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Speaker 1:
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Speaker 2:
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Speaker 3:
[02:24] I love that third deck up there, it's great.

Speaker 2:
[02:28] First off, he's the curator of the White Girl Hall of Fame. He's currently hosting a record 17 different Ringer podcasts. The next mayor of Los Angeles, Van Lathan. You know her as the Mother of Dragons. She's a woman who really likes hands and fingers. She's almost definitely gonna violate a public obscenity law tonight. Mallory Rubin! He's the five-time Rewatchables MVP. He's the man who turned March into CR month. He's the author of three books about medals. CR himself, Chris Ryan. And over on the side, for the first time ever joining us for a live show, our producer, the guy who's taken over this podcast after I'm found naked and dead like Johnny Boz, Craig Horlbeck. All right, do you like that, CR?

Speaker 4:
[03:51] I do, I like the idea also that you're not killed by a beautiful blonde, but by a Lakers fan.

Speaker 2:
[03:57] Thank you. Let's talk most San Francisco movies ever.

Speaker 4:
[04:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[04:01] Wow. CR, we talked about this earlier. I think the necessities are hills, water, shots of the bridge, and nice real estate. Anything else? What do you got?

Speaker 4:
[04:15] I just think that the sky, the light, the fog, there's like an atmospheric element that San Francisco movies tend to bring into play. I mean, you've got some real, we were talking about how hard it is to move anything off of Mount Rushmore for these.

Speaker 2:
[04:28] Yeah, so we got, we were thinking like movies that actually use the city. And it's really cool doing this, you know, in San Francisco, obviously. Movies that make you feel like you're in San Francisco. My four are Basic Instinct, Vertigo, Bullet, Cause of the Car Chase, and then 48 Hours, my favorite movie ever. Van, what else would you put in there? Because I could offer you Mrs. Doubtfire. I could offer you The Rock, Pacific Heights, The Game, anything else?

Speaker 5:
[04:55] What about like Dirty Harry, right?

Speaker 2:
[04:57] I could offer you Dirty Harry.

Speaker 5:
[04:58] Dirty Harry was here. Yeah, man. As a matter of fact, I just want to let you guys know, they're lying about your city. When I came out here, I expected to see Batman patrolling the streets like... It's fucking gorgeous.

Speaker 6:
[05:14] Yeah, honestly, San Francisco's back.

Speaker 2:
[05:18] We walked from our hotel to the Giants game last night. San Francisco's in great shape. I don't... I'm not listening to the buzz anymore.

Speaker 4:
[05:26] And the Phillies lost.

Speaker 2:
[05:27] Mallory.

Speaker 6:
[05:28] Tough to stay on.

Speaker 7:
[05:31] See you guys in the run in October or not. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[05:34] What else do you have for San Francisco?

Speaker 8:
[05:35] Naturally, you're missing a little bit of a genre presence. No Ant-Man, you know? You didn't have the MCU on your list. Planet of the Apes. No? Star Trek?

Speaker 2:
[05:45] Star Trek is a good one. Yeah. That's good. What's your favorite?

Speaker 8:
[05:50] I have a similar Mount Rush more to you, I think. I'd say it's probably Bullet, Zodiac, this movie, Basic Instinct, and Mrs. Doubtfire for me.

Speaker 2:
[06:00] Craig, you're the only one that grew up here.

Speaker 7:
[06:03] I grew up in the East Bay, but yes.

Speaker 2:
[06:09] So what's the most San Francisco movie ever?

Speaker 7:
[06:12] For me growing up, Mrs. Doubtfire for sure. Okay.

Speaker 2:
[06:15] All right. Well, we have a more important Mount Rushmore, the erotic thriller Mount Rushmore. Oh yeah. Which the unassailable choices are body heat, fatal attraction, Basic Instinct and unfaithful. Unfortunately, we have the Mother of Dragons here to weigh in. Is that the right four? Is there anyone else you would put in? Nine and a half weeks? What else?

Speaker 8:
[06:35] Well, we've done three of those four together.

Speaker 2:
[06:37] We sure have.

Speaker 8:
[06:37] For Rewatchables and now we're doing this one together for the second time. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[06:42] That's right. A rematch.

Speaker 8:
[06:43] That's nice. Yeah. That's how three of the five of us got through the first month of COVID. Was learning how to podcast remotely, talking about this movie. Very normal podcast experience.

Speaker 2:
[06:53] It was on Zoom three weeks after COVID started. I honestly don't even remember one aspect of what happened.

Speaker 8:
[06:57] I remember that Chris kept saying, I'll do that if I ever see you guys again in person. Yeah. Right. He was using the pandemic as a shield to make all of these declarations about how he'd start wearing deep V-neck sweaters.

Speaker 4:
[07:11] With no t-shirt underneath.

Speaker 8:
[07:12] He was doing cocaine in the bathroom stall at the nightclub.

Speaker 2:
[07:16] So, Van, this movie...

Speaker 4:
[07:18] Show me the nightclub. You know, at the Knights Young.

Speaker 2:
[07:22] This movie jumpstarts the erotic thriller Skinimax era.

