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Speaker 3:
[01:05] Hello, and welcome to THIS CAR POD! I'm Kennan.

Speaker 4:
[01:09] I'm Filippo.

Speaker 3:
[01:09] I'm Doug. The regular crew is back, and there's a lot to discuss. Let's start with the new Gt3 convertible. Filippo, you hear about this?

Speaker 4:
[01:18] Yeah, the new S-C.

Speaker 5:
[01:20] Correct, not the SC together like the old ones.

Speaker 4:
[01:22] No, that'd be weird.

Speaker 3:
[01:23] S-. It's 911 Gt3 S slash C.

Speaker 5:
[01:27] Yeah, right, yes.

Speaker 3:
[01:28] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[01:28] They have to say the slash.

Speaker 3:
[01:29] So, this is essentially a Gt3 convertible. C stands for Sport Cabriolet as it always did. It has the same four liter from the Gt3 500 horse, 340 pound feet, something like that. Manual only. Yep. And what do you think?

Speaker 5:
[01:45] Well, you know why it's manual only? There's a reason. It's not just for like driving involvement. The reason is for homologation purposes so they could build on the same platform. The car had to weigh the same as the Gt3 Touring. Now it weighs about the same as the Gt3 Touring with PDK if it has a manual in the top.

Speaker 3:
[02:01] But what homologation?

Speaker 5:
[02:03] For like omission. So in order to keep the NA engine and not have to redevelop the car, that is the reason it has a manual. Thank God. Of course we're all happy it does.

Speaker 3:
[02:14] This is a big deal. This is the first time they've done a convertible Gt3. They did on the 991 chassis, they did the Speedster, but it was a limited production car. Presumably this will not be a limited production car.

Speaker 4:
[02:23] They said it will not be.

Speaker 3:
[02:24] All of the enthusiasts who complained that the Spider RS was Tiptronic only, now we have a manual only. It's a completely different car.

Speaker 4:
[02:32] Car 4. What do you mean? No, no, no. It's cool. In Southern California, we'll see a ton of them. But in the road map for Porsche, we want to target this set of enthusiasts. Who in theory wants a very track-ready convertible?

Speaker 5:
[02:47] Andreas Pruninger, AP as you call him in your Porsche community, says that he always loved convertibles. He had a 993 cabriolet. He likes the idea of being able to listen to the NA engine and experience the similar blah blah blah.

Speaker 3:
[03:00] I don't think Porsche, Ferrari does this. They have convertible versions of all of their high performance. The Pista and the Speciale and the 16M.

Speaker 5:
[03:08] Since the 16M on, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[03:09] And I remember when the 16M came out, I had his very question, and then they sold them all, and now those cars sell for a million bucks. So in a way, it makes sense.

Speaker 5:
[03:16] Well, you know what I like about this is that it makes people kind of honest with how they're using it. A lot of people buy the GT3 because they want the hard-core truck version. They are too afraid to go to a track day because an errant stone ship might devalue their car. This is kind of honest. It's like, you're just cruising around.

Speaker 3:
[03:30] Those people will still not buy this car. They still view themselves as focused enthusiasts, even though they're just laughable people.

Speaker 4:
[03:36] And they don't know how to drive a manual.

Speaker 3:
[03:38] Yeah, well, that's true. In a way, that's kind of an interesting component of this car because typically the convertibles are always the softer cars. They're more traditionally automatics, et cetera. This one is by necessity, you have to be a pretty legit enthusiast. To that end, I wonder if they will actually sell fewer of these. The real enthusiasts are going to still buy this coupe, which has always been the case with Boxster Cayman. The real enthusiasts by the Cayman, because we need our rigidity even though they can't tell. And the people who just sort of want the look and all that can't buy this because it has a manual. And so it is going to be kind of a weird...

Speaker 5:
[04:09] It'll be a weird signal. I don't know what to make of it yet.

Speaker 3:
[04:12] It might end up being rare and valuable, honestly.

Speaker 5:
[04:14] It very well may be. I will say I've watched every review of this car come out. And Chris Harris, he drove it around Weissach and said, I can't tell dynamically the difference between this and the coupe. And admittedly he was there with Weissach and Porsche, but I do pretty much believe this. A lot of the strengthening is all done in carbon fiber, so again, weight was the big concern here.

Speaker 4:
[04:34] But body stability, the rigidity is gone.

Speaker 3:
[04:37] This is exactly for you. You have a 911 that's valuable, you have a $100,000 911, you live in Southern California, you have a manual transmission, you are literally the buyer.

Speaker 4:
[04:47] I will say we do have pricing on this. And if you compare it to a similarly specced Gt3, because there are some things that come standard on the convertible, it is what, $20,000, $30,000 cheaper than a comparable Gt3 coupe.

Speaker 3:
[05:00] Bargain car?

Speaker 4:
[05:00] It is kind of a bargain.

Speaker 3:
[05:02] Why don't you go pick one up then, Bargain Boy?

Speaker 4:
[05:03] I mean it's a bargain at $300, whatever.

Speaker 3:
[05:06] Isn't it $275 base?

Speaker 4:
[05:07] Great.

Speaker 3:
[05:09] You can't participate in that? These are not going to leave the dealers under $400.

Speaker 5:
[05:13] No, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[05:14] They'll be flipped for a while too. I mean it's cool.

Speaker 3:
[05:17] I think it's cool.

Speaker 5:
[05:17] I think it's cool. I don't have as big a problem with it as I thought. Initially, conceptually, I was like, but then I thought more about the speedster and it's like, you know, there's an appeal for people.

Speaker 3:
[05:26] I'm a convertible guy. This is what I would buy if I had any interest in a 992, which I have this much. Right. That's a little bit.

Speaker 4:
[05:34] You love the ST though.

Speaker 3:
[05:35] I was driving my 993 twin turbo yesterday and I got up next to a 992, GTS, which is like the one.

Speaker 4:
[05:42] T-hybrid?

Speaker 3:
[05:43] Yeah, T-hybrid with the things in the front. Makes it look like fish gills. And I'm expecting, OK, we had 911, you know, and I don't ever like to, the new 911 people, I never like to participate in. But I look over, ancient woman driving this 992 GTS.

Speaker 4:
[05:58] Good for her.

Speaker 3:
[05:59] And it's like, yeah, good for her. But at the same time, it's like, she didn't care at all about my car. She had no idea why I was even looking at her.

Speaker 4:
[06:05] And it's like, she maybe couldn't see that far.

Speaker 5:
[06:07] Well, in Southern California, we were so biased by this, but like Porsches are often just bought as normal cars for a lot of people here. Like we just want like a fun sports car.

Speaker 3:
[06:15] But also to like be rich.

Speaker 5:
[06:16] Yeah, but they're rich. So exactly.

Speaker 3:
[06:18] So many.

Speaker 4:
[06:20] Yeah. It's cool.

Speaker 5:
[06:21] The last point I'll make on this is like, I'm so glad that it has an NA engine and AP was asked many times about this engine, if Porsche is going to continue to do this. And he said, he said it will be more challenging going forward, but there's a very good chance we figure out a way to keep NA engines around for the GT3, which I think in a convertible we can appreciate the sound of it. It makes a lot of sense to celebrate that engine.

Speaker 3:
[06:40] So I will say I drove that GTS-T Hybrid and it was awesome. So like, if it comes to a point where the GT3 has to accept turbocharging and hybrids and all that stuff, which you have to assume it will someday, Porsche is the company to make it great.

Speaker 5:
[06:55] I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Speaker 4:
[06:56] By the way, worth mentioning for all the fathers listening who want to carry their kids around, two seat only.

Speaker 3:
[07:00] Two seat only, no back seats. Next news story, the big one of the week, Nissan has announced the return of the Skyline. Folks, this is a massive deal because Nissan, previous to this, was failing. Oh wow, Filippo doesn't even, he doesn't even, what's the point? And they are no longer failing because they are bringing back the Skyline and specifically they are bringing back the R34 GTR.

Speaker 5:
[07:22] Right, and they're very, so that's not what's happening. They're clearly proud of how this one looks.

Speaker 4:
[07:27] I think we have a rear picture in the next slide. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[07:30] Wow, my point stands.

Speaker 4:
[07:33] In the US it will be coming back as an Infiniti Q50, is what they've said it will be called here, which makes sense, following their words.

Speaker 3:
[07:38] And a couple weeks ago they said that an Infiniti would be returning with a sports sedan, with a fun, fun sports sedan, and even suggested it would have a manual transmission.

Speaker 4:
[07:46] Correct, so we talked about this last weekend. We expected to have the engine and transmission from the Nissan Z Nismo, which it has a stick now, and that's likely what this will have.

Speaker 3:
[07:55] If you thought that takeovers were not gonna be able to be supplied with cars, the Camaro is gone, the Charger is electric. If you thought takeovers were gonna be done in 15 years and all the cars got destroyed, no, no, they're back.

Speaker 4:
[08:08] There was news, literally today, of a large car show, I don't remember where, that had banned all VQ engine products.

Speaker 5:
[08:16] Yeah, it was, which I like, which is great.

Speaker 1:
[08:19] You know what, yeah, I get it.

Speaker 4:
[08:21] Well, now they'll have to, you know, keep that going.

Speaker 3:
[08:23] You know what you do with that car show? You show up in an Infiniti G25, do you remember that?

Speaker 4:
[08:28] Yeah, I do.

Speaker 3:
[08:29] There was a period where they did a G37, but they also did a G25, which is the same car. It was like 2010, probably. Anyway, so this is great news. The Skyline's back. Presumably, that means a GTR will come back.

Speaker 4:
[08:44] There has been talk of a GTR being a part of this. They've said, I think, we are already working on the GTR, which is great.

Speaker 3:
[08:50] The Skyline has, for those who don't know, the Skyline has historically been the Infiniti G. Since the G came out in 03, the Skyline has been sold basically unchanged in the United States as a regular car, the Infiniti G35, then the G37, then the Q50. So returning it as a Q50 is not a big surprise, except the surprise that they are still investing in sedans. But, you know, this is a cool car, a sporty sedan. I was reading this and thinking, they're coming back with a manual transmission. Five years ago, if you had told me Infiniti was something going to bring back, I never would have guessed it. But all these companies, I think we owe a little bit of a debt of gratitude to Porsche, which I hate to say on this podcast, because Porsche has made it clear that manual transmissions is kind of a path to getting some credibility with enthusiasts. And Porsche almost dropped it all, and instead kind of kept it going. There was that 911R, and then they came out, the manual GT3s are back and all that. And enthusiasts have flocked to those cars, they are on long waiting lists, they sell enormous numbers, they have huge secondary markets, and it has kept Porsche cool. Even if people aren't buying a manual, even if people are just buying a Macan, the brand has in part stayed cool due to the manual. And I have a suspicion that that itself has in part made BMW and now Infiniti and a couple other brands who probably would have just let it go think, hey, I mean Aston basically themselves announced that, hey, Porsche is doing this, we're going to do it too, for on those manual vantages.

Speaker 5:
[10:13] No, absolutely, it was all thanks to the 911 R. That was the car that was the signal for everything you just discussed. So, thank you Porsche, very happy. If this does come out as a manual, that's my kind of car.

Speaker 3:
[10:26] Imagine if it came out as a manual GTR. Like that would be, if they came back with a GTR, but it had three pedals now. That's the way to enthusiast hearts. And Nissan especially realizes that because the Nismo Z when it came out was auto only and there was a huge blowback. And after a while they changed it. Same with the Supra. And maybe we get a manual Skyline again, like the R34 that Filippo covets.

Speaker 4:
[10:47] Are you worried about how it will look?

Speaker 5:
[10:52] The tail light design is interesting. I kind of like that it's like kind of Ferrari-ish with the...

Speaker 4:
[10:57] I'm so sorry, Kennan, the Nissan people are going to murder you. Are you aware of what the signature GTR styling trait is?

Speaker 3:
[11:05] 2009 Chevy Impala.

Speaker 4:
[11:07] Also that.

Speaker 3:
[11:10] Or 2006 Impala. I'm going to tell you this. And I mean this with all the sincerity in my heart. There's never been an unattractive Nissan Skyline. And so I'm not worried about how it's going to look. They're going to do fine. There's never been an unattractive GTR. There's never been an unattractive Skyline. The Stagia, that's a different conversation.

Speaker 4:
[11:27] Oh, over fighting words today.

Speaker 3:
[11:29] But the Skyline, well, it's just got a big butt.

Speaker 4:
[11:33] So practical.

Speaker 3:
[11:34] But the Skylines have never not looked good.

Speaker 4:
[11:37] That's right. Also, in general, Infiniti needs some, Infiniti sedans look good.

Speaker 3:
[11:41] Infiniti's in general. You know, we were up today, we were doing something. I can't say yet, I don't think.

Speaker 4:
[11:45] Secret.

Speaker 3:
[11:45] And one of the fellows who was there at this company we were at, he said, so what are you driving? And he said, I have an Infiniti FX50. And I'm like, yeah, I hope it was large.

Speaker 4:
[11:55] Was it copper?

Speaker 3:
[11:55] No, it wasn't. But when was the last time you were in a car conversation and someone dropped that car? Probably in 15 years.

