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Speaker 1:
[00:00] My guest today is Beauty Personified, a legendary actress with a film catalog that touches every facet of black love, friendship, family and sisterhood. She stole our hearts as Nina and Love Jones, defined an era in The Best Man, and now she's stepping into the matriarchal role of Catherine Jackson in Michael. For decades, she has carried a softness and a strength, a quiet power that always filled the room. She's built a life while raising two sons, and remains a symbol of grace and presence in every chapter. Yes, the Nia Long. Today, we're getting into the woman behind the glow, because Baby, this is Keke Palmer. Okay, guys, please welcome the one, the only, Nia Long.

Speaker 2:
[01:19] My girl, my girl!

Speaker 3:
[01:22] Keke, do you love me?

Speaker 1:
[01:24] All day.

Speaker 2:
[01:25] All day.

Speaker 4:
[01:28] Aw, hi babe.

Speaker 1:
[01:30] So good to have you on the podcast.

Speaker 2:
[01:31] Oh, I'm so happy to be here.

Speaker 1:
[01:33] You look so stunning. I say this every time I see you. She's sick of it.

Speaker 2:
[01:38] You're so sweet to everybody.

Speaker 1:
[01:39] So let's get into these little pre-show pull up questions. So your zodiac sign, I've always known, is a Scorpio. But I'm gagged to see that your sun and moon are both a Scorpio, and then you're rising as a Virgo.

Speaker 4:
[01:53] So good. It's so good because I like to clean.

Speaker 2:
[01:56] It explains why I'm organized.

Speaker 4:
[01:58] I'm a hyper achiever.

Speaker 1:
[02:02] Now what parts of you feel very Scorpio? If any, do you relate to the signs at all?

Speaker 4:
[02:06] I do. I believe in astrology. I think probably I'm a deep thinker. I prefer to be solo than run in a pack.

Speaker 1:
[02:15] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[02:18] If I f*** with you, I f*** with you. If I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1:
[02:22] I'm so glad you f*** with me. I don't want to be on the other end. Let me tell you.

Speaker 4:
[02:30] I could have used nicer words, but we're just having an honest conversation. No, I mean, listen, I believe that everyone deserves a 10 in the beginning.

Speaker 1:
[02:43] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[02:43] I want to believe that we are good humans. I want to believe that we do the right thing. I want to believe that we love and respect one another, but it doesn't always work out that way. And I think after being in this industry for so long, you kind of just have to pause and go, okay, I don't need to be friends with every single person. And every single person doesn't have to like me. And then you choose your tribe, right? That's a real thing, and I think it's healthy.

Speaker 1:
[03:08] Yeah, and I think I've learned too, a lot of times we feel like our industry, like because it's our industry, we have to connect to everybody. But it's like, it doesn't work that way. Yeah, your crew might be a bunch of people that are into art museums, or it might be into finance.

Speaker 4:
[03:21] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[03:21] It doesn't mean just because we all do the same thing, we gonna get along. I had to learn that the hard way.

Speaker 4:
[03:26] Yes, and I think you keep your old friends from back in the day, and they keep things centered and focused and real, and then you meet new friends along the way. The thing is, is to be inspired.

Speaker 1:
[03:35] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[03:36] Who inspires you to be the best version of yourself? Who's supporting that growth?

Speaker 1:
[03:40] Oh my gosh, yes, that growth. Because some people, I've realized too, I was just talking about this with somebody. Some people relate to you on growth, and then some people you have a form of recognition and stagnation.

Speaker 4:
[03:53] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[03:53] Where they're hitting this hurt point, where it's like this is the only place that we can vibe together, is thinking about all the things we've been through, and how hard it's been.

Speaker 4:
[04:02] No one wants to be in that rut.

Speaker 1:
[04:03] No.

Speaker 4:
[04:04] We are growing women, and we are evolving women, and it doesn't mean that you don't love the people from your past. It just means that some people... You know, this is a kind of a funny, sad thing where... Have you ever looked back at like people that maybe you went to high school with, or that you've known from the past, and they were like the most popular girl at school?

Speaker 1:
[04:28] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[04:28] And you wanted to be them?

Speaker 1:
[04:30] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[04:31] And then you see them years later, and you're like, oh no, what happened?

Speaker 1:
[04:36] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[04:39] I'm like, who was that in my class? I got the names.

Speaker 4:
[04:44] But no, but it's a choice to evolve, is my point. And if we stop, we become stagnant, we don't grow. And then you're like, how can I be at the best self if this is where I'm stopping? So I think it's important to like, yes, have these conversations and also encourage the people who may need that, encourage the friends who may need that.

Speaker 1:
[05:06] Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. What are you mostly?

Speaker 4:
[05:09] That was a very long answer, by the way, because it's supposed to be quick. It's a pull up. It's not a spend the night.

Speaker 1:
[05:14] But also I like to spend the night. I like that it becomes a sleepover.

Speaker 2:
[05:18] Well, we need some slippers.

Speaker 1:
[05:19] I think about me and you at the 15% pledge, we're walking out and we're like, we're planning to sleep over. We said that. That has to happen.

Speaker 4:
[05:28] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[05:28] We need to do it.

Speaker 4:
[05:29] And I'll bring Kez so then he can look after your boy and they can have their moment.

Speaker 1:
[05:32] I just live for the boy mama.

Speaker 2:
[05:34] I know it's so good.

Speaker 1:
[05:35] He pulled up I think that night, picking you up.

Speaker 2:
[05:37] Mass ID.

Speaker 1:
[05:38] Mass ID. Yes, that's the coolest thing. I said, that's my son. Like, honey, I've been at the party. Pull up and get mama.

Speaker 2:
[05:44] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[05:45] Listen, I'm saving money.

Speaker 1:
[05:46] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[05:47] Listen, no car service. He is the car service.

Speaker 1:
[05:51] What are you most grateful for today? Wake up with joy in my heart and good health. And what else could you say?

Speaker 4:
[05:57] I feel that way. I try to pause every morning and just feel that. It's easy to say, but you have to feel it. Because that's where the manifestation of good things starts is by feeling that and knowing, I can imagine even with your schedule that you probably sometimes feel like, how am I gonna do all of this today? And I find when I feel that way and I start with that, it's actually the fuel that I need to do it and feel good and know that like, I'm just gonna take a breath and pause.

Speaker 1:
[06:35] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[06:37] And it does, because really what I realized I used to do a lot is the movie that I made in my head about what needed to be done was way more dramatic than what actually needed to be done.

Speaker 1:
[06:49] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[06:50] So I stopped that. That you got to quiet the noise in your head and just be, just be grateful.

Speaker 1:
[06:54] You do seem like every time that I've been around you, you always have this sense of pacing. How do you keep things slowed down? Because it's not like you're moving slow, but you kind of have a presence about yourself where it's like, that chaos ain't over here.

Speaker 4:
[07:08] I can't do it.

Speaker 2:
[07:10] I look at you and I'm like, what?

Speaker 4:
[07:13] This baby is made of magic because every time I see you and what I love about you is you're fearless. You will say what you think, you stand for what you believe in, you will speak on things that maybe are uncomfortable, but necessary and that is brave.

Speaker 1:
[07:32] Thank you.

Speaker 4:
[07:33] It's brave for us women to do those things. I think for me, I wish I had that thing where I could just go, go, go, go, go. I'm in the bed at like 930.

Speaker 1:
[07:44] That's fabulous.

Speaker 2:
[07:46] I am like 930. My son is like, are you going upstairs?

Speaker 4:
[07:49] Yup, gots to go.

Speaker 1:
[07:51] I think that's important.

Speaker 4:
[07:52] Quiet time.

Speaker 1:
[07:53] Because you still have everything from how I look at you. You know what I mean? You don't operate from that thing that we do often see that I think some people use me as an example of where we're always this hyper-functioning, which is fine. I think there's seasons of that. It's great. It's cool.

Speaker 4:
[08:09] When you hit 50, you're going to be like, Nia.

Speaker 1:
[08:11] Right. I'm done with this.

Speaker 4:
[08:12] What should we do now? Because I'm trying to come on your side.

Speaker 1:
[08:15] You know what I mean?

Speaker 4:
[08:16] It's a different thing.

Speaker 1:
[08:17] I feel like you've always had that. You know what I mean? You've always been very successful. I think it's important because everybody don't have to move like that.

Speaker 4:
[08:25] With urgency.

Speaker 1:
[08:26] You don't have to to still get what you want. That's important.

Speaker 4:
[08:29] Yeah. There's two thoughts. But I also think, let's talk about the world that we're living in right now. We're in a world where we're getting constant information. That constant information on our phones make us feel like we actually really need to be in this state of urgency all the time.

Speaker 1:
[08:48] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[08:49] I didn't come from that generation.

Speaker 2:
[08:51] If there were cell phones with me in the 90s in New York City, do you not understand the stories that would be told?

Speaker 4:
[09:00] I was naughty.

Speaker 1:
[09:01] Oh my gosh, girl, I would have lived to be back there with you.

Speaker 2:
[09:05] We had fun and nobody knew.

Speaker 1:
[09:09] Were you at the clubs? Were you at the fashion show? What was your vibe?

Speaker 4:
[09:12] I was definitely at the clubs. I was definitely at the clubs. I was definitely hanging out with Boyz. I had no business hanging out with. I was in the streets.

Speaker 1:
[09:24] I love that girl. Because you are the quintessential it girl. I know that must be ridiculous. When people, it's true.

Speaker 2:
[09:34] But that's, I mean, but like, I don't know.