Speaker 5:
[07:26] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[07:27] Which I guess technically starts with Night Eyes in 1990 with Andrew Stevens. I know you own it on 4K Blu-ray.

Speaker 5:
[07:33] Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2:
[07:35] Silk stockings on CBS.

Speaker 3:
[07:36] No nudity, but very important.

Speaker 5:
[07:38] We got more of this, yes.

Speaker 2:
[07:39] Basic Instinct, we have Shane and Tweed and Shane and Worry are about to come into our lives.

Speaker 5:
[07:43] All of them.

Speaker 2:
[07:44] What else do you remember from this era?

Speaker 5:
[07:45] I remember like staying up late, making sure that my parents were asleep. I was by myself, having a great time. Emmanuel, all the different Emanuels. I have a list later.

Speaker 6:
[07:55] Yeah, I know.

Speaker 5:
[07:56] I'm not by myself. But, you know, Red Shoe Diaries, you fucking freak you.

Speaker 6:
[08:02] Red Shoe. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[08:04] All of that stuff. Because what happened was, this is prestige freak shit, Basic Instinct. That's not, I could get to that, right? That was in the movie theater. But then the freak shit that came on later on, you know, that was the stuff that was accessible to me. That's what really made me a man.

Speaker 2:
[08:21] Ciara and I have had very different experiences with this movie, because I saw this movie in college by myself, in Worcester, Massachusetts, during the day.

Speaker 5:
[08:30] Wait a second.

Speaker 6:
[08:31] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[08:32] Don't let that slide.

Speaker 8:
[08:33] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[08:34] I saw this movie in college by myself.

Speaker 8:
[08:37] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[08:37] Yeah. Every... I had some time after class.

Speaker 5:
[08:40] Every story he tells from him in college, all right, it was me, House and Joe King, we were all hanging out. But he made them motherfuckers leave.

Speaker 6:
[08:48] It was a solo.

Speaker 8:
[08:50] How many empty seats between you and the next guy who was also jerking off throughout the entire movie?

Speaker 6:
[08:57] Extra butter.

Speaker 2:
[08:58] I don't remember a lot other than that. There were no couples. And I'm going to say between 16 and 18 guys soloing in different spots of the theater.

Speaker 8:
[09:09] There you go.

Speaker 2:
[09:10] And it just the feedback or the stuff that was coming out about this movie. First of all, we knew like the nude scenes were off the chain. We knew Sharon Stone was the lady from Total Recall and some action Jackson movies we liked. And then there was supposedly this female frontal thing that you didn't know what it was. So it was a little like the shark in Jaws waiting to see what was going to happen. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[09:36] But if you didn't know you were going to get a shark in Jaws.

Speaker 6:
[09:39] It was just a rumor.

Speaker 2:
[09:42] And honestly, CR, this movie went way further than I was prepared. But you saw it younger than me because you're younger than me.

Speaker 4:
[09:49] Yeah. We were like Dan Orlovsky breaking down tape with this. Once this hit the video stores, there was a lot of missing copies of this and there was a lot of probably like manipulating the tracking on your VHS machine. So this is a hall of fame rental.

Speaker 2:
[10:06] How did this help you through puberty?

Speaker 4:
[10:09] I was thinking about this. Sharon Stone, 86 through 92 is like her and Kathy Ireland are the bird of magic of my sexual awakening.

Speaker 2:
[10:22] Who would you throw in, Van?

Speaker 5:
[10:23] I got a list. All right. So at the bottom of the list, all the ladies from the various Emanuel movies, Emanuel, Queen of the Desert, Emanuel in Space, Black Emanuel, Emanuel in Bangkok. They had Emanuel for every fucking flavor that you needed. All right. Number four, Sharon Stone and Basic Instinct. Number three, Robin Givens in A Rage in Harlem. Number two, Janet Jackson in the Pleasure Pinchable video.

Speaker 9:
[10:49] Come on, man.

Speaker 5:
[10:50] Number one, Pam Grier, Foxy Brown. My mom, that's what I'm talking about. My mom actually made me get into Pam Grier and Foxy Brown. My mother suggested I watch that. You know why? Because of Basic Instinct. My mom thought that she was going to lose me to the white women. And she was like, so she's like, thought she was raising a Cupid Vinny Jr. And she goes, you ever seen Foxy Brown? Because she knew those could be back to the black side of the situation. Shout out to mama.

Speaker 2:
[11:20] Mission accomplished. Well, we have a Rewatchables word named after a character in this movie, the Catherine Tramell. Would you throw your life away for this obvious stay away word? CR, if someone said to you, I'm writing a book about a podcast who falls in love with the wrong woman and it was Sharon Stone in this movie, are you just like, I'm going to be dead in four weeks?

Speaker 4:
[11:42] I mean, it's less than four weeks. I think that this movie actually has multiple candidates for this, though. Like watching it this time around, I would toss it all away for Beth. I mean, that's yeah.

Speaker 8:
[11:52] What about Roxy?

Speaker 4:
[11:53] Beautiful lady, but also a free therapist. You know, right.

Speaker 2:
[11:57] And Roxy.

