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Speaker 1:
[00:10] Well, here we go, yes, welcome in to UAP. Stephen Diener back with you here, as always, on the Unidentified Alien Podcast. And what makes this one especially special? It's episode number 200. Thank you so much for coming back here all this time for experiencing this journey to 200 with me. Really excited to get this one out to you today. And it is, in fact, a two-parter. Now, I know I can hear the collective groan when I say that. I know some of you have made it very, very evident to me that you don't... I'll put it this way, I'll put it nicely, that you would rather not have two parts. I get that. I understand. I'm not trying to ignore you and I hear you. It's just sometimes it works a little bit better if I split these up and I figured, well, why not go ahead and do that to start off a new round of 100 here with episode 200, part one with the one and only Anthony Williams. That is something you'll hear me say as we start off the episode. I'm not really going to start off with a whole big preamble here to start before the interview with Anthony Williams, because a lot is said as we're talking. But I'll just say that what you're going to hear in this first part, we really cover, for the first time I was able to do this, and really dig in to now the Missing 10 scientists and military officials who have vanished or been killed. And the one thing they have in common is they've been privy to a lot of different government secrets and programs, and in some cases even connected to the UFO topic. And now we're up to 10 either missing or killed. So I finally got to dig in to that in a more meaningful way with Anthony Williams, because since he is our, you know, military intelligence insider here on the show, he obviously has some insight, well, not really information, but a very unique insight, perspective on how maybe some of the things that we've been missing when it comes to these cases. And that's exactly what you'll hear in the first part of this interview. And also in the first part here, we get in to some of the congressional members, things that they've been saying publicly recently, and how much we should really put our stock in to. Different things to say that, you know, Tim Burchett has been saying recently just as an example, along with Burleson and Luna. And then in part two, well, I'll tell you about that after this first part. So for now, enjoy part one here with myself and Anthony Williams. He's back, so happy to bring him back here. There's only one way to do 200, and you'll hear me say this in a second, and I'll say it now too. There's only one way to do 200, and that was with Anthony Williams. So here is part one with myself and our military intelligence insider, Anthony Williams, right here on UAP. Enjoy. Well, here we are with episode number 200 of UAP. And when I sat back and I thought to myself, how am I going to put together episode number 200? What am I going to do? It's got to be something special to mark this occasion. And there was only one thought that came into my mind, and that was to bring back Anthony Williams, our resident military intelligence insider here on UAP. Anthony, thanks so much for doing this. I'm glad to have you back on to UAP.

Speaker 2:
[03:36] Hey, Stephen. Super glad to be back. Super happy to be number 200. And you've had a lot of great guests on. I've really enjoyed listening to the show, so still honored to be considered one of them.

Speaker 1:
[03:49] Absolutely. And I'll say this, too, before we get into a lot of the questions, because it actually has been a while since I was able to have you on here, and there's a lot that's happened since we last spoke. But just to kind of, I guess, wax poetic for a second, this 200th episode doesn't happen without you. And I want to give you credit, which is also why I wanted to bring you on here. And I want to say this publicly on the show, all the different guests that I've been able to have on over the past, you know, four or five years, whether it's, you know, Lua Lozando or Jeff Nusitelli or anybody. You know, recently, you know, just some of the people that I've been having on, I've been so fortunate to have on, and more than I have planned in the future, Eric Burleson, of course. None of that, I believe, happens without you, because we developed this relationship here where we got to get together and just compare notes and because of that, you really helped to highlight this show. Because the fact of the matter is that you don't appear on any other show, Anthony, of all the other shows, and there have been a lot to come up ever since I started UAP, and even more that were out there that became more popular as time has gone on. But you don't appear on any other show, any other podcast, any other broadcast other than UAP. So I want to say thank you for helping me get to this point in UAP, and that's why there was only one way to do 200, and that was with you. So thank you.

Speaker 2:
[05:21] Well, you're welcome, and I really appreciate it. And when you and I first started talking years ago, it was really stepping out on faith and stepping out on a limb on my part a little bit. And I just appreciate the approach that we took. And quite honestly, you know, this is not something I have full-time energy, and I'm not looking to get on the circuit with all the other podcasts. So when I found someone that had the interest that was similar to mine, the character and integrity that you exude through your show and just through your stories, it really called me that it was a safe way to reach out. So I appreciate you for being that as well. And no, you're not going to see me on other podcasts or doing any of that. That's definitely not looking to do the circuit.