Speaker 5:
[12:01] I went on a date with a girl a little while ago. That's what she had.

Speaker 3:
[12:04] An FX50 or a 37?

Speaker 5:
[12:05] She had a 50.

Speaker 3:
[12:06] She had a V8? She took me out to see it.

Speaker 5:
[12:09] It was pretty beat, but yes.

Speaker 3:
[12:10] Was it Emily?

Speaker 5:
[12:11] It was not Emily.

Speaker 3:
[12:12] Emily's still got it.

Speaker 5:
[12:13] This was long ago.

Speaker 4:
[12:14] Oh, this was pre-Emily.

Speaker 3:
[12:16] Pre-Emily.

Speaker 5:
[12:17] Which I was surprised. So much so that I asked to walk her to her car. So I was like, not as a gentleman, but also so I could see. I wanted to see this.

Speaker 4:
[12:23] I remember when you told me that.

Speaker 3:
[12:25] I was 100%. You got to ask her to send us a picture so we can verify. This was a long time ago.

Speaker 4:
[12:28] I said it was an FX45, but I'll accept 50.

Speaker 3:
[12:30] I bet it was a badge job. I bet this girl up-badged her FX37.

Speaker 5:
[12:36] Definitely. That's exactly what people do.

Speaker 4:
[12:38] For sure.

Speaker 3:
[12:39] Okay. The other big Nissan story is that they're also returning with the Xterra, which I have been announcing on this podcast that they should have done and made a horrible mistake by not doing. You know, first I said that the Lincoln Bronco was coming. Then I said that the new Xterra was coming. Do you have a little bit of...

Speaker 4:
[12:53] You took this victory lap already months ago when they said they were coming out with this.

Speaker 3:
[12:56] I'm taking it again, baby!

Speaker 5:
[12:58] What else you got for us?

Speaker 3:
[12:59] What did they say about powertrains?

Speaker 4:
[13:01] All right. We know that it'll be a V6 and a V6 hybrid will be the powertrains, no four-cylinder Xterra. Oh, wow.

Speaker 3:
[13:07] They're like sticking the knife in Toyota. They're looking at Toyota having trouble selling $80,000 four-cylinder TRD Pro 4Runners. They're like, you know, we're going to give the people what they want.

Speaker 4:
[13:17] By the way, whereas the Q50, I think, will be coming out in 2027, this will be second half of 2028.

Speaker 3:
[13:23] Second half of 2028.

Speaker 4:
[13:23] This will come out and I'll do a lot.

Speaker 3:
[13:25] We're in the first half of 2026.

Speaker 4:
[13:27] Yeah, it's only, you know.

Speaker 3:
[13:29] So, okay, great.

Speaker 4:
[13:30] Two and a half years.

Speaker 3:
[13:30] Hey, two and a half years.

Speaker 4:
[13:32] But biologically, they showed a few teaser images. It looks like it will be very boxy and rugged looking and angular and kind of cool.

Speaker 3:
[13:40] One interesting thing I read was that it's going to be on the next generation Frontier architecture, which is shared with Mitsubishi. So the new Frontier just came out, but it wasn't ever new.

Speaker 4:
[13:50] New anymore.

Speaker 3:
[13:51] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[13:53] The Frontier is an interesting story where for a year they used the old body style, but an entirely new power trend. And then the next year they revealed the new body style.

Speaker 3:
[14:02] But even the new body, there was a lot of carryover.

Speaker 4:
[14:05] The interior was a carryover at this point.

Speaker 3:
[14:06] What's that?

Speaker 4:
[14:07] This was years ago.

Speaker 3:
[14:08] It was a few years ago. And by 28, which is now three more years in the future, the Frontier will feel even older. But if they do come back with a fully redesigned new good Frontier and a new Xterra, and they got a Skyline and a manual GTR, Nissan is doing it again. We're going to turn off the Nissan Death Watch.

Speaker 4:
[14:25] And, not yet. These cars got to come out.

Speaker 3:
[14:27] Yeah, they got to come out.

Speaker 5:
[14:28] All right, 2028s.

Speaker 3:
[14:29] We got to get there. They're going to be like a thirsty person in the desert trying to... XTERRA!

Speaker 4:
[14:36] I don't know if they had an Xterra that could have made it through the desert. By the way, the platform, which is shared with Mitsubishi, Mitsubishi has also started to tease the new Pajero Montero, which may come back to the US., which would be Mitsubishi's fundamentally re-entry into the US market.

Speaker 3:
[14:51] Jesus!

Speaker 4:
[14:52] So that would be an exciting kind of byproduct.

Speaker 3:
[14:54] Who said that? That was announced, that it may come back to the US.?

Speaker 4:
[14:57] Mitsubishi CEO has kind of started to tease it.

Speaker 3:
[14:59] Mitsubishi has a CEO, they still are around. It's not just like a group of people.

Speaker 5:
[15:02] It's not just Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

Speaker 3:
[15:04] Wait, can you pull up the final Montero, please, Pajero? Type in like 2020 Pajero. You know about this car, Filippo? I don't know that I do. You ever see him? They sell him in Mexico. Look at this, pull up this. Pull up this.

Speaker 5:
[15:18] I feel like I've seen this.

Speaker 3:
[15:19] Look at this. Now, this looks, in the States, they sold, beginning in 2003, they had...

Speaker 4:
[15:24] I love this gen.

Speaker 3:
[15:25] But there was a next gen, and they sold it, and I remember, I went to the Middle East, you know, out there. And you land there, and these are everywhere, and you're like, damn, really? This is still going.

Speaker 4:
[15:36] And by the way, how cool? We lost that in 2006, was the final year in the US.

Speaker 3:
[15:40] 2006 was the last year of the Montero. That's another example of a car that died just as the market for cars like it were heating up. The FJ Cruiser, the XTerra, and this all went away and said Ford and Ford Raptor and Toyota 4Runner have this. Jeep Wrangler, it's yours now. Take the wheel. Not that they were selling a lot of these back then anyway.

Speaker 5:
[16:00] No.

Speaker 3:
[16:01] Still, it is cool and it has 243 PS.

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Speaker 3:
[18:42] The last Nissan story is that they are coming out with a new Juke.

Speaker 5:
[18:47] It's better looking than the last one.

Speaker 4:
[18:48] I love the Juke. I love it.

Speaker 3:
[18:49] I loved the last one.

Speaker 4:
[18:51] The last one, by the way, it was not the one that was sold in the US. It was a generation before.

Speaker 3:
[18:55] There was. Yeah, that's true. There has been a Juke.

Speaker 5:
[18:58] I'm referring to USDM.

Speaker 3:
[19:00] We only talk USDM on this pod, unless otherwise specified. If we're going to talk WLTP, we'll have that conversation.

Speaker 5:
[19:07] I think this is like, it's funky.

Speaker 3:
[19:10] It fits in the mold of the Juke.

Speaker 5:
[19:12] Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3:
[19:12] Yeah. I have to say, you know, this is one of my big things that car enthusiasts complained about the Juke, and that's why we have boring cars. Like, car enthusiasts are like, there are so many boring cars! And Nissan comes out with the Juke, which is cool and fun. And they're like, that's ugly! And then, so then they cancel it and come out with more boring cars. That's why we have the kicks now. But I'm driving around, and the other day I saw a Corolla Cross, and I'm reminded, boy, that segment is boring. At least this, at least there's some fun.

Speaker 5:
[19:38] I also think now modern cars are so hideous that you can kind of do any shape you want. And I think it works. I think that's like, if I saw that driving down the road, I think that is cool and interesting and like, I'd be here for it. I don't want it.

Speaker 3:
[19:49] Imagine seeing it on 14 inch hubcaps, and they're all going to be silver, and this is going to be rental cars, but.

Speaker 5:
[19:54] That's exactly right.

Speaker 4:
[19:55] I don't believe it's coming to the US. I think it might be Europe only at the last, or Europe and other markets.

Speaker 3:
[19:59] Oh, what a law.

Speaker 4:
[20:00] And also same platform as the Leaf.

Speaker 3:
[20:03] Oh, it's going to be electric? How much WLTP do you think it'll have?

Speaker 4:
[20:07] Based on the Leaf, not a ton. WLTP for those listening is Europe's like EPA cycle for electric cars.

Speaker 3:
[20:13] And it's a lie.

Speaker 4:
[20:14] It's a little inflated.

Speaker 3:
[20:16] No, I'm glad you say that. Okay, next new story is the new Chevy Corvette Grand Sport. This is the biggest, we announced the Grand Sport on this podcast a couple of weeks ago. We announced, I mean Chevy announced and then we talked about it. New Grand Sport's coming back, they finally announced all the details. It's gonna have this new 6.7 liter V8, which is called the LS6.

Speaker 4:
[20:36] Every Corvette will, which I did not realize.

Speaker 3:
[20:38] That motor is also going into the Sting Sting, which is the base car. It's 535 horsepower. The current Sting Sting is 495.

Speaker 4:
[20:47] And by the way, the current Sting Ray, as normal people call it, are you aware that the current Sting Ray has a 2.9 second 0-60 time? And now we're adding 40 more horsepower?

Speaker 5:
[20:56] That's nuts.

Speaker 4:
[20:58] How is a regular Corvette that now costs $55,000 used, a 2.9 second 0-60 car?

Speaker 5:
[21:05] Dude, I'm telling you, because Tesla has democratized speed in every manufacturing industry.

Speaker 3:
[21:11] To me, this is one of the single greatest comeback stories in the history of the automobile. The C7, and I know you love it, and I know we sell them on the site, so I'll be charitable, the C7 had taken the Corvette ethos and platform and existence to kind of its conclusion. It was great, but like, it was still that group of people. The C8 has come, and it's the hottest car on the market. You realize the C8 has now been out for 6 years?

Speaker 5:
[21:39] Six years!

Speaker 3:
[21:40] It came out in the spring of 2020, right before COVID. Six years the C8 has been on sale.

Speaker 5:
[21:44] That's crazy, it's gone by that quickly. Wow, yeah, it is proliferating.

Speaker 3:
[21:47] It's still the coolest damn thing in the world, and they're still coming out with new variants that are still tremendously exciting. Like, this is a cool car. The other thing with the Grand Sport was that they announced pricing, which I don't have in front of me, do you?

Speaker 4:
[22:00] I do. The Grand Sport will start at $88,495 after delivery.

Speaker 3:
[22:07] And there's an all-wheel drive version, which is an e-Rey Grand Sport that's gonna be...

Speaker 4:
[22:12] Yep, and then you can also get a track-ready package on the Grand Sport, the track performance package, which has Grand Sport-specific chassis tuning, quad exhaust, carbon ceramic brakes, carbon fiber aero, which is $109 with that package.

Speaker 3:
[22:25] The Grand Sport's only $15 more than a base. Effectively, the Grand Sport is a wide body with some other upgrades and our cool little stripey's. You know who bought a C4 Grand Sport? It's StreetSpeed717.

Speaker 4:
[22:36] Really?

Speaker 3:
[22:36] He's doing a nationwide road trip in a C4 Grand Sport.

Speaker 5:
[22:40] He wanna swing by, say hello?

Speaker 3:
[22:41] He said, he said, I'm gonna bring it by San Diego, you wanna review it? And I was like, no, I'm gonna wait for him to show up on the site, probably cause I'll buy it. But I'm so jealous of him. It's my favorite Corvette of all time.

Speaker 5:
[22:52] Of all time.

Speaker 3:
[22:52] Of all time.

Speaker 5:
[22:53] More than the C2.

Speaker 3:
[22:56] After the C2.

Speaker 5:
[22:58] That's what I thought.

Speaker 3:
[23:00] New Grand Sport. Filippo, you're a resident Corvette man. You're excited about this or no?

Speaker 4:
[23:04] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:05] What do you mean?

Speaker 4:
[23:06] No, no, I am legitimately fed by it.

Speaker 3:
[23:07] To me, this is the Corvette to have. The Grand Sport always is. The ZR1 are awesome, but they're not practically faster than this car. On a day-to-day use the car speed basis, you will never experience the difference. This looks like a Z06. It has the Z06 body. It has the cool stripey's. It's like a limited production cool car, but you're still not in a base Corvette. You're still in something special. This is the one that you will end up with an 18.

Speaker 4:
[23:32] No, I will end up with an X.

Speaker 3:
[23:34] An X that all-wheel drive.

Speaker 4:
[23:35] Well, a hybrid.

Speaker 3:
[23:37] A hybrid.

Speaker 5:
[23:38] Shoots for here.

Speaker 4:
[23:39] No, no, that's what I'm shooting for.

Speaker 3:
[23:42] The hybrid, the story of the C8 that isn't told is that the best C8 that exists is the hybrids, but no one wants any part of them.

Speaker 5:
[23:50] Right. No respect.

Speaker 4:
[23:51] Agreed.

Speaker 3:
[23:52] They don't get enough respect, but they are four-wheel drive. They'd launch incredibly fast. An e-ray is like as fast as a Z06, right?

Speaker 4:
[23:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:58] Yeah. So these are cool. I'm pumped. And it's not that expensive. Dude, the C8, absolute killer.

Speaker 4:
[24:04] It is a killer.