Speaker 4:
[11:57] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[11:58] And Roxy, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[12:00] It's easily Roxy, man.

Speaker 10:
[12:01] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[12:03] So I was going to talk about this later because we got to get into Sharon Stone, but Roxy just comes and goes. She's in this movie and she's the cop stripper in Days and Thunder. Never seen again. You look at her IMDB. It's like she just I don't know what happened. But if you just saw this movie, you would have thought she was going to be as big of a star as Sharon Stone or at least close. No?

Speaker 10:
[12:24] At least for me.

Speaker 8:
[12:25] If you saw this movie now, you definitely would think that's a person who's going to be responsible for generating a lot of memes.

Speaker 10:
[12:31] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[12:31] Which is powerful in its own way. But Sharon Stone, you watch this movie and you're like, this is the most powerful force of nature, like a hurricane in human form. That's not exactly what Roxy is giving. She's giving.

Speaker 2:
[12:43] Roxy provoked different emotions.

Speaker 5:
[12:46] You know, I never went for the Sharon Stone types.

Speaker 4:
[12:51] Do you mean the Catherine Tramell types or just Sharon Stone?

Speaker 5:
[12:54] No. What I mean is that like, you go to the club with your boys.

Speaker 2:
[12:58] I'm going to buckle up.

Speaker 5:
[12:59] And everyone goes, yo, we got to have this girl. I would always look at her friend. I'd be like, her friend is the one that's not getting any attention. She's looking at her friend on the dance floor, she's pissed off. She's like, look at all them motherfuckers looking at her. I wish I was her. And then I come over and I validate her. I go, girl, you are her. That's Roxy.

Speaker 4:
[13:23] Somebody just needed to validate her.

Speaker 2:
[13:30] A quote in this movie about the Sharon Stone character, Mallory. I love it. She's got a hundred million bucks. She fucks fighters and rock and roll stars, and she's got a degree in screwing with people's heads. And that's not the craziest thing said about her during this movie.

Speaker 8:
[13:43] No, or the craziest thing that she says. I mean, the quotes in this movie are astonishing. One of the wonderful colleagues, Elizabeth, live events head, rock star, our own rock star, hasn't seen this movie. We were backstage with her, and I was thinking, wouldn't it be fun if we did like a, is this a real quote from this movie? Game with her, right? Because like, you could break out, have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick? It's nice. And then you could break out, there's cum. All over the sheets, right? And you would get like 45 lines deep.

Speaker 4:
[14:15] No, that's not how he says it.

Speaker 5:
[14:18] All over.

Speaker 11:
[14:20] There's no way before he got off.

Speaker 8:
[14:22] Impressive.

Speaker 2:
[14:23] That would have been a fun game show.

Speaker 8:
[14:25] We could have gone 150 lines deep before we even had to put the first fake quote in there. It's amazing.

Speaker 2:
[14:30] Elizabeth does the live shows for us, and she always watches the movie and the flight to the location.

Speaker 10:
[14:35] And we were like, no, no.

Speaker 8:
[14:39] You need a privacy screen for that one.

Speaker 2:
[14:41] Please don't. What actress now, Van, would be the Sharon Stone that you would cast in this movie?

Speaker 5:
[14:48] Interesting question.

Speaker 2:
[14:49] Because this does feel generational, right? It does. You go through, because there was a Kathleen Turner face where she would have been in it.

Speaker 5:
[14:57] So this movie came out at a different time. We have penises now. This movie came out when we had dicks.

Speaker 2:
[15:05] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[15:07] Completely different. We didn't have to pretend like it was something nice about what was happening. It was aggressive. It was primal. Now, I'm trying to think who could bring that energy, who could do that and not give a fuck, not care. Maybe like Margaret Qualley, maybe she's a little bit like that. I don't know. It's different now because if you make the movie now, everyone's going to be so self-aware of everything that's happening. This movie careens through its plot with reckless abandon, and it doesn't really care what anyone thinks about it. It will be difficult to cast somebody in that role and have them just be completely free.

Speaker 8:
[15:40] I know we always end up picking the same person, but is it not Sydney Sweeney? Is it not?

Speaker 2:
[15:48] I mean, obviously she could pull it off. I think, so...

Speaker 6:
[15:54] Wow, it's got to be Sydney Sweeney.

Speaker 2:
[15:57] Here's the difference though with Sharon Stone and why this movie was so important to her. She popped in stuff, but we didn't really have a history with her.

Speaker 4:
[16:04] She was 32. She had been in a bunch of stuff. She was in Action Jackson.

Speaker 2:
[16:08] Yeah. And I remember she was in A Reconcilable Differences, which is a great divorce movie, which is not available anywhere. But she was in that in 1982. And for 10 years was just bouncing around. What was the Alan Quartermaine one? Steven Seagal. Yeah. She was in a Seagal movie. And just Total Recall was probably the biggest movie that she was in, right? She's great in that. So this was kind of her moment. I don't know who that actress is now.

