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Speaker 1:
[00:05] Warning, this podcast contains stage combat, Julia Stiles reprising her iconic role as Nikki Parsons, and the most technologically advanced surveillance simulation something something. Wait, computer enhance. Jesus Christ, that's Podcast The Ride.

Speaker 2:
[00:49] And with the quietest music start, we're off to the races.

Speaker 3:
[00:51] We'll have to fix this in posts.

Speaker 1:
[00:52] Okay, hold on, hold on, I'm doing something.

Speaker 2:
[00:55] You don't even have the volume knob.

Speaker 1:
[00:56] I'm doing something.

Speaker 3:
[00:59] Jason said, I got something for the start of this episode, and here we go. Is this even the right song?

Speaker 1:
[01:05] Oh baby, oh baby, we record the pod. Record the pod. Oh baby.

Speaker 3:
[01:15] I'm not gonna fix any of this in posts, actually.

Speaker 1:
[01:28] Who gives a shit? Wow! I've got this song. I've got my hat.

Speaker 2:
[01:34] He's so excited.

Speaker 1:
[01:35] You know?

Speaker 2:
[01:36] Correct me if I'm wrong. Most excited Jason's been in six months more.

Speaker 3:
[01:39] Easily, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:40] Yeah. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1:
[01:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[01:42] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[01:43] The tea gel and a sleeping pill are working.

Speaker 3:
[01:46] He told me he feels really good before we record it. So I'm very happy to hear this.

Speaker 1:
[01:51] All right.

Speaker 2:
[01:51] Well, this is great then.

Speaker 3:
[01:52] And this is a perfect episode for it.

Speaker 1:
[01:54] I just got even more jacked by watching Bourne Stuntacular videos and pre-show videos and the very Bourne Identity. You got jacked by pre-show videos?

Speaker 2:
[02:03] Wait, explain this. The tea is getting into your head. If you didn't hear this on the second gate, Jason's taking tea now and Mike is tea-lighted.

Speaker 1:
[02:12] Under supervision of my doctor, it is not a quack thing like him's or a weird clinic.

Speaker 2:
[02:18] It's not something that Mike himself recommended and is shoving down Jason's throat.

Speaker 3:
[02:21] Jr. on Joe Rogan recommended this, Jason, you should take it. That's not what happened.

Speaker 2:
[02:26] But you got jacked by the pre-show?

Speaker 1:
[02:28] The radio guy? The pre-show has a lot of clips of the movie and they explain all the movies. Or at least one, two, three and five. Four is not canon.

Speaker 3:
[02:44] The Renner one?

Speaker 1:
[02:45] Yeah, the Renner one.

Speaker 2:
[02:46] Okay, okay. Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[02:48] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[02:48] Well, I didn't know I was going to have to rise to this level of jack. You're going to have to pass me some of that teaching. No, I know. I'm tired of here today too. So I can get there. Yeah, okay. We're talking about The Bourne Stuntacular. The Bourne Stuntacular opened weirdly in June 2020.

Speaker 1:
[03:03] June 2020.

Speaker 2:
[03:04] At Universal Studios Florida. It was a replacement for the, am I correct, long dormant Terminator 2 3D? Had that been empty for a while?

Speaker 3:
[03:13] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[03:14] Or was it not a long time? Did it like suddenly?

Speaker 3:
[03:16] That's a great question.

Speaker 2:
[03:17] Was it suddenly evicted? I don't recall.

Speaker 1:
[03:20] I think it was close for a while just cause they had to build it. This thing is like the technology and the sets pieces and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[03:30] Well, and they had to fortify the seats and the audience from the way everybody was going to be jumping and shaking and the way how teed up everybody was going to be.

Speaker 1:
[03:39] Yeah. Everyone hears the pre-show and they're like, Nicky, Nicolette Parsons, Julia Stiles character. They got her.

Speaker 2:
[03:48] They have to, they have to, they send a gas through the pre-show room just to calm everybody down a little bit.

Speaker 3:
[03:53] Yeah, set it up.

Speaker 2:
[03:54] Yeah, they're gonna start just like tearing up the floors. TK bringing pieces of it home.

Speaker 3:
[03:58] You are correct. It closed in 2017, a T2 closed in 2017.

Speaker 2:
[04:03] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[04:03] And so this was eyed for spring 2020. Obviously everything shut down from COVID. And so, but they did manage to get this up and doing soft openings and then full openings in June.

Speaker 3:
[04:18] So many people got their first COVID infection in this theater. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2:
[04:23] When you sit in this theater, you're in a site of COVID history.

Speaker 3:
[04:27] So many people, first time.

Speaker 2:
[04:28] It's like going to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally site.

Speaker 3:
[04:31] Pre-vaccine people got it in this room, no doubt.

Speaker 2:
[04:36] You're in the home of spreading.

Speaker 3:
[04:38] Right.

Speaker 2:
[04:39] You're in Spread Central.

Speaker 3:
[04:40] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[04:41] Yeah, this is one of those that I still put in the box of, this is a new show and we're talking about a new show. And you go, oh my God, it was six years ago.

Speaker 3:
[04:49] So old now.

Speaker 2:
[04:50] And they're for a long, this is it. So we're talking about an old classic today.

Speaker 3:
[04:54] If they closed it tomorrow, you'd go, it's a little early, but I'd had a good run.

Speaker 1:
[04:59] Yeah, okay. So it's funny to say that, because on like social media, I saw recently a lot of people posting about it.

Speaker 3:
[05:09] There is a lot of social media posting about it.

Speaker 1:
[05:12] So I messaged Alicia Stella and asked what, where is this coming from? Why are people so excited? And then I found a blog and it turns out the reason was a post from Alicia, no, it was Alicia Stella posted a thing saying like, I'm worried for the show, it's great, but like, it's kind of empty and a lot of showings and they had started putting signs throughout the park and team members were saying the show is starting soon. And so every, like a lot of bloggers and stuff started posting about it. One guy who makes 3D printed stuff was 3D printing miniature versions of the showtime.

Speaker 3:
[05:58] I saw that, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[05:59] A little Scandi sign.

Speaker 3:
[06:00] Can you get one?

Speaker 1:
[06:02] No, it was sold out when I looked.

Speaker 2:
[06:03] Well, so there is a grassroots campaign to shine a light on this attraction within a park that it's in. Audiences are taking it upon themselves to like, stand at, to like, you know, put on, like, put on like spinning signs and like show today. People are doing sandwich board shifts voluntarily.

Speaker 3:
[06:24] Right.

Speaker 1:
[06:24] Alicia thought the lack of paper maps, people walk right by or they don't know it's, there's anything in there. They don't really pay attention because a lot of those facades of nothing in them, you know?

Speaker 2:
[06:38] Well, Bourne himself would not want to leave a paper trail.

Speaker 3:
[06:41] Right.

Speaker 2:
[06:42] A map would provide a literal paper trail to help people see Bourne.

Speaker 1:
[06:46] No, he's like speed walking out of the gift shop grabbing like a minion hat and like disappearing into the crowd.

Speaker 4:
[06:52] Going undercover, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[06:54] Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is truly in the last like three or four weeks I've noticed this. This is pretty recent. So this is not a topical episode as far as release of The Ride, release the opening of The Ride. But as far as the viral campaign.

Speaker 2:
[07:09] The show is viral. So we're putting, we made a viral ripping card video.

Speaker 3:
[07:14] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[07:15] So we're the viral step. We're already, we're cresting a viral wave just with that. Then you add on top of it that we're talking about the most viral attraction on earth.

Speaker 3:
[07:22] Right. And this is good. I mean, this is what other rides needed, I think too, is that ground swell of support to prevent them from going away.

Speaker 1:
[07:31] If people are making memes, then the Universal Twitter account put up memes about it. And so, it seems to be working.

Speaker 3:
[07:40] Does it? Do we know?

Speaker 2:
[07:43] And the proof is?

Speaker 1:
[07:44] Yeah, no, Alicia said that.

Speaker 2:
[07:46] Oh, she did, okay.

Speaker 1:
[07:46] But shows have been packed.

Speaker 2:
[07:48] Okay, all right.

Speaker 3:
[07:49] Okay, that's great, good.

Speaker 1:
[07:50] Showtimes are filling up and they even added more showtimes, Taylor.

Speaker 2:
[07:54] Well, that's pretty strong. Okay, okay.

Speaker 1:
[07:56] Which is crazy, because this is, technology-wise, I mean, there's a lot of Universal behind the scenes videos talking about, like, they use the phrase technologically advanced so much, but this is-

Speaker 2:
[08:10] A phrase rarely used in theme park attraction promotional videos.

Speaker 1:
[08:14] That, like, no, I'm saying, it's like immersive, when Disney was saying immersive too much. So that, yeah, because there's a giant, like, screen, there's set pieces, there's, like, stuff hanging from the ceilings, there's elevat- there's, like, elevators in the stage, people are popping up, and-

Speaker 2:
[08:37] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[08:38] It- a lot needs to work for this to work right, and this was clearly an expensive show to develop.

Speaker 3:
[08:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[08:46] It's very clever in its execution, for sure, and its coordination between pre-filmed elements and, or, you know, these, like, created backgrounds and the live components that have to line up perfectly. Every show, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[09:00] They is, and they have, what's the, I never remember the name, what's the Mandalorian screen?

Speaker 3:
[09:05] The volume?

Speaker 1:
[09:06] The volume. They have a, like, volume.

Speaker 2:
[09:09] The volume might be, if it's, like, more of a wraparound, I mean, like-

Speaker 1:
[09:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[09:13] We talked about this with the Oscars thing, because that's how we shot to the cold opener, and that was the, I mean, an LED wall is basically-

Speaker 1:
[09:19] Yeah, LED, that, yeah. This isn't exactly the volume, but it's, like, it works in, there's, like, practical set elements. That was, like, the buildings that, like, kind of come on stage, also, that was crazy. Those are trackless.

Speaker 2:
[09:36] Oh, that's how they're moving around? Yeah, yeah, because they-

Speaker 1:
[09:38] They move themselves out, and then they move themselves back into their own chargers backstage.

Speaker 2:
[09:44] That's insane, because they're huge set pieces. Yeah, you're looking at a bit of a big tower that has to be sturdy enough to support Bourne and several other people, and, yeah, no, some of them are massive. I mean, it makes good use of this theater that is massive in its scope and size and just height, you know, which it had to be for T2, 3D. So it, like, it's nice that it, you know, utilizes the space. They didn't, like, put a less significant show in this, you know, the smaller scope.

Speaker 3:
[10:16] Yeah, and more, I mean, I guess it's more impressive, technically, I suppose. Like, it wasn't like, oh, we're just gonna have a couple of guys pretend to punch each other. Like, it is, like, pretty crazy when you, like, watch it all, even though you, like, can know what's happening, you're still like, oh, there's a lot of elements here.

Speaker 2:
[10:33] Now, I don't know about this more impressive, because I'm a big T2, 3D.

Speaker 3:
[10:36] You heard the question I said, the question in my voice when I said it.

Speaker 2:
[10:39] I think it's impressive in different ways, but I'm not gonna allow any T2, 3D had to.

Speaker 3:
[10:44] No, I like T2 better, T2, 3D better.

Speaker 2:
[10:46] I did too. I'm sorry, Jason.

Speaker 3:
[10:48] I know. Sorry.

Speaker 2:
[10:49] I did. I mean, am I partially skewed by the fact that that is, that show is based on a sequel to and has many of the actors from what I think is one of the greatest films ever made? Yeah, that definitely helps. Am I a big JC guy? And did JC make an original film, the most expensive film ever made, I believe? Now, that's not to say that things do run their course. And especially when something is more movie oriented, you do sort of have to keep it moving along because it is just the same experience over and over again. So I'm not like, well, I was about to say, I'm not mad that they took it out. But I think I, look, Jason, I'm glad you're excited. I would rather it be T2-3, but there are so.

Speaker 1:
[11:31] But hey, a good 20 plus year run, open around 95, 96, closed in 2017, that's a hell of a run.

Speaker 2:
[11:41] Yeah, I know. But what I can't do is run to it with my own legs when the park opens and see it on it. I can only watch a shitty YouTube video, a YouTube video that barely allows you to understand the scope and the weight of it.

Speaker 1:
[12:00] Yeah. Well, also if you ran when the park opens, you would stick out and Treadstone would get you up for CIA.

Speaker 2:
[12:09] Insighting violence. Let's get this guys up to something. Bored, you stand on this issue. Did you have strong feelings about T2 3D? Do you have, and you are also coming into it. I guess this is something we did not realize about you, that you are a born head.

Speaker 1:
[12:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:22] I think we're a born head going into this whole thing.

Speaker 1:
[12:25] The Blu-ray set sitting on the table.

Speaker 2:
[12:27] I see it, yes.

Speaker 1:
[12:28] Oh yeah, we were watching Born Identity last night because Jade had never seen it. But we both, it was probably helped by the fact that I went into, when I saw this in 2023, I think for the first time, I went in pretty blind. I didn't know a lot about it. And I was shocked at all the stuff that was happening.

Speaker 2:
[12:52] Sure, sure.

Speaker 1:
[12:53] So, and Jane loved it too. She didn't know the movies. She just like, that was awesome.

Speaker 2:
[13:00] I have one more question. Because it's a question I've had this whole time.

Speaker 1:
[13:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[13:03] Did you also go in pretty stoned?

Speaker 1:
[13:07] Did I didn't?

Speaker 2:
[13:09] You did not, okay.

Speaker 1:
[13:10] I did not.

Speaker 2:
[13:11] Okay, great.