Speaker 1:
[09:37] I cannot tell a lie. Call me Abe Lincoln. We're gonna get to that. Okay, we still did. We girl, we really been not pulled up. We been at the sleepover with this. Let's get to the end of this. Okay, we've been on this girl. We keep keying like, okay. What's a question you wish you were asked more in interviews? This is good. What I would be doing if I wasn't an actor. Okay, so what would you be doing if you weren't an actor?

Speaker 4:
[10:04] I think I'd be a therapist.

Speaker 1:
[10:07] Girl, I'm already on the couch.

Speaker 4:
[10:08] I think I'd be a therapist, but I wouldn't have been a therapist 10 years ago or 20 years ago. I'd be a therapist now because I have such a better understanding of self. I have a better understanding of grace. I have a better understanding of how to get to your truth. And so I don't think you could be helped to anyone else if you don't know to do that for yourself.

Speaker 1:
[10:30] How do you get to your truth is really, really hard. It's so hard. It's like a series. Because a lot of times in your mind, you have a lot of pseudo emotions. I feel like it's what, I think I read that when I was reading like Eckhart Tolle, one of his books where you're always in this surface point where it's like, you might think you're angry or you like this or you want fame or you want these things that are surface. But really it's like, actually, I want to be seen.

Speaker 4:
[10:53] Yeah, or I need love.

Speaker 1:
[10:55] I need love.

Speaker 4:
[10:56] I feel insecure. I don't feel power. So, right, so getting to the core of that emotion.

Speaker 1:
[11:01] That is tough.

Speaker 4:
[11:02] That's the work.

Speaker 1:
[11:03] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[11:03] That's the work.

Speaker 1:
[11:05] This next one I'm very jealous about.

Speaker 2:
[11:06] I don't even know. I don't remember what it is.

Speaker 1:
[11:08] Who is someone you met that made you feel starstruck? You met Michael Jackson.

Speaker 4:
[11:13] I met Michael Jackson.

Speaker 1:
[11:15] When did you meet Michael Jackson?

Speaker 4:
[11:16] I met Michael Jackson at a Stevie Wonder concert with John Singleton, and I couldn't speak. Nia, I literally couldn't speak. You know when someone's standing next to you and you're like, that's not Michael Jackson. That's like a lookalike. That's like an impersonator.

Speaker 1:
[11:35] Because he always had one too.

Speaker 2:
[11:37] He's got like 20 of them. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[11:38] It was like Elvis Presley.

Speaker 4:
[11:39] Now they're about to really come out, girl. We're going to see like 99, 100 Michael Jackson. I'm so excited for that movie.

Speaker 1:
[11:46] There's this one impersonator, Michael Jackson, where he literally would go around and look at other Michael Jacksons to be like, good job. Like he's the real Michael, like he's the real Michael.

Speaker 2:
[11:55] That is so nervy.

Speaker 1:
[11:56] He's so funny, he walks around, he's like, he's good. It's like, you're not Michael either.

Speaker 2:
[12:01] You're not setting the bar for the rest of the Michaels.

Speaker 4:
[12:05] He's going to see this and be like, they're talking about you.

Speaker 1:
[12:07] Oh my gosh, he's definitely going to post this. He is good with his digital, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 2:
[12:10] Oh, well, he's all over this then. Okay.

Speaker 4:
[12:12] He's coming over for the sleepover next time.

Speaker 1:
[12:15] Last one, what's a mantra you live by and why? Mama, business, I don't need the noise, okay?

Speaker 4:
[12:22] Now, that's the third F-bomb in one interview.

Speaker 1:
[12:26] That's what I'm talking about. I don't need the noise. I don't need the noise. The noise is heavy.

Speaker 4:
[12:32] The noise will break you down.

Speaker 1:
[12:34] Girl.

Speaker 4:
[12:35] The noise will break you down.

Speaker 1:
[12:37] So growing up, you moved from Brooklyn to Iowa City. Yeah. Those feel very different in my mind.

Speaker 2:
[12:42] They were very different.

Speaker 1:
[12:43] Because what's in Iowa?

Speaker 4:
[12:45] So my mom went to the University of Iowa. She got her master's there. She's a painter. She. Fabulous. Yeah. So this was during a time where scholarships were given and young black artists were, she got a full scholarship.

Speaker 1:
[13:00] Two masters in fine arts.

Speaker 4:
[13:01] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:02] Incredible.

Speaker 4:
[13:03] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[13:03] I mean, how do you feel like going from those places impacted or shaped how you looked at work ethic and adaptability? Just seeing your mom as a single mom handled all that.

Speaker 4:
[13:13] It's so crazy sitting here talking to you because you're like my baby in my mind, like my little tiny baby that was like my little baby sister and now like you're like, does everyone say that to you when they come on the show?

Speaker 2:
[13:24] When I just had a moment when I was like, oh my gosh, you're like a full woman now and a mommy.

Speaker 4:
[13:32] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[13:32] Sorry.

Speaker 4:
[13:32] I'm sorry.

Speaker 3:
[13:33] I just blacked out like real quick.

Speaker 4:
[13:36] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[13:38] So I think, okay.

Speaker 4:
[13:39] So yes, there was a culture shock.

Speaker 1:
[13:41] For sure. Right.

Speaker 4:
[13:42] So I'm in Brooklyn. My grandparents are Caribbean. Oh, where from Trinidad?

Speaker 1:
[13:47] Period.

Speaker 4:
[13:48] Barbados, Grenada.

Speaker 1:
[13:49] I knew you had the island because you're going to get somebody in check fast.

Speaker 4:
[13:52] Quick.

Speaker 1:
[13:52] That's that island. Yes.

Speaker 4:
[13:55] There's some hot pepper sauce at any time.

Speaker 1:
[13:58] I love it so much.

Speaker 4:
[13:59] Don't play with me.

Speaker 1:
[14:01] I love that.

Speaker 4:
[14:02] We don't play them games.

Speaker 1:
[14:05] So we're in Brooklyn.

Speaker 4:
[14:06] Yeah. So then my mother got a full scholarship to go to the University of Iowa. She took the scholarship. She went to Cooper Union in New York. Went to Howard. And so she was a single mom. We, you know, we got there and it was very white.

Speaker 1:
[14:20] Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[14:21] And I was the only little black girl in my school. I think there was like maybe six black children in the whole school. And this was a K through 12 school. And I experienced racism and I experienced hate. And I experienced definitely a sense of identity that I did not. I was not very sure of who I was. Wow. And I had a lost sense of my own identity. And at times like what it meant to be black in America in the 1970s, because that was a very important time for us. And it was until I got to LA and I landed in South Central that I really understood what black people were going through because it was in front of me. I knew what I had gone through in Iowa, but being in a community of black people where I was often teased for speaking proper or teased for having a little bit of a different look that didn't really fit with the light skinned girls or the dark skinned girls and being like the colorism. These are the things that we understand as black women.

Speaker 1:
[15:24] Yeah. So when you moved to LA., when you moved to South Central, how old were you and was this immediately about you and your career? Were you still kind of just coasting through?

Speaker 4:
[15:35] I was nine.

Speaker 1:
[15:36] You were nine, yeah. So you were nine when you moved. I was nine.

Speaker 4:
[15:37] I was a baby.

Speaker 1:
[15:38] So you were still quite young.

Speaker 2:
[15:39] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[15:39] I was really young and I didn't start acting. Like taking my first acting class, I was about 12.

Speaker 1:
[15:45] Wow.

Speaker 4:
[15:46] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[15:46] I was about 12.

Speaker 1:
[15:47] How did that into, was it because your mom already was an artist that that seemed like an available option for you? Because I feel like a lot of people don't know, hey, you could be a kid actor. I mean, I think it's popular now, especially Disney, all that stuff. But like, what made you think I could be a kid actor or actor as a kid?

Speaker 4:
[16:03] I was always kind of interested in show business, but not because I wanted to be a star. I just thought like, well, if they can do what I can do it too. And my mother was also really big into R&B music back then. And so I saw women like Whitney Houston, but also women like, it was Whitney, it was Barbra Streisand, it was Minnie Riverton, it was Phyllis Hyman, it was Patrice Rush.

Speaker 3:
[16:31] Yes, it was Patrice Rush.

Speaker 4:
[16:32] And these were all the women that I would see just on album covers in our home in Iowa. So when I got to LA and I started like, you know, meeting the girls from around the way we would do, you know how you had your crew and you do like dance routines on the porch?

Speaker 1:
[16:47] Of course, that's TikTok now.

Speaker 2:
[16:49] It's TikTok. Girl, we had, I had the-

Speaker 1:
[16:52] We've been doing it.

Speaker 4:
[16:53] We've been doing, where's the camera?

Speaker 2:
[16:58] Y'all like, y'all don't know nothing about this.

Speaker 4:
[17:02] But we had the, I had the OG boom box with the cassette tapes and solid gold.

Speaker 2:
[17:08] Remember solid gold?

Speaker 1:
[17:09] Oh my gosh, that's OG.

Speaker 4:
[17:10] That's what I'm saying. So I, and I started at the YMCA. My babysitter would take me to the YMCA and I would perform there. And one day I was like, I want to take an acting class. And so I took an acting class at LACC Community College. And then I met Regina King at high school.

Speaker 1:
[17:30] And Regina had already been on 227 by then, would you say? Not yet.

Speaker 4:
[17:34] Quite yet, but she was definitely there.

Speaker 1:
[17:38] Wow.

Speaker 4:
[17:38] And working. And so one day she invited me to a class and it stuck. It stuck.

Speaker 1:
[17:45] That is so cool. Would you say that's when you thought, this is my dream? Like this is, I'm going to be an actor professionally?