Speaker 1:
[06:17] Right. No, and I appreciate that. Thanks very much. So I guess enough of the mushy stuff. We'll get to the good stuff here. But thank you. I just kind of want to jump right into this here, Anthony, because there's, like I said, a lot that's been going on since we last had you on the show. But more recently, I mean, it's like I'm not even sure where to start. I want to start with The Missing 10. And we'll get into the videos. We'll get into the 46 videos that have been floating around there. This big story that's out there with Luna and Burleson and Burchette where they're trying to obtain these videos from the Department of War that show UFOs. We're going to get into that because I know you have knowledge of those. And even some more things that have never been reported that we're going to talk about here on the show today. But this is something that I haven't really been able to dig deep into. And really ever since I started to pay attention to this story, the number was at like three or four of different scientists or generals or nuclear physicists who are connected to top secret programs who are at different installations or bases. Some having to do notoriously with the UFO topic or the history of UFO lore like Wright Anderson Air Force Base with General McCasland. And that number of three or four since I started paying attention to this has ballooned to ten within like the past six weeks. So you have all these people who have either been killed, just straight up murdered or are missing, connected to the UFO topic in some way with the work that they did within the government. So what in your estimation, Anthony, is happening? Why are these people disappearing or being killed? And is it something that is just a coincidence, like nothing to see here? Are we making too much out of this or is this what it looks like to be a real problem?

Speaker 2:
[08:15] Yeah, I'll tell you that in my opinion, I don't think there's any coincidences here with this topic. And if I relate it to something that's a little bit more relatable or to give a couple of other analogies of why this is alarming, if this were the military, and we have about two million men and women serving, 10 is a fraction of a percent, right? But if it were 10, that all revolved around one specific topic, say, M1 Abrams tanks. First of all, if it was the whole military and we're missing 10 people, or a certain percentage of those 10 were killed, there'd be an investigation into every single one of these incidences, and we would spare no expense to resolve what happened with every single one of them. So one, the fact that this is being mentioned, and there's little public address to what's being done, is quite alarming, quite disturbing. But then to have them specifically all around one subject, that's not a coincidence, and the timing lines up almost directly with when President Trump put out on social media that he wanted everything on extraterrestrials, UAP, UFOs, released. And so, you know, to anyone that's looking at it with a level-head mind, you know, or clear, you know, clear just line of sight, it sure looks like these were probably people that were sympathetic to disclosure that were viewed as a liability to anyone that does not want this stuff to be disclosed. So much so that we saw even over the last couple of days that that directive still hasn't even been honored. There hasn't been any release of any of those things. And let's take it a step further. Let's look at, you know, the Walmarts of America. You know, most major cities have three to five, six or seven Walmarts in that town. If Wal-Mart within the Garden Department across the country at their biggest stores was missing ten people all from the Garden Department, we would want to know what's going on in the Garden Department. And to say that it's just by chance, you know, or that it's a coincidence, that the timing with the direction for disclosure, the direction, you know, for releasing this information, these files, and then to have all these key people that were at key locations with quite exquisite access and placement and very impressive backgrounds on the subject, to say that that is just coincidence, I think is really burying our head in the sand. I think it's, there's no way this is a coincidence. And we should really be jumping up and down, demanding answers on all of these cases, each one of them individually.

Speaker 1:
[11:28] You know, and it's a really good point you bring up. It's a great analogy with like the gardens, you know, specialists at a Walmart. If it would be like a national story of 10, you're right, if 10 garden employees went missing at a particular Walmart or Walmart surrounds, you know, surrounding area, it would be kind of weird. People would catch on to that and say, what do these people know that they don't want people to figure out? And that's what we're looking at here. So even more so, I'm not saying that that is not being paid attention to in the national media because it is, this is being brought up on different major media outlets. But it doesn't, the public investigations on these aren't very noisy. And what I mean by that is when General McCasland went missing, he seems to be like the most well-known one as far as when people were hearing about this or if it was on the news because it involved this general and he worked at Wright-Patterson and his wife was calling 911, so we had a 911 call. And it was a very strange set of circumstances. But ever since then, you don't really hear a lot about public investigations. For example, when, and God bless her and her family, it's still very sad, when Nancy Guthrie went missing, all anybody talked about was Savannah Guthrie and her mom is missing, where is she? Are they going to find her? And the investigation was extremely public. In this case, you have 10 high-level government officials, generals, and so on and so forth, who are just gone and you don't hear about any manhunts. So what would cause something like that? Why aren't we hearing more about these people being searched for?