Speaker 1:
[13:12] I did not. No, because-

Speaker 2:
[13:17] I think I was just wondering why the excitement-

Speaker 3:
[13:20] I think that was, I had that in my head.

Speaker 2:
[13:22] Yeah, maybe perhaps you and I both had this assumption.

Speaker 1:
[13:25] No.

Speaker 3:
[13:26] I think it was at the time. Yeah, we heard about this. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:29] Well, and it also, it was exciting to have a new Bourne thing, because the movie Jason Bourne, the last film was quite a while before this event.

Speaker 3:
[13:41] Right. Would you say Bourne? Do you like Bourne? Because this is a big thing too. I have seen some of the first Bourne and none of the others, and I'm not so compelled to watch them. I'm not anti. I don't think these movies suck or anything. I just haven't been compelled to watch them. Is it your favorite, this type of movie, over Mission Impossible, over James Bond?

Speaker 1:
[14:07] Potentially, maybe not over Mission Impossible.

Speaker 3:
[14:11] But over Bond?

Speaker 1:
[14:13] Maybe over Bond, just because Bond can be very hit and miss. I like the Craig ones a lot. I like the Daniel Craig ones. I grew up with the Brosnan ones.

Speaker 3:
[14:23] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[14:24] I don't go in for the old ones that much.

Speaker 3:
[14:27] Why not?

Speaker 1:
[14:28] I like the one that role doll, You Only Live Twice.

Speaker 3:
[14:32] I haven't seen that one.

Speaker 1:
[14:34] Oh, that's the one where Sean Connery has to get an operation to make himself Japanese to get to a ninja island.

Speaker 2:
[14:42] To eat. That's something that an operation can accomplish.

Speaker 3:
[14:46] And that doesn't happen in a Bourne movie also?

Speaker 1:
[14:48] No.

Speaker 2:
[14:50] Oh, that's not it?

Speaker 1:
[14:50] No, he's mostly changing from a black t-shirt to a gray t-shirt.

Speaker 3:
[14:55] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[14:58] I am a sucker for spy stuff, for espionage stuff.

Speaker 2:
[15:01] Right.

Speaker 3:
[15:02] I think that like stripped down nature of Bourne, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I could be wrong. The stripped down nature of Bourne is what I don't feel like I need to see it. I like the sillier stuff.

Speaker 1:
[15:15] Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[15:16] I like the nonsense more.

Speaker 1:
[15:18] I like the grounded stuff. There's an author, the guy who wrote the IPCRAS file has a series of books, different like it's a trilogy than another trilogy, then like he wrote from throughout over many years, and I like John Le Carre as well, and that tends to be more grounded.

Speaker 3:
[15:44] Yeah. Cause like I love Skyfall, the Craig Bond movie, because they start putting silly stuff back in.

Speaker 1:
[15:52] Yeah. Oh, I agree.

Speaker 3:
[15:53] Cause like Casino Royale is like very, you know, basic, but then they put like, Q comes into that one, and he's got gadgets again, and there's like more nonsense. And that's, that's my favorite of all the Craig movies.

Speaker 1:
[16:04] I think that might be the best Craig movie.

Speaker 3:
[16:07] Although, probably a normie take.

Speaker 1:
[16:09] Casino Royale was like very refreshing after The World Is Not Enough, which is kind of a stinky one.

Speaker 3:
[16:18] Sure, but it's some silly, funny.

Speaker 1:
[16:20] No, no, tomorrow, wait, no. What was the Halle Berry one?

Speaker 2:
[16:23] Die Another Day.

Speaker 1:
[16:24] Die Another Day.

Speaker 3:
[16:25] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[16:25] That was, I liked The World Is Not Enough, although that is.

Speaker 3:
[16:28] Casino Royale had him naked in the chair getting his balls hit with some sort of rope or something. You remember that?

Speaker 1:
[16:35] Yeah, I do remember.

Speaker 3:
[16:37] That was really painful.

Speaker 1:
[16:38] Matt Mickelson was the bad guy in that one. Have you seen these, Scott?

Speaker 3:
[16:39] Have you seen these Bond movies?

Speaker 2:
[16:41] I didn't see that one. Okay. I'm pretty spotty with Bond, I've seen that.

Speaker 1:
[16:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[16:46] But yeah.

Speaker 2:
[16:46] I'm more of a, Bond's fine, Bourne is fine. I'm more of a Ballard guy. I'm more of a Tim Ballard guy. I don't know if you've seen, there's been only one Tim Ballard movie so far, it's called Sound of Freedom.

Speaker 3:
[16:58] Oh, right, right.

Speaker 2:
[16:58] Jim Caviezel plays him in that one, but I think maybe another actor will inherit.

Speaker 3:
[17:02] That's gonna be your end.

Speaker 2:
[17:03] Ballard at some point, but I'm hoping that the Ballard franchise will continue, because that's about more importance, that's about busting up sex trafficking rings and satanic Canada ball.

Speaker 1:
[17:14] I haven't heard a lot about that lately, I think they solved it, I think they fixed it.

Speaker 2:
[17:18] Oh, that's all fixed?

Speaker 1:
[17:18] Yeah, I think it's all fixed.

Speaker 2:
[17:19] Well, I mean, you know, the presidency shit, I was going to say, because that movie was in 2023, in 2024, Trump was elected, he took office in January 2025, and then all the satanic cabal was fixed.

Speaker 3:
[17:31] Well, it's not because the president now was helping another guy's sex traffic, that's not why they're not talking about it anymore.

Speaker 1:
[17:39] Mike, Mike.

Speaker 3:
[17:40] Hey, whoa, whoa, what do you mean what?

Speaker 1:
[17:41] Well, he was helping guys, okay? Not singular.

Speaker 2:
[17:46] Please explain this to you, there's video of him, he was best friends with the guy, which means that he was under his nose the whole time.

Speaker 3:
[17:54] Oh, so he was, yeah, he was.

Speaker 2:
[17:55] So how could Epstein have, I hate to say his name, but I will.

Speaker 3:
[17:58] Is that his name?

Speaker 2:
[17:59] How could Jeffrey have done any of those things when Trump was right behind him, you know, dancing and giving him shoulder rubs?

Speaker 3:
[18:07] Right, no, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 2:
[18:08] That's the worst position to be in, to be committing crimes. You're right, you're right.

Speaker 1:
[18:11] I hear he belonged to Intelligence too.

Speaker 3:
[18:14] That's what I've heard as well.

Speaker 1:
[18:15] According to some Attorney General who was told off.

Speaker 3:
[18:17] I've heard a few things as well. But yeah, it's interesting, the Bourne stuff, it's because it's simple, and Mission Impossible, I guess, is the Tom Cruise of it all. He's such a sillier character in a good way for those movies.

Speaker 1:
[18:31] Ethan Hunt, yeah. I think one thing that helps the Bourne movies is the crazy supporting cast of usually CIA officers, but sometimes assets agents.

Speaker 3:
[18:47] Who are you giving?

Speaker 1:
[18:48] Chris Cooper, young Clive Owen, Brian Cox.

Speaker 2:
[18:52] Young Clive Owen? Young Clive Owen.

Speaker 1:
[18:53] He looks very young.

Speaker 2:
[18:54] Little Clive Owen as they call him.

Speaker 1:
[18:55] It was one of his big breakout roles.

Speaker 3:
[18:58] Is it a clone? Is it a clone of him?

Speaker 1:
[19:02] I don't know. Yeah, it's a version that never aged.

Speaker 2:
[19:04] We've watched the other Clive Owen age, young Clive Owen never, they filmed one movie with him and then he stayed that age.

Speaker 1:
[19:10] How about young Walton Goggins?

Speaker 2:
[19:12] How about him?

Speaker 1:
[19:13] He would be younger back then. By which I mean shield era Walton Goggins. Yeah, Chris Cooper, Clive Owen, Brian Cox, Karl Urban, Joan Allen, Albert Finney.

Speaker 3:
[19:24] When's the first born?

Speaker 1:
[19:27] Okay, that's, it came out in 2002. We looked this up last night.

Speaker 3:
[19:32] When is Children of Men, or Natalie Parton's movie?

Speaker 1:
[19:35] It's later, it's a few years later.

Speaker 3:
[19:36] He's always looked old. Clive Owen's always looked old.

Speaker 1:
[19:40] He looks old.

Speaker 3:
[19:40] I love Clive Owen, by the way. He's one of my guys. I think he's great.

Speaker 1:
[19:44] Oh yeah, is that right?

Speaker 2:
[19:46] But you don't, well, there's only one way to solve it, which is looking at a photo.

Speaker 3:
[19:50] Maybe you have to look at a photo. Maybe they smoothed his face out for The Bourne movies.

Speaker 1:
[19:54] So.

Speaker 2:
[19:55] They de-aged him.

Speaker 3:
[19:56] Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:
[19:56] Despite him being young.

Speaker 1:
[19:58] So this was, we looked it up, Jane looked it up last night. It was filmed in 2000 and 2001. It was supposed to be released September 7th, 2001. But it got.

Speaker 2:
[20:11] Wait, what happened?

Speaker 3:
[20:12] What happened? Jason, what happened? What happened?

Speaker 1:
[20:14] Well, one fateful day in September. So it got delayed due to reshoots and then they kind of re-edited to add like more emphasis on the government surveillance.

Speaker 3:
[20:27] Right.

Speaker 1:
[20:27] Which was big at the time, although very funny to see they're like in a, in a very cramped office with a lot of big desktop computers. And by the end of the Bourne series, it is the big board, which I think they say in the show, it's, it's the giant screen. So like, you can see the evolution of computing and stuff as the movies go on.

Speaker 3:
[20:53] You mean this? Okay. So this is young Clive Owen.

Speaker 1:
[20:56] Yeah. I think the glasses do it.

Speaker 2:
[21:00] Age them down. They make them look like Harry Potter.

Speaker 3:
[21:03] Yeah. I mean, I guess he's more disheveled in Children of Men, which I think is the same year or no, no, it's a couple of years later. It's a couple of years later.

Speaker 2:
[21:11] And remember, and we just found out it was filmed in 2000, some of it. So six years. Yeah. Okay. No, there's a big gap there.

Speaker 1:
[21:18] You're right.

Speaker 3:
[21:18] You're right.

Speaker 1:
[21:19] I think this is after like, I think it's British breakout movies. Cruelty.

Speaker 3:
[21:24] He must have had, I don't know. I don't know what the, he must have had like a hard five years because he aged tremendously.

Speaker 1:
[21:32] I'm sure the makeup department made everyone kind of look shittier and children of men because everyone's kind of fucked up.

Speaker 3:
[21:39] Yeah. I guess it's a different world. But I mean, I guess he does look younger.

Speaker 2:
[21:43] We don't, frankly, we don't know everything that happened in Clive Owen's personal life in that five-year span. While his career grew, things in his personal life might have been quite miserable. It's funny how those two things can be true at once.

Speaker 3:
[21:54] That's hard to believe, but you're right.

Speaker 2:
[21:56] Poor Clive Owen.

Speaker 3:
[21:57] Poor Clive Owen.

Speaker 2:
[21:58] Were he only to look that young still today?

Speaker 1:
[22:00] In the Marvel Universe yet? No.

Speaker 3:
[22:03] I don't think so. That's so funny.

Speaker 2:
[22:05] Let's go through everybody in your broadcast list and hear if they're in Marvel.

Speaker 1:
[22:09] I feel like that.

Speaker 3:
[22:10] He's a gambit, I think. Right? He's gambit? No.

Speaker 1:
[22:13] No, that was Jannick. I was saying, like, that's that. You get him in there and he could be a guy.

Speaker 3:
[22:18] Who do you think you should play?

Speaker 1:
[22:20] Well, now, who's left?

Speaker 3:
[22:21] There's a lot of people left.

Speaker 1:
[22:23] There's a lot of people left.

Speaker 3:
[22:24] But I don't know. He's in old, he's probably, what, in the late 50s, 60s? Early 60s now? He's got to be an older guy. But I don't know. You take, while we're doing the episode, be distracted the whole time and try to think of the answer for this.

Speaker 1:
[22:35] Well, he could be Captain Britt. No, I don't think we've seen any version of Captain Britt yet.

Speaker 3:
[22:39] Sure, he could be Captain Britt.

Speaker 2:
[22:40] I'm in favor of that. I know there's a Captain Britt. There's captains of all the other, is there a captain of every country?

Speaker 3:
[22:46] It's a great question. There's Batman of every country.

Speaker 2:
[22:50] What?

Speaker 3:
[22:50] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[22:51] It's a different Batman and Portugal? Really?

Speaker 3:
[22:54] Yes. Portugal first, I think specifically Portugal. I can't remember. There's a Native American Batman, man of bats. There's a Japanese Batman.

Speaker 1:
[23:02] There's a Native American Captain America now too.

Speaker 3:
[23:05] Is there? What's that character's name?

Speaker 2:
[23:07] Captain Native America.

Speaker 1:
[23:08] I forget.

Speaker 3:
[23:09] I mean, that would make sense. It's probably not that though, right?

Speaker 2:
[23:12] It's a little on the nose.

Speaker 3:
[23:13] If it was newer, they wouldn't name it that. If it was in the 70s, they would have named it that.

Speaker 2:
[23:18] I didn't know that Batman franchised. It's exciting.

Speaker 3:
[23:20] Well, one of our favorite comics is by Grant Morrison. It's called Batman, Inc. where Batman franchises the name. It's based on some old comics too, but it's like there's Batman of every, the Batman of every nation. The Knight and Squire are the English Batman and Robin.

Speaker 2:
[23:35] Is it awkward for, did the Batman line up with what our allies and enemies are? Could North Korea Batman be a friends to America Batman, even though the enemy, even though the nations are enemies?