Speaker 4:
[17:54] You know, honestly, like, acting class was very therapeutic for me.

Speaker 1:
[17:58] Interesting.

Speaker 4:
[17:59] Because I was able to explore my emotions through scene work. And that was a little bit of like, you could work through some things. Single mom, my dad wasn't really around. You know, you're dealing with abandonment issues. You're dealing with growing up in Iowa as a young black girl. You're, you're, you've experienced racism. You understand what segregation is. You're trying to come into your own, but you're also in a black community with people that aren't totally accepting me as I was.

Speaker 1:
[18:31] Wow.

Speaker 4:
[18:32] So there was a lot to uncover and to understand.

Speaker 1:
[18:35] Yeah, dealing with a lot of that.

Speaker 4:
[18:36] And there weren't conversations. We didn't talk about that stuff. We just felt it.

Speaker 1:
[18:40] Yes. I mean, I think it's so, it's so crazy how words can give clarity and almost relief. Like when I think about the language we have now with like microaggressions or structural systemic racism. Like we didn't have, it was just like, this feel weird.

Speaker 4:
[18:54] And deal with it.

Speaker 1:
[18:54] Something going on.

Speaker 4:
[18:55] And deal with it.

Speaker 1:
[18:56] They'd say my hair crunches. You know, like there was nothing more that you could go. And then the whole like, you know, Oreo or the concept of code switching, you know, at a young age, I knew very early on, you know, my parents put us in private school because they wanted us to have a better education.

Speaker 4:
[19:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:10] My sister and I both were the only black kids in our class.

Speaker 4:
[19:12] We're four years apart.

Speaker 1:
[19:14] St. Benedict and Blue Island.

Speaker 4:
[19:15] I went to St. Mary's for a hot second. And then I got into a fight with a senior and got kicked out. Oh, yeah, it was weird.

Speaker 1:
[19:21] That was at Trinidad.

Speaker 4:
[19:22] It was Trinidad.

Speaker 2:
[19:23] Trinidad said, I don't care if you're a senior.

Speaker 1:
[19:30] Girl, period, because what did you do with messing with me?

Speaker 2:
[19:32] Well, this is the thing.

Speaker 4:
[19:34] It's like no one wants to be bullied and no one wants to be talked about or, you know.

Speaker 1:
[19:39] I became funny. You know what I mean? My sister was the white girl, full eyes. And I was like, oh, it won't be me. You know it's you.

Speaker 4:
[19:48] So you performed.

Speaker 1:
[19:49] Right. I performed because that was my safety. So I really relate to you on those characters, those that gave me an opportunity to express and play with themes of emotions and things I couldn't have otherwise accessed. So it's like, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[20:05] And we weren't, there wasn't a space for us to think enough about ourselves to even explore what we were feeling. It was like survival. I mean, even though I went to private school and even though my parents did what they could do and my mother worked really hard and my grandmother and grandparents provided, that we were still, at least I know I was, we were still my family, we were in the mindset of survival. And when you are constantly trying to survive, there is no room for self-exploration. And so that becomes the thing that as an adult, as you become a mother, as you deal with relationships that are trying and poke you, and when those things happen, though it's such a blessing, because those are the things that make you stop to try to seek understanding.

Speaker 1:
[20:57] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[20:58] And so you can never look at anything that happens in your life as bad or good. It's just part of the journey.

Speaker 1:
[21:07] I love everything you're saying, especially even to people that don't have children. But I will say for me, having my son has done just that, especially when we think about themes around survival and continuity over just embodied experience and presence.

Speaker 4:
[21:23] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[21:24] The concept of rest as something that you shouldn't have to work to have or receive, but it's something that you give yourself.

Speaker 4:
[21:31] You hit the gift.

Speaker 1:
[21:32] And have that safety in that. That's something that I've really been thinking a lot about. Because yeah, you think about lineage, but it's like so many of us were just taught to survive.

Speaker 4:
[21:42] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[21:43] Just to make it to the next day.

Speaker 4:
[21:44] And that's it. And you weren't even allowed to stop and pause and check in with yourself. So that thing that you're talking about, that's slowing down, it's because I require that of myself for myself. And it's a little bit difficult to do, I think, when you have younger children. But you're going to wake up one day and you're going to go, Oh, I'm back. That part of me that had to give and give and give and give to this little being. Now you're able to look and go, Oh, he's there. And then you start pouring back into yourself, unless you do like me and have another one 15 years later. I was like, thank you.

Speaker 2:
[22:28] Kids are so far apart.

Speaker 1:
[22:29] At what age would you say or at least with your first, I know you said you already have the second one, it became the same thing, but like what age did he get to where you were kind of feeling like, we had, you know, it's a vibe, how old?

Speaker 2:
[22:41] It's like nine.

Speaker 1:
[22:43] We got some time.

Speaker 4:
[22:44] You got time girl.

Speaker 1:
[22:47] You gonna be at 20?

Speaker 4:
[22:48] She said, no, no. And then it happens again and again and again. So with each stage, you know, you pull back that thing as you know, I wouldn't say I'm a helicopter mom, but I'm definitely in all of that business.

Speaker 3:
[23:04] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[23:06] So you just pull back a little. And then they prove to you that they can handle the independence. And then you give them a little more. And as you're taking away, you're pouring back into yourself because you got to stay fine. You've got to stay fine. There will be.

Speaker 1:
[23:25] That is the realest.

Speaker 4:
[23:27] There will be no, because we're in an industry where, like, we're not really allowed to fall off.

Speaker 3:
[23:34] You have to.

Speaker 1:
[23:35] And I do actually love that push. I love that push. Keep me together. Because I don't want to be just like, you know, so sometimes you can't be the girl, what's the girl in high school?

Speaker 3:
[23:45] Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2:
[23:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[23:46] We're going to beep the last name. You know who you are.

Speaker 4:
[23:49] You know who you are.

Speaker 1:
[23:50] She knows what she did.

Speaker 2:
[23:51] She knows what she did.

Speaker 1:
[23:52] You know, she was mad because she liked me.

Speaker 4:
[23:55] You know what? I have so many of those.

Speaker 1:
[23:58] You mad.

Speaker 4:
[23:59] Why are you mad?

Speaker 1:
[24:00] Okay. Now, you ended up telling yourself, if you didn't have a consistent acting job, by the time that you got your high school diploma, you'd go to university.

Speaker 4:
[24:09] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[24:10] But you ended up landing a job. That job was the guiding light?

Speaker 4:
[24:22] That job was the guiding light.

Speaker 1:
[24:24] How was that for you? Because did you feel like, did you expect to get a job or were you testing yourself? Was there true belief that you'd be able to make it a real thing?

Speaker 4:
[24:35] Listen again, I was in survival mode. I graduated high school early. I went to Santa Monica College, did two years. I had a plan for myself. And I was very deliberate about my plan very early on. And so I said, if I don't get a job by this point, I'm gonna go back to school and get my degree. But I was so close to so many things that I felt like, maybe I don't need to go to college. And so guiding light ultimately became four years of university, hands on experience.

Speaker 1:
[25:07] Wow, yes, what are the things that you remember from working on that show that you feel like?

Speaker 4:
[25:12] I remember cameras everywhere, but they were moving. I remember the lights. I remember having to hit my marks. I remember having, you know, five and six pages of dialogue where you're like, ah, how am I gonna remember all that? But it was really an exercise of being completely present.

Speaker 1:
[25:30] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, let's talk about Boyz n the Hood, because I mean, it wasn't just the movie. It was a cultural shift. It really, really was. I even still think about that now when I'm thinking about John Singleton.

Speaker 4:
[25:40] I miss him so much. Oh, gosh.

Speaker 1:
[25:41] I hate that I didn't get a chance to work with him, especially because so much of his work, especially now that so much time has passed, it was like documentary narrative.

Speaker 4:
[25:50] Absolutely. And it was on film.

Speaker 1:
[25:52] It was just-

Speaker 4:
[25:52] It was on film.

Speaker 1:
[25:54] It's incredible to just think about the way that he was exposing what was happening in the world in this way that is very pop culture, but has so much depth. But I found it interesting that you at first, before knowing he was directing it, kind of unsure if this was a movie that you wanted to do, which I think is really cool because it's like, hey, who's telling this story?

Speaker 4:
[26:14] Who's telling the story? I mean, we had Spike Lee in New York, but we didn't really have our LA director yet. It was marinating and percolating, but it hadn't landed yet. Come on, percolate. So when I got the call, I said, John Singleton, well, that doesn't necessarily sound black to me. And I said to my agent, I said, oh, is this some white guy trying to tell the story about where I live and what we do? So I get the script, Boyz n the Hood. I'm like, okay, what kind of title is this? Because I'm living in South Central at this time.

Speaker 1:
[26:47] Yep.

Speaker 4:
[26:48] I read the script, I couldn't put it down. And it was the realest, most honest thing that I had ever read about young, urban, black culture. And so I remember just saying to my agent, I'm like, is this director white or black? Because from where I stood, I didn't meet very many black directors. And sure enough, on a rainy day, I walked in the casting room and there he was. And I just was like, hi. And he was like, who are you? And I was like, who are you? Because I didn't know it was him. And he got right up in my face and I was like, I know this guy is not trying to holla at me at the audition. This cannot be what's happening right now. And he said, I'm John Singleton, the director. And I go, oh, hi.

Speaker 2:
[27:36] That's her real sweet cold switch. OK, I'm so glad to be here.

Speaker 3:
[27:43] I'm so happy to meet you, John Singleton.