Speaker 5:
[24:05] Moving on to something a little bit, this is a completely different end of the automotive spectrum. This is the Rolls-Royce Nightingale. Now, a couple of weeks ago...

Speaker 3:
[24:14] This looks cool. It looks cool. Can I get one of these or is this a one-off?

Speaker 5:
[24:18] Well, no, they're going to drive a hundred of these. Thirty of them are coming to the United States. The orders have already been fulfilled, so unfortunately you can't have one. But this is part of the Rolls-Royce Coachbuilt collection that we talked about a couple of weeks ago. The first one they're rolling out. So based on the Spector platform, it's going to have probably at least the same 577 horsepower and stuff like that. But the crazy thing to me is it's 18.9 feet long and just like the new 911 GT3 S-C, seats two people. Oh, it's a two-seater!

Speaker 3:
[24:46] That's 228 inches long. That's longer than a Suburban.

Speaker 5:
[24:49] Yeah, it's electric. It's also as long as the Phantom, and it is electric, yes.

Speaker 3:
[24:53] It's full electric. Yep.

Speaker 5:
[24:55] I mean, I also...

Speaker 3:
[24:56] This is so cool.

Speaker 5:
[24:57] It is so cool. I also want to make the point. BMW, this is how you integrate a big grill. The grill is three feet wide. Is it really? But it works perfectly.

Speaker 3:
[25:08] You know, Rolls-Royce is benefiting greatly from electrification because they're able to make these different bodies of cars. They don't have to worry about, oh, this is a completely new model, new powertrain we got to go through. They do seem like they're just sort of iterating from a design and style perspective off an existing chassis that's going to go great for them. Because this is based on the Spectre, I assume.

Speaker 5:
[25:30] Correct, yes. And you hit the nail exactly on the head. And I would not be surprised if other luxury manufacturers, Bentley in particular, copies this idea. Because it makes a lot of sense. If you just have a skateboard, put whatever body you want on it.

Speaker 4:
[25:40] Right, they're actually seizing on the opportunity that EVs give because you don't need to place an engine, you don't need to route anything, you just have a battery and some motors and the wheels and you're done.

Speaker 5:
[25:48] Well, let's be honest. The luxury car experience is not really depend... This true luxury car experience is not dependent on the engine. You want smoothness, quiet and power, but actually the less vibration makes it in the cabin, the better.

Speaker 3:
[26:00] I'm reading here that Nightingale, the name of the vehicle, is named for Le Rossignol, which means the Nightingale in French and was a house on Henry Royce's winter property on the French Riviera. Are you aware of that? In addition, and this is my favorite thing, this is from the press release, there is a lighting treatment inside the car with 10,000 illuminated stars and the dazzling of the lighting, like the rhythm of the lighting, is inspired by the rhythm of a Nightingale's song.

Speaker 4:
[26:34] They can't have the starliner because there's no fixed roof.

Speaker 5:
[26:37] Because the stars from God.

Speaker 3:
[26:39] Does this car not have any roof at all? There's no roof that rolls up? I haven't seen a picture with a roof on it.

Speaker 4:
[26:44] I did see a picture with a roof on it.

Speaker 3:
[26:46] It's a Barchetta!

Speaker 5:
[26:48] Do you have the Rolls Royce custom?

Speaker 3:
[26:49] This is cool though, this is damn cool.

Speaker 5:
[26:52] Like I said, I really hope that more luxury manufacturers do this and I'm curious what the other cars that will end up in this CoachBoat collection end up looking like.

Speaker 3:
[26:59] You know, I was ready to write Rolls Royce off about seven years ago, maybe nine, and they keep coming out with products that just are appealing. The Phantom 8 was cool, the Cullinan made it, continued the situation. He doesn't think there should be a lesser Cullinan, it's insane. But then they came out with Spectre which is great, and now they've got these one-offs that come out every so often that all seem to look pretty cool. And there was the Boattail which I'm obsessed with. Boattails. But this is sort of that.

Speaker 5:
[27:24] It is very that. This is very Vila Dest-y. You can see it cruising around there.

Speaker 3:
[27:28] But I think there are a lot of random rainstorms there. Yeah, it would be hard.

Speaker 5:
[27:32] It would be hard, but I can see people wanting to do it.

Speaker 3:
[27:34] They do have a parking garage at Vila Dest, so you can park this in.

Speaker 5:
[27:37] I parked in one of the parking garages, there are three parking garages.

Speaker 4:
[27:39] Can I ask you a question? So obviously there's a very long vehicle, with nothing, with the doubt seats. Do you think there's a huge trunk? Like do you think that they made the trunk go all the way through to the rear of the front seats? I bet not. That'd be large, that'd be a lot of golf clubs. A lot of body.

Speaker 5:
[27:53] Yeah, for just two people.

Speaker 3:
[27:55] Yep, no trunk at all.

Speaker 1:
[27:56] Right?

Speaker 4:
[27:58] It is handy.

Speaker 5:
[27:59] Actually, I wonder like what's up front? I mean, if it's electric, maybe it is like a box, there are two trunks.

Speaker 3:
[28:06] Probably not though. Probably not. That thing is cool, 100 units, do we have any idea what it costs?

Speaker 5:
[28:10] No, they haven't really, they've been cagey about it, but everybody's assuming over a million, which would make it.

Speaker 3:
[28:15] Over a million?

Speaker 5:
[28:18] We're only building 130 of them are coming here.

Speaker 3:
[28:20] I just put it in AI and they're saying 6 million, which seems like a lot.

Speaker 5:
[28:23] Yeah, well AI, never wrong.

Speaker 3:
[28:25] I'm ready to do, I'm ready to drop 250 on this card today.

Speaker 5:
[28:29] That's great.

Speaker 3:
[28:30] That's what it's gonna depreciate to in 10 years.

Speaker 4:
[28:34] You think?

Speaker 5:
[28:34] I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[28:36] These cards don't depreciate.

Speaker 3:
[28:37] Yeah, what about, have you ever seen a Rolls-Royce Camargue? Pull that up.

Speaker 5:
[28:42] You're gonna need to spell that one for me there buddy. Yeah, Rolls-Royce Camargue.

Speaker 3:
[28:48] This was the Project Nightingale of its era. Yeah, that's it. You ever see one of these? Pull up images.

Speaker 4:
[28:54] But I also haven't seen one.

Speaker 3:
[28:56] Tap on that ready over there.

Speaker 5:
[28:57] That one?

Speaker 3:
[28:58] Yeah, yeah, that one. This car, I'm not joking. This was like a half million, $600,000 car in its era. And now, I mean, if you can find someone to buy yours, you're lucky, at like a $9,200 used car value.

Speaker 5:
[29:16] You got a point. How many of these have they built?

Speaker 3:
[29:18] Camargue was built for 11 years, and they only made 531.

Speaker 5:
[29:23] Demand limited. Massive success.

Speaker 3:
[29:24] Not only was it hand-built, it was built slowly. Now, this car was designed by an Italian, and it sort of goes against my theory that Italians design all beautiful cars.

Speaker 5:
[29:37] You know what? But they designed so many, we can give them the Camargue.

Speaker 3:
[29:40] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[29:40] Horrible name, too, my lord.

Speaker 3:
[29:42] Yeah, no, it was not a good situation.

Speaker 5:
[29:43] But this is cool, and maybe it becomes like the Camargue, but for now, I think that it is just so cool. Wheel treatment, I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[29:53] All right, next story, please. Oh, okay, I want to talk about this. This is a very important news story. Sean's all upset about it. The Chrysler Pacifica Off-Road version. Apparently, they debuted at SEMA a few months ago, but they just showed it again at the New York Auto Show. And I've always said that I want what I want is an off-road bird, but that also can carry a lot of people. And here this is, and I was thinking, if they made this, this is exactly what I'm looking for, except that it's a Stellantis product. So what I'm hoping is, this is what I'm hoping, that they take all of the stuff and give it to Toyota.

Speaker 4:
[30:29] But then it would, would it be reliable though?

Speaker 3:
[30:31] No, I don't want them to take the Pacifica apart. Just take all the off-road equipment and everything and bring it over to Toyota. That's my thought of the day on this.

Speaker 4:
[30:40] Maybe the facelifted Pacifica, which is only facelifted in certain trims, will be more reliable.

Speaker 3:
[30:45] Do you think it's interesting that these automakers are teasing high-performance minivans and teasing off-road minivans, but no one's, or teasing luxury minivans, but no one is really willing to step up the plate on these things. They're like going a little down that road, the Sienna Woodland, but no one's really willing to give us the Hellcat van we want. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 4:
[31:08] No, I'm not surprised. What's the question? I'm not sure. I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3:
[31:12] You don't think people would buy it?

Speaker 4:
[31:13] I don't. I think they would have to do a fair amount of engineering to fit a V8, period, into a Pacifica. No other manufacturer that sells any of these has a V8. First of all, it's worth noting. Honda's gonna have a V8, Toyota's gonna have a V8, and more.

Speaker 3:
[31:27] But that's my point. They all tease it.

Speaker 4:
[31:29] Nobody's teasing it but Chrysler.

Speaker 5:
[31:31] But do you think?

Speaker 3:
[31:31] No, Toyota teased an off-road Sienna at CMA a couple years ago, like a true build. And several of the brands have teased performance minivans.

Speaker 4:
[31:39] Those exist.

Speaker 5:
[31:39] I'll just acquia. Do you think they looked at the R63 and went, wow, that was a failure, because they only built 300 of them or whatever and were like, okay, we're not going to do that.

Speaker 3:
[31:46] But the R63, I want to get a Hellcat Pacifica that is also an off-roader.

Speaker 4:
[31:52] I mean, that'd be cool.

Speaker 5:
[31:54] It sounds like you're just going to go, give me all of that, whatever. I want it all and I want it now.

Speaker 3:
[32:01] It's like a dream, honestly.

Speaker 5:
[32:02] Move on.

Speaker 3:
[32:03] Are we done with news, hopefully? No. Get out of here. There's a Magma GV60.

Speaker 4:
[32:08] Can we talk about this though? Lucid has a new CEO.

Speaker 3:
[32:11] Lucid has a new CEO, which has got to be their third CEO in 18 months.

Speaker 4:
[32:15] The last one was an interim. We're good. His name is Silvio Napoli. He is most recently in charge of the Schindler Group, which makes elevators.

Speaker 5:
[32:27] Oh, yes. Not lists.

Speaker 4:
[32:28] No. No. Elevators. Different.

Speaker 3:
[32:33] They got the CEO from a Schindler Group.

Speaker 4:
[32:35] He's well known in the elevator industry for really growing and modernizing that brand and making it quite successful. One of the top elevator companies.

Speaker 3:
[32:45] I don't want to. I looked into this story a little before. I don't want to toot the man's horn too much, but he debuted while working for the Schindler Elevator Group, the elevator that opens in the front and the back. Previous to this man, Powley or whatever. All the elevators open front and sometimes these buildings would be like, you know what would be nice if it could open the freight side, could open the back and all the other elevator companies. It's like the minivans before the 96 Chrysler. They all said, it's not possible.

Speaker 5:
[33:15] But Paoli or whatever his name is.

Speaker 3:
[33:18] He came in and he said, we can do it.

Speaker 5:
[33:21] He said, you know what, give them doors. Give them doors.

Speaker 3:
[33:24] And you know what else he did? The glass elevator. Before him, all the windows were enclosed.

Speaker 4:
[33:30] Did he do the wand from Willy Wonka that flies out?

Speaker 5:
[33:33] Yeah, well the safety thing.

Speaker 4:
[33:34] That's a little too fun for the cliff.

Speaker 3:
[33:37] Can I tell you, you're saying that they hired this guy because he has a reputation for right sizing. Can I tell you the actual reason they hired this guy? Because no one in the automotive industry wants this job. And they figured, hey, elevators have wheels and pulleys and belts, it's close enough.

Speaker 4:
[33:52] No, they've been pretty upfront that he doesn't have any auto industry experience directly.

Speaker 3:
[33:57] Yeah, I'm sure they've been upfront about that.

Speaker 4:
[33:59] But he has a strong track record in manufacturing, operational discipline, and capital allocation, so.

Speaker 3:
[34:06] God, what a ridiculous. We are going to allocate half our money to the double-doored elevator.

Speaker 4:
[34:11] No, basically, they needed somebody that they think can maybe bring some growth, but also drive profitability in a way that they have so unprofitable.

Speaker 3:
[34:20] Is this person going to live in California or is he going to live in Zurich?

Speaker 4:
[34:23] They live in Zurich for some amount of time until they have a visa that allows them to move to the US. None, unlike your bit here, none of that is made up, that is all factually accurate. He also gets two company cars and a million dollars in relocation expenses.

Speaker 3:
[34:37] A million in reload and he's going to drive around in this minivan.

Speaker 5:
[34:41] And with the license plate elevator.

Speaker 3:
[34:43] Elevator.

Speaker 4:
[34:44] I'm excited for Lucid in that they absolutely need somebody to drive the company in a way that is in any way sustainable. Part of this is an additional infusion of capital from the Saudis, but they got to at some point make money.

Speaker 3:
[34:56] Wasn't it Lucid who we were making fun of for releasing those cars, like teasing those new models and saying this is for like the female?

Speaker 4:
[35:06] That is him. That is them.