Speaker 2:
[13:16] Yeah, well, and there's a couple of things that are even more alarming. So each one of these individuals carried the highest level of security clearance that we have in the government. And for the ones within the military, but all of them carrying a security clearance, you're bound by the rules of that security clearance for the rest of your life up to and until the time that those things are declassified. For secret information, the soonest that that information is even eligible to be considered for declassification is 25 years. And the soonest that top secret information is even considered for downgrade in security classification is 50 years. So these are things that, these are topics that these individuals worked that in their lifetime will most likely never be declassified. So with that, and specifically for the military ones, the general and in particular, when you retire from the military, you don't become a civilian. You move from the active roles to the retiree roles. You maintain your rank, you maintain privileges, pay all these different things, not your active duty pay, but your retiree pay. And so all the things that, you sacrifice a certain amount of civil liberties when you choose to serve in the military, and you get some of those back in retirement, but some you do not. So the fact that he was read to these programs, the fact that he worked in the areas he did, for instance, him traveling on vacation to China or Iran or Cuba or Russia, those are never, even in retirement, those are never an option for an individual like that because of the level of information he has. Him being captured by an adversary is potentially a critical risk to the United States. So the fact that he's missing the fact that these people with the level of information they have and the access to the things that they worked, every one of them potentially poses a critical risk to the United States, the fact that they are missing. Now, the ones that have been murdered that we know are dead, obviously, dead men tell no tales. But for the ones that are missing in particular, it is a grave concern and I'm not insinuating that nothing is being done, it sure isn't reassuring anyone in the American public as to what level is being done. You mentioned Nancy Guthrie in that case, and while we weren't read on to the level of things that were being done, we were briefed regularly that several agencies are involved, they're exhausting every effort, there were some reassurance that things were being done. Again, heartbreaking anytime anyone goes missing or anyone is murdered, but Nancy Guthrie poses no critical threat with anything she knows to the United States with her disappearance. So while we want to see her returned and alive and healthy and restore that family, it is of critical importance that we find these individuals that carry some of our nation's highest level of secrets that we want to protect and safeguard, because not only are they not safe or they are not, you know, known to be in an okay situation, but the secrets they carry are not safeguarded. There's a potential loss of critical information to our nation right now. It's a big deal.

Speaker 1:
[17:16] Wow, that's startling. Really, it actually is. And I never heard, actually, that you guys were being told, hey, look, you know, we have a lot of resources going towards the Nancy Guthrie case. It's really interesting, because that makes me think, are you being told the same thing now with these missing cases? Are you guys being told that there's investigations happening?

Speaker 2:
[17:39] No, and that wasn't anything I was told on the military side. I'm just talking about observing, you know, legacy media or national news.

Speaker 1:
[17:47] Gotcha.

Speaker 2:
[17:49] You know, about every three to five days, there would be an update from the sheriff or from someone, or someone was questioned on it, and they would explain that the FBI is getting involved and working with the local sheriff, and, you know, there were updates. We're not seeing any of that with this. And this, while the Nancy Guthrie story pulls on the heartstrings of every American, this threatens the security of every American. This is even more impactful, not just on our heart as humans living in this country, pulling on, you know, our humanity. This, not only is it a concern that we're missing a US citizen, but we're also missing someone with critical information that he was trusted to safeguard for the rest of his life.

Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
[20:32] Yeah, so there's a couple different things. One, if these missing people are truly kidnapped or captured, then it goes down the rabbit hole of what did they work on, how much of that was known, and who benefits by gaining that knowledge, right? But I think if we look at Occam's Razor, and the simplest causation or simplest solution is the answer, most likely, then really what it points to, to me is that these people, while they worked on these things, they were very sympathetic to disclosing perhaps what they've worked on. They didn't feel should be classified or kept from the American people. And it was the opinion of those that wanted to maintain that secrecy that have them missing or have them killed or have them silenced. To me, that is the most likely scenario. I think it's less likely that these people were kidnapped, taken away, and are being extorted, co-opted, or tortured into divulging what they know. I think it's more likely that with the president's, you know, directive, not executive order, not signed, but his verbal directive, his verbal order to release these things, that these are people that may be a liability or sympathetic to disclosing what they knew about it. And there is an effort to silence that. And we see this every step of the way with this topic specifically, and not just this topic, but, you know, every time, you know, something formal comes out from Aero or our government on this, there is roadblocks, whistleblowers being threatened, all sorts of intimidation that people are reporting. And then we see the formal report from NASA or Aero, and there's nothing to see here. They've concluded nothing, this is all smoke and mirrors. Well, if it's all smoke and mirrors, then why are people threatening these individuals? Why are the people that are doing the threatening linked to these programs in other ways? Why is there the double edged sword on the two sides of the coin? Nothing to see here. Flip it over a lot, we're not going to tell you. So I think most likely these 10 may have been deemed, and whether they were sympathetic to disclosure or not, the impression may have been that they may be susceptible or sympathetic to disclosure. They have firsthand knowledge of some of these things, and so they were a liability.

Speaker 1:
[23:26] Wow. And actually, man, it's a scary thought, but I mean, that leads me to my next question, which is who would take them? Right? So, and you kind of address it there, which it sounds like you're intimating that this was not, in your opinion, not a foreign adversary type thing where they're taking them for secrets, they're trying to take them and torture them and tell me everything you know, type of stuff, or killing them, in the case of, like, Professor Grimloir from Caltech, right there on his front porch. But in this case, it kind of sounds like, and correct me if I'm wrong, it sounds like you're intimating that your theory on this, based off of just your experience in intelligence, is that they would be taken, if they were taken for nefarious reasons, that the reason would be to keep them silent and that we, the United States government, are the ones silencing them. Am I getting this right?