Speaker 3:
[23:50] That's a great question. I don't think Grant explored that at all. I don't think any of our enemies.

Speaker 2:
[23:56] I don't want to read it. I just want a list of how the logic works.

Speaker 3:
[23:58] No, you're right. I don't think so. I think Batman stayed within America's allies, I believe.

Speaker 1:
[24:04] If they didn't run longer, it would have been cool to see Batman in enemy country, Batman Inc. fighting the axis of evil Batman.

Speaker 3:
[24:14] Sure, yeah. Some other Batman decided to franchise as well, or the evil Batman.

Speaker 1:
[24:18] Knock off Batman.

Speaker 3:
[24:19] Knock off Batman, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:20] Knock off Batman.

Speaker 2:
[24:22] North Korea is where Bruce Wayne trained to be, in which iterations, this is what I'm seeing, in Arkham Origins. I don't know, this version is where he trained in North Korea. That's strange. That's a weird place to say that.

Speaker 3:
[24:34] I don't know everything about Batman, but.

Speaker 1:
[24:37] And a lot of stuff has been.

Speaker 2:
[24:38] Well, you gotta read arkhamcity.fandom.com more often.

Speaker 3:
[24:41] Oh, Arkham City, that's a game?

Speaker 2:
[24:42] It's an exciting place to be because there are so many pop-up ads. I've only looked at one page and I've counted seven of them.

Speaker 1:
[24:50] I, you know, the one thing I want in a basic website, I want it to overclock my computer.

Speaker 3:
[24:57] You want it to drain the battery?

Speaker 1:
[24:58] I want that fan to come on for one browser window.

Speaker 3:
[25:03] Well, fandom, is it, are you in fandom.net or whatever? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:07] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[25:08] Well.

Speaker 1:
[25:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[25:09] Though now I'm reading a different, when I looked up is there a Batman of North Korea, now I've ended up, this is a Reddit thread, called on the Reddit, who would win. And the question is posed, could Batman sneak into North Korea, take a selfie with Kim Jong Un while he is sleeping in his bedroom, and escape without anyone noticing? I thought when I started that sentence, I thought it was gonna be that he takes him out. But in fact, it's just sneaking in, quick pick for Insta, and then keep moving. And I do think Batman could do that. That's not even a difficult question.

Speaker 3:
[25:40] He tries not to just kill in cold blood either.

Speaker 2:
[25:43] Oh, that's right. He doesn't kill.

Speaker 3:
[25:44] He would, yeah. He abducted that guy in the dark night, though. Remember, he goes to another country. And he abducts him out of the office.

Speaker 1:
[25:52] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[25:53] That seems awesome.

Speaker 1:
[25:54] Yeah. He pulls him out.

Speaker 3:
[25:57] Yeah. So anyway, but yeah, the Bourne stuff, I mean, what do you think is the best one of all of them?

Speaker 1:
[26:05] I mean, I think I like the first one. Just because the second and third changes direct. The first one is Paul. Is it, or no, Doug Liman?

Speaker 3:
[26:20] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[26:20] And then Paul Greengrass takes over.

Speaker 3:
[26:23] You're more of a Liman boy.

Speaker 1:
[26:24] I'm more of a Liman boy. If only because number two and three kind of like went all in on that handheld close up action. That I think negatively influenced worse movies.

Speaker 3:
[26:39] The JJ alias, Mission Impossible 3 shaky handheld. That's sort of the vibe of it.

Speaker 1:
[26:45] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:46] Yeah, some of Mission Impossible 3, I feel like, you're like, this could be a little less shaky, maybe.

Speaker 1:
[26:50] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[26:51] This wasn't the style of the time, but it's a little disorienting.

Speaker 1:
[26:55] Tony Gilroy wrote a lot of them from and of Andor and Michael Clayton.

Speaker 2:
[27:00] Did he write The Bourne Stuntacular?

Speaker 1:
[27:04] No. The credited writer on that is a man named John Binkowski. Oh, it's him.

Speaker 3:
[27:11] John Binkowski?

Speaker 1:
[27:11] John Binkowski.

Speaker 3:
[27:13] What?

Speaker 1:
[27:13] Yes, John Binkowski, the former head of Hard Rock Park and co-founder of Renaissance Entertainment.

Speaker 2:
[27:20] Wrote this?

Speaker 1:
[27:21] Is on IMDB. John Binkowski is credited as director, writer, and producer of this.

Speaker 2:
[27:28] Really?

Speaker 1:
[27:29] Yes, because he is, yeah, the co-founder and head of this Renaissance Entertainment.

Speaker 3:
[27:35] Yeah, there he is. You're right.

Speaker 2:
[27:36] Oh my God. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[27:37] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[27:38] The Hard Rock Park guy?

Speaker 1:
[27:39] The Hard Rock Park guy.

Speaker 2:
[27:40] Well, this is an incredible comeback for, I mean, it may be, depending on how you want to look at it. Right, but if you view Hard Rock Park as a failure.

Speaker 1:
[27:48] That was-

Speaker 2:
[27:48] Which we don't, by the way. No, no, no, no, I'm just bringing an outside opinion into this, in this room.

Speaker 3:
[27:54] Right, hypothetically, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[27:55] That was a very strange discovery in the summer of 2020, when I was poking around on LinkedIn, and I found John Binkowski and all these people are like, congrats, John, oh wow, what a show. He opened the show, and yeah, he's the head of this company, and this is like a live theme park show. They've worked on Waterworld, and they worked on the Shanghai Pirates of the Caribbean show.

Speaker 2:
[28:26] There's a show?

Speaker 1:
[28:26] There's a show with a lot of crazy stunts and stuff. So yeah, John Binkowski involved in this show.

Speaker 2:
[28:35] That's a wild answer. Wow.

Speaker 3:
[28:37] Yeah, and he's still making movies. Because we've talked about his movie Characters before.

Speaker 2:
[28:43] Right.

Speaker 3:
[28:44] But he's got a movie in 2022 called A Christmas Karen.

Speaker 1:
[28:50] I feel like I've caught a Christmas Karen.

Speaker 2:
[28:53] I've definitely come across this poster before.

Speaker 3:
[28:56] This is John Binkowski, writer-director.

Speaker 1:
[28:59] Holy shit. I spent all of Christmas season last year trying it. Like, Jane, do you want to watch A Christmas Karen?

Speaker 3:
[29:07] That's a John Binkowski movie.

Speaker 1:
[29:08] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[29:09] A John Binkowski joint.

Speaker 2:
[29:10] From the mix, you had no idea. Well, that would sell her, wouldn't it? If you now said, do you want, don't even say what the movie is. Say, do you want to watch a film from the director of The Bourne Stuntacular? He also makes cutting edge films.

Speaker 1:
[29:23] That's right.

Speaker 2:
[29:24] And then just put it on.

Speaker 1:
[29:25] Oh my God, I'm so excited.

Speaker 2:
[29:27] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[29:28] And this is also, I should say, this is an award-winning show, Bourne Stuntacular.

Speaker 2:
[29:34] According to the IMDB for A Christmas Karen, this is also an award-winning film. Wyatt won at the Orlando Film Festival, and won at the Las Vegas Black Film Festival. So it's won five awards. Is that more awards than the Bourne Stuntacular? Is his most award-winning work, A Christmas Karen?

Speaker 1:
[29:53] The Bourne Stuntacular won 2021 Thea Award for Outstanding Achievement in Live Attraction, Spectacular, Interesting category.

Speaker 2:
[30:02] It won Best Spectacular.

Speaker 1:
[30:03] Yeah, and the 2021 Visual Effects Society Award for Outstanding Visual Effects in a Special Venue Project.

Speaker 3:
[30:11] And it won the Jason Sheridan Award for Thea Part-

Speaker 1:
[30:13] For Terrific!

Speaker 3:
[30:16] For Dynamite Experience.

Speaker 1:
[30:18] I've got my hat on and everything.

Speaker 3:
[30:21] He is wearing his Bourne Stuntacular hat.

Speaker 2:
[30:23] What did you all buy, because you brought this all out of the show?

Speaker 1:
[30:25] You have a hat? Yeah, I bought the hat, the t-shirt, this water bottle and lapel pen.

Speaker 2:
[30:35] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[30:37] That's a lot of stuff, all of it.

Speaker 1:
[30:39] Well, yeah, because I thought it would be funny to come out on stage and all of it.

Speaker 3:
[30:44] Yeah, but you knew you'd like to have it after that.

Speaker 1:
[30:46] I did like to have it.

Speaker 3:
[30:47] Because you don't like to just buy things for one show.

Speaker 2:
[30:50] Oh, yes, we've learned this, yes.

Speaker 3:
[30:51] Right.

Speaker 1:
[30:52] Oh, no. Well, my wife was also egging me on because she really liked the show too. And she's like, yeah, get it.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] You know what could be kind of sexy if you wore was, I don't know, a Bourne Stuntacular hat? Hey, you don't have to ask me twice, babe.

Speaker 1:
[31:07] Look.

Speaker 3:
[31:07] Real life dialogue.

Speaker 1:
[31:09] There's a sexy scene in the first one with Matt Damon and German actress, Franca Potente. Wow. I am not 100% on that pronunciation.

Speaker 3:
[31:19] I'm not looking up.

Speaker 1:
[31:20] But she's direct. Remember Run, Lola Run? She was awesome in that.

Speaker 2:
[31:25] Oh, she's in, really?

Speaker 1:
[31:26] And she's the love interest in the first Bourne spectacular, in Bourne identity and Bourne supremacy, and that I believe gets shot in the head and killed pretty quickly in that way.

Speaker 3:
[31:38] How hot is the love scene? One to 10, scale of one to 10.

Speaker 1:
[31:42] Well, after Matt Damon dyes her hair and chops a bunch off, they're both like in, they're in tank tops in the bathroom. And she like gives them a little kiss and they start kissing and then take his shirt off cause you know, cause he's jacked. Matt Damon, 31 in that movie.

Speaker 3:
[31:59] Did they fade out? Young Matt Damon.

Speaker 1:
[32:00] Young Matt Damon.

Speaker 3:
[32:01] But wait, did they fade out before the intercourse?

Speaker 1:
[32:03] Yeah, they do fade out.

Speaker 3:
[32:05] I mean, it's a sexy, okay, cutting and dying hair. I agree, that is good.

Speaker 2:
[32:08] But it leaves it up to your imagination though.

Speaker 1:
[32:10] It leaves it up to the imagination.

Speaker 3:
[32:12] Okay, fair enough.

Speaker 1:
[32:13] She wakes up in the morning and she's all groggy and he's sitting there in like a sweater and pico and stuff and he's like, I've already wiped down the hotel room for fingerprints.

Speaker 3:
[32:25] How often do they call him Jason in the movie?

Speaker 1:
[32:28] Well, okay, they call him Jason a lot. Oh, I see what you're getting at now, because I'm Jason.

Speaker 3:
[32:37] That's correct.

Speaker 1:
[32:38] They do call him Jason a lot and then in later movies, you learn his real name is David Webb.

Speaker 2:
[32:44] Jason Bourne. Having not seen the movies, that was a surprise to me in the pre-show.

Speaker 3:
[32:49] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:50] That we're introduced to it with it. She says she crossed paths with a man named David Webb. I went, huh?

Speaker 1:
[32:56] Yeah, I was going to say that too. Jason Bourne, he has a million passports. John Michael Caine is an alias in the first movie. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:07] That'd be distracting because you check that passport, you think Michael Caine just. Oh, yeah. Well, you're trying to pass yourself off as Michael Caine.

Speaker 1:
[33:15] Michael Caine, co-star of Children of Van Clive.

Speaker 2:
[33:18] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[33:19] How about that?

Speaker 2:
[33:20] Young Michael Caine.

Speaker 1:
[33:21] How about that?

Speaker 3:
[33:21] Young Michael Caine. Younger than he is now.

Speaker 2:
[33:23] Comparatively more so than today.

Speaker 1:
[33:24] He was a spry chicken of Children of Van.

Speaker 3:
[33:27] That's right.

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Speaker 2:
[33:59] So this is, okay, so you come into it with that, you get sort of loaded for Bear and that you're particularly enthusiastic about these films. And then, but like you felt like the show, as I guess people are feeling today, was underhyped compared to what it ends up being. Because you walk into it going, I'll check this out. And you have no idea how much your love will explode all over the room when you.

Speaker 3:
[34:24] That's a good way to put it, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:25] Very great way to put it, I thought.

Speaker 1:
[34:27] Yeah, like Marie's head when they're in a jeep in The Bourne Supremacy, yeah. Yeah, I mean, they get you excited in the queue, the little car is there, the dirt bike from one of the later ones.

Speaker 3:
[34:42] So those are the vehicles from the movie for like, those are really, it's like seeing the Batmobile or something.

Speaker 1:
[34:47] Yeah, the big set pieces in the first movie are like him speeding through Paris, the police chase, running from police, driving this little car, it goes down a stairwell and it's crazy. And then at the end of the movie, he like shoots a guy and then uses the body to fall like five stories.

Speaker 3:
[35:08] He uses it like a sled or a parachute?

Speaker 1:
[35:11] Like as, like he lands on it. And then as they're falling, it like slows down and he shoots a guy on the third story stair.

Speaker 3:
[35:20] Did they steal that from Austin Powers, the spy who shagged me when he uses that woman who has like a, he's fighting with her and they fall out the window and he moves her. She gets blown up first. Steers her and he lands on her. They probably stole her from Austin Powers.

Speaker 1:
[35:34] I think that's a spy movie thing.