Speaker 4:
[27:49] And I did the audition and I walked out of there not knowing what was going to happen. But the thing that I appreciated about him most is his commitment to truth. Every character in that film, in some sort of way, had a connection to the real person.

Speaker 1:
[28:08] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[28:09] In a real authentic way, right? And so there wasn't a lot of acting required. If there was more, it was more about being vulnerable. Wow.

Speaker 1:
[28:19] So he's kind of one of those directors that let you interpret the scene?

Speaker 4:
[28:24] Well, I think he could see pieces of the actors, pieces of the character in who he cast. So because he wanted to know everyone's story. You didn't just come in and audition. It was like a therapy session. At one point, I think I even cried because he was like, so tell me about your life. So I go on, I tell him about my life. And then I'm like, yeah, he's like, what about your dad? And I remember I just started crying because it was still very raw for me at that time. And I just thought, oh, wow, he hit a nerve.

Speaker 1:
[28:56] That is really before the time, meaning that type of casting, that meta type of narrative storytelling that's coinciding with the storyline, I feel like we see a lot of that now, but that was not happening then, which I think is just so remarkable when we think about people like John Singleton. But it's also interesting for you to be a newcomer and already be thinking about just like how black stories are being told. How were you?

Speaker 4:
[29:24] My father, he did not play when it came to us. He was a poet, a deep thinker. He was very much a part of the belief system of the civil rights movement. And he was a voice in the community. And so I think certain things are just inherited. I don't know that I, I mean, I know my history and I've seen what we've been through, but there's that thing inside of me that cares deeply about us. And to represent who we are. And the older I get, and the more that I'm raising these young men, it's become more and more important. Yeah, because I want us all to understand each other. It's not just about separatism. I don't believe in that. I believe in understanding and finding truth and finding that connective tissue that actually makes us human.

Speaker 1:
[30:18] Yeah, I feel the same way.

Speaker 4:
[30:21] And that doesn't have a color. There's no race to that. You know, that's humanity.

Speaker 1:
[30:27] Yes. So, you credit John Singleton with discovering you.

Speaker 4:
[30:32] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[30:32] How did you, what are some things, you've said a little bit over here, but when you think about those early days on set with him, what is something that you feel like still stays with you or stuck with you from there, especially as you now also a director?

Speaker 4:
[30:44] Yeah. He's so specific. He was so specific about what he wanted. And I think you can probably relate to this too. When a director knows what he wants, it doesn't matter how good you are. When he knows what he wants and he tells you where to go, and he, but he also gives you the freedom to change it if it doesn't feel good. You know you're safe.

Speaker 1:
[31:10] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[31:11] And the worst thing in the world is to be on a set, and you're shooting a film, and you feel like you're kind of on an island alone, and there's no connection between you and your director.

Speaker 1:
[31:24] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[31:25] And we've all been there a million times.

Speaker 2:
[31:30] Oh God.

Speaker 1:
[31:32] Could you just imagine, I just started telling you. I'm bleeping this, but guys.

Speaker 2:
[31:36] Outtakes.

Speaker 1:
[31:37] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[31:37] Outtakes.

Speaker 1:
[31:38] It's tough.

Speaker 4:
[31:39] It's tough.

Speaker 1:
[31:40] It's tough.

Speaker 4:
[31:41] It's tough because you're, you're relying on yourself. And then you feel like you got to look at the monitor. Is my hair done? Is my makeup right? Is my, and I'm like, I was here to act. I'm not here to be the wardrobe person, the hairstylist, the makeup.

Speaker 1:
[31:56] I just heard when you said that. I'm not scared of you. These other dudes, they might be scared of you, but I'll whip your ass.

Speaker 2:
[32:04] That line, just, I heard it. When you did that there, I went right back to writing. It's the same girl, girl. It's the same girl.

Speaker 1:
[32:11] She said, I will whip your girl.

Speaker 2:
[32:14] I remember F. Gary Gray cracked up when I said that.

Speaker 4:
[32:16] I don't even know that that was in the script that way, but here's what happened. We had literally 30 seconds to get that shot.

Speaker 2:
[32:26] And as you notice, there's no coverage of me on the ground because we ran out of money and time.

Speaker 4:
[32:33] So I was like, I said, well, are you gonna turn around and get me on the ground?

Speaker 2:
[32:36] Like, is there a stunt involved? He said, no, you're gonna be slapped right out of the frame.

Speaker 1:
[32:44] Girl, that, I just watched it recently again.

Speaker 2:
[32:47] It's a funny movie.

Speaker 1:
[32:48] It's so, and then I think I feel like also what makes it so good and like a classic, especially of the Friday franchises, at the center of it, it was about a lot of what you just said. It was about community, it was about gun violence.

Speaker 4:
[33:01] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[33:01] It was about, you gotta live, live to fight another day.

Speaker 4:
[33:05] That's it.

Speaker 1:
[33:06] Especially at that time where gun, I mean, we still having issues with gun violence.

Speaker 4:
[33:11] Same thing.

Speaker 1:
[33:12] You think it's like, I'm like y'all, at the end of the day Friday was funny, but it had a message.

Speaker 4:
[33:16] It was a real Friday in the Hood, and it was layered with all the things that we dealt with, the good stuff, the funny stuff, the weed, the cereal with water, and maybe losing your life. All of these things.

Speaker 1:
[33:29] Like, I just love that.

Speaker 4:
[33:31] It was a great film.

Speaker 1:
[33:32] Let's get into the 90s because you mentioned it earlier, y'all didn't have social media. No branding consultants. Like, it was very, it was a different level of mystique. And I'm wondering if you feel like that has allowed more longevity, or do you feel like it would have been great if y'all had a little bit more digital access or just to expand your reach?

Speaker 4:
[33:52] I think it was perfect. I think the 90s was absolutely perfect.

Speaker 2:
[33:58] Oh, my gosh, so do we.

Speaker 1:
[34:00] We want to go back.

Speaker 4:
[34:02] And I just feel like, you know, there was a naivety about the 90s that made us very powerful, because we didn't have, I couldn't afford a stylist. There was no, you got dressed with what you had in your closet and you found a drug dealer to buy you some, a new purse.

Speaker 2:
[34:28] Come on!

Speaker 4:
[34:29] I definitely had some Gucci sneakers in my day and a good purse.

Speaker 1:
[34:32] Oh, my gosh, that is so funny. And I love that you, I also wonder, like, is that just what we all feel about our youth? Like, even me, I think about the 2010s, and I'm like, they were awesome. Now, I still look at the, think about the 90s, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, they were so cool. I wish I was the age I am now then. But also in general, I think some of that is, is that just that era of any of our lives, the early 20s?

Speaker 4:
[34:53] No, because the, no, sorry.

Speaker 1:
[34:56] Damn, it really was just different then.

Speaker 4:
[34:58] It was different because.

Speaker 1:
[34:59] I love that though.

Speaker 4:
[35:01] It was different because it was the beginning.

Speaker 1:
[35:05] There's a renaissance.

Speaker 4:
[35:06] It was a renaissance. There was hip hop music in New York City, in LA. Then it went, sprinkled down to the south. So there was just this surge of energy, of greatness, of talent, of music. And we didn't care who said yes or no. We owned the space and we were so hungry for more. Because when you think of the civil rights movement and you think how their push and their voices got us to be where we were.

Speaker 1:
[35:37] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[35:38] We were empowered.

Speaker 1:
[35:39] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[35:40] Now young people are being powered by fake imagery and images on social media that don't have very much substance. The substance is the thing that gets you longevity.

Speaker 1:
[35:55] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[35:56] If you don't, you can't pretend to be a star. You can't pretend to be talented. You have to have the substance to marry the talent. And that's what gets to the longevity. I think, I mean, I don't know if I'm right about everything, but I know that I'm committed to that.

Speaker 1:
[36:14] I mean, to me, it aligns. And when I think about, like, we were just talking about Friday, it ain't just a funny movie. It has a message. Even when I think about the most silly, satirical works, like, Don't Be a Minister, South Central, Why Drinking Your Juice in the Hood.

Speaker 4:
[36:25] But it was amazing. Message.

Speaker 1:
[36:27] Message.

Speaker 4:
[36:28] Hi. We knew exactly what that meant.

Speaker 1:
[36:30] Hollywood Shuffle, you know?

Speaker 4:
[36:33] Robert Townsend's genius.

Speaker 1:
[36:34] They were all, it was always something that was crucial happening at the core of it. I think about the wood, it's about growing up. It's about we no longer can be childish and do the funny kid things we did anymore, but we're gonna always love each other, even though it's time for us to move on. Like everything had weight to it. What do you think it's because we're chasing numbers and just like we're equating visibility and popularity with, you know, like, you know, is that what has happened with digital? Cause I wonder why it's like, what has changed with the material? Why aren't we always looking for the quality?

Speaker 4:
[37:07] It's just not what it used to be. Everything doesn't have to be perfect art. I don't think there's such a thing as perfect art anyway. But when I turn on a film and I say turn on a film, because now everything's streaming, there's no more going to the movies. It makes me so sad.

Speaker 1:
[37:29] Baby girl.

Speaker 4:
[37:30] It breaks my heart.

Speaker 1:
[37:31] That was my thing.

Speaker 4:
[37:32] I know. And I think as much as we love streaming because it's giving so many other actors opportunities that may not have those opportunities, right? But I really miss the art of going to the theater. And I think because there's such a quick turnover with streaming, there's a... you have to inform the audience in a different way when you're working on something that's streaming. And I just did a film for Netflix and I love Netflix and they've been so amazing and supportive with my career. But we were having this conversation about streaming and the difference. And the difference is we are usually, I know for me, I'm usually folding clothes, washing clothes, making a bed, cooking, doing five other things while I'm watching a movie. And so the content of that film has to, in some sort of way, have a little bit of repetition so that if your audience member walks away for 20 minutes and comes back, they can plop right back in.