Speaker 3:
[35:07] Well, this is going to go great. Alright, I want to move on to the Talk Cars segment. The Talk Cars segment today is sponsored by Filippo's 997 Targa.

Speaker 4:
[35:17] Oh, thank you.

Speaker 3:
[35:18] Yeah, Filippo's 997 Targa. It talks cars.

Speaker 4:
[35:23] Yeah, all day. I sat in four hours of traffic yesterday afternoon. I think great.

Speaker 3:
[35:28] Is that part of your Talk Cars?

Speaker 4:
[35:30] No, because I don't want to relive it. Bad enough. At one point, it was on through Camp Pendleton, where you can't, there's no exit. But I did have, I was in traffic for so long, I stopped at the rest area. Leaving the rest area took an additional 30 minutes.

Speaker 3:
[35:43] Well, why did you stop?

Speaker 5:
[35:43] Why did you stop?

Speaker 3:
[35:44] It's insane.

Speaker 4:
[35:45] Sometimes you just use a...

Speaker 5:
[35:46] Well, sitting there, not doing something, you needed a break from that. So you pulled into the rest area.

Speaker 4:
[35:50] You're in traffic for a long time. You're looking at the ocean the whole way. You could use the restroom at some point. Also, I don't think it was slower than other traffic, but it was...

Speaker 5:
[35:57] Let me tell you, we don't stop.

Speaker 3:
[35:58] We don't stop. If you're going somewhere, you go somewhere.

Speaker 5:
[36:01] I agree with this wholeheartedly, especially coming back from Los Angeles.

Speaker 3:
[36:03] You're lucky you got to see Phil Chung last night. You almost missed him.

Speaker 4:
[36:07] Shout out Phil Chung.

Speaker 3:
[36:08] I want to tell a little story here, all right? You ready for the story?

Speaker 4:
[36:12] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[36:13] You know what the story is?

Speaker 4:
[36:14] No.

Speaker 3:
[36:14] But you see it in the thing, and you're curious.

Speaker 4:
[36:16] Doesn't give me any information, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3:
[36:17] All right, I got a story. Buckle up. I was last week, I was in Washington, DC., the nation's capital.

Speaker 4:
[36:24] Indeed.

Speaker 3:
[36:25] All right, all the buildings are there. They have the Lincoln Memorial, and they have all that other stuff.

Speaker 4:
[36:29] Did you see the ballroom?

Speaker 3:
[36:31] No, it's being erected. But I've been by where the previous part was destroyed.

Speaker 4:
[36:35] Right.

Speaker 3:
[36:36] And now they've got a new big thing coming.

Speaker 4:
[36:37] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[36:38] Anyway, I was in Washington, DC., and my best friend lives there, my best friend, Melissa.

Speaker 4:
[36:43] Shout out, Melissa.

Speaker 3:
[36:43] Shout out. And in Washington there, she drives a 2013 Kia Sportage. And because it's a Kia, it has been attempted to be stolen several times. And so it no longer has a driver's side door handle, which was ripped off by an attempted thief. The keys all had to be re-keyed then, and there's one key for the door and one key for the ignition, like a GM car from the 80s.

Speaker 4:
[37:12] It's true, my key is special too.

Speaker 3:
[37:14] So this is, and this thing, I mean, this thing is rough. Like it is the roughest, like it hasn't been washed in years. One time a construction fence fell on it and then scraped down the side. So it looks like one of the X-Men Wolverine, like, you know, grabbed down the side of it. I mean, this is the roughest thing you're gonna get. Okay, plastic steering wheel, backup camera, because it's required by law. I mean, we're on that level, right? This is like the most basic rough car.

Speaker 4:
[37:37] I'm also friends with Melissa. Last time I was there, I replaced her taillight bulbs.

Speaker 3:
[37:40] I get in the car, and there's a Minikee oil change, and it says, get your next oil change in September of 25 at $104,000. And I look, and it's March 26th, and it's $108,000. And I'm like, oh, God, it's like $49 bucks to change oil in this piece of crap. Anyway, so I'm driving along in their DC there, and I'm going to stop light, and a guy looks over in one of your station rack, and he's like, Doug? And I was thinking, Melissa and I had often joked about, because I get recognized everywhere all the time, and especially at car, like with context clues, it's very easy to recognize. If I'm at a car meet, it's Doug. If I'm walking around, you know, a neighborhood, maybe that's Doug. If I'm driving a 2013 Kia Sportage in Washington, DC, you're probably thinking, what? Wait a minute. And the guy actually recognized me. And he was like, I bought my station wagon because of you. Wow. He said, it's great. And I said, I really should be driving one of those right now. And then he drove off. And I thought to myself, what a great experience for this guy. He's going to wonder for the rest of his life why Doug DeMuro's driving a Kia Sportage. With no door handle around DC. Yeah, like a really bad example of one.

Speaker 5:
[39:02] You had always joked about like driving and not being recognized. Something that you blend in. There's no car you can blend into.

Speaker 3:
[39:06] I've been driving that Kia Sportage in Washington, DC when I go to visit her. Twice, two, three times a year, I go to visit her for six years and no one has ever recognized me in the car. And I've always joked with her about like, what if someone saw me get out of this thing? It'd be so embarrassing. And then this guy is there. Anyway, the sad part of the story, there's a sad ending. He found me on Instagram and sent me a DM and then I sent him a DM and explained. And so now he won't go through the rest of life wondering. He actually has the explanation.

Speaker 4:
[39:37] Was his DM, why were you driving this?

Speaker 3:
[39:39] He literally was like, someday I'd love to learn why I saw you in the middle of the street trying to kiss Sporty.

Speaker 5:
[39:46] Well, I'm glad you responded and didn't torture him because you could have just let him.

Speaker 3:
[39:49] Right, I could have just been like, I don't know what you're talking about, I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 4:
[39:53] Testament to that Kia Sportage is reliability, because that car has been through something.

Speaker 3:
[39:56] Every time I go there I'm like, I want to buy you a new car, I want to do that to you, you deserve it, I'm ready to do it. But every time I'm in it I'm like, it's not quite bad enough. Even though you put the club on the steering wheel.

Speaker 4:
[40:08] The club.

Speaker 3:
[40:10] Well, you don't have to get stolen. If you have a Kia Hyundai from that era, you have to use that.

Speaker 4:
[40:16] Especially for the base one that doesn't have the... Right, yeah. It was never actually stolen, though, right?

Speaker 3:
[40:21] It was never stolen.

Speaker 4:
[40:23] So she doesn't need the club?

Speaker 3:
[40:24] Several groups attempted. The car was in Chicago before that and there was a theft attempted there.

Speaker 5:
[40:29] And now it looks so bad no one goes anywhere near it.

Speaker 3:
[40:31] Well, you know, the thing that I'd like her to do and then I've tried to push her to do is cover up the badges because like a Soul you know is a Kia, but those little crossovers...

Speaker 4:
[40:39] The Korean market.

Speaker 3:
[40:41] No, she shouldn't do that. Like one of the Tutor kids at a Genesis Coupe, but like literally a piece of black electrical tape over the badges, I think would stop any theft attempts because how do you know? You don't know, you know, you're driving around looking for a badge.

Speaker 4:
[40:54] Don't you want it to get stolen?

Speaker 3:
[40:55] I would.

Speaker 4:
[40:56] At some point of transition too, I actively want this car to be stolen.

Speaker 3:
[40:59] We would park it and she'd be like, let's put the club on. And I'd be like, well, what if we didn't this time?

Speaker 4:
[41:04] It's OK. It's like when I used to park my Ford Focus at the edge of blocks in Baltimore where there were frequently accidents and just hoping that somebody would hit it.

Speaker 5:
[41:13] And did it ever get hit?

Speaker 4:
[41:14] Sadly, no.

Speaker 3:
[41:15] No, we sold that Ford Focus on Craig's List.

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Speaker 3:
[43:40] Okay, I want to move on to Kennan's talking about the 986, please.

Speaker 5:
[43:43] Yes, so I have some big news. So recently I sold my SL65 on the site, did quite well. And since then, I've had a bunch of my friends reach out and say, you know, congratulations, everybody's been very nice, including you guys. But I had a couple of friends reach out and say, can you help me sell my car? So I've decided to help my friend Brian sell his. It's sitting behind Doug. He has a 986 Boxster S, 03 Boxster S, 6 feet manual.

Speaker 3:
[44:03] It's live right now?

Speaker 5:
[44:04] It's not live right now, but it will be very short. When this podcast is out, it will be live. We're recording this today before it goes live.

Speaker 3:
[44:10] Look at these pictures.

Speaker 5:
[44:11] Yeah. So our resident photographer, Nick Stafford, took these photos and my God, are they spectacular. But the car is wonderful, too. Comes with an unbelievable amount of service documentation. Brian is so particular that his spreadsheet and documentation made me feel embarrassed. I just went back to my M5 and revised how I do things to make it a little bit tighter.

Speaker 4:
[44:31] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[44:32] So in other words, if you're getting a 986, this is the one.

Speaker 5:
[44:34] This is kind of the one. Yeah, it's lovely. And you should go check it out on the cars and the bids there.

Speaker 3:
[44:40] Kennan is presenting a vehicle.

Speaker 5:
[44:43] Yes, I am doing all the presentation on this going through my account.

Speaker 3:
[44:45] Kennan is great at presenting a vehicle. His SL, he did an amazing job. His Ferrari did an amazing job. Kennan knows how to present a car for sale on carsandbids.com. Are you selling it under your username?

Speaker 5:
[44:56] Yes, it's going under my username. I'm handling the whole thing, so if you ask questions, I'm the one who's handling all of that.

Speaker 3:
[45:00] Pull up that SL.

Speaker 5:
[45:01] Yeah, the SL65.

Speaker 3:
[45:03] This is how you present a vehicle.

Speaker 4:
[45:05] You have to clean the license plate.

Speaker 3:
[45:07] Pull up Filippo's Fiat 500.

Speaker 4:
[45:10] Hey, Kennan, you want to help me sell a car?

Speaker 3:
[45:12] Click on that and then pop down to the known flaws. Oh boy, the curb rash is just...

Speaker 5:
[45:16] You always pick the side that has the most curb rashes, the elite image there, Filippo.

Speaker 3:
[45:22] He did pick the side that has the least curb rash.

Speaker 5:
[45:25] You know, this list feels like a little short.

Speaker 4:
[45:28] No, no, it's just very general.

Speaker 3:
[45:29] Very general. The car is bad.

Speaker 5:
[45:32] You know what, we have a special caveat for really bad cars that really underscores people need to do their doot toots.

Speaker 4:
[45:37] I consider adding that myself, because the writer didn't.

Speaker 3:
[45:39] I thought about it. But Kennan is Boxster-esque, Kennan represents cars well. I'm excited to see how that goes, Kennan, and excited to see what the Kennan Touch does.

Speaker 5:
[45:47] Me too, and it's a lovely car. I have a film out about it now that I did with our friend Sam. We compared it to the 981 Boxster Spyder. I've got one more coming out where I talk about how much it cost to go through this because it has all documents.

Speaker 3:
[45:57] Oh yeah, that would be interesting.

Speaker 5:
[45:58] Because it has documentation back to the very first owner. It's got all of it.

Speaker 3:
[46:01] We all agree that that 986 Boxster S is a pretty good bargain in today's world. If you consider it as just a fun toss it around kind of car.

Speaker 5:
[46:08] They are so much fun if you have no ego. I think that car, if you're looking to spend that kind of money, like 20, 30 grand for a really, really perfect one, it delivers the driving experience so well. It's just so balanced and fun.

Speaker 3:
[46:21] I love the trans, I love the shifter, I love the weight balance, it's so good.

Speaker 5:
[46:24] So good.

Speaker 3:
[46:25] Something for you to think about. Yeah. Okay, you want to talk about... What do you got?

Speaker 4:
[46:29] So, it should be live right now as you guys are listening, but we have a behind the scenes VIP experience alongside the American Brain Tumor Association and One Lap of America, Brock Yates, Tyraq, One Lap of America. I will be... It's not an event, yet. There's a charity auction with person who's going to the A-B-T-A, where I will be at one of the final events of One Lap of America. Filippo? It's May, and we'll get to do some parade laughs and we'll get to do dinner. So check it out.

Speaker 5:
[46:58] Oh, yes, yes, yes. You're doing... Because last year we helped someone from Coinbase sell their car, right?

Speaker 4:
[47:04] Correct. So last year I went on track and a Mini Cooper had a little spin.

Speaker 3:
[47:08] A little spin.

Speaker 5:
[47:09] We all recall the spin.

Speaker 4:
[47:10] And then he sold it on the other site. He this year is doing One Lap of America again in a V70R Spaceball.

Speaker 3:
[47:15] Oh, wow.

Speaker 5:
[47:16] Wow, that's more you, Carl.

Speaker 3:
[47:17] That is ambitious.

Speaker 4:
[47:18] And I'm joining for one of the final stages. And then we will actually, so please check out the charity auction and consider bidding. And then we will actually also have a Cars and Coffee alongside Tyrac after the end of One Lap of America. More to come on that.

Speaker 3:
[47:31] Do we know which one you're going to be at?