Speaker 3:
[35:36] Using a corpse as a cushion.

Speaker 1:
[35:37] Yeah. There's also a classic spy trope where he stashes a bag in a locker at a train station that was very pre 9-11. I don't think you have a lot of lockers and public transit hubs nowadays.

Speaker 2:
[35:54] They're too expensive to afford.

Speaker 3:
[35:55] Too expensive. Yeah. The pre-show, I remember being all like, oh, this is fun theme park pre-show stuff. I remember that when we saw it. I was satisfied by it.

Speaker 1:
[36:09] And it is a long, complicated pre-show. They explain, they try to cram in a lot of bad shit.

Speaker 2:
[36:16] I'm going to say something here. Just to, I'm not trying to ruin your fun. I think this pre-show is atrocious. I think this is an awful pre-show. As somebody who doesn't know the films, it was not inviting to me at all. It is so long. I do recall us chuckling.

Speaker 3:
[36:33] I do recall us chuckling as we go. More information.

Speaker 2:
[36:37] So much is explained to me and do I need to know all of this information. And with apologies, knowing that that room was the site of the Kimberly Duncan NT23D mixed with the very sinister Cyberdyne pre-show with fun celebrity cameos.

Speaker 3:
[36:54] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[36:55] Funny, I managed to have laughs. And then like, I just love that pre-show so much.

Speaker 1:
[37:00] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[37:01] It's sort of a top thing that is like an info dump of films.

Speaker 1:
[37:05] But the graphics, Scott, the graphics, the little fonts in the boxes and so on. A lot of these movies are graphics.

Speaker 2:
[37:14] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[37:15] A lot of the fun is all the graphics.

Speaker 2:
[37:16] But there's a lot of, there's like 90s CGI that I love so much and that the other one. And not to compare those two, other than just that you do know that you're in the space of that. But even, I think even if you don't compare them, even by its own merits, I'm just not a fan of this pre-show.

Speaker 3:
[37:34] Has anyone, is there anything that's like taken on a life of its own from the pre-show? Like as far as like a phrase or something that people have like memed? Because it is just like sort of a hardcore long block of explanation. And you know, there's other rides that have a lot, like the Avatar Ride. But there's been, there's like iconic lines now from the pre-show of the Avatar.

Speaker 2:
[37:57] I think everybody, yeah, I've seen videos where a bunch of people all shout, as some of you may know, I was once an operative for the CIA.

Speaker 1:
[38:05] Yeah, now a thing you gotta go along with in these movies, and a lot of kind of spy movies and books and stuff is, the logic gets pretty confusing, and isn't 100% makes sense. And that's part of the fun, it's part of the journey, you end up as confused as all the agents.

Speaker 3:
[38:25] It does feel like, though, they were really worried people wouldn't understand a guy punching another guy or a car racing, because like-

Speaker 2:
[38:35] Yes, and let me then skip ahead, just to not stay in negativity, I do enjoy the show very much, and I could have watched every second of that show and enjoyed it just as much without anything that they tell me in the beginning.

Speaker 3:
[38:47] Before I rewatched the video, I didn't remember a single thing about the pre-show.

Speaker 2:
[38:50] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[38:51] Julia Stiles' hair was different than some of the movies.

Speaker 2:
[38:57] It's been a while, she's been out there evolving, she's Nicolette Parsons, has lived a full life and maybe gone through many hairstyles.

Speaker 1:
[39:06] Her character gets bigger and bigger as movies go on, partly because she is not killed in a Black Ops operation.

Speaker 3:
[39:15] Who's Bourne's number one? Who's like the Luther, like the Ethan Hunt's Luther, who's like, then they're the longest?

Speaker 1:
[39:22] I think it's her.

Speaker 3:
[39:24] It is her, okay.

Speaker 1:
[39:24] It becomes her. Joan Allen, I think in the one, a lot of people try to get Bourne to trust them and it's like, we can protect you, we can expose this legal program. And I think Julia Stiles says in the pre-show, like all spies do is lie to each other, don't trust them. Which is kind of why I get a little queasy when I remember one US Senator and the governor of Virginia are both ex-CIA officers and analysts, so.

Speaker 3:
[40:03] So this pre-show makes you remember the realities of.

Speaker 1:
[40:08] Oh yeah, don't trust spies.

Speaker 2:
[40:09] They should warn you, you may get motion sickness while watching the pre-show, not because of anything that it does, but because it might remind you of real life CIA agents. Right. Hiding in our day to day.

Speaker 3:
[40:19] Right. I hadn't thought about that, but now I'm queasy too.

Speaker 1:
[40:22] Well, there was a, the NASA Kirby and the woman who is Agent Carter in the Marvel movies.

Speaker 3:
[40:31] Haley Atwell.

Speaker 1:
[40:32] Yeah, they had a podcast where they interviewed actual operatives, and I'm like, Did they? Yeah. Because they play spies and they interview real spies, and I'm like, did you learn nothing from your role?

Speaker 3:
[40:44] These people are lying.

Speaker 1:
[40:45] These people are liars.

Speaker 3:
[40:46] Their riffs are false. Their riffs on topical topics are false.

Speaker 2:
[40:51] Hopefully, if you ask them what their favorite breakfast treat is, they will say a false answer.

Speaker 3:
[40:55] They'll say a toaster strudel, but it's not. They meant Danish.

Speaker 1:
[40:58] It's not real. The only operatives that are probably even bigger liars are Special Forces guy. They love to lie.

Speaker 3:
[41:08] Jason Sheridan's ranking of liars in the different agencies of the American government.

Speaker 1:
[41:14] Spy, Special Forces, politicians. And their third, like the American sniper guy, famous liar, like made up.

Speaker 3:
[41:22] He lied about my guy, Jesse Ventura, and Jesse Ventura was vindicated.

Speaker 2:
[41:26] He told a lie about Jesse Ventura?

Speaker 3:
[41:27] He said he punched Jesse Ventura, I believe, at a bar, at like a Navy SEAL meetup, and that did not happen. And then this man, Chris Kyle, passed away, and then Jesse Ventura was in a lawsuit with The Widow, but he did not stop suing The Widow.

Speaker 2:
[41:44] Oh, okay.

Speaker 3:
[41:46] And then, I believe, he won. But he says it hurt his relationship with the Navy SEALs.

Speaker 2:
[41:52] So, I hope that's been repaired, and if any Navy SEALs are listening.

Speaker 3:
[41:56] Jason, do you think Jesse Ventura is honest?

Speaker 1:
[41:59] I actually do think Jesse Ventura is honest.

Speaker 3:
[42:01] Okay, so he's a Navy SEAL, and he's honest. Okay, great.

Speaker 1:
[42:05] Well, but he was also a wrestler, and they love to lie.

Speaker 3:
[42:08] He was a healer, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[42:09] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[42:11] But he's in Predator.

Speaker 1:
[42:13] Oh, that's a pro.

Speaker 3:
[42:15] He's got an iconic line in Predator.

Speaker 2:
[42:17] Well, but you know what? The whole movie, as all movies are, is a lie. He's not the guy he claims to be. He's really Jesse Ventura. He's not even that character. He didn't actually fight an alien, so he's the biggest liar of all.

Speaker 3:
[42:30] And he was the governor of Minnesota, which is a politician.

Speaker 1:
[42:33] Yeah, but the magic of the movies.

Speaker 3:
[42:38] But he's calling out Trump a lot on TV now.

Speaker 2:
[42:43] Well, it's confusing. We're going to have to hem and we're going to have to ha, hem and ha as well.

Speaker 3:
[42:48] They should have had Jesse Ventura do the pre-show.

Speaker 2:
[42:50] I mean, something should have Jesse Ventura do the pre-show. Oh my God. Spectacular. I mean, here's one thing that kind of typifies what I don't like about this pre-show. It's something like, please welcome Alliance Group Homeland Security Legal Liaison, Nicolette Parsett. Oh yeah, I'm pumped now. Wow, there were six words in that title.

Speaker 1:
[43:14] Yeah, that's kind of takes some liberty because she's like lying low, I think at the end of-

Speaker 3:
[43:19] But I don't think Scott's upset because it doesn't make sense narratively with some movies.

Speaker 2:
[43:23] No, she's working in the private sector.

Speaker 1:
[43:26] Okay, but the emblem on the screen says Treadstone, Black Power, Iron Hand, and those are all the shady government programs.

Speaker 2:
[43:34] See, that's another thing. I'm like, if I have it, it's probably neat to you because you like the movies, but I'm just looking at like, what's this? Do I need to know all these words? Then the show begins and I do not. It mostly is punching and flying around on a big ball on a wire. I also, here's a big question. Why is she just green screened into a room? Most of the footage you can find is from the back, so it's hard to tell, but I watched behind the scenes footage and she's in front of green, but then all of it is she's just like in a white room. Just find a white room. What are you doing?

Speaker 3:
[44:07] That is like an MCU modern thing where you see like this.

Speaker 2:
[44:11] Green screen for a place that you could go find like sitting by the end of the day.

Speaker 3:
[44:16] Sitting at like a rest stop and it's green screen and the bench is even half of its green screen. Or Sam Jackson had a gun in like one of the Captain Americas and the end of the gun is green screen. He doesn't use the gun in the scene.

Speaker 1:
[44:29] He was in a living room, but some of that might have been green screen.

Speaker 3:
[44:33] It might have been Winter Soldier, but I think it was like the gun was green screen. Like, we'll figure out what the gun looks like later. And you're like, just give them a gun.

Speaker 1:
[44:40] Yeah, a ray gun or something.

Speaker 2:
[44:42] Like, commit to something. My god, movies used to have, used to not have any computer effects.

Speaker 3:
[44:49] CGI people.

Speaker 2:
[44:50] But I don't know, can you understand where I'm coming from that I'm in there just like, I think even if you took the general tenor and you took, you could keep an alliance group home of security legal aid on Nicola Parsons, and she can do the same kind of briefing that she does, but just like, just make it half the time. You can just heal them like filling, I think they've got a lot of space to fill because they got to let that room fill up and there's a long show up in front of them that you can clear out. So I understand that. But it's something where you're in the T2 3D pre-show and you are not even recognizing the time passing because there's portions, there's audience interaction, and then you're watching this propaganda video and then the propaganda video gets interrupted. There's stages, it evolves, whereas this is like one type of mosh. A dump of text.

Speaker 1:
[45:36] A dump of stuff and it's very long and it is followed by such an exciting show.

Speaker 2:
[45:45] It is.

Speaker 1:
[45:45] And this is so complex. We're talking about Wireframe and I do admit, I don't know if the show is a simulation where we're watching surveillance of Jason Bourne. It doesn't really matter. You don't really get to know that.

Speaker 2:
[46:00] This is another thing that I don't care about. This is my least favorite pre-show info dump that does not need to be there since Finding Nemo Submarines where we have developed Sonar that lets you hear what the fish are saying. Just put the fish in front of me, what you're talking about. Who cares? Now I'm only thinking about that. Was it not when you developed the technology, wasn't the number one question, oh my God, how did the fish learn English? Wait, fuck all this, fuck the Stonar. We just learned that fish speak in our same language. All right, well, I'm more focused on that now. But this, it's this situation that like what you're about to see, it's a, well, you're going in, you're not going into a theater, you're going into a prototype observation and evaluation room and you are going to, it's like you'll be right there live following Jason Bourne wherever he goes. It's proprietary technology as well. That's important, it's very important and proprietary. If you didn't hear that word, you wouldn't know what to think of this technology. That's a good point, yeah. It's enhanced surveillance. So basically, and then they show you like a lot of wireframe footage of, they go like, you'll see what we're talking about. She even says something like that.

Speaker 1:
[47:14] You'll get it, you'll get it. She gets some catty lines in there like, yeah, a bunch of trained super soldiers that are activated with a coat. What could go wrong?

Speaker 2:
[47:24] Oh, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of it and I like that. There's a little bit of personality to it. But that you're it now confuses the issue of like, are you watching? Are you there? You're following Jason Bourne. It's a simulation. But then who are we and where like and you're you'll be able to jump with him. Even if he jumps time zones and countries.

Speaker 1:
[47:45] And the CIA director or officer does a full Mendoza, Simpsons, Mendoza, McBain bit, firing at the sky at the end. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[47:58] Yes, yeah. It's strange. I think what bothers me about the pre-show is that I find it to be kind of humorless for a show that you go sit in that is pretty goofy. Like once it begins, it's a pretty silly show where silly things happen and like impossible things happen to cars and big crazy explosions and the aesthetic of it is kind of, to me, it's honestly like a better executed version of the aesthetic of Fast and Furious Supercharged.

Speaker 3:
[48:36] Yeah, much better.

Speaker 2:
[48:37] Where it's got weird perspectives and you're dealing with live action settings and actors, but the CG makes it a little cartoony. And I'm not necessarily saying in a way that bothers me. I like this show aesthetically, but I do find it to be, I think that the pre-show is pretty slavish to the vibe of the films, whereas the show itself is much sillier. It almost is more like you could do the same aesthetic and it's a James Bond show.

Speaker 3:
[49:05] Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2:
[49:06] So it's just true. I don't know. I just think they could have had more fun with this, make it shorter. I don't know. It ain't my favorite. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[49:15] Yeah. It's funny in one moment, she's like, I should stay away from Jason Boyle. The kind of giving away the game of like, we had her for half a day at a green screen. So she's not going to be in the show, although she does a little narration here and there.

Speaker 2:
[49:31] Okay. Well, that's easy to grab. They grab that in the car that she is going to pull out of herself to leave the shoot.