Speaker 1:
[38:31] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[38:32] When you go see a film in a movie theater, you can't do that. You can't rewind it. If you get up to use the restroom, you better pick a time that you think it's going to carry you to the next moment.

Speaker 1:
[38:44] We didn't get commercials.

Speaker 2:
[38:45] We don't have commercials.

Speaker 1:
[38:46] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[38:47] And so I think the quality of filmmaking is a lot different. And I think the content that's being, I don't love all of it.

Speaker 1:
[38:57] And I'll be honest, too, there's something that's different, too, with when it, I also love streaming. I love getting opportunities to perform and act. The world is changing, technology, all that. I get it, you know? I get it.

Speaker 4:
[39:07] We have to be accepted.

Speaker 1:
[39:09] But when we think about that early renaissance of the 90s, black rom-coms, just family movies, early 2000s, I mean, Soul Food.

Speaker 4:
[39:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:17] Forever. Body shaped like a Coke bottle, so we should call it a Coke bottle.

Speaker 2:
[39:21] My bird, come on, bird. My husband, that's my husband.

Speaker 1:
[39:26] I love.

Speaker 4:
[39:28] Oh my God, I love.

Speaker 3:
[39:29] Vivica was so great to me in that scene too.

Speaker 2:
[39:32] You know I love me some Vivica.

Speaker 1:
[39:34] Cornbread.

Speaker 3:
[39:36] I love it.

Speaker 1:
[39:38] Cousin Faith with her fast ass.

Speaker 2:
[39:41] You know what the family did? The family f***ed my husband. Vanessa was amazing. I remember, wait, hold up. When we filmed that scene and she said those lies, I was like, yes, Vanessa. I couldn't even act in the scene because she was so good and she was so proper and so regal.

Speaker 4:
[40:01] I was just so tripping that this was like Vanessa Williams in the same scene with her, right?

Speaker 1:
[40:06] Girl, and Makai Pfeiffer.

Speaker 4:
[40:07] Who with his fine ass?

Speaker 1:
[40:11] That man was just too fine.

Speaker 2:
[40:13] He was still fine.

Speaker 1:
[40:14] And they was mad at Bird like, girl.

Speaker 2:
[40:15] They was mad at me with my blue nails. Okay. Girl, up in there doing hair with the crimps.

Speaker 1:
[40:21] That movie, speaking of all of that to say, I realized that a lot, even with my movie in early 2000s, 2004, 2006, Akeelah and the Bee, didn't do well in the theaters. It did amazing with DVDs. And so it's very interesting, even with you, speaking on Love Jones, Utah Flop. But then it's this mess. So it's interesting because I feel like now we're seeing where we don't have DVDs anymore. But to me, that's what streaming has become.

Speaker 4:
[40:51] Absolutely.

Speaker 1:
[40:51] Where these movies that were hits on DVDs that people bought from home that maybe weren't big in the theaters, it's now unfortunately hurt the cinematic opportunity for rom-coms and those kinds of films. Yeah. Because now they just go straight to the DVD.

Speaker 4:
[41:06] I know.

Speaker 1:
[41:07] They don't, they totally go over that cinema part. Again, it's interesting as time changes. I'm not sure how good that is for artists or how not. I don't know how many of us get box office back end. I don't know if it's-

Speaker 4:
[41:21] I think we're in the middle of where we don't know.

Speaker 1:
[41:24] Right.

Speaker 4:
[41:25] Because we're kind of, it's like one foot in and one foot out. I'm just hoping that the tide changes and we end up having that experience in the movie theater. I hope that we get back to that because I think it's like you, I mean, I just remember we used to go to the movie theater every Christmas day. That was our family thing. I mean, there's usually one good film during Christmas time, but it's hard to find options.

Speaker 1:
[41:53] It is. It really, really is. You said in the same interview about Love Jones that you felt Nina is the most like you. Why? Love that character and Bill Bellamy was hating so bad in that movie.

Speaker 3:
[42:05] He's such a hater.

Speaker 1:
[42:06] He was hating on Darryl.

Speaker 2:
[42:07] Bill Bellamy, you're a hater.

Speaker 4:
[42:08] Where are you? Bill hating ass Bellamy.

Speaker 1:
[42:13] He cracked me up in that movie. I said, this brother gonna come to the club again.

Speaker 2:
[42:17] I said it when we were shooting.

Speaker 3:
[42:18] I said, damn.

Speaker 4:
[42:24] Well, the interesting thing about Love Jones was, you know, it was one of those things where I picked up that script again, read it in one swoop. And I was just like, and you know, it was a lot like me in the sense that it felt like I was in this world, like I was just submerged in art. And you know, my dad was a poet and he was from Trenton. And so Chicago and New York have a thing.

Speaker 1:
[42:52] Y'all shot that in Chicago.

Speaker 4:
[42:53] We did.

Speaker 1:
[42:54] My mom actually tried to write a song for that movie.

Speaker 4:
[42:56] She did?

Speaker 1:
[42:56] Yes, she did. Oh my God, I love that. From Chicago, you know how to Chicago. Chicago has so much talent, but they can't never, it's like such a thing.

Speaker 4:
[43:02] So much, I know.

Speaker 1:
[43:03] Anyway, but anyway, we did Soul Food with Chicago too.

Speaker 4:
[43:08] I spent a lot of time in Chicago.

Speaker 3:
[43:09] I really, really love Chicago.

Speaker 1:
[43:12] Soul Food was so true to me and my family. They ain't cutting off my leg and that's that. Like that movie, we all got Big Mama.

Speaker 4:
[43:21] I don't even remember half of the stuff that she remembers.

Speaker 1:
[43:25] Big Mama told me, we gotta get the family together. I came for Sunday dinner. Girl, that movie is my life.

Speaker 2:
[43:30] You know all this. I'm a mom.

Speaker 1:
[43:32] I'm like, family gotta be right. Let's stop with the diabetes. That movie yet again, about how Soul Food, how do we come together and not kill ourselves.

Speaker 4:
[43:42] I know.

Speaker 1:
[43:42] With the food.

Speaker 4:
[43:44] In prayer and God and having a way out and community, all of that. But I will tell you something. So you know when you shoot a scene with that many actors.

Speaker 1:
[43:54] Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4:
[43:55] Girl, I wanted to throw that chicken across the damn table. It was so long.

Speaker 1:
[44:00] Yeah. That coverage. Anytime I see a scene that has three plus.

Speaker 4:
[44:03] I'm a vegan and I also am at the end of the table. And at this point, I've gone to the bathroom.

Speaker 1:
[44:09] You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2:
[44:09] How do you get out of the scene? That's all you think of as an actor is how can I get out?

Speaker 1:
[44:13] That's what John Stamos taught me. When we were working on the TV show, he said, you just got to find your way and exit. You just walk out the scene.

Speaker 2:
[44:20] He's good at that, too. He's actually famous for that.

Speaker 1:
[44:24] He's always doing that. That's how he get that coverage down. Genius. Genius. We have to talk about another favorite of mine, The Best Man, iconic. I mean, let's just get into the slap moment, which apparently, like, so wait a minute, Taye Diggs, he said it was improvised.

Speaker 4:
[44:50] Taye Diggs is a liar, and I actually called him about this because I was like, you need to stop. This is such an old story, and you're also making me look like the villain, and I'm not the villain.

Speaker 1:
[45:00] I'm howling. Because then Malcolm D Lee said it wasn't, it was absolutely scripted. Malcolm D Lee.

Speaker 4:
[45:06] Well, thank God somebody stepped in and told the truth.

Speaker 1:
[45:11] Why does Taye do this? I feel like Taye is always messing around.

Speaker 4:
[45:14] Taye is messy.

Speaker 1:
[45:15] I love that.

Speaker 2:
[45:16] I love him, but he's messy.

Speaker 4:
[45:19] And also, you know, we're all like brother and sister on that. So like, there's a bond between us that like, I guess he feels like he can just mess with me.

Speaker 1:
[45:30] For sure.

Speaker 4:
[45:30] Publicly.

Speaker 2:
[45:31] But publicly, like, come on now.

Speaker 1:
[45:33] You guys were so cute. And then even the most recent that was on HBO, or was it HBO?

Speaker 2:
[45:37] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[45:38] It was, no, it was Showtime. No, Peacock.

Speaker 1:
[45:40] Peacock, yeah, on Peacock. I watched the whole series.

Speaker 2:
[45:42] The whole series.

Speaker 1:
[45:43] Right. It's just K-Boy at this point.

Speaker 2:
[45:45] It's just K-Boy.

Speaker 1:
[45:47] You know what I mean? We can't keep up, but Peacock, shout out to them. We love them. They did the new Best Man. I love just seeing you two together. The chemistry is just palpable. I mean, it's just so, how was it working on that film in the first time and then seeing how the franchise is so beloved even all to this time?

Speaker 4:
[46:05] Yeah. I mean, you just say, thank you, God. This is so great that we've done something that's actually touched people so deeply and I look at you with your short hair and I envy you because I'm like, should I go back?

Speaker 1:
[46:19] But it's your look. I even put freckles on because I'm literally, I wanted to talk to you as you.

Speaker 4:
[46:24] It's funny.

Speaker 2:
[46:25] Can you see my freckles today?