Speaker 2:
[24:26] Yeah, my personal belief, just based on what I know, within foreign adversaries, the more common thing to see is if there is someone that is identified to be a key player in a capability or an effort that may be countered to what a nation wants. For instance, if we identified that, let's go back to World War II, let's not use any current examples, but if we go back to World War II and we identify that there is a certain German scientist that seems to be the lead effort or the key contributor like Oppenheimer to helping the Germans create a nuclear weapon, then that would be a target, not so much for us to capture and exploit what he knows, but the quicker, more effective method would be to eliminate that individual so that we can halt or slow or delay progress that our adversary may take in that way. To actually kidnap, capture, detain and exploit, that is also a key tactic. If you go back to 9-11, some of the first terrorists that we went after were people that we wanted to glean information from to understand how that terrorist network operated, how they functioned, how they worked to get into their operation cycles so we could help dismantle it and restore safety to our nation and to any western country that was targeted by those organizations. So eliminating the threat, capturing someone to exploit what they know. In this example, and I hate to tie it to popular culture, but if you think about the train station at Yellowstone, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not holding a lot of hope that these missing people are going to turn up safe and sound and just on a walkabout out in the woods, reconnecting with nature. I don't hold a lot of hope. I think they're missing until we find them. And when we do, I don't think it's going to be favorable.

Speaker 1:
[26:41] Actually, and it is, it's so weird, actually, because there is something to point to that when it comes to how they disappeared. A couple of them almost seem like, and I could be way off base here, but a couple of them almost seem like they were leaving. And two that come to mind are General McCaslin. He leaves behind his belongings, his phone, his watch, he just goes. And normally, a guy like that wouldn't do that as he's going out for a hike or something along those lines that like you would normally do. He would be very well prepared. And then the most recent one, the name escapes me, but the most recent man who went missing, number 10, same type of thing, left behind all this stuff. He was seen on like a ring doorbell camera, just walking out without anything. And he's just gone. Is there any room for speculation here, Anthony, that maybe some of these people, maybe not all, but some, might have just left intentionally? Maybe to protect? Maybe they were scared. Maybe they're being threatened, and they're trying to protect themselves and their families, so they just, they're just going to go off the grid? I mean, is there any possibility to that?

Speaker 2:
[27:54] You know, it's always a possibility, but there would be a lot of other things that would be easily identifiable in their background. So, for instance, law enforcement would run their, all of their credit cards and bank statements, and we would see things like, you know, if you remember the Gabby Petito case from, you know, from years ago, there were, that's how they tracked their movement from purchasing things in the card. You know, you'd see things, if someone was going to go off grid, there's, living off grid's not easy. As someone in, you know, with time in the army, I'll tell you that, you know, living in nature, while camping for the weekend's fun to do that long term, that's a big commitment. There needs to be a lot of prep work involved. Think about the amount of prep work that a family will do just to go camping for the weekend with the kids. There's a lot of work involved. So we don't hear about that or see that in any of these statements. That would be a real indicator that would probably be released, like, hey, he purchased tents and camping equipment and all this other stuff. And what's more likely, someone with a security clearance like they had, is that, in my opinion, is that they were asked to meet with someone and they didn't want to bring any electronic devices with them or anything with them. And then it turned out not to be what they thought it was. So that is a more likely scenario of why someone like the general would leave their phone behind because they don't want that electronic device near or associated with whoever else's electronic device they're meeting with. And that meeting could have been asked for a number of reasons from a number of people that would trigger that behavior. And that, you know, we do that for operational security. And we do that to safeguard ourselves, safeguard the people we're meeting with, our families, all the things you named. But do I believe that there's a likelihood that they voluntarily disappeared with no notice to their spouses, to anyone? Highly unlikely. Even if the General was going to go off grid to safeguard his family, I don't know too many people that wouldn't at least share that data with their wife and say, hey, I'm being threatened, things aren't good. I want you and the kids to go on vacation. I am going to disappear. I will reach out when I can. But I want you to know that and at least have that conversation. There's no inclination that any of that happened. What is more likely in my mind is that they were asked to have a meeting with someone. They intentionally left their electronic devices behind to not have those associated with the meeting and it was not what they thought it was.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] Wow. It's a really, really intriguing point to consider. Last question on this, Anthony, just an alternative theory. This is a theory that's kind of, because again, I always say, when we don't have answers, we start to come up with our own. And one of the things that has come up recently online is the speculation that maybe to go along with what you're saying, right? You go to a meeting, but instead of being taken to be silenced, you're actually being taken to put into a secret program, like some type of, you know, Los Alamos type of Trinity Test program, you know, a la Oppenheimer, something like that, where these top scientists, these top generals, you know, the most bright minds who worked in all these programs are being taken to work on this underground project, having to do with some type of, you know, secret tech. That's a theory that's been throwing around recently. Does that make any sense or hold any water to you?