Speaker 5:
[16:33] The point is that at this juncture in her career, she was hungry enough to do a movie like this and not hold anything back. So if we talk about actresses that are in that situation now, we're going to talk about more established actresses. But this is like a controversial role. You have to really go a lot of places that could end up really being combustible for your career, like it was for Elizabeth Berkley in Showgirls, or it could make you like it did for Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct.

Speaker 2:
[16:59] So they get Michael Douglas for $14 million for this movie and then he gets kind of semi-approval for who the female star is going to be. Sharon Stone was the 13th choice. She made $500,000, which was less than $14 million.

Speaker 8:
[17:15] In part though, because of what you're just saying, like he really wanted somebody who was equally famous and renowned to kind of, they were anticipating that it would be controversial.

Speaker 2:
[17:23] He wanted Kim Basinger, right?

Speaker 8:
[17:24] Yeah, and he was like, I need somebody who's going to be able to shoulder the load of the blowback.

Speaker 4:
[17:29] And I do remember, like, you can see it now when you...

Speaker 8:
[17:32] Plenty of blowback in the movie.

Speaker 4:
[17:34] When you go on and read about, like, it's released now, she's such a wild card because she's kind of like, I have nothing to lose, so she's saying crazy shit in the interviews. And she was, you know, her vibe is not like, I'm a well-established star, I know exactly what I'm doing. She's kind of like, I'm blowing this pot stand before I get out of here.

Speaker 2:
[17:55] Well, they offered it to Michelle Pfeiffer, who said no, and thank God, because I think that might have actually killed me. If she was in this movie, I'd be dead. I don't know who's hosting this. It wouldn't be me, it would be somebody else. CR., Sharon Stone not nominated for an Oscar for this movie.

Speaker 4:
[18:13] Yeah, I'm sorry, Bill.

Speaker 2:
[18:17] I'll give you the nominees.

Speaker 4:
[18:18] Please do.

Speaker 8:
[18:18] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[18:20] Emma Thompson wins for Howard's End, Catherine Deneuve for Indochine. Is that how you say it?

Speaker 4:
[18:25] Imogene, sure.

Speaker 2:
[18:27] Mary McDonald for Passion Fish, Michelle Pfeiffer for Love Field and Susan Sarandon for Lorenzo's Oil. Interesting. I think we could have snuck Sharon in there, guys.

Speaker 10:
[18:39] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[18:40] Like who else could have done that? This movie made $356 million.

Speaker 4:
[18:44] This is a useful place to ask this. Do you take this movie seriously?

Speaker 10:
[18:54] I don't.

Speaker 2:
[18:58] I think it's a great time. My wife hates it, because I love throwing up. You've said this a million times. It's a vibes movie.

Speaker 4:
[19:05] It is a vibes movie, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[19:07] I like being in San Francisco. I like watching them smoke. I like the nightclub scene. Michael Douglas, who we're going to get to in a second, it's in the running for funniest performance of the 90s.

Speaker 8:
[19:19] It's amazing. It's historic.

Speaker 2:
[19:20] He doesn't know it's funny, but everyone else knows it's hilarious. And it's just a fun movie to hang out with.

Speaker 4:
[19:27] This run of Paul Verhoeven movies works because even Paul Verhoeven is like, we need to make this funny movie incredibly seriously.

Speaker 2:
[19:36] Right.

Speaker 4:
[19:36] Starship Troopers is kind of the same thing. I think they all know they're in this insane movie about...

Speaker 2:
[19:41] I don't think Douglas does.

Speaker 4:
[19:43] What's that?

Speaker 2:
[19:43] I don't think Michael Douglas knows that this is funny.

Speaker 4:
[19:45] I think Michael Douglas knows. I think he's like, for this to work, I have to 100% commit. But if you read that script, you're like, this is pulp bullshit and it's hilarious.

Speaker 2:
[19:55] He's 47 when he makes the movie.

Speaker 5:
[19:58] Wow, I still got time.

Speaker 3:
[20:00] Wow.

Speaker 8:
[20:02] Yeah. Good boy.

Speaker 2:
[20:07] Probably should have been a younger actor.

Speaker 3:
[20:11] Come on, man.

Speaker 12:
[20:11] No.

Speaker 5:
[20:12] What are you talking about?

Speaker 2:
[20:13] You say no on that?

Speaker 8:
[20:14] Well, first of all, I support an age difference, as you know, you know, among consenting adults. But I think there's something about Nick being in like a midlife crisis. It's actually pretty important. He's had a marriage. His wife killed herself. He has committed four shootings in five years.

Speaker 11:
[20:33] He has to have the runway to have lived that much longer.

Speaker 5:
[20:37] You can't have like a 25-year-old whippersnapper on the force. You need somebody with some red-near ledger.

Speaker 4:
[20:43] Here's the thing. He is one of the biggest movie stars who throughout his career routinely takes a chance with the way the audience sees him and is like, I don't mind playing the hero who's a piece of shit. No, he's the main star of Wall Street. He does these things where he's like, I'll push my boat out and make sure we people have a really provocative experience.

Speaker 8:
[21:05] When you say like how the audience sees him, do you mean specifically him walking toward a bathroom mirror with his sturdum swinging under his ass?

