us, too. So I think there's a good thing there for us to learn from. But that's just my opinion. Everybody has their own opinion. And like I said, everybody is entitled to their own. I do not argue religion or politics. Fight them on top of my list.

Speaker 2:
[69:26] Yeah, you never get anywhere doing that. So that's a good policy. It really is. Well, like I said, Donna, thanks again so much for your time. And please remember, if I can ever help you, I'll be there for you. All you have to do is let me know. But having said that, thanks again so much and have a great night.

Speaker 3:
[69:51] That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Cundiff. If you've had a Sasquatch encounter and would like to be a guest on the show, please go to bigfooteyewitness.com and submit a report. We'd love to hear from you. Thanks for listening. Have a great night.