Speaker 2:
[31:39] No, that's not how we recruit into classified programs. There are several programs that we have that when someone is being recruited or sought after for a program, that they might not be briefed. Well, they won't be briefed to the full scope of what it is they're actually being recruited to. And there will be a lifestyle look at lifestyle. And, you know, there'll be safeguarding measures put into place. This is how you will overtly explain to people in society and life as to what you do. These are the things you're going to protect. This is what you're going to say instead of these things. And this is what your cover story is going to look like. You know, and so all those things exist and have existed for a long time in compartmented work and classified programs like that. Kidnapping someone, no notice, that's not something we do.

Speaker 1:
[32:45] So we're not talking, or is it just that we're watching too many Marvel movies? Like it just doesn't work that way? That's not something that we do.

Speaker 2:
[32:53] Right, right, right. It makes a good story, but that's not real.

Speaker 1:
[32:58] Fair enough. So the mystery continues, but I do feel like we were able to at least shine some light on some of these theories out there and make this make more sense. But unfortunately, just in my estimation, some of the things that make sense are pretty startling. So we'll continue to keep an eye on this story. I'm sure there's gonna be more developments and hopefully, good developments because we haven't seen many good developments, that's for sure. What about some of the things that are happening though, behind the scenes, Anthony, when it comes to just the conversations surrounding government sectors? Ever since we spoke, there was a lot that took place within the Trump administration, namely what you spoke about earlier, where he came out and said, I want these things released. What has the mood been like within intelligence sectors, government sectors, people that you talked to, when it comes to some of the stuff maybe actually coming out? I mean, is it all fluff? Is it all talk? Or is there a real push that you're seeing, and even a push back that you're seeing, to try to have it come out or to stay under wraps?

Speaker 2:
[34:13] Yeah, I will tell you that within, you know, within our workspace, this is definitely a subject that moved from obscurity to regular water cooler conversation. It is not a taboo topic to discuss anymore. There are formal briefings for how military members are to report these incidences and these sightings. There's even several hour long briefs from our different intelligence agencies on how to analyze and interpret data from these videos, from these captured things, what to look for. Similar to how we train imagery analysts back in the 50s to look at photos taken of Cuba and identify that that smudge there is actually a missile launcher. So there's that level of work going involved. So it's a topic that has moved from obscurity and laughability to regular water cooler conversation for people. And it's gone even further to the point where now there's actual training taking place on how to report, not just how to report, but how to analyze these reported incidents.

Speaker 1:
[35:32] Really? So that's really, really intriguing because you hear so much, especially from, I guess, maybe I could say defunct arrow, even though they're not officially gone yet. It feels like they're defunct sometimes. But you have a report that comes out from them that says, yeah, not really much going on. We don't really have much to report. A lot of things you've been hearing about, there's really nothing there. But why would they say that? And why are we being told that if there's actual directives and training happening behind the scenes with analysts to say this is what to look for or with pilots or whoever it might be to say this is how you report something? If there's nothing going on, then why are they being trained on it? Hey guys, so before we get back into the conversation, I just want to talk about something that affects all of us. And it's scary, starting something new, right? It's hard and it is kind of terrifying because you think about all the work that goes into it, are you gonna be able to succeed? What new challenges am I going to face? It's that uncertainty. But I know how that is, because I can think back when I started UAP, I was just hoping for the best. And it's just like that when you're starting your own business. That's why Shopify is so great and why I'm so happy to be able to talk about them. Because despite all the fears and hesitations when starting something new, it certainly helps to have a partner like Shopify on your side to help. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the US from household names like Death Wish Coffee, Brooklinen and Kylie. But what if people haven't heard about your brand? Well, Shopify helps you find your customers with easy to run email and social media campaigns. But what if you hit that wall and you get stuck somewhere? Well, no problem because Shopify is always around to share advice with their award winning 24-7 customer support. Tackle all those important tasks in one place, from inventory to payments to analytics and more. No need to save multiple websites or try to figure out what platform is hosting the tool that you need. Everything is all in one place with Shopify, making your life easier and your business operations so much smoother. So it's time to turn those what ifs into a podcast show with Shopify today. Sign up for your $1 per month trial today at shopify.com/uap. Go to shopify.com/uap. That's shopify.com/uap.