Speaker 5:
[21:15] Consider the time, right? So you're in a Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, which we're going to talk a little bit about that later, time where all of those guys are competing to be the all-American movie star, and really his lane is being the freak.

Speaker 6:
[21:32] He's a freaking freak.

Speaker 5:
[21:33] A yuppie freak. He's a freak in this closure. He's a freak in this. He's a freaking freak in Fatal Attraction. His mother is a freak. And no one else really wants to do it. He'll do it. He's great at it. And he kind of makes his career, at least the second half of it, on that.

Speaker 2:
[21:47] He's been in a lot of Rewatchables movies. He's not anyone's favorite actor, but he's been in a ton of everybody's favorite movies.

Speaker 4:
[21:54] It would be weird to be a Michael Douglas super fan.

Speaker 6:
[21:57] Yeah, it's like, this is my guy.

Speaker 2:
[22:00] Me and Mike, but I mean-

Speaker 4:
[22:01] My type, mikeydougfan.com.

Speaker 2:
[22:05] From 84 on, he rips off. From It's in the Stone, Jewel of the Nile, Chorus Line, Fatal Attraction, Wall Street, Wins the Oscar, Black Rain, War of the Roses, Basic Instinct, Falling Down, Disclosure, American President, Ghost in the Darkness, The Game, Perfect Murder, Wonder Boys, Traffic.

Speaker 6:
[22:21] You're crazy.

Speaker 5:
[22:24] That's amazing work. And very work.

Speaker 2:
[22:26] And very work.

Speaker 4:
[22:27] American President is the weird movie in that group. I keep waiting for the American President to be jerking off under the Resolute Desk, but he's like, no, I'm just a really good guy.

Speaker 2:
[22:38] It's in the extended Blu-ray.

Speaker 8:
[22:40] Yeah, director's cut.

Speaker 2:
[22:41] Craig, you're younger than us. What's your relationship with Michael Douglas? Just wandering into this after the fact.

Speaker 7:
[22:47] I don't even think I have one. I don't know what to go to Michael Douglas role. I asked my wife Liz, I'm like, what's your opinion on Michael Douglas? Did you ever think he was hot? And she's like, honestly, no, he's just kind of a creep. But was Michael Douglas ever like a top three love interest in Hollywood?

Speaker 5:
[23:03] Man, let me tell you something.

Speaker 7:
[23:05] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[23:05] My mom, I was about to say, my mom used to look at Baila Traction and be like, mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. I see what she was going on about, look at that.

Speaker 4:
[23:14] Could you say he's Harrison Ford, dark side Harrison Ford?

Speaker 7:
[23:17] No way.

Speaker 8:
[23:17] No, because Harrison Ford is god tier. You can't say anyone is any version of Harrison Ford.

Speaker 11:
[23:21] I asked the wrong person.

Speaker 10:
[23:22] Get the fuck out of here. What are you thinking?

Speaker 8:
[23:24] What's wrong with you? But Harrison Ford, Costner, Douglas, Gere, those were the men who my mom was obsessed with and loved. And Michael Douglas was the one who didn't quite catch for me in terms of being sexually obsessed with him. Though I will tell you guys that when I booted up this movie to prepare, to rewatch it, to prepare for this live show, you know, there's a pretty famous moment in this movie that I think a lot of people pause on, right? You might, well, it'll come up tonight, I think. I had paused at a different moment. I booted up the director's cut and it was at one hour, 11 minutes and 43 seconds, which is the sidecock shot during the fuck of the century scene. So I guess that was where I had just checked in, booted it up at some point, taken a look, paused it, left, and there it was waiting for me.

Speaker 4:
[24:14] Do you think that was in between the two rewatchables?

Speaker 8:
[24:16] I was watching it with my husband and he was like, that seems right. Probably, yeah, I mean it was six years ago, the last rewatchables. I've definitely looked at that since, no question.

Speaker 2:
[24:34] I thought we were going to do Sidecocks later.

Speaker 8:
[24:36] Well, we can go back to them. Don't worry.

Speaker 2:
[24:40] One thing about Douglas, because he was also a producer, really good timing on when to jump in on a movie that's kind of paralleling whatever's happening in real life. Like even you go back to China Syndrome, which he's in, which was like right when everyone's afraid of nuclear war in the late 70s. Wall Street is the greed is good. Basic Instinct, Big Fear of AIDS, early 90s, and in the research one of the things he really wanted to do with this movie was push the envelope sexually the other way in movies. And then Disclosure was another one with Workplace, Brass Movie. He just over and over again had really good taste, I'd say.

Speaker 4:
[25:17] That's one way of putting it.

Speaker 2:
[25:18] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[25:19] A-framing.

Speaker 2:
[25:22] Mallory, what was the documentary you saw with the storyboarding?

Speaker 8:
[25:26] Oh, yeah. There's a bonus featurette called, I believe, Blonde Poison. Yeah. Blonde Poison, The Making of Basic Instinct, which is about 30-ish minutes. A good chunk of it at the end is about actually the protests of the film by LGBT groups. And I would say the first 15 to 18 minutes before that are largely Paul Verhoeven.