Speaker 3:
[49:39] I always wonder, was the mandate that this had to be long? Was it long because whoever was in charge of the Bourne franchise, they needed to get all this logic police stuff in, or?

Speaker 1:
[49:51] Oh, you mean executive producer Frank Marshall? Oh. So we got a lot of our guys in here.

Speaker 3:
[49:58] We got Binkowski.

Speaker 4:
[49:59] Binkowski and Marshall.

Speaker 3:
[50:01] Two heavyweights teaming up. Yes, did Frank want it, or is it a capacity thing? Is it like, look, just for guest-wise, we need to have this go 12 minutes, or whatever it is. It's not that long.

Speaker 2:
[50:13] I think it's similar to how The Simpsons Ride inherited the time frame of the Back to the Future Ride, and how long people have to be in a room. I think they had to build something that was roughly as long as the Cyberdyne stuff.

Speaker 3:
[50:26] They just decided to fill it with nonstop explanation.

Speaker 2:
[50:30] Info, info, info. I also think, it's funny that Jason Bourne seems like this very elusive figure who even the agencies themselves can not track. Yeah, they're confused by him. So it's crazy that they have all of this film footage of him.

Speaker 3:
[50:44] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[50:45] With every possible angle. It's edited very dynamically.

Speaker 3:
[50:49] Color corrected.

Speaker 2:
[50:50] Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh huh.

Speaker 3:
[50:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:52] No, beautiful, really crisp frame rates.

Speaker 3:
[50:54] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[50:54] Some of the clearest footage I've ever seen.

Speaker 1:
[50:57] It was pretty cool. They got a shot of him jumping out of one building window into another building's window.

Speaker 2:
[51:04] Yeah, that's crazy. How do you get that footage when you're just like filming a guy just as surveillance?

Speaker 1:
[51:11] Magic of the movies.

Speaker 3:
[51:13] Magic of the CIA.

Speaker 2:
[51:15] Magic of the CIA. It's all just the magic of the CIA. Okay, that said, I'm not trying to keep being critical here because the show is a lot of fun. I think maybe I'm watching the show and I get down a little bit and I'm like, what am I in for and then it begins and it's pretty goddamn fun. What's your, I mean, I don't know if you want to go through it in order or if you just want to say hi, what lights you up about the show?

Speaker 1:
[51:45] I think the digital screen that they use for sets in conjunction with practical props and set pieces and stuff. Just real quick, I thought it was impressive, 130 feet wide, 28 feet tall.

Speaker 3:
[52:03] The screen.

Speaker 1:
[52:04] Yeah, the screen. And it's used in ways where it's like the first time I saw it, I did not realize that the street fighting, most of those people in that scene are on the screen. They're not there.

Speaker 2:
[52:17] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[52:18] There's like two people, I think, that are.

Speaker 1:
[52:20] Yeah, the fighting people.

Speaker 2:
[52:22] I mean, that's crazy that we can't tell that we're in there looking at it with our own eyeballs and it is not clear. It's some of the fun I got to have on the Oscars when it was pitched to me if we do it this way. Just that you'll see that just with the power of the screen and still the onus is really on you to light those practical elements correctly. But if you have three things, people will buy whatever is back there. And you'd think it wouldn't be quite the same in a live setting. But how are we possibly confused that who's a flat person and who's live in the room with us? That's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3:
[53:01] I don't know anything about any technical aspects of it, but I guess it's like the resolution is so sharp or high now that you can really, your brain thinks it's seeing the three dimensions from the people more because the image is so clear.

Speaker 2:
[53:17] We're in 9K here. I guess that tells you something. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:21] But when you watch, it's funny because I was rewatching it on video and it looks better on video in a way because I was really fooled for a half second on one of these videos. I'm like, oh yeah, there's all those people. Oh wait, that's a screen.

Speaker 2:
[53:36] Yeah, geez.

Speaker 3:
[53:37] And so you see the trick that any of the better things that use the volume or whatever pulls off. I mean, I didn't know that that first Mandalorian season was the volume. Whenever they dropped that making of, I was like, wait, what?

Speaker 2:
[53:50] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[53:51] Like I was surprised.

Speaker 2:
[53:52] I had the big question also with what we were doing of can you, like yes, it works for extremely bright stuff, but if we need something that's very dark and very black, is that going to sell? And DP was just like, oh yeah, oh wait, no, don't even worry about that. That's true in this show as well because it goes from, with these cool digital transitions that kind of futzes you from fully black where it just works as if there's just a literal black wall there and then all of a sudden it's this bright Morocco scene.

Speaker 1:
[54:25] Well, and there is the moment early on after Jason Bourne wins the Pyrrhenoql boxing street fight, like he walks into a spotlight and everything else disappears because pretty much everything was digital.

Speaker 3:
[54:42] Yeah, everything on the stage, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[54:43] So he goes down an elevator and then the CIA officer comes up and they've got a real desk, but then of course the big board is obviously digital.

Speaker 3:
[54:55] Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:
[54:56] Those scenes are cool. It's like here's how we wipe the, here's how we get rid of like the big set pieces and it gives the stunt actors a break and lets them get into their next position. It's like well structured in a stage show sense.

Speaker 1:
[55:10] Yeah. And there's a lot of little elements that are show up in the movies that they do successfully do in the show. That like, for example, when they're walking through, I think it's a village in Morocco. They do the classic, I think they do this in most Bourne movies where like the CIA person is like, Jason's like, where are you? They go, I'm at home. And he goes, no, that's not true. Otherwise, we'd be having this conversation in person, like, cause he's in the house. And that's kind of a go-to thing. And they pull it off in this, and the screen suddenly shifts to like a DC neighborhood. And so the balcony and like the pillars are practical cause he's got to climb down it, but a lot of it's digital. And that's mixed in with like agents firing blanks, but then the bullet pops are on the screen.

Speaker 2:
[56:10] Yeah, yeah. Well, and that makes me happy that it's like continuing the legacy of T2-3D, of like that they're, you know, that Arnold, the fake Arnold in the room is firing into.

Speaker 1:
[56:23] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[56:23] Right. And the bullet holes show up, and you know, that sort of interaction. I'm just, I'm glad that this space remained a space for those kind of gags, you know.

Speaker 1:
[56:33] Yeah. It's very cleverly put together. They, I think, do a good job at simulating a car chase, even though it's funny, is on a three-wheeled bike.

Speaker 2:
[56:42] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[56:43] For some reason. And then they even, like, do, basically, bullet time.

Speaker 3:
[56:48] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[56:49] With, like, a lamp prop, and the footage slowing down.

Speaker 2:
[56:53] It's pretty neat.

Speaker 3:
[56:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[56:55] Yeah. I mean, they're able to shift the perspective on the screen and turn the physical items and rotate the bike and the cars exactly the right way. Because if you're just a little off with some of that stuff, it doesn't work at all. So, yeah, what a precise show. It's crazy.

Speaker 3:
[57:14] Can I shout out the 80s-looking apartment building?

Speaker 2:
[57:18] Oh, that's what I love. I'd love to live in that.

Speaker 3:
[57:19] Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking as well. And it seems like everyone has, like, a weird balcony pool.

Speaker 2:
[57:25] Yeah, every single balcony is a pool, which doesn't really make sense. But drown a guy via screen.

Speaker 3:
[57:31] Right.

Speaker 2:
[57:31] It dips a guy into a screen tank and you can kind of see his shadow.

Speaker 3:
[57:37] Yes, which is a fun little thing. But it does have, like, the, like, 80s, 80s-ish, like, cocaine apartment.

Speaker 2:
[57:43] Sort of Miami.

Speaker 3:
[57:44] Miami or city pop vibe going on there.

Speaker 1:
[57:47] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[57:47] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[57:48] Yeah. Dubai's a lot more neon than any other pictures I've seen.

Speaker 3:
[57:53] Yeah, I mean, probably is neon, right?

Speaker 1:
[57:55] I guess.

Speaker 3:
[57:56] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:56] It just, it looked a little more like a city in Asia, but it was cool because then he, like, flies on a helicopter. He's dangling off a helicopter.

Speaker 3:
[58:06] Yeah, that was one where I was, for a second, I was like, is there a helicopter in the room? OK, wait. No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[58:11] Yeah, I know. Yeah. And then the bike flips on the screen, but he's on a bike in person. I truly don't know where the bike, where the real practical bike goes. And how it transitions into.

Speaker 3:
[58:28] Do you think David Copperfield has ever seen this? Because there's a lot of big practical things.

Speaker 2:
[58:33] I mean, I think he's been busy with various things. OK.

Speaker 3:
[58:37] Helping a certain friend of a certain president.

Speaker 2:
[58:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, some of those people we mentioned earlier.

Speaker 1:
[58:42] Oh, God. Blue32 is friends with Trump?

Speaker 3:
[58:46] That's right. That's true.

Speaker 2:
[58:49] Love, Donald. Love. Yeah, I don't... Geez, I mean, I'm shocked at who I'm complimenting. It's John Binkowski here.

Speaker 3:
[58:59] Binkowski, look. This is like a third, I was going to say second act, but he's probably had such a long career. It's like third or fourth act.

Speaker 2:
[59:05] Yeah, yeah, I don't know exactly what he was doing before Hard Rock Park. Right. Wow. I mean, just the joy that he's given all of us. It does... Go ahead.

Speaker 3:
[59:13] It just does feel like such... It feels so hard to put this together. It just feels like so much work.

Speaker 2:
[59:20] Extremely. And how do you organize... It must have to go back and forth and have some partially rendered, pre-vis elements and then like, okay, so here's what the perspective will be. Okay, so we can start arranging our props and our stage in this way. Just anything where you're doing multiple processes at once, where the graphics have to match the stage.

Speaker 3:
[59:42] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[59:43] I mean, there must be a zone when you're putting that together, where it feels so nebulous and so complicated.

Speaker 3:
[59:48] Right.

Speaker 2:
[59:48] But then once it sinks, it's magic.

Speaker 3:
[59:51] It also feels like you could take this, and maybe they've done some part of this, you could take this and add in dialogue scenes and put it on Broadway. Like, legitimately.

Speaker 2:
[60:05] It could format for a, yeah, it might pack this. Although, if we're having trouble getting people in the seats when they're in the park already. But I think if you heard, I mean, have there been any shows or is this, would this kind of violate what people expect out of Broadway? Yeah, but there's like, if it was extremely LED wall oriented.

Speaker 3:
[60:24] But like the, I mean, puppet stuff in King Kong is like a giant, crazy, impressive puppet and stuff.

Speaker 2:
[60:30] That pushes Broadway a lot further into theme park, for sure.

Speaker 3:
[60:33] But it's been theme park-y for a long time. It's just been more artistic, the Julie Taymor of it all or whatever. But they've pushed it with the IP and the whatever. So it's like, it does kind of feel like, I'm not saying you should get rid of traditional musicals and plays. I'm just saying it does feel like you could do a full play.

Speaker 2:
[60:52] What should we put on for the next season? Merrily We Roll Along or Born on Broadway?

Speaker 1:
[61:00] Look, they love licensed adaptations.

Speaker 3:
[61:02] That's what I'm saying. It just feels like, yeah, you plug a theater like this in and you could run it for 10 years and then do another or like, you know, Sunshine Boys Extreme or something and use the technology for that show and do an updated version of the Sunshine Boys.

Speaker 1:
[61:17] Sunshine Boys Locked and Loaded.

Speaker 3:
[61:19] Locked and Loaded, yeah, starring Jason Sheridan and Clive Owen, young Clive Owen.

Speaker 1:
[61:24] Yeah, young Clive Owen.

Speaker 2:
[61:26] If we don't act now, there ain't going to be any more sunshine.

Speaker 3:
[61:30] You got to save the sun. We got to get around and rocket to the sun.

Speaker 1:
[61:34] I just remember there was another Clive Owen spy movie. I don't think I ever saw The International with him and Julia Roberts.

Speaker 3:
[61:42] I don't know that. I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[61:44] It was a 2000.

Speaker 3:
[61:46] I haven't seen a Clive Owen movie in a while, honestly.

Speaker 2:
[61:48] Even though he's your guy.

Speaker 3:
[61:49] He's my guy, yeah. He's great.

Speaker 1:
[61:53] I haven't seen Franca Potenta in much, but she works a lot. She's just been a lot.

Speaker 3:
[61:58] Is she your girl?

Speaker 1:
[61:59] Huh?

Speaker 3:
[61:59] Is she your girl or girl?

Speaker 1:
[62:01] I think she's terrific. Okay.

Speaker 3:
[62:03] Well, she's got this terrific seal.

Speaker 6:
[62:04] She's got the terrific seal.

Speaker 1:
[62:06] I think she's in a lot of stuff. I mean, she's in some British shows or German shows. She's in The Conjuring, one of the Conjuring movies.

Speaker 2:
[62:14] He's care of Jason. Jason only applies the terrific label to every actor. If you act. You act. You're terrific. And that's not every person. You have to at least the first step. One is you act in something. Step two is you are terrific.

Speaker 1:
[62:30] Matt, ride the movies, baby.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] Step for Adrian Brody.

Speaker 2:
[62:35] I'm going to bring another voice into this discussion, which is the person who I saw this show with. I saw it in 2023 when we were down there for live shows. And I saw it with a man who has many titles on this show, accidental PTR legend, completer, and roller, not rocker. Let's be extremely clear. But roller will give you. Griffin Newman. I was with Griffin. I thought this morning, I was like, I did it like a scary spy movie countdown. I said, is there anything you'd like to get off your chest about The Bourne Stuntacular? We have four hours. And he did do so despite that limited time frame, and despite him having some other business he was attending to. So if you don't mind, I'd like to play a little bit of the thoughts of Griffin Newman.