Speaker 4:
[47:33] I will be at Black Hawk Farms for that race.

Speaker 3:
[47:36] Which race is it? Where is that?

Speaker 4:
[47:37] It's in Illinois.

Speaker 3:
[47:39] Illinois?

Speaker 4:
[47:39] Right outside of Chicago.

Speaker 3:
[47:40] Wow, look at you. Are you going with Ryan Lopez?

Speaker 4:
[47:43] I haven't decided who I'm inviting.

Speaker 3:
[47:44] But you agree, Ryan Lopez is an ancestral home of Chicago.

Speaker 4:
[47:48] Should we go to Chicago? Yeah, let's go.

Speaker 3:
[47:50] Ryan Lopez is going with Filippo.

Speaker 4:
[47:52] Thank you for putting this up. Please do check out the charity auction for a great cause. And if you are in the South Bend area, come to our Cars and Coffee.

Speaker 3:
[48:01] Or in the Midwest in general.

Speaker 4:
[48:04] South Bend area is anywhere.

Speaker 3:
[48:05] I'm sure as this gets closer, we will hype it up even more. We're going to hype this up like crazy. If you're in the Midwest, don't add it to your calendars yet. We will tell you.

Speaker 4:
[48:13] We will tell you when.

Speaker 3:
[48:13] Again and again and again. Okay, next up we got to move on to the market report. The market report is sponsored to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids, it makes you remember why Facebook Marketplace is terrible.

Speaker 5:
[48:27] You know there is something to that.

Speaker 3:
[48:30] I got a Facebook Marketplace story for next week.

Speaker 4:
[48:33] Yeah, you do. Save the net. Let it fester a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[48:37] Okay.

Speaker 4:
[48:39] Can I mention two events before we dive in to the actual report?

Speaker 3:
[48:41] Okay, fine.

Speaker 4:
[48:41] Alright, event number one, this very Saturday, tomorrow when you're listening to this, we will be alongside Avant at the Avant pit stop at the Long Beach Grand Prix. If you are signing up, make sure to use code CARSANDBIDS underscore VIP so that they know that we sent you. I will be there personally.

Speaker 3:
[48:59] You're gonna be in Long Beach?

Speaker 4:
[49:01] I will be in Long Beach for this event.

Speaker 3:
[49:02] Are you bringing the pizza?

Speaker 4:
[49:04] Sean and Ryan, I have tasked with bringing the pizza.

Speaker 3:
[49:06] It better be good. Producer Sean and Ryan Lopez will be there. Air conditioning Ryan Lopez.

Speaker 5:
[49:10] They very ponchously said, you're welcome.

Speaker 3:
[49:12] And it's not inside the race.

Speaker 4:
[49:15] Correct.

Speaker 3:
[49:15] So you can attend this without actually going to the race. Is that the deal?

Speaker 4:
[49:18] Yep. So check it out. carsbids.com/events. You can learn more. And make sure you use our code.

Speaker 3:
[49:23] You're gonna meet Ryan Lopez.

Speaker 4:
[49:26] And Sean.

Speaker 5:
[49:26] And producer Sean.

Speaker 3:
[49:27] And producer Sean.

Speaker 5:
[49:29] His first name is actually Flesh.

Speaker 4:
[49:30] Producer. It's really weird.

Speaker 3:
[49:33] Tomorrow people in Long Beach. If you're in LA, you do not have anything better to do than go meet Filippo, Sean, and Ryan at this Avant's Pit Stop, Cars and Bids underscore VIP. You're gonna get pizza. Ryan Lopez is going to bring you pizza. He looks so enthused.

Speaker 4:
[49:48] He will personally feed you a slice.

Speaker 5:
[49:50] He looks pretty ill. You're right there.

Speaker 3:
[49:52] Okay. What's our other event?

Speaker 4:
[49:53] The other event is at the end of May. We are partnering with the Velocity Invitational, which is a huge car event at Sonoma Raceway. We're going to have our first ever live auction. So we're going to be bringing a bunch of cars to Velocity. We'll have cars there. I will be there, as will a bunch of other people from our team. And you can bid online. You can be there in person, check out the car, and we'll help you bid there.

Speaker 5:
[50:13] So to be clear, it's not, you're not going to have a British auctioneer do it in person.

Speaker 4:
[50:16] No.

Speaker 5:
[50:16] No.

Speaker 3:
[50:16] Instead, the cars are going to be live right there, and Filippo's going to get up and go, Hey buddy, buddy, buddy!

Speaker 5:
[50:22] Have it, have it, have it. I owe a soul to that.

Speaker 4:
[50:24] The cars will speak for themselves. It includes an Alfa Romeo TZ that...

Speaker 5:
[50:28] The cars will speak for themselves.

Speaker 4:
[50:30] You like that?

Speaker 3:
[50:30] Filippo is so corporate on that.

Speaker 4:
[50:33] We'll have an Alfa Romeo TZ that Doug reviewed that will also be there, and we'll have a bunch of other really cool cars.

Speaker 3:
[50:37] This was the coolest thing I've ever driven in my entire life. What we should be auctioning is rides in the TZ1. It would change people's lives. People go in thinking, Oh, I need to get a new car for my wife and a crossover rev for her. They'll come out thinking, I need to sell my house for a TZ1.

Speaker 4:
[50:55] That's what it's worth.

Speaker 3:
[50:55] Okay, so you can also rent your own car.

Speaker 4:
[50:58] So we do still have a couple of spots left for cars to be there in person. So there'll be a link in the description below. If you want to learn more, submit your car for that event. Reach out there.

Speaker 3:
[51:08] This is at Sonoma.

Speaker 4:
[51:09] Also come hang out. If you use code, our code, code this, when you check out for a ticket, you can also get 10% off. So I'm excited to see you there for our first ever like large event that includes an auction.

Speaker 3:
[51:20] Have you ever been to Sonoma?

Speaker 4:
[51:22] No.

Speaker 3:
[51:23] This is a great experience. Are you going to do some wine tasting?

Speaker 5:
[51:25] That's right.

Speaker 4:
[51:25] You should.

Speaker 5:
[51:26] You should absolutely take some time out and do that.

Speaker 4:
[51:28] The week after this event, like I will come back from this event on like Monday, and on Tuesday, I go to Italy for two weeks. So I'm going to save my wine.

Speaker 3:
[51:36] You know what? Can I make a suggestion? Go to Healdsburg. You don't need to go to Italy. Am I right? Healdsburg, shout out. Sean is like, yeah, I love Healdsburg. Spent a week there one night. All right. It's just Sean, he keeps interjecting, you know?

Speaker 5:
[51:53] I know. I wish you all could see this. He just keeps popping up from behind his computer screen. It is like a groundhog on the prayer.

Speaker 4:
[52:00] So all that said, I am incredibly excited about our event there. If you have a really cool special car that you want to present alongside the Alfa Romeo TZ and a bunch of other really cool cars that we have lined up, let us know and just we'll hopefully see you there if you're in the Bay Area or if you want to travel.

Speaker 3:
[52:15] Okay, we got to move on now to the market report. The market report is brought to you by Kennan's Wastefulness. Kennan uses plastic cups. I know. Do you believe that? You supplied them.

Speaker 4:
[52:27] They're left over from the van.

Speaker 3:
[52:28] Filippo uses this glass cup from a company that sponsored us many years ago.

Speaker 4:
[52:33] Yeah, I re-used it to reduce the cycle.

Speaker 5:
[52:35] I lost my water bottle today.

Speaker 4:
[52:37] We have glass cups.

Speaker 3:
[52:38] The silver one?

Speaker 5:
[52:39] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[52:40] It's an icon of the pod. Where'd it go?

Speaker 5:
[52:42] I know. I'll have to get another one.

Speaker 3:
[52:43] MarketPort is actually sponsored by Cars and Bids, which is this great website. What else do I say?

Speaker 4:
[52:48] carsandbids.com.

Speaker 3:
[52:49] carsandbids.com! There's an app!

Speaker 4:
[52:52] It's a really good app.

Speaker 5:
[52:53] For iPhone only, but Android.

Speaker 4:
[52:54] Android's coming real soon.

Speaker 3:
[52:55] I want to talk about Mercedes-Benz coupes, which are causing me some stress.

Speaker 5:
[52:59] Which one specifically?

Speaker 3:
[53:00] In the history of life, what happens after a Mercedes-Benz coupe is sold new? Tell me.

Speaker 4:
[53:05] It depreciates by about 80%.

Speaker 3:
[53:06] It depreciates to zero. Okay, what does a C140 cost? Nothing. Right. Well, that seems to not be the case anymore. Can you pull up the S65?

Speaker 4:
[53:17] Are they retaining value?

Speaker 3:
[53:18] Filippo, this is a 12-year-old S65. It just sold for $76,000.

Speaker 4:
[53:25] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[53:26] It's a low mileage car. It's nice, etc. I'm astonished at this number. Astonished. In addition, we just sold it AMG GT. Now, this is the thing that's really upsetting to me. AMG GTs, we have talked a lot on this pod. They're getting cheaper. They're going to get cheap. Someday, there'll be bargains in the 40s. They're not. They're just not. This is a pretty standard early AMG GT. It's an S. I think all the 16s are Ss. It's a low mile car, but otherwise, it's a pretty standard early car. First model year, still selling for 70. We all hoped, we watched them go like this, and we all hoped that someday these would be 36. And it's just not happening all that quickly.

Speaker 4:
[54:06] I kind of get it. The AMG GT, I was up next to one on the highway the other day. It looks so special and exotic. In a way that for 50 grand, it's kind of a deal.

Speaker 3:
[54:17] Even this one at 51, how many miles were on this car?

Speaker 5:
[54:20] This car had 75.

Speaker 3:
[54:21] This car was a 76,000 mile Montana title car, and it still pulls over 50.

Speaker 4:
[54:26] To be fair, that's 30 grand less than a similar 991 coupe.

Speaker 3:
[54:31] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[54:32] That's a bargain for a V8.

Speaker 3:
[54:34] It's relatively a bargain. It's relatively a bargain.

Speaker 4:
[54:37] But I agree it's not as cheap as you think.

Speaker 3:
[54:41] When I was a child growing up, a Mercedes-Benz coupe of any variety, E&M convertibles too, honestly, SLs, were cars that you knew in six years would be free to purchase. And the world is changing. The ground is shifting beneath our feet.

Speaker 4:
[54:55] We sold an SL65 for $60,000.

Speaker 3:
[54:58] You know what? Honestly, we did.

Speaker 4:
[55:00] We did the market, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[55:01] We did.

Speaker 3:
[55:02] There is interest in these cars in a way that I feel like Mercedes-Benz coupes haven't had interest in since the low-grill cars of Ralph Lauren's era. I'm serious. I really, really truly think that, since the opera windows and the pagodas.

Speaker 5:
[55:15] Such a great example.

Speaker 3:
[55:16] This era is like there's some interest in the big body S65s, the coupes, the V12s, and even the AMG GTs.

Speaker 5:
[55:23] It's so interesting, because with my car, when I sold it, the thing that people kept mentioning to me is that I totally forgot about the SL65. I think there is more interest in that era of cars, and it's kind of pushing those values up a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[55:35] There is.

Speaker 5:
[55:35] But ultimately, with the S65, it's like that's the same engine, but modern interior, modern, I mean, it's just...

Speaker 3:
[55:42] This car should have depreciated more than this. I'm shocked that it's still pulling this kind of money. There is real interest in these cars, and I think people are seeing what's happening to the 0506 CL65s, and they're thinking these cars deserve to stay relatively high. But how interesting is that? The W220, or whatever the Coupe version was, the C220 or C221, or whatever it was, those cars are really cheap, really cheap in general, aside from the CL65.

Speaker 4:
[56:07] And even those aren't pricey.

Speaker 3:
[56:09] They're not crazy, but here we are in this world where Mercedes-Benz Coupes are suddenly expensive. How did this happen, Kennan?

Speaker 5:
[56:16] Because they're great cars. I think there's a lot of fear around the maintenance with these cars, which is not unjustified, but I think that they also offer something that's really neat. I mean, the 65s in particular, ungodly power.

Speaker 3:
[56:28] An S63 of this exact car is a cheap car.

Speaker 5:
[56:32] Which is amazing. I just think the V12s are special. Enthusiasts definitely seek those out. And as for the AMG GT, that car still looks like a very expensive.

Speaker 3:
[56:42] What is this?

Speaker 4:
[56:43] It was a $240,000 sticker.

Speaker 3:
[56:47] This is a $120,000. This sold for $124,000 a month.

Speaker 4:
[56:49] Half off. To be fair, it took 8 years, 9 years to get the half off.

Speaker 3:
[56:53] That's a 10 year old... What's a 10 year old 7 series? Like a 19 car. Because even a 10 year old base S-Class. We're looking at 15 S-Classes the other day on this pod. We're like 20 something. I know.

Speaker 4:
[57:03] Because they look good and they are special. The AMG GT, I think deserves the kind of price stability.

Speaker 3:
[57:11] I agree. The thing about the AMG GT was, even as we were talking about, one day it will be cheap, one day it will be cheap. I'm thinking in my mind, like, 911's floor, this has to floor at some point.