Speaker 2:
[38:01] Oh, no, I completely agree. And that is that gets to the that gets to the heart of the issue that everyone would like to know. And the reality is, you know, especially when we're talking about, you know, our congressmen and women that are seeking disclosure on this issue, you know, there's not even transparency to them as to why these things are being safeguarded and kept at the highest level of secrecy. You know, and it wouldn't be that hard of a sell to explain to them, hey, there's a program, this is what it's doing. We can't get into the details, but this is why we're not going to disclose. That's not even being shared with them. So, it really creates a dichotomy that doesn't resolve in anyone's mind when they see these videos coming out, these reports coming out that don't add up. We don't know what's in that video, we don't know what that tic-tac is, we don't know what that gimbal is. We think the speed is anomalous, the instant acceleration, the 90-degree turns. None of this has a prosaic answer in any way. Also, nothing to see here. That doesn't resolve in anyone's mind. And so it creates that assumption that we're being either lied to or things are being kept from us, and it's deliberate. And if you go a step further, and if you look at the report that the UAP Task Force put out prior to Aero, it was very transparent about the number of these incidents that remain anomalous and unresolved. And even if you go back to Project Blue Book, there are, there's a mountain of incidences that were anomalous and unresolved. And so, you know, for Aero to see this, for the government to acknowledge this, and then Aero to say, we see no evidence, words really matter. And I know you and I have discussed it before, but they're not lying when they say they see no evidence. But they're not being honest with the fact that they're saying, we also don't know what this is. And they're not giving the we think. So when we go through a deliberate military decision making process, and we look at the best advice, the assumptions that we're going to make, and the best military advice for commanders to make a decision, one thing that is asked of the experts that are advising is, what do you think? And Aero has been allowed to get away with not giving the, well, what do you think? You say that this case is not resolved, what do you think it is? What do you speculate this could be? That's not being discussed at all. They're very happy to showcase all of the videos and all of the evidence where they can give a prosaic answer as to what it really was. This was a mylar balloon. This was birds. This was that. They're happy to do that, but they're unwilling to opine on the cases that remain anomalous and unresolved.

Speaker 1:
[41:12] Well, on that note, I want to move to some of the, I guess things happening within the big three in Congress, if you will, with Birchett and Luna and Burleson. You know, they're the ones who are most out front on this, I think, by far. There are some others, too, like Jared Moskowitz is out on this as well, and a few others. But they're the ones, you know, making a lot of statements, they're doing the work on this, investigations. And I wonder what you think when you hear some of the things that they've been saying recently, like with Birchett. He's been on a lot of different shows, national shows recently, like Will Kane on Fox News. He's been on different shows on News Nation. He's been on different shows, I believe, with even CNN and maybe NBC, if I remember correctly. I can't remember off the top of my head, but he's been doing a lot of national media push on this topic. He was on with Stephen A. Smith, actually, the sports slash sometimes political commentator, and they were talking about this. And one of the things that he has said is that I've seen it, it's real. Luna has come out and said that you're going to see some weird bleeping stuff to make it PG here for the show. Burleson has spoken about this many times, even here on the show, saying that we've been in skiffs, and we've been told things and shown things that have really shocked me and maybe even kept me up at night sometimes. He said that recently in an interview, I think, on a local radio show in his district in Missouri. So you hear them say these things. What is your reaction when you hear them say it? And can you confirm it?

Speaker 2:
[43:05] Yeah, first of all, I'll say I'm so proud of everyone in Congress that will not let this topic go.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2:
[43:13] Because with everything going on in the world and everything going on within our government and our political system, it is very easy for them to run up against a wall and move on to an area where they can be more effective. So the fact that they're not letting this go is something that we should all applaud because they're not letting this topic go. Yeah, absolutely. And second of all, to the point you raised about what they've seen and what they've said, I absolutely believe that they have seen a lot of the things that I have seen and they want answers. And because they've been shown things, because they've been told things, with people that have access and placement to know and have these things, I'm even more emboldened by the fact that this is not just worthy for them to pursue, but they understand that there is really something there that needs to be shared in their opinion. So, I'm very excited about that. I will say, the list of files and videos that Rep Luna put out, I have seen every single one of them and there are hundreds more that exist. And I hope they are successful with that. I hope that they can get all of those released. I'm not overly hopeful that that will illuminate any truth that we know, but quantity has a quality all of its own. And I think the more of these videos that get out, the more demand signal that there will be for some sort of answer. If you remember back to 2017, when the GoFast, the Gimbal, and the TikTok videos were released, they dumbfounded everyone. The Department of Defense then, Department of War now, acknowledged that those videos are real, acknowledged that they do not know what those objects are in the videos, and then they just moved on with their life. So there could be the release of all those videos in that list, and there still may be no further explanation, but again, quantity has a quality all of its own. And I believe, when those videos come out and more and more is seen, that the demand signal would just increase and get louder over time. And that may actually drive action.

Speaker 1:
[45:45] Really interesting, right? So just kind of like an onslaught, maybe just that onslaught of information will help to kind of push the ball forward.

Speaker 2:
[45:54] Sure. Yeah. And if you look at, if you look at the five W's, the who, what, where, why and when, of President Trump's, you know, true social post about releasing these things, you know, what was the why? Do you remember what he wrote in there? What he said why he wanted this released?

Speaker 1:
[46:13] I think I remember something along the lines of a lot of people are interested in this, right?

Speaker 2:
[46:19] Yes. Yes. The demand signal. There was a high demand signal. This is of interest to a lot of people. Well, I think the more of these videos that get out, the more of these things that are made public, that demand signal will grow. And the louder it grows and the more it grows, you know, that is what I hate to say it, but in our government, sometimes it's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. So I believe that for sure, one thing that is a positive is the more of these videos that can get out, the louder the demand signal will be for some sort of disclosure as to what these things are or what we know about them.