Speaker 6:
[63:33] Hello, this is foreign correspondent, Griffin Newman, out on assignment. I'm actually just in the safety and security of a podcast recording studio. But using revolutionary new technology, I can place myself in the perspective as if I am at LaGuardia Airport in Queens, waiting to board a flight to Madison, Wisconsin, and just using the bathroom. Hold on one second while I use a Dyson air machine.

Speaker 2:
[64:05] Oh, it's like we're there. Oh my God, proprietary technology.

Speaker 6:
[64:10] I can place my body into the experience of what it would feel like to fly to Wisconsin in honor of the Bourne Stuntacular and abysmal attraction, in my humble opinion, that I understand you guys are covering today on the show.

Speaker 2:
[64:25] Whoa, Jason's upset.

Speaker 6:
[64:27] I see I hold a lot of immediate animosity for this attraction, replacing T2.

Speaker 1:
[64:33] Oh, okay.

Speaker 6:
[64:34] I've battled across time. I believe I previously called one of the five best movies ever made on your podcast is the thing that got me into the Terminator franchise in the first place is I'm realizing the first James Cameron movie I ever saw, and in a front to art and American history, Universal has chosen to not only not preserve it, but to tear it down to make it functionally unwatchable to future generations and place it with the Bourne Stuntacular, which eats ass. And I say that in a negative way, because I'm of a lamer generation, it still finds ass eating kind of yucky as a concept.

Speaker 3:
[65:15] Hold on a second, Jason, what do you think about that comment?

Speaker 6:
[65:18] Sorry, Mike. Sorry, either because I can't tell if you like eating ass these days or if eating ass is the thing that would offend your sensibilities.

Speaker 2:
[65:27] All right, do we have anything to say? I mean, you made a face, you made a big face when that was, a lot of this was said.

Speaker 1:
[65:34] Don't knock it till you're trying.

Speaker 3:
[65:36] You said that really breathtakingly.

Speaker 1:
[65:38] Oh, that one, okay.

Speaker 2:
[65:39] Whoa, Jason, Mike, you're getting your wish.

Speaker 3:
[65:42] No, I know, that's what I wanted, yeah. He's feeling energetic, maybe he's feeling a little wild up, he's feeling a little peckish.

Speaker 2:
[65:49] Is he ever bought a hat that just says eating ass?

Speaker 3:
[65:51] No, but I can buy it for him. I'm happy to buy it for him.

Speaker 1:
[65:56] He used to be able to buy a hat that said eating ash in Paris.

Speaker 3:
[65:59] That's true.

Speaker 2:
[66:01] Would you like to hear more? Or do you want to shut this off and not hear one minute more of the... This recording is four minutes long.

Speaker 3:
[66:09] I honestly shorter than I was expecting.

Speaker 1:
[66:11] Yeah, I thought it was going to be like seven or nine.

Speaker 3:
[66:12] I thought it was nine.

Speaker 2:
[66:13] You're expecting the standard Griffin length of two and a half hours.

Speaker 3:
[66:16] Right, the full podcast he recorded alone at LaGuardia.

Speaker 1:
[66:19] I do want to know how he got such good audio quality in a bathroom.

Speaker 2:
[66:24] Maybe it's air-pod mics. The man deals in audio, you know?

Speaker 1:
[66:26] Air-pod mics, I guess.

Speaker 2:
[66:27] And it's proprietary technology. Right, that's true. Okay, well, let's hear what else he has to say.

Speaker 6:
[66:31] The Bourne Stuntacular, in my opinion, is a terrible match of material and format. The Bourne franchise, while known for having great stunts, are based on those stunts being pretty real world, stripped down, realistic, rough around the edges. You know, Bourne's often blamed for the rise of shaky cam in action cinema, sort of docudrama style. And so converting that into a incredibly expensive, tech-driven stunt show with theme park actors is a really, really bad fit. For me, that reaches its peak when you have a villainous character literally waving his fist at the air and yelling, Bourne, as a platform lowers him back underneath the stage again. It also feels like this weird, like, avatar technology they're trying to use to explain why you're not just watching a stunt show, you're in the stunt show, but you're not him, it just feels like you're him.

Speaker 1:
[67:33] Yeah, the logic is a little thin.

Speaker 6:
[67:35] Doing a stunt show about, hey, this is how we made the movies.

Speaker 2:
[67:40] Why aren't we making movies again?

Speaker 6:
[67:42] Why aren't we breaking down the process? Why am I watching fake Matt Damon do fake shit, and Julia Stahl is telling me it's as if I'm there?

Speaker 2:
[67:49] Well, look, I will say to that, were we not, was he not in love with fake Arnold and fake Linda Hamilton and fake Eddie Farrell? Right, fake is. So that's a bit of a, we're accustomed to this, this happens. The yelling of the, yelling, born! I don't know much about these movies, but it definitely doesn't feel like the movie. But you also brought that up as something that you were delighted by.

Speaker 1:
[68:11] Well, I was delighted by, I think that's form, I think that's because it's a theme park stunt show, it's going to automatically be a bit more heightened and more silly.

Speaker 3:
[68:21] It's like what in the movies would they say just born?

Speaker 1:
[68:23] Chris Cooper, I mean, people do yell a lot, but they're usually yelling in conference rooms or offices.

Speaker 3:
[68:28] Right, but they don't do a big super villain, Dooms, Dr. Dooms style thing.

Speaker 1:
[68:34] Richards! No, Chris Cooper is kind of like mean in the first one.

Speaker 3:
[68:38] Clive Owen would have been a good Dr. Doom.

Speaker 1:
[68:40] Oh, he would have been a great Dr. Doom.

Speaker 3:
[68:41] Really been a good Dr. Doom, yeah. But down he's going to smoke him. We know. Whatever this voice he's doing.

Speaker 2:
[68:48] This is everything. Everything's writing on the voice for you right now.

Speaker 3:
[68:51] I'm so excited about the voice.

Speaker 2:
[68:53] You're stressed about the world.

Speaker 3:
[68:54] I'm so excited about the voice.

Speaker 2:
[68:56] What if it's just, what's the worst that could happen? It's just a normal voice.

Speaker 3:
[68:59] Well, the worst that could happen is it's a Doolittle situation.

Speaker 2:
[69:02] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[69:03] Where he did a voice.

Speaker 2:
[69:03] But you want the worst in that case.

Speaker 3:
[69:06] I'm ready for anything. If for some reason he's like unbelievably fun, great. But yes, I kind of do want to do a little situation where like they couldn't understand him on set and they had to dub it later.

Speaker 1:
[69:18] I don't think Academy Award winning actor Robert Downey Jr. is gonna be the problem in that. What I would like to, I'll tell you what I'm hoping for the voice of Doom.

Speaker 3:
[69:28] Oh, go ahead.

Speaker 1:
[69:29] Is I want him, Doom is kind of like very haughty and pretentious in a lot of portrayals in the comics.

Speaker 3:
[69:39] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[69:39] I want him to do like a mid Atlantic, like old movies, like, ah, yes, yes. Oh, Reed, more foolishness on your part, Richards. You know, I want him to do that. Maybe a little mouthful, obviously, by the mask. I don't want to gravelly though.

Speaker 3:
[69:59] Okay. I don't think they're gonna do like an old time movie star.

Speaker 1:
[70:03] I think that's a poor choice. I think he should sound like William Powell in front of a fake man.

Speaker 3:
[70:10] Yeah, I think he's gonna have a vague Eastern European accent. That's what I think.

Speaker 1:
[70:14] That's a good one.

Speaker 2:
[70:15] Like kind of that Vaughn, he'll take literally, like what is that? All right, so where is he from?

Speaker 3:
[70:20] He's from Latveria, the real fake country.

Speaker 2:
[70:24] So he'll look up like what is the real world equivalent of Latveria.

Speaker 3:
[70:27] Latvia.

Speaker 2:
[70:28] Yeah, okay, he'll just see what's the closest letters wise. Yeah. And then he'll like immerse himself in Latvian accents for six months and then it'll just be like, ah, I'm Dr. Vaughn Doom.

Speaker 3:
[70:41] I am Swedish or something. Like, it'll just sound like this, like something. That's what I'm hoping for something. Something we're not, I'm actually hoping for something we're not expecting.

Speaker 1:
[70:50] I want something big, though, because Doom's like a scene chewing villain.

Speaker 3:
[70:54] Yeah, sure. I know.

Speaker 2:
[70:56] Yeah, yeah. We'll see. All right, let me let me let me get to it. I don't know where else he goes with this.

Speaker 6:
[71:01] Much like you guys listening to this right now feel like I've just been told that my flight is about to start boarding, but that's actually a simulation. I think it sucks. I think obviously they should have kept it to 3D.

Speaker 2:
[71:14] He's being brutal.

Speaker 1:
[71:15] He is being brutal.

Speaker 2:
[71:16] This is harsh for him. This is not really how he is, I would say, in discussing theme park attractions ever. And are you offended that he's chosen this venue? And by the way, let me say this also, that this was no... I don't think he was aware of your particular fondness for it. So this is just kind of a blind... This is not some Jason attack. I want to be...

Speaker 1:
[71:36] I think this is probably... I haven't read the Robert Ludlum books. My dad really liked them. But my family always saw these together, so we usually had a good time. But I feel like we all liked detective novels and spy novel. And so we're probably giving it a lot of benefit of the doubt. Don't get me wrong, this is not for everyone. Sure, sure.

Speaker 2:
[72:01] Well, it's sure not for Griffin. Let's see what else...

Speaker 3:
[72:03] Jason, hold on. Hold on. Just because this guy's your friend, you don't have to go easy on him. If this is some shit take you think is bullshit, let him have it.

Speaker 2:
[72:11] You want Jason to make a choice here. The way you want Robert Downey Jr. to make a choice.

Speaker 3:
[72:16] Jason, do a Eastern European accent and let Griffin have it for this bullshit. This is one of your favorite fucking rides.

Speaker 2:
[72:23] Don't offend it. If nothing else, hit Griffin where it hurts. Remind him that he has no idea how to rock. No clue.

Speaker 4:
[72:33] Remind him of his most fragile core issue.

Speaker 2:
[72:38] Take him down.

Speaker 1:
[72:39] Griffin Newman, you are playing with fire. You're going to cross the Treadstone program.

Speaker 2:
[72:47] Who are you being right now? After doing what I think.

Speaker 1:
[72:49] No, he told me to do it Eastern European.

Speaker 2:
[72:52] I thought maybe you were being a carer.

Speaker 1:
[72:53] It wasn't good.

Speaker 2:
[72:54] That's how Chris Cooper talked in the first movie.

Speaker 1:
[72:56] It was a cold read. We started the second season of The Combat to catch up for the third. Griffin T2. She does a cold read and she doesn't feel good about it, but it's great.

Speaker 3:
[73:07] Terminator is old news. Come on, show sucks. They've sucked. It was outdated. Yeah, your memories of liking it as a child. Who gives a shit? Come on, Bourne is cool. Yeah, it's just a little theatrical. It's a little silly, but that's what we like in theme parks. We have to exaggerate the original material. We're not going to just have people brawling in the aisles. It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4:
[73:27] This is a big spectacle.

Speaker 1:
[73:29] We need a reason for two giant plumes of flame to come out of the stage. Of course, we want flames.

Speaker 2:
[73:36] I like when you go over the smokestacks and they light it. They shoot fire on screen and then the perspective keeps moving above them and then the fire's on the stage.

Speaker 3:
[73:45] By the way, I'm not mad at what he's saying.

Speaker 2:
[73:47] Yeah, yeah, no, you're, no, you're, you're just, I'm trying to get him going. You just want somebody to be mad somewhere.

Speaker 3:
[73:52] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[73:52] You don't want it to just be this, this pre-recorded. Right. Griffin's off mad getting on a plane in LaGuardia. Right. And might still be mad now that he's landed in Madison, Wisconsin, but you want some live anger to froth up where we are.

Speaker 3:
[74:06] This is what the show's about.

Speaker 1:
[74:07] He was a little stern boy. He was always saying, I want to make good radio. No, that's good radio. That makes great radio.

Speaker 3:
[74:16] Yes, conflict. Conflict makes great radio. And I just want to get, yeah, let him have it. I just think you should let him have it.

Speaker 2:
[74:21] The thing is, he did about the issue he cared about, which is eating ass. He did. Jason did hit him instantly on that issue. So let's hear the rest.

Speaker 6:
[74:31] I think it sucks. I think, obviously, they should have kept T2 3D, but short of that, this format would have been a much better fit for the Fast and Furious franchise, since the sort of screen technology seems to work really well for vehicle shit, which is not really the Bourne Forte, but is obviously the Forte of our friends, our family from the Fast and Furious franchise. I give this an F. I wish I was giving it an F for Fast and Furious. Or I wish I was giving it an A plus for T2 3D Battlegrounds time. Mike, sorry, or you're welcome for the ass eating comments.

Speaker 2:
[75:08] Well, it's a mixed bag. You got conflict out of it, but you also had to think about an ass. You had to hear the word ass. Forget the eating concept, just hearing the word ass was a lot for you, but we muscled through.

Speaker 3:
[75:23] I'm upset.

Speaker 1:
[75:24] There's a lot of nerve endings in that part of the body.

Speaker 3:
[75:27] That's what I know. Yeah, right. Let him have it.

Speaker 2:
[75:30] That's the most upsetting. That was more viscerally upsetting to me than anything else that's been said.

Speaker 1:
[75:35] I've had to learn a lot about the nervous system and various muscles over the years recently.

Speaker 3:
[75:41] But not for eating ass though, or it's just a happy side effect.