Speaker 2:
[25:52] The director.

Speaker 8:
[25:53] The director talking about how he just insisted very clearly that everybody understood that they had to be naked in the movie and that they had to follow the exact game plan for the sex scenes because he had diagrammed them very precisely and then intercut with his commentary.

Speaker 2:
[26:09] I'm going to hold up one for you guys.

Speaker 6:
[26:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:14] Paul Verhoeven's work right there.

Speaker 8:
[26:16] Pretty special. Pretty special.

Speaker 2:
[26:19] So he storyboarded the entire thing. They spent five days filming Fuck of the Century.

Speaker 8:
[26:24] Five. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:24] Because he was so concerned that they were going to make him cut stuff and make it an X rating or whatever. He wanted to be covered in every way, shape or form.

Speaker 8:
[26:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[26:33] And they filmed for five days, ten hours a day, a 90 second sex scene.

Speaker 8:
[26:40] If you're watching the director's cut, it's a little longer.

Speaker 4:
[26:42] Yeah. And also Michael Douglas and Sharon Stone apparently were not like super close during the making of this, which makes it all the more interesting.

Speaker 8:
[26:49] Close in what way?

Speaker 4:
[26:50] Well, I mean, I think that there wasn't a lot of coffee corner, like just chit chat about like-

Speaker 5:
[26:55] He didn't want her to be in a movie.

Speaker 4:
[26:56] What's that?

Speaker 2:
[26:57] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[26:58] Like they had gone through a bunch of people and he was concerned because he's making this movie where he's got to play a killer, coca-dicted cop and he wanted an A-list actress to share that burden with him and get it over the finish line and all of them looked at the script and was like, you fucking crazy? I'm not doing this. And so then like they got Sharon Stone, but he was a little bit trepidatious about it.

Speaker 2:
[27:21] Van, I hesitate to ask you this. If you were filming with Sharon Stone for five straight days, for 10 hours a day, just with small genital pads on, how would that go by like Wednesday?

Speaker 5:
[27:37] Well, see, I always wondered this because like.

Speaker 8:
[27:40] First of all, you have to respond and say the genital pad wouldn't be small. He set you up there. You have to come in and say that. But they were also not wearing genital pads. They are famously completely naked filming these.

Speaker 5:
[27:51] Oh, so they're naked filming them.

Speaker 2:
[27:52] I thought they did have.

Speaker 8:
[27:54] No.

Speaker 4:
[27:54] Also, to Mal's point.

Speaker 8:
[27:57] Watch this feature. Here's a quote. From the director of this movie. I wanted to really see oral sex. I wanted to see how he sucks her tits. I wanted to see all that.

Speaker 3:
[28:12] Thank you, everybody.

Speaker 11:
[28:13] Good night.

Speaker 3:
[28:17] I don't know how they do it.

Speaker 2:
[28:18] I guess that's why they act for a living.

Speaker 4:
[28:21] None of us have seen this behind the scenes, and I'm not entirely sure she's not making this up.

Speaker 3:
[28:26] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[28:27] Because I looked for it online, and I was like, huh, Blot Poison, I can't find this.

Speaker 8:
[28:31] I'll send it to you. Just like I sent you those storyboard pictures.

Speaker 4:
[28:36] The weird thing is also there's stories that the actor sold that Verhoeven was like, he would be like, okay, here's what we're going to do, here's the blocking, and then they would show up day of, and he would be like, psych here are all my new storyboards, and he would be like calling Hot Routes on Jeanne Tripplehorn. I don't know, I tend to believe her, but yeah.

Speaker 2:
[28:56] Verhoeven, Robocop, Total Recall, Basic Instinct, Starship Troopers.

Speaker 3:
[29:01] Just four of the many.

Speaker 2:
[29:03] Just a pervy Dutch guy. I think it would be the best way to describe him. Love pushing the envelope. Love to put stuff in there, kind of making fun of Americans, and we didn't realize it as we loved the movies, and didn't realize he was flipping it on us. What's his apex mountain for movies, CR?

Speaker 4:
[29:21] I think in retrospect, it's Starship Troopers.

Speaker 8:
[29:23] Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 4:
[29:24] In some ways.

Speaker 5:
[29:24] Really?

Speaker 4:
[29:25] I think that has like a better reputation than Basic Instinct.

Speaker 2:
[29:28] Interesting. What do you think, Ben?

Speaker 5:
[29:29] I think it's easily Basic Instinct. I think it's not even close. I think Starship Troopers has this ability to elevate, I guess, what people would consider to be like trash or really accessible kind of stories. But Basic Instinct was a cultural phenomenon. It was a movie that like legitimately, my mom and them went to see it and they came back and I was like, girl, was it just stabbing with that ice pick? What's going on? It was a movie that you absolutely had to talk about. And really, as much as Fatal Attraction got this genre started in a management way, this kind of solidified the genre as a money maker and as something that could be star making for Sharon Stone. You would approach these movies differently after Basic Instinct because you know that doing one and taking the risk and taking the chances in putting yourself out there on film like that could end up in making you a star, which is what this movie did for Sharon Stone. So she did all of this stuff and then it paid off. So I think this is probably his magnum opus in my opinion.