Speaker 4:
[57:21] I think it's truly a very pretty car.

Speaker 3:
[57:22] It's a big VA. You know what's the only deal? SLS Roadsters are still 100. You can buy an SLS Roadster for 100. Some coaches are 240.

Speaker 4:
[57:30] Unfortunately, the Roadster doesn't look nearly as good.

Speaker 3:
[57:32] No, it doesn't.

Speaker 5:
[57:33] But I'll tell you what, it drives great. It drives great. It drives so well.

Speaker 3:
[57:36] Although honestly, from a pure driving perspective, I kind of maybe prefer the AMG GT.

Speaker 4:
[57:40] We sold the Roadster for 83.

Speaker 3:
[57:42] They're cheap.

Speaker 5:
[57:43] I'm telling you, dude.

Speaker 3:
[57:45] Where were you? Where were you?

Speaker 4:
[57:46] I don't want one, but where was I?

Speaker 5:
[57:47] He was asleep at the week.

Speaker 3:
[57:49] Now, another car that is doing well, something else I want to talk about, Mark, report me.

Speaker 4:
[57:51] That's a special car for under $100,000.

Speaker 3:
[57:53] Lotus Emira. Yes, it is. And they are $100,000 all day long. Every SLS Roadster, nice ones. Why don't we talk about this?

Speaker 4:
[58:00] Why doesn't this come up? You could buy a 991 convertible or an SLS Roadster.

Speaker 5:
[58:05] Yeah, you could have.

Speaker 4:
[58:07] No, no, I don't want that.

Speaker 3:
[58:08] The problem with the SLS Roadster is it just doesn't have the special feel. The SLR was this bespoke, McLaren built, really special thing. The SLS Roadster, the coupe is cool, but the Roadster, what does it have? It's got the 6.2 that other AMGs have. That's how the market views it. I'm not saying that's how I view it, but that's how the market views it. Do you agree?

Speaker 5:
[58:27] Yes, I view them, it's wrong. It's not quite the same engine. And it also has the dual clutch which is a big jump.

Speaker 3:
[58:33] It absolutely is.

Speaker 5:
[58:34] I agree, the doors don't do this.

Speaker 3:
[58:35] The doors don't do this and also when what's left after you remove the doors isn't special enough for the market to value it at the level of the Coupes. Coupes are 200 plus.

Speaker 5:
[58:45] Same thing with the 300 SL, it's a great tradition.

Speaker 3:
[58:48] Although 300 SL Roadsters, the difference there is also 100 grand, but it's 1.9 million, 2 million.

Speaker 5:
[58:56] I think there's more of a gap than that.

Speaker 3:
[58:59] Shocked by Emira's, I wanted to bring this up too. They're just not coming down. This is another car I thought by now, we would start seeing depreciation. We're seeing 1st Editions, that's now a 2.5 year old car. 1st Editions came out, there were 24 models. They were selling when they first started showing up on our site, they were selling for 95, 105, like in that range. The most recent sales of these two that were 6, 92, 94. Evorins have done this too. They've generally held value better than they should for a company that is perpetually out of, running into bankruptcy, perpetually can't make vehicles. You know, I don't understand why the Emira is holding so well, considering those variables for Fisker have made those cars worth $6,100. But yeah, it's good. That's a big part.

Speaker 5:
[59:40] That's really good. I think that's the big issue.

Speaker 4:
[59:42] I really want to drive one. I haven't driven one.

Speaker 3:
[59:44] I'm going to get a press car coming. They have like some update. There's a four cylinder.

Speaker 4:
[59:49] I hope you don't have the four cylinder.

Speaker 3:
[59:50] Well, I did the V6 already, so I'm kind of curious.

Speaker 4:
[59:53] We've failed to sell two and one of them was a four cylinder.

Speaker 3:
[59:57] This car is still bringing money. These are low mileage. They're not that old yet. Check back in three years. It does. Check back in three years. But you've got to assume these are still like these are valuable cars.

Speaker 4:
[60:06] In some sense, right? Like what's your comparison point if you want a small coupe?

Speaker 3:
[60:10] You can get a Cayman.

Speaker 4:
[60:10] Well, you can't anymore, but you could get a Cayman. You have to get a GTS 4.0 or a Gt4 to have a flat six manual.

Speaker 3:
[60:19] Yeah. Well, this is a Toyota Camry V6.

Speaker 4:
[60:21] Even better.

Speaker 3:
[60:23] It's unusual, right? Like, yeah, a Cayman. I don't think 24 Caymans are selling for $93.5.

Speaker 4:
[60:31] 24 Caymans with the GTS 4.0 are.

Speaker 3:
[60:34] Think about that, though. That's the best Cayman you could get, short of a Gt4. This has the engine from a Toyota Camry.

Speaker 4:
[60:39] And a Gt4 is $90.

Speaker 3:
[60:40] And is manufactured by a company that may be going out of business next week.

Speaker 4:
[60:43] Is that still the V6 it uses? Because that V6 hasn't been in a Camry in years.

Speaker 3:
[60:46] Pull it up. I think it's the same 35 V6. It's still a Toyota V6. Supercharged 35. They still use it in something. They still use it in something that has allowed the Emira to continue going. I remember talking about this when I reviewed it. You didn't watch my video?

Speaker 4:
[60:59] I did, but that was years ago.

Speaker 3:
[61:00] I also watched the video and I've forgotten. So don't feel bad.

Speaker 5:
[61:03] You were there.

Speaker 3:
[61:05] Oh, it's in the, it's in the Bullwell Negari. Pull that up, Kennan.

Speaker 5:
[61:11] Bold well?

Speaker 3:
[61:14] B-O-L-W-E-L-L Negari.

Speaker 4:
[61:18] There was, by the way, some talk of the v-series going away and that might be helping.

Speaker 5:
[61:22] I spelled it wrong.

Speaker 4:
[61:23] That's just a bull.

Speaker 3:
[61:24] No, not bull well. Bull well. Bull well. I can't believe you don't know how to spell this. Story. Bull well.

Speaker 5:
[61:31] Oh no, is it testine? So no. Bow Negari. Sorry. Sorry. All this thing. How is it spelled?

Speaker 3:
[61:39] B-O-L-W-E-L-L. In Negari, it pops right up.

Speaker 5:
[61:44] Oh yeah, after the pharmacy, health center, and before cars, and uh, it falls off the thing.

Speaker 3:
[61:51] That's not even it!

Speaker 5:
[61:53] It's that! It's that!

Speaker 3:
[61:54] It's that! Oh sure.

Speaker 5:
[61:55] This thing.

Speaker 3:
[61:55] So, so there you go. So that's why it's still in production. They have to supply the engine to the bull well Negari, which I think we all agree is a pretty well known vehicle. It's built right outside of Melbourne. And they said the Australian automotive industry was dead. They never saw the bull well Negari.

Speaker 5:
[62:16] You've never seen a car like this.

Speaker 1:
[62:18] Now that's a proper motor car there.

Speaker 4:
[62:20] Can you say bull well Negari in that accent?

Speaker 1:
[62:22] Bull well Negari.

Speaker 4:
[62:23] There you go.

Speaker 3:
[62:24] Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[62:25] I appreciate that.

Speaker 3:
[62:26] Pretty good at the Australian accent. That's why they think it's acceptable.

Speaker 5:
[62:29] Dingo HO baby.

Speaker 3:
[62:30] Are there any other market reports this week?

Speaker 5:
[62:32] Oh, there's something I noticed. So recently we sold a Hyundai Equus, which... Great car. What have you all forget about? They are good cars. The big body V8, it's a good car.

Speaker 3:
[62:41] So this is... I'm going to be clear. The Equus was the Hyundai's luxury sedan before Genesis G90. This was a full size luxury sedan, intended to be a competitor like Lexus LS, sort of on the low end of the S-Class. This is as good of one as you're going to find. It's not an Ultimate, which is the top trim, but it has the big V8, one owner, low mile. Right.

Speaker 5:
[62:56] And this one was sold by our friend Chris Carvin. It was a nice car. But I was going through this and I was looking at the service history, because I think a Hyundai is going to be pretty reliable. Well, here's a service that was done for the suspension. You noticed front right assembly $3,205, left airstrut $2,824, suspension compressor $2,315, and a suspension valve, just a valve, $1,065. The total for the suspension service, $10,509.

Speaker 3:
[63:24] Wait, what did the car sell for?

Speaker 5:
[63:26] And the car sold for $18,000.

Speaker 4:
[63:28] Look, here's what happened. Hyundai never thought somebody would buy that part. They have three in the world.

Speaker 3:
[63:34] That's the supply and the price. At the end of the day, it just proves the old adage, an expensive car may become cheap, but when you're repairing it...

Speaker 5:
[63:41] But I wouldn't even have thought that this car would be so... This is S-class level expensive to take care of.

Speaker 4:
[63:46] The warranty expired just a mere couple years ago. They must have been just outside of that warranty.

Speaker 3:
[63:51] 10-year warranty period. Okay, that is quite interesting.

Speaker 5:
[63:54] Isn't that wild?

Speaker 3:
[63:55] Folks, if you're gonna buy an Equus, and you're not, make sure the suspension's already been done.

Speaker 4:
[64:01] But you should consider it.

Speaker 3:
[64:02] Ironically, if we have one live right now, buy it, pay all the money!

Speaker 5:
[64:07] I mean, that suspension service would cost more than a significant number of them that we've sold.

Speaker 3:
[64:12] I still think these cars are deals, though, even knowing that. You could buy one for nine, do the suspension, that's not gonna break again for another 15 years, and you drive around.

Speaker 4:
[64:20] Coil spring it.

Speaker 3:
[64:21] Yeah, coil spring it. I got a coil conversion on my Equus. Pull up the interior one of these. These are nice.

Speaker 5:
[64:29] It's a nice place to be.

Speaker 3:
[64:30] You drive around, you feel like you are the Korean consulate in Nashville, Tennessee.

Speaker 5:
[64:36] Well, my friend Ryan and I, we used to go to car shows, we'd always want to sit in the Equus, because it's so nice. We refer to it as the thinking man's Mercedes. It's like what a lot of people thought of it as. It's quite nice. It's a nice place to be.

Speaker 3:
[64:46] Okay, the questions this week were absolute fire. I've never seen questions that were fire. They were so good. These questions make Ryan Lopez look like his air conditioning is working. Whoa. Remember, you too can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab and there's a post that says, these are questions, ask us questions. And then you ask, I want to start with the best question I've ever read on the whole pod, 140 million episodes from Dodge Caliber SRT4 Fanboy, which by the way, hell yeah. If the original Fast and Furious was made today instead of 2001, who would you cast as the hero and villain Cars?

Speaker 5:
[65:24] Oh wow, that's a good question.

Speaker 3:
[65:27] Okay.

Speaker 5:
[65:28] I need to think for a moment.

Speaker 3:
[65:30] The cars, the two big hero cars from that movie were the Dodge Charger and the Supra.

Speaker 5:
[65:39] Which we have in existence today.

Speaker 3:
[65:42] Yeah, so I mean the questions answered, four cylinder Supra and a Dodge Charger Electric. No problem. The Dodge Charger is one of the...

Speaker 4:
[65:51] Oh sure.

Speaker 3:
[65:51] It was the one that crashes at the thing. It blows up.

Speaker 4:
[65:56] Don't forget about the Jetta GLI.

Speaker 3:
[65:58] Oh yeah, there were a lot of cool cars and we could spend a lot of time going through it. And in the... To be clear, the villain car was that S2000, like the group of like black... black Hondas. Like it was Honda Civics and things like that, right?

Speaker 4:
[66:12] Heroes, villains, blurry line.

Speaker 3:
[66:15] Okay, so I...

Speaker 4:
[66:15] They used Honda Civics to steal the TV's and...

Speaker 3:
[66:19] Oh yeah, I guess that was the crew we liked.

Speaker 4:
[66:21] Right.

Speaker 3:
[66:21] They were doing the stealing.

Speaker 4:
[66:22] The S2000's weren't.

Speaker 3:
[66:23] The S2000 was the crew we hated.

Speaker 4:
[66:24] We didn't like.

Speaker 3:
[66:25] When race wars in the desert. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[66:26] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[66:26] But you... The Supra still probably takes that place. Yeah, what else is there? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[66:35] R35 Skyline.

Speaker 3:
[66:38] Really?

Speaker 4:
[66:39] I mean, it's still for sale till literally last year.

Speaker 3:
[66:42] R35 GTR. Why didn't they use R34s in that movie? Just because it was not possible.

Speaker 4:
[66:48] It wasn't possible yet. There were some MotorX ones, but barely, because they came out in 2001. I assume they filmed in 99.

Speaker 3:
[66:54] Okay. So I think the Supra was the hero car then. The Supra to me is still like the current best JDM sports car. I think I can't think of a better one. The Z is still out.

Speaker 4:
[67:06] The Z looks cooler than the Supra.

Speaker 3:
[67:09] The Supra is the Supra, and everybody is modding those. The culture around that car is like it was then.

Speaker 4:
[67:14] Sure, the engine, that BMW motor.

Speaker 3:
[67:18] Okay, the Supra is in it. The BRZ has to find a place. That's probably the Jetta.