Speaker 1:
[47:02] I want to bring up more about those videos because you said that you've seen all of them, so I'll ask what can you talk about with them, but maybe even some new things that are out there. Just to think that that's the tip of the iceberg is really quite fascinating to say the least. Before I get there though, I do want to ask you this question, Anthony. Just going back to some of the recent interviews with the big three-hour I was mentioning, with Burchette, he had one within the past couple of days, I mentioned Will Kane on Fox News, and Will Kane straight up asked him, are aliens real? Can you tell me, can you confirm to me from what you've seen and what you've been told, according to your knowledge, are aliens real? And Burchette straight up said, yes, they're real. The craft are real and they are real. And they probably have been here for a long time. I'm kind of summarizing there, he said, yes, they are real. So you hear that. What is your reaction and do you agree with him?

Speaker 2:
[47:56] Yeah, I would say that logically, if you look at statistics, one of all of our favorite math courses that many of us had to take, if you look at the statistical probability that aliens don't exist, that is harder to believe than the statistical probability that they do exist. So I have not personally seen any videos of any humanoid creatures or anything that would incline me to believe that I have seen on any system that I could point to and say, yes, that's an alien. Now, there are claims of videos that exist. There are videos that other people have put out of alien interviews. I don't know the validity of those. I've not seen those through any government system. But I believe that there are people within our government that would know the answer to that emphatically. I do not. It's not my area of specialty. But I believe that when Burjet says that, I don't think he's guessing. I think he has probably talked to someone firsthand that has either shared with him evidence or explained where the evidence is and why this person knows it. And they have reassured him to a level. You got to remember, Burjet and Burleson, for sure those two and perhaps even Luna. But Burjet and Burleson, I can say for sure, not their political leaning, but they're conservative in what they're going to say and they're careful about making absolutes. So for Burjet to say, yes, they are real, to me, the implication is that he has seen firsthand with his own eyes, evidence that concludes that is true. So I would absolutely take that to the bank.