Speaker 2:
[30:33] I also think it's fair to say that there weren't really characters like this until this movie. Like these kind of powerful female in control of the relationship like this.

Speaker 5:
[30:45] Look at Susan B. Anthony over here.

Speaker 2:
[30:48] This became something that a lot of movies tried to do, but I don't know who tried to do it before this movie. I can't really think of one. Can you see her?

Speaker 4:
[30:57] A femme fatale like this? No, not this explicitly and this violently.

Speaker 2:
[31:02] Because like Body Heat did it, right? That was 10 years earlier. And there's some other ones over the years, but I think this jump started. Then what was interesting about this movie is all the ripoff, terrible movies that tried to...

Speaker 10:
[31:13] Yes, some of which shared color of night.

Speaker 4:
[31:15] Some of which participated in it, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[31:16] Yeah, Sliver. I've seen them all. I know Van has them all on Blu-ray. This movie had people protesting various parts of it. They couldn't even decide what to protest. Sharon Stone hosted SNL in April of 92, and six people disrupted that, and actually disrupted the monologue, and they had to change it. But people were pretty pissed off for a variety of reasons about this movie. Joe Esterhous was the writer. Three million dollars got for the script. There was a bidding war from Carroll Co. Productions. So if anyone has ever listened to The Rewatchables, probably our favorite production company.

Speaker 4:
[31:55] More or less, yes.

Speaker 2:
[31:56] A lot of Stallone, Seagal, Arnold Schwarzenegger classics, Basic Instinct.

Speaker 4:
[31:59] Funding from...

Speaker 2:
[32:00] Craig's nodding happily over there.

Speaker 7:
[32:02] A lot of cocaine, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[32:03] Yeah. A lot of cocaine.

Speaker 4:
[32:04] Esterhous is basically in a competition with Shane Black, who we just talked about on Nice Guys. These two are basically trading back and forth the all-time richest screenplay deal for five years.

Speaker 2:
[32:16] Right. And then Esterhous gets mad because Verhoeven is putting all this extra stuff in the movie, ends up walking off the set. $49 million budget, made $353 million the fourth highest grossing movie of 1990.

Speaker 7:
[32:30] That would be $800 million today.

Speaker 4:
[32:33] This would be Project Hail Mary today.

Speaker 8:
[32:36] Amaze, amaze, amaze.

Speaker 5:
[32:39] For an aggressive, R-rated erotic theme.

Speaker 2:
[32:41] Well, so this is an interesting topic. Could this happen anymore? Do people want to be in a movie theater watching people fuck like this for $350 million?

Speaker 5:
[32:50] Like, because of Craig's generation.

Speaker 2:
[32:53] No, yeah, it's Craig's generation.

Speaker 5:
[32:55] Don't put that on me. I can't remember what movie we were doing. And this was the time, you know, after Craig said that he would shoot somebody in the heart that changed my opinion of him forever. But we were watching a movie, and Craig said, there were just titties in the movie for no reason. And I was thinking to myself, how much fucking distance is it between me and Craig? Whenever titties show up, I am happy to meet them.

Speaker 6:
[33:23] I agree. And Craig was uncomfortable with it. Thank you.

Speaker 7:
[33:28] Well, and now 200 movies later, I'm like bummed when there's no nudity in a movie.

Speaker 6:
[33:32] Come on. Zodiac.

Speaker 3:
[33:35] Come on.

Speaker 2:
[33:37] Filmscore got an Oscar nomination, Jerry Goldsmith.

Speaker 3:
[33:41] Yon DeBont, working the cameras. Yon DeBont.

Speaker 2:
[33:44] Yeah, a little Yon, a couple years for speed. Craig, 112 minutes plus 22 on the Horlbecks. Craig thinks every movie should be 90 minutes.

Speaker 7:
[33:53] 22 over par. But you can kind of skip right to the sex scenes now. It doesn't really matter how long it is. You know, everything's everything's clipified now, you know?

Speaker 2:
[34:03] Yeah, that second half of the movie probably could be tightened, I would say.

Speaker 4:
[34:07] Also, the last 25 minutes of this movie, you're like, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 5:
[34:12] It turns into a whodunit. By the way, the movie would have been longer if Shooter could last. Shooter has a premature ejaculation problem.

Speaker 4:
[34:20] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[34:22] What the is going on? Here comes nine-minute Van weighing in.

Speaker 8:
[34:25] Nine-minute Van.

Speaker 5:
[34:27] At minimum.

Speaker 3:
[34:31] Do we know he had a premature?

Speaker 2:
[34:33] Was it just edited that way?

Speaker 3:
[34:34] Thank God we have Mallory here to answer the question.

Speaker 5:
[34:35] If I was him, I would have been like, hey, yo, on God, like, for real, for real, for real, like, give me at least two extra minutes so people know how I move out here in this. You know what I'm saying? I can't have people thinking that the credits going to roll, I'm going to be popping before us. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 8:
[34:50] The Beth scene, unfortunate in many respects, including this one, very quick. But the Catherine scenes, I don't know. I think like we see her orgasm so many different times, including from the single most memorable part of the movie, which is him going down on her, maintaining eye contact the entire time and going cross-eyed. Like, he's trying to like identify a unicorn in a magic eye painting.