Speaker 2:
[75:47] He didn't say where and when he learned it.

Speaker 3:
[75:49] That's true.

Speaker 2:
[75:50] And what part of his physical dealings. I'm not passionate about this enough to let him have it, but I think F is pretty strong. Pre-show, yes. I think that's a horrendous pre-show. The show itself, maybe it helps that I have no dog in the fight, and they don't need to reflect the franchise. If it's a ticket, because all bets are off, franchise-wise for me in theme parks. If they're doing big silly shit, then I'm happy. And they do here. So I think he's under, I think F is extreme. I didn't know he felt that. I was next to him, and I didn't know how negative he felt about it.

Speaker 1:
[76:30] I thought you had alluded, when you guys had seen it first, and I thought you alluded to it being bad. So when I did finally watch it, I think I went in with very low expectations, and I told Alicia I was blown away the first time.

Speaker 2:
[76:47] You might have helped cause it, but if you talked to us and our reaction was not great, then we set your expectations low, and then you got to rise above them like you were hanging off a helicopter.

Speaker 1:
[76:58] I think, look, it gets very silly, the hanging off the helicopter into the car chase, which is technically very impressive, and then he flies off a cliff, but he also can use a tactical parachute while making a perfectly legible phone call. Like, it gets a little silly. That gets in the deep part.

Speaker 2:
[77:21] Clearer than the voice memo we just heard, yes, yeah. And that it lands, that the car lands, like it's going off a cliff, and it could land in any amount of landscape at the bottom of the cliff, but where does it land on top of a giant propane tank?

Speaker 1:
[77:37] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[77:37] Which I like. Yes, of course. It doesn't seem like something that would happen in the movies. However, I was a tour guide. Oh, is that so?

Speaker 1:
[77:46] In the first movie, they're in a country house in Clive Owen as a sniper rifle trying to kill Borg.

Speaker 3:
[77:53] With the little glasses.

Speaker 1:
[77:54] And Matt Damon has a shotgun and he runs out of the house and immediately shoots something flammable, which causes a huge explosion, a huge puff of smoke.

Speaker 3:
[78:05] What's Griffin talking about?

Speaker 1:
[78:06] Clive Owen can't see.

Speaker 2:
[78:09] This is perfectly, it seems like, yes, from the evidence that's been presented, this is exactly the kind of thing that would and does happen in the franchise.

Speaker 1:
[78:16] I think it was a perfect call back to a movie from 25 years beforehand. I don't know. Maybe they were like, oh, we should use that big explosion.

Speaker 3:
[78:25] I want to make this very clear. I wish just T2 is still here. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1:
[78:31] I think we all. I do too.

Speaker 3:
[78:32] But I want to speak for you and say like, oh, Griffin, the poor Bourne movies. Oh, we've taken them and we've exaggerated the Bourne movies. The spirit of Bourne isn't in the show. Who cares? We don't care. We want something fun and exciting.

Speaker 1:
[78:47] What?

Speaker 3:
[78:47] It's going to be just like a street level action the whole time. And there's going to be just like one gunshot and a propane tank blows up. No, we want cars crashing. We want nonsense.

Speaker 1:
[78:57] Well, the movie, I mean, technology is a huge part of the movies. So I think it is copacetic to make this a really technologically advanced, as Universal says, technologically advanced show.

Speaker 3:
[79:11] Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. So, I mean, if the I'm trying to think like Indiana Jones stunt show, there's a little more personality in that. Like there might be an opportunity to put some sort of more personality in it. But I don't feel like the movies even have that much personality from somebody who doesn't watch them. So, maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like maybe that's the one element I would, I kind of left going like, oh, it's like all action and it's really impressive and cool. But I want a little like something, little pieces of dialogue that you would want to like chant along with or something.

Speaker 1:
[79:42] Well, he has cartoon amnesia for most of the first movie.

Speaker 3:
[79:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[79:46] And then he spends most of the other movies trying to piece together what his life was.

Speaker 3:
[79:51] Right. Yeah. So something more accurate would be a stunt show where a man tries to remember who he was. He just kind of walks around and asks people like, what did I do? Who am I?

Speaker 1:
[80:06] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[80:06] I mean, if you're following the logic of the franchise.

Speaker 1:
[80:10] I think some tired dads get heatstroke and have that effect.

Speaker 3:
[80:15] You think a lot of guys get heatstroke in Orlando and forget who they are?

Speaker 1:
[80:20] I think potentially.

Speaker 3:
[80:22] That's at least what they told the judge later on when they left their family.

Speaker 1:
[80:26] You hit up fat Tuesdays for a yard of liquor slush, you know?

Speaker 3:
[80:30] I mean, I have the opposite. I know exactly who I am when I'm drinking at CityWalk Orlando. I'm Michael Carlson, the greatest man who ever lived.

Speaker 2:
[80:39] The number one version of yourself, much higher than father and husband.

Speaker 3:
[80:43] That's correct.

Speaker 1:
[80:45] Take out the swamps. Are you excited for the return of Jelly Rolls? Apparently, you found a location close to Disney World.

Speaker 3:
[80:53] I'm all over this new story that broke April 2nd, right the day after April, because I was like, is April Fool's Day?

Speaker 2:
[80:59] Thank God, because if they announced Jelly Rolls is coming back and then it wasn't, what an epic April Fool's Day break that would be. It would sweep the Internet.

Speaker 3:
[81:07] It's just barely technically on Disney grounds.

Speaker 2:
[81:11] Yeah, so they say, and even that, we don't know exactly.

Speaker 3:
[81:13] We don't know where it is. I've tried to get people we know to go take a look, because supposedly they're building a place? I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[81:19] Can you just go to every hotel in the area and just tell me if you hear any pianos? Like hammers or, yeah, piano keys being placed on a piano's body.

Speaker 1:
[81:31] Mike, you mentioned?

Speaker 3:
[81:32] But it's near Disney Springs. Whatever the non-Disney hotels by Disney Springs, supposedly that's the zone.

Speaker 1:
[81:39] Some of those are supposed to be very nice.

Speaker 3:
[81:41] I've never been over there.

Speaker 1:
[81:42] I've never been over there. It's not my business. Mike, you mentioned Mission Impossible earlier. The star of the fourth movie, the one without Matt Damon, is Jeremy Renner.

Speaker 3:
[81:55] It is Jeremy Renner.

Speaker 1:
[81:56] Do you remember when Jeremy Renner was going to take over both Mission Impossible and Bourne?

Speaker 3:
[82:01] Well, he's in Mission Impossible 4 to get him, supposedly at the time that was the thing of like, we're getting him ready to take it over.

Speaker 1:
[82:09] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[82:10] And then at a certain point, Tom went, no, that is not happening.

Speaker 1:
[82:13] I mean, he's just so charismatic.

Speaker 3:
[82:15] Tom.

Speaker 1:
[82:16] No, Jeremy.

Speaker 3:
[82:17] Oh, really?

Speaker 1:
[82:18] Yeah, he's so charismatic.

Speaker 3:
[82:19] More than Tom?

Speaker 1:
[82:20] Just stay out of his way. If you're a snowplow or a woman.

Speaker 3:
[82:24] Well, the snowplow won.

Speaker 1:
[82:26] I suppose.

Speaker 3:
[82:28] Snowplow almost killed him.

Speaker 1:
[82:29] Snowplow won.

Speaker 3:
[82:30] He didn't beat up the snowplow.

Speaker 1:
[82:35] Do we know? Is he in Doomsday?

Speaker 3:
[82:38] I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[82:38] I can't remember. Because there was a clip of him and Brie Larson, not sure if they were in the movie.

Speaker 3:
[82:43] Look, I do not. I know a few things for sure, but I don't know that.

Speaker 1:
[82:47] That could have been K-Fabe.

Speaker 3:
[82:48] Yeah, I don't know. Look.

Speaker 1:
[82:50] I just know we got to feed our sin. The medicine. That was his album. That was his single.

Speaker 2:
[82:58] I didn't know what that referred to.

Speaker 3:
[83:00] I did not remember that either.

Speaker 1:
[83:01] Well, he also does a cover of The House of the Rising Sun.

Speaker 3:
[83:04] Well, we played that on Podcast The Ride years ago, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 2:
[83:07] Yeah, yeah, I do recall that. But Griffin would hate that shit. That rock's way harder than he ever could.

Speaker 1:
[83:15] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[83:15] He can't even, this guy can't even, he wants to come in and feed his opinions to Jason.

Speaker 3:
[83:19] Unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[83:19] When this guy can't even rock like Renner. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 3:
[83:22] He cannot rock like Renner, that's for sure.

Speaker 1:
[83:24] I do.

Speaker 2:
[83:25] Can't rock like Leto.

Speaker 3:
[83:26] Can't rock.

Speaker 2:
[83:27] Like Jared, like Jeremy. If you're an actor with a Johnny Depp, Griffin can't rock, put a J in your name and then we'll see what happens.

Speaker 3:
[83:36] I'm right. He's got all these.

Speaker 2:
[83:38] Maybe if you're, when you're Griffin Newman.

Speaker 1:
[83:41] He's got. He had some blast with me today. I would like to hear his opinions on Vin Diesel's two singles from 2020.

Speaker 3:
[83:50] He doesn't even understand it. He doesn't even know what it is. He can't even listen to music and know.

Speaker 1:
[83:55] He doesn't get feel like I do like I do.

Speaker 3:
[83:58] He can't shake or dance or jump up and down.

Speaker 2:
[84:01] There aren't even visuals to go with this. This is so short.

Speaker 3:
[84:04] This is no movie.

Speaker 2:
[84:05] Yes, this is only several minutes long, not long movie length.

Speaker 1:
[84:09] Song not movie. Song not movie at all.

Speaker 3:
[84:13] Average time Griffin's listening to a CD is what he says. Unbelievable. I'm mad for you, by the way. I'm not mad at him.

Speaker 1:
[84:19] Where Agnes Farda? Where Tony Scott? Music not movie.

Speaker 2:
[84:24] Now Vin Diesel puts out a song performed by two pianos and he's in and that works great for him.

Speaker 3:
[84:30] Vin Diesel teams up with Jerry Lee Lewis. Griffin understands that. That makes sense.

Speaker 2:
[84:36] Vin Diesel plays Jerry Lee Lewis in next topic. Anything else you want to say about the show? I got one more little thing to talk about, but you should be able to, I'm glad that you stood your ground against this non-rocking fucker.

Speaker 1:
[84:50] So, that's the, Julia Stiles' line is that's a trouble with spies. We all live for living. That was good. I like that.

Speaker 3:
[84:58] You love that lying line.

Speaker 1:
[84:59] I like that line. I like the crazy ending. You love liars. I really like the fake buildings that he's, they do get both the Bourne hand in combat. The stage combat in this is great. He's jumping from buildings. He's climbing from buildings. He's dodging bullets in the Dubai apartment and then he like jumps out one to the guy. Like that's so crazy.

Speaker 3:
[85:26] The whole thing reminds me of a video game too.

Speaker 1:
[85:28] It's very video game coded. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[85:31] So like just the way, like as an old side scrolling video game where you like pop up. It also kind of, it also, it also, this is what I think. Like, well, does Nickelodeon exist anymore? Kind of, just for Spongebob.

Speaker 2:
[85:47] There's things made 30 years ago, nonstop, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[85:50] Yeah, but they should do Nick Arcade like this. Cause Nick Arcade was my favorite show as a kid, but the reality of how kids would have to play that when they went inside the game at the end, was just like they were in front of a non-descript staircase and they couldn't see the things that were happening to them. They were looking at a monitor, but like truly like an LED screen like this, where you could kind of play the game in a big way. Seems awesome.

Speaker 1:
[86:17] Yeah, I mean, yeah. They could do it for like Minecraft or Fortnite, but they'd have to get private servers to keep the predators out.

Speaker 3:
[86:27] From Nick Arcade?

Speaker 1:
[86:28] From Nick Arcade, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[86:29] You're saying in the modern day, Nick Arcade would be full.

Speaker 1:
[86:31] Nick Arcade servers and either rate it. That's a full. Do kids know Leroy Jenkins?

Speaker 3:
[86:38] I mean, I think that's an old reference at this point.

Speaker 1:
[86:41] Yeah, it's probably 20 plus years old at this point.

Speaker 3:
[86:43] Yeah. You know what he's talking about?

Speaker 2:
[86:45] That kind of.

Speaker 1:
[86:46] It was a.

Speaker 2:
[86:47] You don't have to.

Speaker 1:
[86:48] No, it's fine. It was a group of people were doing a raid in World of Warcraft and they were trying to plan it very carefully and one guy yelled Leroy Jenkins just ran right in and got everyone killed.

Speaker 3:
[87:00] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[87:01] It was an early viral video. You see, it was an early funny clip.

Speaker 3:
[87:06] I like the idea they bring Nick Arcade back and you have to play that you're inside the game now, but you also have to like get away from predators also and the headset trying to come at you. It's a funny, a fun extra element.

Speaker 2:
[87:16] Yeah. Real brings the real world element into it.

Speaker 3:
[87:19] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:20] Let me bring up something just on the way out of the door because I did not realize the Frank Marshall component.

Speaker 3:
[87:25] Oh yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:25] Of this. I even didn't realize the Frank Marshall component when I was watching a behind the scenes video because, as we said, this attraction opened in 2020, and the behind the scenes materials were also shot in 2020. So, and it's pretty deep pandemic, so we're still wearing masks indoors even to make something where somebody's talking to camera.