Speaker 4:
[67:22] The first-gen BRZ, though. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[67:24] Or now.

Speaker 4:
[67:25] Looks too friendly.

Speaker 3:
[67:26] Depends if they're willing to pay for product placement.

Speaker 4:
[67:27] Right, right. You don't think a GT-R, R35?

Speaker 3:
[67:31] R35 GT-R should be in the flick, for sure. Maybe as the villain car.

Speaker 4:
[67:35] A Clip Sport Cross. Still available. Still available.

Speaker 3:
[67:40] Brian Stilner shows up in it.

Speaker 4:
[67:42] Don't you think an M2 or an M4 would make their way in there?

Speaker 3:
[67:46] At this point, that probably should. Like, back in that era, those weren't common tuner cars, but there's a lot of verbal tunes. His community does that stuff. Here's the question. The Charger was like a 30-year-old car when that movie came out. So if you think back, that would be like a mid-90s car now that would be like the classic. Maybe that's the R34 Skyline. Or like an old 300ZX or an old 3000GT. Like, that would be your classic if you were making the movie now.

Speaker 5:
[68:18] Eventually, yeah, eventually the cars that were in the movie, they have become the classic.

Speaker 3:
[68:21] Yeah, they're the classic.

Speaker 4:
[68:22] I've been sharing a Lexus SC400.

Speaker 3:
[68:26] No, that wasn't fast enough.

Speaker 4:
[68:27] No, it's like the dad's car.

Speaker 3:
[68:29] As a replacement for that Charger.

Speaker 4:
[68:30] That's a car he worked on with his dad. He wants a 1UZ.

Speaker 3:
[68:34] He was working on a 1UZ with his dad. You know what they did? They went out and changed the oil. We're done for the year.

Speaker 5:
[68:41] They'll have to touch it for another couple of years.

Speaker 4:
[68:43] Right, SVG Cobra.

Speaker 3:
[68:44] His dad was an accountant. They weren't in a cubicle, that was just something they had to do every year. They didn't bond over it.

Speaker 4:
[68:51] SVT Cobra is a real car if you're looking like midnight.

Speaker 3:
[68:55] What was?

Speaker 4:
[68:56] SVT Cobra.

Speaker 3:
[68:57] Yeah, the Termi Cobra would be the Charger, Pry. Because in that era, that was pre-actual Charger and Challenger coming back. Those cars are still too new.

Speaker 4:
[69:05] We were still in the Dodge Avenger era.

Speaker 3:
[69:07] Termi Cobra.

Speaker 4:
[69:08] The coupe, not the thing.

Speaker 3:
[69:09] It's almost a little too new. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[69:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[69:12] Like an actual SN95 Cobra, but it wasn't desirable.

Speaker 5:
[69:16] Right.

Speaker 3:
[69:17] A WS6.

Speaker 4:
[69:18] A lot of these cars were.

Speaker 3:
[69:19] A WS6 Bird.

Speaker 5:
[69:21] A WS6 Bird feels like it's just...

Speaker 4:
[69:22] We have one somewhere.

Speaker 3:
[69:23] He's driving a WS6 Bird. Dude, I took that car out.

Speaker 4:
[69:26] You can see it.

Speaker 3:
[69:26] You can see a little bit of it. We got a WS6 Firebird back here. I took that car out. I've wanted one my whole life.

Speaker 4:
[69:31] It's a long one, I assume.

Speaker 3:
[69:32] I took it out to do a video with. And most a lot of the cars I do videos with, and I'm like, well, and I take the WS6. And so I'm worried.

Speaker 4:
[69:40] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[69:40] Because I've wanted a WS6 my whole life. And that era of GM is known to be trash.

Speaker 6:
[69:44] Right.

Speaker 3:
[69:45] I take the car out and the interior is trash. Of course. And I get in the car and I start it up. Oh, and I'm like, OK, yeah, we're going to. And then I drove it around. It was the greatest experience. I want one even more now than I did before I drove it.

Speaker 5:
[69:59] The shifter is surprisingly great. And like the drive is really good. Like I've the first time I drove one was when I worked at Exotic Car dealership. We had an anniversary one come in. I know this is crazy, but it had 40 miles. Yeah, it was brand new. And I take it for just a little rip because I just had to know. Same thing, I've always seen him growing up in the Midwest.

Speaker 3:
[70:14] I see the nostrils.

Speaker 5:
[70:15] Unbelievable how nicely that car drives. Like it drives so much better than it looks.

Speaker 3:
[70:20] It also drives like the muscle car I was hoping it would drive. Like the powertrain sounds raw. It has a raw feel to it. And yet the steering is not great, but the clutch and shifter are great. It still felt fast. Modern day car fast.

Speaker 5:
[70:34] Yeah, totally.

Speaker 3:
[70:34] That would be the Charger from Fast & Furious. I'm supportive. I love that.

Speaker 5:
[70:37] We're in agreement on this.

Speaker 3:
[70:38] Legit still kind of want one.

Speaker 5:
[70:40] I think we've roped for the go in.

Speaker 4:
[70:41] I have no problems with this.

Speaker 3:
[70:43] Okay, next question.

Speaker 4:
[70:45] Oh, by the way, before people ask, at the beginning he drove around in a Lightning, an FVT Lightning. He'd have a Ford Maverick Lobo.

Speaker 3:
[70:50] Yeah, he had a Maverick Lobo.

Speaker 4:
[70:52] I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 3:
[70:53] No!

Speaker 4:
[70:53] It's the coolest Ford pickup.

Speaker 3:
[70:55] Yeah, but he would be in a Fast truck. Yeah, the Ford Maverick Lobo. He'd be in a Raptor.

Speaker 4:
[71:00] No.

Speaker 3:
[71:00] You know what he'd be in? He'd be in a Rivian.

Speaker 5:
[71:03] Oh my.

Speaker 4:
[71:04] Do you think they would talk about the fact that it's much harder to overnight parts from Japan now?

Speaker 5:
[71:08] Tariffs.

Speaker 3:
[71:10] We used to be able to overnight parts from Japan.

Speaker 4:
[71:11] Now we can't.

Speaker 3:
[71:12] Trump screwed us.

Speaker 4:
[71:14] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[71:16] Here's the next question. From Alam's...

Speaker 4:
[71:18] Wait. I gotta say this. I'm so sorry. If you want to go look at a bunch of the cars from the Fast and Furious movie, go to the Peterson.

Speaker 3:
[71:25] Let me tell you something. If there's something that Filippo can promote, folks, go to the Peterson and tell everyone you meet that Filippo sent you. He'll be so thrilled. I would be.

Speaker 5:
[71:35] And they'll go, Who is Phil? I don't know.

Speaker 3:
[71:38] Okay, this is a great question from Alam Spreco. In your opinion, what is the worst car when it comes to being the most maintenance heavy, but simultaneously not getting any enjoyment of ownership in return? Because a lot of car, the maintenance heavy cars, like the Countach, we do it because we love them and they're really enjoyable and it's worth it. What car is incredibly maintenance heavy, but not enjoyable?

Speaker 5:
[71:58] Fisker Ocean.

Speaker 3:
[71:59] Maybe.

Speaker 5:
[72:01] Any Fisker product?

Speaker 3:
[72:02] But I was thinking about it and I started to think about our friend, Nick. He's got that P38.

Speaker 4:
[72:10] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[72:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[72:11] That car is bad to own and bad to own. Now, I don't think it's the worst. When I was thinking about it more, the XJS, the Jaguar XJS has got to be number one.

Speaker 4:
[72:26] It's up there.

Speaker 3:
[72:26] It's incredibly difficult to own with its big old V12 and all of its issues.

Speaker 5:
[72:30] It looks like a beauty.

Speaker 3:
[72:31] And yet, it isn't really that enjoyable to use. It doesn't drive all that well. You're perpetually worried that you're going to damage it if you press the accelerator. But the P38 of Nick's has got to be up there.

Speaker 4:
[72:42] It's a British car.

Speaker 5:
[72:43] I think a lot of British Leyland vehicles of this era. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[72:47] I thought you were going to say the Chrysler Pacifica.

Speaker 3:
[72:50] It's... Well, that's actually probably also up there. Don't you think it's one of those two or something similar?

Speaker 5:
[72:56] It is. I've always wanted to like these cars.

Speaker 3:
[72:59] You ever driven one?

Speaker 6:
[73:00] No.

Speaker 5:
[73:01] Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3:
[73:02] I drove this one.

Speaker 6:
[73:03] Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 5:
[73:05] You know, I don't want to say this. Oh, no.

Speaker 3:
[73:10] Oh, wow.

Speaker 5:
[73:11] Porsche 928s.

Speaker 3:
[73:12] 928s.

Speaker 5:
[73:13] I think it's another good example. The early ones in particular. Not the late ones. The late, like, GTSs were actually pretty good.

Speaker 3:
[73:18] Late 928s are pretty good, pretty balanced, especially the manual. There are a lot of automatics and there are a lot of bad ones.

Speaker 5:
[73:23] Oof, yeah, and they are hard to take care of, is my understanding. The engines require a lot of work. Like, diagnostic stuff is hard.

Speaker 3:
[73:30] I just put all that money into my 993. Imagine if I dumped it into a $6,200 used car.

Speaker 5:
[73:34] Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[73:35] This is actually, this isn't an S with a stick, but if you pull up.

Speaker 5:
[73:39] I don't think it's an S, but.

Speaker 3:
[73:40] Oh no, it just said, oh yeah, it wasn't. But there are automatics that are like, a lot less desirable.

Speaker 4:
[73:46] They're rare on our site.

Speaker 5:
[73:48] Yeah, we don't accept many, although we have accepted.

Speaker 4:
[73:50] We have, we've posted some to be clear.

Speaker 3:
[73:51] This is one.

Speaker 5:
[73:52] Yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 3:
[73:54] That's a good one. I think that's definitely. $6,000 car.

Speaker 5:
[73:58] Yeah, I've always, again, it's another car I've wanted to like, but I just can't bring myself to.

Speaker 3:
[74:02] I do still think about getting a GTS occasionally.

Speaker 5:
[74:05] GTS is cool. No, I can't even tell you.

Speaker 3:
[74:07] Although I promise, you know, one came to our cars and coffee with a manual transmission, not that long ago. It was a crazy color combo. That's a serious. It was like a green interior or something horrible.

Speaker 5:
[74:15] Really?

Speaker 3:
[74:15] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[74:15] That's a serious car. Those cars don't come up for auction very often, they bring real money when they do.

Speaker 3:
[74:20] They are great to drive. Seriously great cars to drive. But it took them that long. A car came out in like 77. It took them like 17 years to make one that somebody really wanted. Right.

Speaker 5:
[74:29] And even then they killed it shortly after this.

Speaker 3:
[74:32] Yeah. And then they killed it. They pulled the General Motors.

Speaker 5:
[74:37] Oh man. Hit us with another question.

Speaker 3:
[74:39] You got any better ones?

Speaker 5:
[74:40] Do you have any?

Speaker 4:
[74:40] No.

Speaker 3:
[74:41] You think those are the ones?

Speaker 4:
[74:42] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[74:42] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[74:42] I think they're pretty clear.

Speaker 3:
[74:44] Okay. Next question from Joe Silver. Dear Doug. By the way, before we do this question, I actually want to talk about the Fisker Oceans. I was in New York City.

Speaker 4:
[74:55] You must have seen many.

Speaker 3:
[74:56] I was there in New York City.

Speaker 4:
[74:57] They're all taxis.

Speaker 3:
[74:58] And I rode in one. And the woman driving the Fisker Ocean told me the whole story. The company that bought them is leasing them to drivers per week.

Speaker 4:
[75:06] Sure. As you do for a lot of rideshare rentals.

Speaker 3:
[75:09] Yeah. And I can't remember if she said it cost me a thousand bucks every two weeks or something. Well, it also allows them a lot of flexibility.

Speaker 4:
[75:16] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[75:16] She says like if I don't want to drive, I just don't rent the car for those two weeks for traveling. But she said it's like a thousand bucks every two weeks. But she said the company's already made the money back by far. The cars have not been that expensive to own. They've actually been pretty good. Customers like them. They work as as Uber blacks. They work for like black car companies. And she says it's like a nice car and it's pretty fun. And she showed me that she still has 500 launches left. And I was like, do a launch! Let's go!

Speaker 4:
[75:43] Do you think they check when she returns that car?

Speaker 3:
[75:45] She did tell me that it has horrible seasonality for its range. A lot of EVs get bad in the cold, but she said that one goes, she said she's seen as optimistic as like 380 miles or 400 miles. And when it's nice and down to 165 miles on the coldest days. It's a two-year-old car.

Speaker 4:
[76:06] EVs like that are the perfect use case for taxis.

Speaker 3:
[76:09] Yeah, cause even at 165 miles, she basically was like, I don't, even in Manhattan, mostly, like you can't drive, no matter what, she's like, I can drive 12 hour days and not end up driving anywhere near the rain.

Speaker 4:
[76:20] My recollection from when we had that very one in the office for a while, and from reading a lot of forums about it, key fobs are a real problem. Key fobs often don't work. And like some like on startup tech, but if you're a taxi, you never turn the car off.