Speaker 1:
[46:27] I always see them.

Speaker 4:
[46:28] Maybe a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[46:28] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[46:30] I've been doing less coverage. It's so pretty. Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[46:34] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[46:34] I love freckles.

Speaker 4:
[46:35] I feel like freckles make you feel and look younger and fresh. They're so cute. Oh, God.

Speaker 2:
[46:39] So are you. They're very cute.

Speaker 1:
[46:42] I just live.

Speaker 2:
[46:44] So cute.

Speaker 4:
[46:47] Listen, we were coming off of COVID.

Speaker 1:
[46:51] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[46:53] It was my first job back.

Speaker 1:
[46:54] Right.

Speaker 4:
[46:55] I was smacked dead in the middle of menopause. I gained 30 pounds. I didn't feel beautiful. I was drinking red wine every day. I slipped in the snow and broke my arm. It was just not a good time.

Speaker 1:
[47:10] We were going through a lot. Were you in New York?

Speaker 4:
[47:13] I was living in New York.

Speaker 1:
[47:14] Because I saw you. I don't know if I saw you right at that time, but me and you saw each other right outside of the Jamaican spot. Yes, we did.

Speaker 2:
[47:20] Miss Anne's.

Speaker 1:
[47:22] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[47:23] No, Miss Lily's.

Speaker 1:
[47:23] Miss Lily's. She was right up ahead, girl.

Speaker 2:
[47:26] I said, come on in, Keke.

Speaker 1:
[47:27] I remember that anyhow.

Speaker 4:
[47:28] But yes. So it was a tough time for everyone because we all needed to work. No one had worked.

Speaker 1:
[47:35] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[47:36] And so we were getting the gang back together and people had changed and had different ideas about their characters. And I think we landed on something that felt honest enough for us as actors and entertaining enough for the audience.

Speaker 1:
[47:53] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[47:54] But honestly, I felt more adult in my skin than the characters allowed us to be.

Speaker 1:
[48:07] Interesting.

Speaker 4:
[48:08] I was like, I wanted, I don't know, I wanted Jordan to feel more settled at that point. But I also realized that she wasn't settled in the last one. So we kind of needed her to see her feel unsettled before she made real strong decisions at the end.

Speaker 2:
[48:30] So I guess it all works out.

Speaker 1:
[48:31] And I feel like she's very representative of a woman that I think that was introduced to us in that era early on, that really has cemented herself in media and just as an archetype in general. Because she was a career, she was nuanced, she had this very unique dynamic with Tay's character. And she was, I really related to her. So even at this point in her life, I really was into it and I was into the evolution of all of them because I felt that I didn't try to wrap everything up with a bow.

Speaker 4:
[49:02] Well, that's good that you say that because I've never actually sat and watched the whole series.

Speaker 1:
[49:07] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[49:09] Not because I didn't love it, because I did love it. And I love-

Speaker 1:
[49:12] That's what's weird with your own work. I don't watch a lot of-

Speaker 4:
[49:14] Yeah, sometimes I'm like, okay, that's enough. I don't need to see all of that.

Speaker 1:
[49:17] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[49:18] You know, it's like you just, you kind of, it's for the people, it's for the fans. Some things are just like, it's something that you do because you know people want it. And you know the impact that these characters had. And like, it was fun. And we are like, I think we were the first franchised film with all black people.

Speaker 1:
[49:42] When I tell you that I want it, I told Malcolm, I said, man, do The Best Man in the college years and call me up.

Speaker 2:
[49:50] Right, like the prequel.

Speaker 4:
[49:53] But there was actually a time that there was a conversation about that.

Speaker 1:
[49:56] We've got to do that.

Speaker 4:
[49:58] But I wouldn't be in it because then I'd have to be like your auntie or something and that would be weird.

Speaker 1:
[50:02] You hate that?

Speaker 4:
[50:02] I mean, you could be me.

Speaker 2:
[50:04] You could definitely be Jordan.

Speaker 1:
[50:06] I thought I said, but they better hurry up. I'm already getting older.

Speaker 4:
[50:10] Listen, because you in a minute.

Speaker 1:
[50:12] You know what I mean? Like college, okay.

Speaker 2:
[50:14] But you're not getting older, but like.

Speaker 1:
[50:16] You know, okay. It's like we're pushing it. But I really want that. I really want that prequel. I also want the prequel to Why Did I Get Married? I want it to be How Did I Get Married? Tasha Smith.

Speaker 2:
[50:29] Oh my God, you have a whole catalog. She's got a catalog. She's got her work lined up for the next 10 years.

Speaker 1:
[50:36] Well, let's talk about Don't Ever Wonder coming out on Netflix, reuniting you and my first crush ever, Laurence Kate.

Speaker 4:
[50:43] Everyone loves him. He's so fine. I don't even understand it. You don't understand how much moisturizer and I had to put on just to keep up with him. I'm like, thank you Jesus for Estee Lauder.

Speaker 1:
[50:53] Oh my gosh, girl, you have literally just become the first brand ambassador. This is huge news, but also makes total sense because your skin is annoyingly perfect. Makeup, no makeup. It's starting to get sickening. What do you do? What do you do?

Speaker 2:
[51:08] She said five things.

Speaker 4:
[51:12] Listen, first of all, I will not support anything that I don't believe in. Yeah. Advanced night repair really changed the game for me, especially in LA because it's dry here. The water is dry, the air is dry. So it's like giving your face a drink of water. The first time I tried it, I was like, oh. Then it was like, oh. Then it was like, oh, and the hand cream and the skin. There's so many products that are... I think here's what I really think. I think sometimes people don't think of Estee Lauder because it's been around so long. So we are inundated with so many new products. And so when you just pause for a minute and you think about the brands that have been dependable, that have had longevity, there it is.

Speaker 1:
[52:00] Absolutely.

Speaker 4:
[52:02] There's Estee Lauder and it's in that pretty brown bottle. It looks pretty on your, in your bathroom.

Speaker 1:
[52:06] We love aesthetically pleasing stuff too.

Speaker 2:
[52:08] Thank you, darling.

Speaker 1:
[52:10] Well, you look great and it makes total sense.

Speaker 4:
[52:12] Yeah, no, it's...

Speaker 1:
[52:13] Who doesn't want skin like Nia Long?

Speaker 4:
[52:14] It's a fun, it's a fun family and it didn't happen overnight. And that's what I love the most of that. It's a really authentic connection.

Speaker 1:
[52:21] You've had a lot of great partnerships. I remember commenting and going up for your Skims campaign. Fabulous. That was awesome.

Speaker 4:
[52:29] I didn't eat for three weeks, maybe three weeks.

Speaker 1:
[52:33] What were you, when they called you up with that, was there any apprehension? Cause you know what it is all about? Skin and being, you know, showing the, you know what I mean? What were you, were you kind of like, let's just go, you know?

Speaker 4:
[52:42] I was like, finally there's a reason to lose 50 pounds.

Speaker 1:
[52:47] You are crazy.

Speaker 4:
[52:48] Cause I was not going to play myself.

Speaker 2:
[52:50] You look so good.

Speaker 4:
[52:52] I'm really great friends with one of Kim's partners. And she called and I was just like, yes, let's do this. And I was also in a place where I was coming out of a really long relationship and I wanted to like reclaim my sexuality and my sensuality and I wanted to feel good in my skin. And we were past COVID and we were past breakup and my kids were getting older and it was like, I am woman, hear me roar in my skin.

Speaker 1:
[53:24] That's everything.

Speaker 4:
[53:26] And I just said, I'm going to do it. And it was one of the best shoots of my career. There were so many amazing women on that set. And I actually let Kim know, I said, Kim, I just have to tell you that that was one of the best shoots of my, I didn't have to readjust the lighting.

Speaker 1:
[53:45] Oh, we love a great creative team.

Speaker 4:
[53:48] Can we talk about the lighting?

Speaker 1:
[53:49] Because it can get spooky. Listen, my girl Kenya is like, she needs a bounce underneath.

Speaker 4:
[53:55] I'm glad that, okay, I don't know who that is that you just act.

Speaker 1:
[54:02] Hey Kenya, she does the glam and she be directing the people on set, they be tired of her.

Speaker 4:
[54:06] But no, this is, listen, you have to have that.

Speaker 1:
[54:09] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[54:09] Because it's just not, they don't always light for us. So you have to be able to say it and you have to just know what you need and that's it. And if you do it in a non-emotional way, it just becomes like, okay, can I have a glass of water? Can I get a light in my eyes? Can I get a bounce? Can you not light my neck?

Speaker 1:
[54:26] Girl, your neck look good. What, you putting the Estee Lauder on there too?

Speaker 4:
[54:29] Yes, neck cream. I've been using neck cream since I was 20 though.

Speaker 1:
[54:33] Girl, I hope I didn't run out of time. I gotta hurry it up. I feel like I started too late, bitch. It's so much we have to think about. The hands in that neck sneak up on us. The hands, listen to you. Because you can't really both talk to your neck, you know?

Speaker 4:
[54:48] I think you can.

Speaker 3:
[54:51] I have it, look, I have it.

Speaker 1:
[54:53] Then you like this and shit. No, no, that would be crazy, like, hey, y'all. Like what?

Speaker 4:
[54:59] I think the key is to, I'm looking at my shot, I think the key is to kind of, you know, you kind of got to be in here.

Speaker 3:
[55:06] And you just. Girl, I'm howling. And you just move your eyes, you don't really, listen, I wear a ponytail for a reason, snatch it.