Speaker 1:
[49:59] Well, you heard it there, take it to the bank, as Anthony says. What a statement. But that's where we end part one for now. Obviously, some really compelling stuff there, and, well, I guess, unsettling. I always hate to use the word scary. You know, I always feel like that kind of just paints such an intentionally negative picture sometimes. People use the word scary on purpose. It's not thoughtful sometimes when people use the word scary. They do that as a shock tactic in their shows. And I don't like to do that. So there are some times, though, when I feel like that word is warranted, and this was kind of one of those. I mean, the word scary really does apply, in some cases, to what we were talking about there. Like, what happened to these people? Where are they? We know that, you know, unfortunately, some of them are no longer with us. And I do have the list here, because I didn't go through the list while we were talking, but I should do that now, in case you aren't up to date on exactly who we were talking about on these 10 dead or missing, you know, government officials, scientists, military officials. The first one goes back, just to kind of paint a bigger picture on this, to July 30th, 2023. Michael David Hicks was found dead. Anthony Chavez, May 8th of this year, missing. Melissa Casayas, June 26th of 2025, missing. And I should say Anthony Chavez missing in 2025, not this year. Jason Thomas found dead December 12th, 2025. Carl Grillmare, you heard me mention him while I was talking with Anthony. He was one who was shot dead on his front porch. That's the Caltech astrophysicist there. The stuff that he was studying about, you know, exoplanets and everything like that was really, well, quite the connection. Like you heard us saying, there's some scary stuff. These connections are undeniable. He was found dead on February 16th of this year. Frank Mywald, July 4th of 2024, found dead, missing. Monica Reza, June 22nd, 2025. She was actually a colleague of General William Neal McCasland, who went missing this year. He's been one of the biggest names in all this that really brought, I think, a lot of the national attention recently. He went missing on February 27th of this year, 2026. And even more, two more, in 2025, Stephen Garcia, August 28th, I believe he was a nuclear physicist, if I remember right, off the top of my head. August 28th, 2025, missing. And Nuno Llorio, December 16th, 2025, found dead. That's the list. Not making this up, and the fact of the matter is, I thought it was a great analogy that Anthony put forward, which was if 10 employees of Walmart in the garden section go missing, people are going to kind of scratch their heads and say, hey, why are all these people who have gone missing from Walmart all working the garden section? That's kind of weird. But when we talk about it this way, you have UFO debunkers out there who want to come out and say, oh, well, there's nothing to see here. There's no connection. And I see that on social media, in fact, some of them have reached out to me and said, oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, I do actually. And that's not to prop myself up above anybody else. This is just a simple observation. It's really not that difficult to make for UFO debunkers out there. If you're listening, Cough Cough McWest, who I got into just another wonderful discussion with on Twitter lately, always very entertaining when he and I cross paths on Twitter. Unbelievable, that guy. And he's trying to make the point that, oh, no, there's nothing to see here. This is not really that unusual. It's extremely unusual, which is why it's being covered the way it is in the national news. Yes, it gets clicks. I'm not going to deny that, which is one reason why they cover it the way that they do. But the real fact of the matter is here, the thing that makes this actually scary is what you heard Anthony saying there, which is the information that these people were privy to, that they have or had. What is happening that is causing them to get eliminated? Or to disappear? It's a very unsettling situation, and hopefully it's one that we get some answers to. But I am at least, I guess, a little satisfied that I was able to have that discussion with Anthony, to shine more light on this, and to for the first time really kind of dig into that in a meaningful way here on the show. I've kind of just mentioned it in passing a couple of times. So I'm glad that we got to kind of dig into it more to shine a bigger light on that situation here on UAP at least. And there's going to be more coming out from those 10. And hopefully we're not talking about 11 or 12 or even more in the near future. We don't want to see any more of these people go missing, having, you know, with all these connections to government secrets and the program and all these different things. Not, not good at all. And you heard us, you know, kind of give the conjectures of what might be happening to them, who might be taking them. Some say it's foreign adversaries. Some say that it's not, you know, maybe it's our own government. We just we the fact is we don't really know. But it was very valuable, I think, to get the insight there of Anthony Williams on what might be going on here and what would cause these people to either be eliminated or to disappear. And then at the end, of course, you heard us talking about, as I referred to them, the big three, Burchette, Luna and Burleson, about what they've been saying publicly lately and how he took that and how much stock we should put into it, which you heard is quite a bit in Anthony's opinion. So a lot there in the first part to consider and to kind of contemplate on. And we're going to do again in part two in just a few days as we now go past number 200 and go into episode 201 coming up here on UAP, because we are going to get into, you probably heard me mention it at the start of that episode there, the 46 videos. You keep hearing about the 46 videos. Luna's been talking about it, Burchette, Burleson, they've all been talking about it. It's been reported in different news publications. That's the Secretary of War, Pete Hegsteth, and the Pentagon were supposed to hand over these 46 UFO videos to Congress. So that way they could show them to the world, and they were supposed to do that by April 14th. Obviously, we are past April 14th, and those videos have not come out. So the question is why, what's on these videos, what can we expect next, and we get all those questions answered in part two with Anthony Williams, as we actually physically go over the list and go over some of the more highlighted videos on there that stand out to us. And Anthony explains exactly what we would be looking at on those videos. He's seen all of them. So you're going to hear some stuff that you haven't heard before about these videos in part two, and I cannot wait for you to hear that because, quite frankly, he's the authority on it, and he's seen them. He's very studied in those videos, and even others, by the way, that he mentions in part two that are not on that list of 46, including some never before heard of or seen new jellyfish UAP videos. Yes, the jellyfish are back flying over Iraq last year. And Anthony goes into that. I had never heard of these until Anthony brought it up in part two. And that's something else you can look forward to. Exclusive information, as always, from Anthony Williams right here on UAP. So looking forward to hearing that. So make sure you stay tuned, continue to download and subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts and all the major platforms. Check it out on YouTube and on the social media at UAPodcast850 and just search UAP podcast on YouTube. It should come right up there with a bunch of different videos that I've been putting up lately. But with all that said, I just want to say another personal thank you to you. I said thank you to Anthony at the start. I want to say thank you to you for helping me get here. Just like with Anthony Williams, I mentioned that without him, I wouldn't be at 200. That's a simple fact. And I wouldn't be here at 200 without you. And that's another simple fact. The fact that you keep coming back, that you, some of you, I get messages recently who say, I just started, I just found your show after all these years and now I'm binging all the episodes and I'm at episode number 132 and I can't wait to listen to the rest. Like that's amazing. And I can't even tell you how much that means to me. I can never put it into words truly how much it means to me when I hear those things from you. So just to thank you to you, I can never fully express my gratitude, but I try my best here right now and in previous episodes just to say thank you for continuing to come back here to support the show, to support what I do, and continuing to try to get answers to these questions to investigate, to analyze, and to present these stories, original content, and interviews to you here on UAP. I'm always trying to do my best for you and for this topic to push the ball forward. That's the goal, and hopefully, we can continue to do that here as we go past 200 now, and hopefully, you continue to come back for this journey as we move forward here on the show and within the UFO community. So thank you so much. Truly, truly appreciate it more than you could ever know. Can't wait to do it all again. Make sure you come back and tune in for episode 201, part two with Anthony Williams and beyond. A lot more coming up here on UAP that you can look forward to. I guarantee you that. So with all that said, I'll just say thank you once again for everything and for all the support, because it truly does mean the world to me. Couldn't be here without you. So until next time, it's Stephen Diener here saying be well. Thanks so much. Talk again soon right here on UAP, the Unidentified Alien Podcast.