Speaker 3:
[87:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:46] So the whole thing is like, The Bourne Stuntacular provides you with an incredible visual. The new K-Sat is there. And there is a part, they were really trumpeting the producer of it, and it was incredible, first of all, that they credit the Ludlum estate. I was really happy to work with the Ludlum estate, as well as incredible producer Fred Marshall. And I was like, Fred Marshall? Who's that? And then I'm looking up Fred Marshall for a second. Then I realized, okay, I misheard it. That was Masked Muffle, and it was Frank Marshall. Two things really fast about that. Then they cut to the man himself. And there's been a lot of talk on this show about what an order this man is, and the incredible dynamic speaking of Frank Marshall that makes you, where you feel, even if he has not spoken, just thinking about him speaking makes you feel as if he has spoken. That is what a speaker this guy is. And we haven't had a lot of opportunities to let Frank speak on the show. And so I'd like to do that really quick. I also really like, this is like a funny digital transition kind of screen where it's like code that shoots out of the middle. And just the frame that I landed on, it's just Frank Marshall's mouth just poking out of a, we'll have to screenshot this for...

Speaker 3:
[89:07] It's like a weird, not Wienerville, but some weird old Nickelodeon thing.

Speaker 2:
[89:14] There's something, it's like it's just the mouth of the Conan Clutch cargo pieces.

Speaker 3:
[89:21] I hate to say this, but...

Speaker 2:
[89:23] I don't think you do.

Speaker 3:
[89:24] You know what I was...

Speaker 2:
[89:26] Is it about something that Griffin said earlier?

Speaker 3:
[89:29] No, it's like a Frank Marshall fleshlight.

Speaker 1:
[89:34] Michael, that's more crass than the eating ass.

Speaker 3:
[89:39] I mean, I guess it is, yeah, but that's what they did. That's what they did. They made me think of that.

Speaker 2:
[89:44] Would you call that a Frank light because of the F, or would you call it a marsh light because of the SH? What has more of a ring to it? If you were in the market for a Frank Marshall fleshlight, what would you call it? Anyway, let's not step on this guy with all this dirty shit. Let's let this guy, the kind of speech that we could have gotten if he spoke on the night where you yelled at us that he spoke. Here we go.

Speaker 6:
[90:06] Good evening, and thanks so much for having me tonight.

Speaker 3:
[90:09] Wow.

Speaker 6:
[90:10] I wish I could be there in person, but I'm hunkered down here in a CIA safe house somewhere in Los Angeles, and they haven't given me the code to get out yet. But I'm really excited for all of you, because you are about to experience something like you've never experienced before.

Speaker 2:
[90:25] Oh my God. Isn't that...

Speaker 3:
[90:26] He's like...

Speaker 2:
[90:27] Get this, he electrifies.

Speaker 3:
[90:29] He's like Bob Chapek. He's so exciting to hear speak.

Speaker 2:
[90:33] Oh, yeah. No, he's Chapek level, and we all endured that four-minute clip of Griffin Blathering on and on, not rocking with his words one bit. And then this guy, yeah, can this guy rock when he talks? Can this guy rock and talk? I think we just dance.

Speaker 3:
[90:48] I think so. Well, we know he's a DJ.

Speaker 2:
[90:50] You know, very do we know that we do? You know that?

Speaker 3:
[90:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[90:54] You don't explain Frank Marshall thing.

Speaker 3:
[90:56] We've talked about it on the show before.

Speaker 1:
[90:57] We talked about DJ Marshall.

Speaker 2:
[90:59] And but remember, I forget everything that's ever said about this guy.

Speaker 3:
[91:03] He plays guitar with Jimmy Buffett.

Speaker 2:
[91:04] Great.

Speaker 3:
[91:05] Of course. And he's a DJ. DJs on the all the after parties, all the movies he produces generally.

Speaker 1:
[91:10] Jane kept asking me if he was dead. Who? Frank Marshall?

Speaker 3:
[91:14] And I was like, why do you say keep asking?

Speaker 1:
[91:16] She asked me numerous times last night, are you sure she's not dead? You guys talk about him all the time.

Speaker 2:
[91:22] Is he dead?

Speaker 1:
[91:22] Is he dead? And I'm like, I think you're thinking of Frank Wells. And she's like, that's it.

Speaker 2:
[91:29] Oh, a different Frank.

Speaker 1:
[91:29] That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2:
[91:30] Long ago, death, yes.

Speaker 1:
[91:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[91:33] But anyways, that's not why I brought him up. There's something that I just didn't, recalling Frank Marshall and being thrilled that he was gonna come up again and we were gonna get said that we would talk about him again. I started looking at his body of work, I looked at his Wikipedia. I was looking at the things that he directed and just skimming through it. And some of these we know, we know Arachnophobia and we know Congo and we know the Beach Boys documentary, the worst piece of Beach Boys long form film material in 60 years of the band existing bar none. We know these things that we know. But here's one that I'm not sure that we do know, or it certainly hasn't been said on the show before. You guys are familiar with the name Johnny Baggo? No. Wow, I can't believe you have not. You who track every move of Frank Marshall, but also who tracks every move of somebody very close to Frank Marshall, I would like to play, this will just explain itself, I'm going to play the theme song of a summer 1993 CBS television series. The show is called Johnny Baggo. And any questions that you have maybe will be answered by the song, but if not, I will try to answer them for you. But here we go, Johnny Baggo. Yeah, so like, okay, so some of this has been explained a little bit. We are watching a guy who like, there's a gun goes off in sort of a mob type setting, but Johnny Baggo, the titular character, was not involved in this. He was framed by the mob for a crime that he did not commit, and he is forced to go on the lam in a bago, in a Winnebago.

Speaker 1:
[93:49] That I did in my head. I was like, I bet there's a Winnebago thing.

Speaker 2:
[93:53] If you wonder why bago, I mean, imagine me before I saw, I'm just looking at the title, not saying it right, Johnny Baggo. What the is this show? But yeah, then Burt Reynolds movie style, you've got a monkey running around too. And of course, if you couldn't tell, this Jimmy Buffett theme song, I mean, this is a wild thing. Nobody's ever come across this before?

Speaker 3:
[94:14] I have not.

Speaker 2:
[94:15] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[94:15] Denise Crosby was on the show?

Speaker 2:
[94:18] Does that mean she was on Star Trek? Yeah. The names are stacked of this show, including the creators of the show. This show was created by, have you ever heard of this guy, Robert Zemeckis? Robert Zemeckis created the show. It's created by Zemeckis. Johnny Baggo. Seaman and Jeffrey Price, who were the writers of Vufra and Roger Rabbit. Frank Marshall produced Roger Rabbit as well. I mean, obviously, he worked on the next feature, but I think it was this crew, just like, I actually watched an entertainment tonight about how this show came together, and the reporter said, according to the creators, the premise for the show was concocted while the group was having fun. And I think that's what it was. They were just like, what's something that would be a reason to do TV, where we would all just get to hang out? And that's where this show came from. And it's about like, he's on the lam, but he has all these adventures and gets to like experience the rich fabric of our country by becoming Johnny Bagel. He wasn't named Johnny Bagel before, I guess I should say.

Speaker 3:
[95:18] Yeah, that was like nickname ascribed to him later.

Speaker 2:
[95:21] Yes, due to the bagel. This only ran for like seven episodes. I don't think this was well received at all. But here is in this episode where we've talked about our guys, about Frank Marshall, about John Binkowski. It's a stacked lineup in general of who put this show together. Only those seven episodes, one's directed by Zemeckis, one's directed by Frank Marshall, one's directed by Brian Spicer. Who's Brian Spicer, you ask? He made a little movie called Mighty Morphin Power Rangers The Movie. Whoa. The man who brought Ivan Ooze to the big screen.

Speaker 1:
[95:50] Our guys, Binkowski, Marshall, Ooze.

Speaker 2:
[95:53] Ooze. And one more, let's keep it creepy here because there's a guy named Oz Scott who directed one. He's not the creep. He directed a creepy character in a podcast The Ride canon, beloved film, Mr. Boogity. Whoa. Really? Yeah. The forces that brought you Roger Rabbit, Ooze, Boogity, all came together. Buffett, the people who brought you the song Margaritaville.

Speaker 3:
[96:24] Wow. That's really a great...

Speaker 2:
[96:27] I hope we missed that.

Speaker 3:
[96:28] Did you watch? Did you try watching it?

Speaker 2:
[96:30] No. I can't imagine. It's probably not good.

Speaker 3:
[96:34] That's the problem, because I've wanted to do that show. I showed you a year or two ago Half Nelson, starring Joe Pesci and Dean Martin and Dick Butkus.

Speaker 2:
[96:46] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[96:47] It's a huge cast. There's a long I Love LA ripoff as the theme song, which I really like, but I'm sure the show sucks, unfortunately.

Speaker 2:
[96:57] That's the unfortunate thing, but the opening's pretty fun. It applies a lot of fun. You gotta love something. It's almost like they made a fake intro for a show that doesn't exist by virtue of the monkey being in it.

Speaker 3:
[97:08] Yes. The monkey in there is unbelievable.

Speaker 2:
[97:11] Starr is a guy also who looks so much like Elvis, and in fact, he went on to play Elvis in Zemeckis' next project, Forrest Gump. Whoa.

Speaker 3:
[97:21] What's that guy's name? He looks like the guy from Silk Stockings.

Speaker 2:
[97:25] Peter Dobson.

Speaker 3:
[97:26] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[97:27] Maybe he is. I don't know. Anyways, so look, I mean, this would be a little bit of a deeper cut. It would be a little more obscure than the film franchises that have been in this theater thus far, but if they wanted to try something different and have more vehicles and more action and more monkeys, you could do the Johnny Baggo Stuntacular.

Speaker 3:
[97:47] We gotta do Johnny, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[97:49] If Frank is trying to get all the properties into the parks.

Speaker 3:
[97:52] That's what we gotta bring up when we meet him eventually.

Speaker 1:
[97:55] My Hef Nelson thing is watching that movie that was shot at Buffalo Bill's Casino. Oh.

Speaker 2:
[98:01] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[98:01] In Prim, Nevada, the diehard in a casino where they ride, there's like a chase scene where the one guy's riding a roller coaster, riding the roller coaster with a gun going like, I want my money. And it's clearly going so slowly, pulling into a breaking area.

Speaker 3:
[98:21] There's a dog in Hef Nelson as well. There's a dog that gets a credit.

Speaker 2:
[98:24] Wow. You gotta love that.

Speaker 3:
[98:27] Introducing Tony as Hunk.

Speaker 1:
[98:31] This is not the Hef Nelson where Ryan Gosling is a drug addicted school teacher.

Speaker 3:
[98:35] This is a different Hef Nelson.

Speaker 1:
[98:36] This is a different Hef Nelson.

Speaker 3:
[98:38] A little more fun. Stu Phillips theme song as well. A Knight Rider who I think, a ton of TV like theme song and soundtrack stuff and a man who's 50th or 60th wedding anniversary video I edited in his house about 17 years ago.

Speaker 2:
[98:58] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[98:58] Is that on your IMDB?

Speaker 3:
[99:00] It is not.

Speaker 2:
[99:02] It's just a wedding video nobody's putting. Well, somebody should.

Speaker 3:
[99:04] I brought this up before. I brought this up before because he signed his book to me and he said to one of the fastest editors I've ever worked with or one of the best editors I've ever worked with.

Speaker 2:
[99:12] Wow.

Speaker 3:
[99:13] And he said, do you want a job at the NFL Network being an editor? Because my son works there or my son-in-law works there. And I said, no.

Speaker 2:
[99:20] Do you regret that decision today?

Speaker 3:
[99:21] Well, I don't know. Would I rather done that than this podcast?

Speaker 2:
[99:26] Don't say it.

Speaker 3:
[99:26] Let me think about it.

Speaker 2:
[99:27] Don't say it. You don't even care about football.

Speaker 1:
[99:30] Griffin already broke my heart. You don't need to break my heart again.

Speaker 3:
[99:34] You know what?

Speaker 2:
[99:34] That job, to quote Griffin, would have eaten ass and not in a good way.

Speaker 1:
[99:40] Not in a fun way.

Speaker 3:
[99:41] You mean like a, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[99:42] All right. Well, I think we did it. I think you survived Podcast The Ride.

Speaker 3:
[99:45] Can we go out with the half Nelson theme?

Speaker 2:
[99:47] Sure. We'll pull that up. For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride. Didn't you play it already, though? You're gonna play it again?

Speaker 3:
[99:53] I think we were playing it in Disney World.

Speaker 2:
[99:55] Okay. Oh, you didn't play it on the show.

Speaker 3:
[99:57] I don't think I played it on the show.

Speaker 2:
[99:58] Well, then fine. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[99:59] Do you want me to play the Moby song that's the end of every Bourne movie, going into the credits, and I played it at the top?

Speaker 2:
[100:05] Both of you played your songs at the same time.

Speaker 1:
[100:08] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[100:09] For three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast The Ride, The Second Gator. Get one more bonus episode in our VIP tier, Club 3. You'll find all of that at patreon.com/podcast The Ride. Whoever has the song first gets to play it. All right, Mike wins. Fastest editor alive. Oh, no.

Speaker 3:
[100:24] All right. Now, Jason wins.

Speaker 2:
[100:29] Jason wins. See, he got it hard.

Speaker 3:
[100:31] We'll have to do a full half Nelson episode later.

Speaker 2:
[100:34] Yeah. But I mean, you lost because then you pulled the phone away and did not continue playing it.

Speaker 1:
[100:39] Did I have to keep playing it? We started talking.

Speaker 2:
[100:42] I don't know. Oh, come on.

Speaker 3:
[101:03] Victoria Jackson.

Speaker 4:
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