Speaker 1:
[55:21] Period. But you gon eat a silk press down every time. Every time. You know what I mean, every time. Well, speaking of love, cause I love that you just brought up that whole, like, I mean, stepping back, and I'm single, you know, stepping out, how are you feeling about dating? Are you having fun?

Speaker 2:
[55:37] I know.

Speaker 4:
[55:38] It's stupid.

Speaker 3:
[55:39] I hate it.

Speaker 2:
[55:41] It's so dumb.

Speaker 1:
[55:42] I want it to be like the 90s, how y'all made it look in the movies. It ain't fun, Nia.

Speaker 4:
[55:46] I want flowers sent to my house. I need you to show consistent effort.

Speaker 1:
[55:51] Like?

Speaker 4:
[55:52] I need you to show me that I need you.

Speaker 1:
[55:56] Okay, cause that's the thing. Y'all want somebody to play dumb, but then you already dumb. Now we both dumb?

Speaker 4:
[56:01] Okay, I'm leaving. I gotta go.

Speaker 2:
[56:03] You know I'm not lying, Nia. You know I'm not lying.

Speaker 1:
[56:07] They want you to play dumb, but it's like you already are dumb. So now what do I do?

Speaker 2:
[56:11] I'm sorry, I need a moment.

Speaker 1:
[56:12] Somebody's gotta teach somebody something.

Speaker 4:
[56:14] Somebody has to be the student and someone must be the teacher.

Speaker 1:
[56:17] Girl, it's getting to the point that I was at one of these events and the guy next to me, I mean, he's talking to me about, he's just going to France and he da da da, and we're having such a great time. 69 though, and I started to think, he was 69, I thought he was asking you to do 69, I was like, what?

Speaker 2:
[56:36] On the first conversation.

Speaker 1:
[56:38] He gave me an evening to remember, I started to think, 69, 70, maybe.

Speaker 4:
[56:45] No, Baby, no, that's like a grandpa to your child.

Speaker 1:
[56:50] You're looking for, he's done it before, you can help me with Lil. Girl, because it's getting to the point where the guys that are 30s, 40s, they're not friends.

Speaker 4:
[56:59] Because I like fresh and clean and that just feels like it could just get a little musky or something. It could be a little weird.

Speaker 1:
[57:07] Yeah, I feel the same way. It's like I'm open to love, I'm open to the vibes, but the vibes aren't giving vibes. So then I just find myself having so much more fun with myself, with my girlfriend.

Speaker 4:
[57:17] Yes, this is the thing. Listen, every girl wants to feel special. But I also feel like I've experienced good love in my life and so I know when it's good and when it's just playtime. But what I do think I need to do more of is engage in playtime.

Speaker 1:
[57:36] That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4:
[57:37] Because I've always been in a relationship. I've always been like, oh, you like me, I like you. Okay, now we're a thing.

Speaker 1:
[57:44] Me too.

Speaker 4:
[57:44] And then five years later and you're like, oh, whoa. But I don't really know how to like casually date.

Speaker 1:
[57:51] I feel like guys don't want to casually date when you're not begging for more.

Speaker 4:
[57:56] Maybe that's what, because I am very aloof.

Speaker 1:
[57:59] Me too girl.

Speaker 2:
[58:00] I'm like, do your thing.

Speaker 1:
[58:01] I got to do.

Speaker 4:
[58:02] We're not chasing.

Speaker 1:
[58:03] They don't want that. To me it's like, why can't we be consistent sneak links? Why can't we just say, hey, it's Friday?

Speaker 2:
[58:09] And they talk too much. Where's the NDA?

Speaker 1:
[58:11] Where's too much? I do need that.

Speaker 4:
[58:13] We need an NDA.

Speaker 1:
[58:14] The NDA, I need stat.

Speaker 4:
[58:15] Right now.

Speaker 1:
[58:16] Because I'm looking for, are we on for Friday night again?

Speaker 4:
[58:19] Are these the right thing? Oh, wrong one.

Speaker 1:
[58:21] Are we on Friday night again? Yeah. Eat that. Eat that. Eat that maybe.

Speaker 4:
[58:24] We definitely eat. Yes. Eat it and sign.

Speaker 1:
[58:28] Because I'm done. I'm done with the-

Speaker 4:
[58:30] They're not being mature enough. Sign is crazy.

Speaker 1:
[58:32] It's so- Eat it and sign is eating it. Okay. Listen. Yeah. It's tough out here, but you know, hey, beautiful.

Speaker 4:
[58:39] I feel like the thing about dating for me is, I want to date with intention.

Speaker 1:
[58:46] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[58:46] But I also want to have fun. I just don't think I'm into it though. Here's the other thing, I don't have time.

Speaker 1:
[58:53] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[58:54] That's really the truth.

Speaker 1:
[58:55] I don't have a lot of time. To your point, I don't have time to do something that doesn't feel worth it to me. I can compartmentalize. I can do the same thing a guy can do respectfully and ethically. I can have a sneaky link vibe or not even sneaky link, but just like a guy that we know we were good friends and we enjoy each other's company every now and then, but it's nothing serious between us, and then the opportunity of possibly being something serious with someone. I'm open, but I don't feel like there's a lot of people.

Speaker 4:
[59:21] I think I need to get into that. I would too. There's a couple that I do that with that I know. You lucky.

Speaker 2:
[59:28] I think they're scared. You know they're scary.

Speaker 1:
[59:31] Because they're going to fall in love with you.

Speaker 4:
[59:32] I don't know about that.

Speaker 1:
[59:33] Yeah, baby, because once you put in them, they don't know how to control themselves.

Speaker 4:
[59:41] Back that thing up.

Speaker 1:
[59:43] Okay, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, girl, the sleepover that we're about to have.

Speaker 4:
[59:46] The outtakes of this is going to be nuts.

Speaker 1:
[59:48] The sleepover that we're about to have and get into this.

Speaker 4:
[59:50] We are having a sleepover. Next time I come, I'm wearing my pajamas.

Speaker 2:
[59:54] Yes, girl, come on, pajamas party.

Speaker 3:
[59:55] It'd be so cute. Let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[59:57] Okay, I gotta get into Michael. You are helming the matriarch of the legendary Michael Jackson family, Catherine Jackson. What was the process of getting that role like?

Speaker 4:
[60:11] Oh, I just remember my agent called and said Antoine Fuqua.

Speaker 1:
[60:17] Come on, Antoine.

Speaker 4:
[60:19] Is directing the Michael Jackson biopic and Graham King is producing. And I was like, where do I sign? I've wanted to work with Antoine for a very long time. And Graham King is a hit maker. So like, so is Antoine. Like, that's just a very powerful combination. And they said they need you to do a Zoom tomorrow morning at like it was like something crazy, like 830. And I said to my team, I said, you have to lie, because I need a minute to get my together. Because this was right off of my big breakup. And so I was still like kind of a hot mess and like figuring out my life. And I literally was like, I got to get my hair done. I got to go like I needed to pour into myself. So anyway, we do this Zoom. I do this Zoom with Graham for like an hour and a half. And I'm just telling him about, you know, my life and how I met Michael. And when I met Michael, he said, you're Nia Long. It's so nice to meet you. And I was like, you know, the only thing I ever said to Michael was, you know, my name. And like, and then I was kind of like, I couldn't talk after that. So, and my mother also worked at his label at the time. So I would see, we would like steal photos from the record label, like real ones, and take them home and they'd be like part of our collection. And then, you know, we just talked and there was just this really wonderful understanding of who Catherine was. And I asked a ton of questions and I pulled from my own experiences as being a mom and I was offered the role. And I just was like, couldn't kind of believe it. Cause it was like one of those things that just literally fell out of the sky. And that's the thing that we cannot forget. What is for you will find you.

Speaker 1:
[62:16] That goes back to what I was saying that's so awesome about you and what you represent is there's this constant sense of grace and ease and I'm still on top, you know? And I think people have to see that and know that and remember that because everybody operates in a different way. And so it's like if you like, no matter what, the cream rises to the top, no matter what.

Speaker 4:
[62:36] And how you get there is your personal journey and the way in which you get there is your personal journey. And what feels good for you is part of the thing that makes you have all of the things that you have and all of the opportunities that you have and the impact that you have on the culture.

Speaker 1:
[62:52] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[62:53] Like that's when you can identify, that's your truth, that's your superpower. I know for me, if I try to do things that don't feel authentic to who I am, I pause. I'm like, okay, you're being performative right now. Stop. You don't have to do that. You don't have to do what works for someone else. And we all get caught up in it, especially someone like me who rarely goes out. So I go out and I'm like, where's the magnesium?

Speaker 2:
[63:25] I'm having a panic attack.

Speaker 1:
[63:26] Come on magnesium, yes. Listen.

Speaker 2:
[63:30] I'm like, oh my God, there's people in the room.

Speaker 4:
[63:32] Girl.

Speaker 1:
[63:33] And it's like, let me get out your way and I'm in a car already.

Speaker 2:
[63:36] That's why you saw me in the parking lot leaving early.

Speaker 1:
[63:38] You see, I was right behind you.

Speaker 4:
[63:39] I was like, Masai, it's time to go come get mommy. And I like that about myself.

Speaker 1:
[63:46] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[63:46] I like that I know when it's time for me to leave. I like when I that I know that it's, I don't have to do what you do to get what I need.

Speaker 1:
[63:55] It's a lot of confidence, but it's important.

Speaker 4:
[63:57] It's confidence. It's also knowing my limit.

Speaker 1:
[64:00] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[64:01] It's also being aware of my own insecurities. It's also just being a grown ass woman.

Speaker 1:
[64:08] Period.