Speaker 3:
[76:32] Keep in mind though also that Fisker sold not only the vehicles, but all of the parts and the software stuff to this company. And so I have a suspicion that this company maybe hired some people who maybe were able to work out some of the difficulties of that stuff.

Speaker 4:
[76:49] That's brilliant.

Speaker 3:
[76:50] In order to try to keep these things on the road. They still are pretty modern and they look pretty nice and they're pretty new. I mean, New York now has a ton of varied vehicles because of the Ubers. I mean, I rode on a BZ-4X, just all sorts of different stuff. And this is probably the best of them.

Speaker 4:
[77:03] Also, good leases.

Speaker 5:
[77:04] They are really cool. When this car came out, I was so into it and was really hoping it would be successful. It's nice to know they actually can be relatively reliable. I hadn't heard that before.

Speaker 4:
[77:12] Yeah, but you could still buy one.

Speaker 5:
[77:13] I don't want one. I did see a dog's head out the California window. Like, the one in California.

Speaker 4:
[77:18] There are two bikes. Ken and I live near each other. There are two in there.

Speaker 5:
[77:20] There are some.

Speaker 3:
[77:21] Next question from EVs and Clutch Pedals. This one's for you, Filippo and I. I know the answer, but I hope you know the answer. What are the most and least luxurious luxury car brands? We know the most, Rolls-Bentley, et cetera. What's the least luxurious luxury car brand?

Speaker 4:
[77:35] Infiniti.

Speaker 3:
[77:37] Kennan, tell them the correct answer, please.

Speaker 5:
[77:41] No, Infiniti is up there. Lexus is good.

Speaker 3:
[77:44] I don't know.

Speaker 4:
[77:44] Have you been in an Infiniti?

Speaker 3:
[77:46] The answer is Tesla.

Speaker 5:
[77:47] You can say Tesla is a luxury brand?

Speaker 3:
[77:50] The greater culture considers Tesla to be a luxury brand.

Speaker 4:
[77:53] Because they started with the Model S.

Speaker 3:
[77:54] Whether or not you or I do, people think of Tesla. People brag on social media about their Tesla. But it's like, that's more common than a Honda Accord at this point. Like they are everywhere.

Speaker 4:
[78:06] That's a good point.

Speaker 3:
[78:07] Ryan Lopez is literally an enthusiast. And it's like being an enthusiast of the 2012 Honda Civic.

Speaker 5:
[78:13] Those exist too.

Speaker 4:
[78:14] Model Tesla, they're killing the Model S and Model X. There's a signature edition. A Model X signature edition is a $160,000 car.

Speaker 3:
[78:23] They'll sell nine.

Speaker 4:
[78:24] Yeah, but because they launched with the S and the X, I think they are a luxury brand.

Speaker 3:
[78:29] And because they're futuristic. And so people are like, oh, it's futuristic. But we had, in the office, we had a Model Y base model, brand new one that I reviewed that's going to go up, I think next month, maybe the end of this month. That was the trashiest trash. We all drove it. We all agreed it was the worst car for a luxury car. The NVH was so bad. Again, it was a base, base, base.

Speaker 5:
[78:51] I want, all right, if you're going to take this, I'd say Maserati.

Speaker 4:
[78:55] No, cause that's the least luxurious-ish. Is it? Yeah, they have like leather on the dash.

Speaker 3:
[78:59] The MC20 is like a pretty good car.

Speaker 5:
[79:00] The MC20 is good, but the Ghibli's still fun.

Speaker 4:
[79:02] It's pretty nice inside though. The materials feel decent enough. It's quiet, it's composed.

Speaker 3:
[79:07] I think more than Tesla, Maserati, Tesla is the least luxurious luxury car brand. It is luxurious in name alone, not in actual practice.

Speaker 4:
[79:17] Agreed. I forgot about Tesla, because they're not luxury in my mind.

Speaker 3:
[79:20] In my mind either, but the world could say, oh you had a Tesla? And it's like, any other car would be better.

Speaker 5:
[79:28] If you could get an Uber X, it would probably be a Tesla. It's a pretty good chance.

Speaker 4:
[79:31] Oldsmobile.

Speaker 5:
[79:32] Oh, how sweet.

Speaker 4:
[79:33] Actually, no, there were pretty a lot of luxurious leather.

Speaker 3:
[79:37] I will only have time for one more question, which is sad, because they were so fire.

Speaker 5:
[79:41] We also have some gifts we have to get through.

Speaker 4:
[79:43] For example, the Tornado, that's a luxury brand. A luxury car.

Speaker 3:
[79:48] Pull up that...

Speaker 4:
[79:49] That Alero. That was a nice Alero.

Speaker 3:
[79:50] Pull up the Sierra. Look at this cutlass Sierra.

Speaker 4:
[79:56] We all agree that Oldsmobile was THE luxury brand. The Mid-Law luxury brand, but the luxury brand.

Speaker 3:
[80:00] Buick and Oldsmobile, that's why one of them had to go. It didn't make sense that they both...

Speaker 4:
[80:04] Fine. I will happily give Buick.

Speaker 3:
[80:05] Can I go back to that interior photo you were on? And we see... There's a third row. Go back to the... Keep going. This one. Apply brake to shift from park.

Speaker 4:
[80:16] You gotta remind the people.

Speaker 3:
[80:17] It's really nostalgic, isn't it?

Speaker 5:
[80:20] You gotta love that level of...

Speaker 3:
[80:22] Apply brake to shift from park.

Speaker 5:
[80:25] But even just looking at that, I know how that feels.

Speaker 3:
[80:27] Oh yeah. You can feel that thing clunk into gear. You can feel that thing clunking. You feel like you're breaking it every time.

Speaker 4:
[80:32] But you know what you also know?

Speaker 5:
[80:33] But it does have lurch, doesn't it?

Speaker 4:
[80:35] You also know that the AC was cold.

Speaker 5:
[80:38] Oh, very cold.

Speaker 3:
[80:39] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[80:40] Every jam product.

Speaker 3:
[80:41] And shocked that there's a blue interior, not red like they all did. Okay, last question, last question from Mac05. Oh, from Silent Salami, from Silent Salami.

Speaker 5:
[80:49] It usually is.

Speaker 3:
[80:52] When talking about car sales, you often disregard fleet sales. Why are they not important? A sale is still a sale, right? Fleet sales are profitless is why I disregard them. Almost every automaker, fleet sales are complicated. Automakers have union contracts labor with their factories and they kind of have to make a certain number of cars per year or else they're paying people not to work more or less. This isn't entirely hard and fast, but it's sort of how it works. In some cases, in order to make sure the automakers hit those numbers and get the cars sold and get the cars built that they have to build, they have fleet contracts and sell cars to fleets and they basically don't make any money from that. And Honda has never made fleet sales. And as a result, Honda has a cord which is probably more popular than the Toyota Camry, or just as popular, has never even been close to the Toyota Camry, which sells in pretty significant numbers to fleets and rental car companies. And that's a decision Toyota goes after. They sell those cars, I don't want to say for practice, but they definitely do not sell them for massive profits. That Oldsmobile Cutlass Sierra, I guarantee, was a fleet sale at one point. That was a rental car at the Houston Airport in 1987, or whatever in 1996. I can't believe I looked at that. And so that's why we kind of disregard them. It's like, okay, you sold them any cars, but a lot of people can sell cars to fleets. Rental car companies have significant demand for cars. And so just being able to sell 100,000 units every year, but you sold all of your Dodge darts to enterprise, that doesn't really suggest there is consumer demand for a vehicle. The company's not making money, the public is not interested in the cars. It is technically a sale, and on the sale chart it counts. But that's one of the reasons why I always prefer, when possible, to look at actual financials from automakers, rather than Buick just saying, we're selling more cars than ever before. It's like, yeah, I see a lot of them with rental car plates. We all know that the Florida sticker that says PM, we know it's a rental car!

Speaker 4:
[82:45] Good old permanent. I will also say, we care a lot, especially on this podcast, about consumer sentiment. What are people choosing to spend their money on? How does that reflect how competitive that manufacturer's product is? Fleet sales are wholly unrelated to that. The enterprise is not buying that car because consumers are, wow, what a great car.

Speaker 3:
[83:04] In fact, I would argue the opposite, right? The enterprise cannot buy the desirable cars in that segment because they're already sold. They're selling them. And so they buy the Dodge Dart or the Cobalt at the end, because those are available to them. It's quite the opposite.

Speaker 4:
[83:17] There is a little bit one exception. You may have seen in the news a bunch that Lucid has an agreement with one of the auto self-driving companies. Rivian has another one where they have some commitment. The reason that's in the news is that that indicates that that company can keep producing cars. They produce so few that committing 30,000 Lucids is like, oh, wow, they need to now build 30,000 Lucids. And that's why it's in the news and interesting because it's like they're so low on the production scale.

Speaker 3:
[83:43] Yeah, I guess it's still that is a worthy news story, but I think it still indicates the same thing. Oh, 100%. You're not seeing Rivians sell. Although Rivians are Caltrans cars. I was in DC. There's Rivians driving around as DC City of DC.

Speaker 4:
[83:56] Built in America, why not?

Speaker 3:
[83:57] Built in America.

Speaker 4:
[83:58] And also there's a bunch of like AI overlap things where they want to be partnered with the company doing it.

Speaker 3:
[84:04] Built in America. Okay, that's the end of our podcast today, except we have one more thing to mention.

Speaker 5:
[84:10] Yes, this arrived. Someone actually reached out to me on the Instagrams and said they were going to send this to us. And this is what they sent. This is from Nick. This is a BMW clock. This is evidently from a dealer at the time. And it's supposed to look like a BMW gauge. So imagine, you're selling Z8s. And this is also, it's made out of metal. And it's like heavy. Yeah, it looks like plastic, like a lot of BMW metals at the time. But it's actually made of metal. It's heavy and it's cold. It does, I'll put a battery in it later. But it looks like a gauge.

Speaker 3:
[84:39] Oh, you see this? Woo!

Speaker 4:
[84:41] Why are you like that?

Speaker 5:
[84:42] He sent it to me. He does this. He plays with things that aren't toys. But it also, for you, it says not only MPH on the gauge, but also KPH.

Speaker 3:
[84:52] Oh, it says KPH for Filippo.

Speaker 5:
[84:53] For Filippo.

Speaker 3:
[84:54] Because that's what he's used to as a boy growing up in Italy.

Speaker 5:
[84:56] In Italy, definitely.

Speaker 4:
[84:57] Can I note that they say MPH and then KM slash H?

Speaker 5:
[85:00] Yeah, kilometers, hour.

Speaker 3:
[85:01] Okay, I can't continue this.

Speaker 5:
[85:03] But I'm very excited, thank you very much.

Speaker 3:
[85:04] Kennan, do we have anything else?

Speaker 5:
[85:05] We do, actually. We have quite a few.

Speaker 4:
[85:08] These kids. We have a lot of gifts.

Speaker 5:
[85:09] Yes, this comes from a viewer named David.

Speaker 3:
[85:12] David.

Speaker 4:
[85:12] Shut up, David.

Speaker 5:
[85:13] Sent us a box.

Speaker 3:
[85:14] Where is David located?

Speaker 5:
[85:15] David, I actually met him at the Texas Hill Country Rally.

Speaker 3:
[85:18] Plano, Texas.

Speaker 5:
[85:19] So he sent us a bunch of cars. These two are for you specifically. A Duchevo.

Speaker 3:
[85:23] I don't know why I have a 2CV. I don't know why either.

Speaker 5:
[85:25] Let's see what else is in here. He explicitly said every Italian car in here is for Filippo.

Speaker 4:
[85:29] Oh, I wondered.

Speaker 3:
[85:30] Filippo gets a Duetto.

Speaker 5:
[85:32] Yeah, he gets a Giulia Ti.

Speaker 4:
[85:33] Hey, the best one, 90.

Speaker 5:
[85:35] He gets a Miura SV.

Speaker 3:
[85:37] Giulia, this is for Sean.

Speaker 4:
[85:39] Hey, Doug.

Speaker 5:
[85:39] Yeah, come on.

Speaker 4:
[85:40] Maserati Ti, but it's Italian, so I'm really sorry.

Speaker 5:
[85:46] He wanted me to call this up for you specifically, Filippo. Sorry, David.

Speaker 4:
[85:49] I saw it. It's so cool.

Speaker 3:
[85:50] But this one's for Doug.

Speaker 5:
[85:52] And I get all the German cars. He gave all the German cars to me.

Speaker 4:
[85:55] Ooh, a Chamal.

Speaker 5:
[85:55] Which is very nice.

Speaker 4:
[85:55] Two Chamals. Wait, I want a Chamal. I've gotten you a Chamal before.

Speaker 3:
[85:59] I've seen this Chamal before.

Speaker 5:
[86:00] I think you get the Pantera. That's Italian, technically.

Speaker 4:
[86:02] I'm taking the LeMue.

Speaker 3:
[86:03] David, absolute pleasure. Thank you for gifting our office with this one. Keep going through them.

Speaker 5:
[86:08] They're acres of them.

Speaker 3:
[86:09] Wonderful podcast. Our third best ever. And maybe best now that I have an LMO too. Goodbye, everyone.

Speaker 5:
[86:15] Goodbye.

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