Speaker 4:
[64:08] Because it comes and when it lands, you're like, you start singing Lion King out of blue. You're like, what? Who am I?

Speaker 1:
[64:18] When do you think, I probably feel like there's been many different phases of it for you, I mean, womanhood. But when do you feel that the wave of it that you're riding on now really hit?

Speaker 4:
[64:29] Proving to myself that I can do all of it, and still feeling empowered to do more. I can be a great mom.

Speaker 3:
[64:41] I can write a book. I can do a film.

Speaker 4:
[64:45] I can produce another film. I can develop something over here. Because when I was younger and like in the thick of being a mom, I felt like those things weren't attainable, that I couldn't, oh, I'm not ready for that yet. So just knowing that it's my choice to say that I can do all of those things.

Speaker 1:
[65:11] I love that that was not something that was attached to an age or a moment. It was literally attached to capacity. Capacity, yes.

Speaker 4:
[65:20] That's the thing. It's knowing when it's your time to do certain things.

Speaker 1:
[65:24] Love that. Well, unfortunately, I kept you over time. And this has just been the best time ever with you.

Speaker 4:
[65:30] I want more money.

Speaker 1:
[65:31] Okay. Y'all heard her. She's not lying. It ain't coming out of my check.

Speaker 4:
[65:36] Amazon got plenty. I just ordered groceries and I know what I spent.

Speaker 1:
[65:40] Working with Amazon drives me crazy. I feel like I give them their money back every time.

Speaker 4:
[65:44] Do you do you get like gift cards?

Speaker 1:
[65:46] I just be shopping on here. No, they don't give me no damn gift cards. They just pay me. And then I'm finding myself on Amazon anyway. It's like, what's up?

Speaker 4:
[65:53] We got to add that to your contract next time. Girl. For your guests. I feel like your guests should get nothing.

Speaker 1:
[65:59] Girl, you got me already. I'm about to call the lawyers after this, because that's good. They should give me an allowance. But at Amazon, a shopping allowance. See, this is why she's Nia Long.

Speaker 2:
[66:11] I'm always trying to find a check. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[66:14] I always play a game with my guests before they leave.

Speaker 4:
[66:16] Let's do it.

Speaker 1:
[66:17] So I'm going to name a category and you're going to induct one film or character of yours into the Nia Long Hall of Fame. Don't overthink it. Just go with what feels right.

Speaker 4:
[66:26] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[66:27] The film that aged the best.

Speaker 4:
[66:30] Love Jones.

Speaker 1:
[66:32] The character that was the biggest stretch or most difficult to play.

Speaker 4:
[66:40] I want to say Catherine because I had such a huge responsibility to do it right. Catherine is so graceful and there's this quiet strength about her. And so a lot of times I had to go against my instincts as an actor to be true to her.

Speaker 1:
[66:59] I love that.

Speaker 4:
[67:00] Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1:
[67:01] Did you guys get a chance to meet? I know she's older.

Speaker 4:
[67:03] I didn't get a chance to meet her.

Speaker 1:
[67:05] She's in her 90s, right?

Speaker 4:
[67:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[67:07] Yeah. So she's probably. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:08] Yeah. Maybe one day.

Speaker 1:
[67:10] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:10] I just, I think of her all the time though. When things get tough, I think about her because I'm like, what would Catherine do? She would pray probably. She'd be strong in her footing and love on her children deeply.

Speaker 1:
[67:26] It's beautiful when anytime, and I feel this way about characters that have played, they leave us with something. Yes.

Speaker 4:
[67:32] You learn something that you can take with you. That's very true with this one.

Speaker 1:
[67:37] The scene you can't escape to this day.

Speaker 4:
[67:40] The slap with Taye Diggs because he just be lying.

Speaker 1:
[67:45] Taye is so funny.

Speaker 4:
[67:46] He's a liar. He lies. Don't believe anything he says about that scene.

Speaker 1:
[67:52] I feel like this must be so true to this because Gabrielle says the same thing about Taye.

Speaker 2:
[67:56] Oh, good. Where's Gabrielle?

Speaker 4:
[67:57] Get her in. Get the other Scorpio in here.

Speaker 1:
[67:59] OK. It's a Scorpio thing. The line that still follows you everywhere.

Speaker 4:
[68:05] Oh, f***ing Nia Long.

Speaker 1:
[68:06] OK.

Speaker 4:
[68:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[68:09] God, that's like the fourth F bomb.

Speaker 1:
[68:12] And what's wrong with it? I love it.

Speaker 4:
[68:14] You guys can bleep me. I think it's funny.

Speaker 1:
[68:17] The film that hits different now as A Grown Woman.

Speaker 4:
[68:23] Oh, the film that hits that hits for me. That was my like now that I'm looking back on exactly. Oh, that scene where Jordan opens the door for Tay, and she's in her purple sexy thing, and she's got short hair, and she sprays air freshener on herself and in the room. Anytime I feel like, do I still have that thing and I watch that scene, it makes me feel happy. Like, oh, she's still in me. I still feel that sexiness. I can still wear that same negligee or lingerie and feel sexy. It's just a different version, you know?

Speaker 1:
[69:14] I love that.

Speaker 4:
[69:15] Yeah, she's like my sex kitten.

Speaker 1:
[69:18] I mean, Jordan, I just loved.

Speaker 4:
[69:20] We all gotta have a sex kitten.

Speaker 1:
[69:22] The role, oh, you know what? The character you'd want your sons to see.

Speaker 4:
[69:29] Can they? Brandy from Boyz n the Hood, we recently watched. I recently watched that with Kez.

Speaker 1:
[69:35] I will never forget that scene that they redid in the Wayans movie where he doing like this.

Speaker 4:
[69:41] Or when Snoop and I reenacted it.

Speaker 1:
[69:43] This is so funny.

Speaker 4:
[69:45] It's so bad.

Speaker 1:
[69:46] That is so, and it's dramatic, right? So it's like, oh my gosh, it's so sad. And she's like holding me and it's like, and you're so tiny too, and cute, you know? But I just loved that. It's just so funny. Okay. The role that shifted how Hollywood saw you.

Speaker 4:
[70:05] I don't know. Have I played her yet? Ooh. I think there's different phases to one's career, right? Like, Boyz n the Hood was one thing, then it was Brandi as a woman, then it was, you know, Nina as a lover. And now there's Catherine Jackson. So we'll see.

Speaker 1:
[70:26] I'm very excited about this.

Speaker 4:
[70:28] Yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1:
[70:30] Last two. The film you turn into a series today. I would like Love Jones' series.

Speaker 4:
[70:38] Well, I think The Hang Suite, aka Don't Ever Wonder. We've had many different titles. Right now it's called Don't Ever Wonder. And the joke on set was, Don't Ever Wonder. That was like, we would just run around set saying that.

Speaker 1:
[70:54] And this is the new one coming out with you and Lorenz.

Speaker 4:
[70:56] And I think it would actually make a great-

Speaker 1:
[70:58] Shout out to Macro.

Speaker 4:
[70:59] Yeah, and James Lopez.

Speaker 1:
[71:01] James Lopez.

Speaker 4:
[71:02] And Charles King.

Speaker 1:
[71:02] Charles King. Shout out to them all the time. Yeah. So, okay, don't ever wonder. I'm very excited about this. I will say, I do have a pitch for Love Jones, guys. Love Jones, but you do it like every episode is a new couple of lone Jones. Like an anthology of romance.

Speaker 4:
[71:19] She's hijacking all of my movies, guys.

Speaker 1:
[71:23] It's true because she has an archive. Do you know how long it takes to build that? Okay, last one.

Speaker 4:
[71:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[71:30] And you kind of mentioned it a little bit, but the story that you'd want to tell that you haven't told yet, is there something that speaks to you?

Speaker 4:
[71:36] Yeah, there's a story about a woman and a son that I want to tell.

Speaker 1:
[71:42] That you know what it is or just something about that?

Speaker 4:
[71:45] Well, I think that the intimacy between a mother and a son is something that you can't always describe. And I have two sons and I have very different relationships with both of them, but they're both so necessary for my soul. Right? And so I think it doesn't have to be tragic.

Speaker 1:
[72:08] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[72:08] I think it needs to be real. And it needs to be contemporary.

Speaker 1:
[72:16] Yes. I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.

Speaker 4:
[72:19] I'm just tired of seeing us in these dark, dark, dark, dark places. It's not necessary because we are everything and we are all the things. And we get to, we should be able to play every, we should be able to explore the pieces within us in these women that we're playing. And I think I have a responsibility to myself to be a part of that.

Speaker 2:
[72:38] So I'm just trying to figure it all out. I'm still growing. I'm still learning.

Speaker 4:
[72:41] I'm still making mistakes. And that means I'm alive. And that's great.

Speaker 1:
[72:46] Yep. I mean, I'm right there with you. And I'm so happy that you came on the podcast.

Speaker 4:
[72:51] This is like my first podcast.

Speaker 1:
[72:53] Oh my gosh. Really?

Speaker 4:
[72:54] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[72:55] Period. Baby, this is Keke Palmer. Baby, this is Nia Long.

Speaker 4:
[73:01] Yay.

Speaker 1:
[73:05] There's a reason Nia Long has such an impact on the culture. Okay. The takeaways from her life on screen and behind the scenes are a master class in how to not only survive, but thrive in an industry that didn't come with a playbook. In her next chapter, stepping into the role of Catherine Jackson and Michael, is a reminder that what's meant for you will always find you. Nia consistently raises the bar and it's proof that time does not define you. You define it. Thank you for watching and you know we'll see you next time on Baby, This is Keke Palmer.