Speaker 7:
[35:15] I'm just like, when we do these, I never, ever, ever want to have sex again.

Speaker 4:
[35:23] Like, every time you do like a muppet version of someone going down at something, it just kills me.

Speaker 8:
[35:32] But then he's on top, the back scratch, then she's on top, right? So we're going through some pretty protracted sequences there.

Speaker 5:
[35:40] Like, he went down on her like, girl, you think I wasn't going to do this, did you?

Speaker 7:
[35:43] I know.

Speaker 8:
[35:43] He was really impressed with himself.

Speaker 6:
[35:45] Yeah, he was.

Speaker 5:
[35:47] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[35:47] And then he watched his own blow job in the mirror. Where are you guys on Bedroom Ceiling Mirrors?

Speaker 4:
[35:53] What part of the podcast is this?

Speaker 10:
[35:56] What do you think?

Speaker 5:
[35:58] I always like, see myself and like, yo, nigga, you need to work out. Like, we had gone to the islands, and my titties lay to the side.

Speaker 2:
[36:20] It was during the MTV Cribs era. It was one of those when somebody had the bedroom area. You really knew some freak shit was going down. It was always a red flag.

Speaker 8:
[36:30] Or they wanted you to think that.

Speaker 2:
[36:31] Yeah, it was one or the other. It was definitely a statement. Speaking of statements, Roger Ebert. Two stars.

Speaker 5:
[36:42] What a mess. Y'all can't boo Raj, man.

Speaker 2:
[36:47] He said, the film is like a crossword puzzle. It keeps your interest until you solve it. And then it's just a worthless scrap with the spaces filled in.

Speaker 6:
[36:57] God damn.

Speaker 2:
[36:58] I don't want to give him a fuck you, Raj, but I'm going to give him like a borderline fuck you, Raj. Just a whiff. I don't like that. Give it a two and a half, come on.

Speaker 4:
[37:09] I'm surprised he didn't give it a two and a half. Like two is like, this is a very well made movie, even if you think it's absolute garbage.

Speaker 7:
[37:15] I think he was just really upset by the ending mainly. I think he kind of liked it, but he was upset about the ice pick at the end.

Speaker 2:
[37:20] He just knocked the star off at the end.

Speaker 5:
[37:21] The reason why the review surprises me is because the movie takes itself very seriously and it's well made, well acted and well crafted. There's some really insanely well crafted scenes here. It's not throwing anything away. So you would think that he would respect the craftsmanship a little bit more than like what he did.

Speaker 8:
[37:39] It's a pretty like critically derided film.

Speaker 5:
[37:42] It is.

Speaker 8:
[37:42] I mean, a lot of the reviews are bad. It's adored by the public, right? But it's not like everybody. It's not like Rodgers on an island.

Speaker 4:
[37:50] No, it's tough. Like there's like Sharon Stone talks about like thinking like I've made like I've done it. I made double indemnity. People love this.

Speaker 8:
[37:57] Well, wait till she hears this podcast and then she's going to know that's true.

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Speaker 2:
[40:18] Well, so for The Rewatchables, if you haven't heard any of the pods we've done, we do categories to break down the movie. First category is most rewatchable scene. We'll give you some runner-up nominees. Incredible opening murder scene, right into the police showing up, and dialogue that goes, there's cum stains all over the sheets. So, let's talk about it now.

Speaker 8:
[40:57] I would love to.

Speaker 7:
[40:58] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[41:00] Johnny Baas just that night, no maid.

Speaker 8:
[41:03] No, there is a maid. This is part of what, I have to send unanswerable questions.

Speaker 4:
[41:06] She's a rather rotund maid. They even pointed out.

Speaker 8:
[41:08] Yeah, she's 54 and 240, and so they say she couldn't be the murderer, which is pretty fucked up, honestly. Not the only fucked up thing in the movie, but...

Speaker 2:
[41:15] Because they blew like this, and it looks like a Sunday.

Speaker 8:
[41:19] It looks like... Is everyone tracking Artemis right now, the NASA photos? Baas' sheets under the blacklight look like the face of the moon that NASA is currently showing us. Splattered craters everywhere.

Speaker 4:
[41:34] So he either is Mount Vesuvius one night only, or his bedroom is a no-go zone for the maid. And those sheets have not been changed in weeks.

Speaker 8:
[41:47] Yes. I think it's that.

Speaker 2:
[41:49] Do you have a theory? I bet you do. On the sheets with the no maid or just...

Speaker 4:
[41:55] Is it one night?

Speaker 5:
[41:56] Or is it a gentleman by the name of Peter North, who throughout the course of his career was able to set records? And if you guys don't know who he is, you'll be amazed. And so when I think of this movie, I think about talent, not necessarily about, like, function. So it wasn't the fact that he was doing it a lot. It was like when he was doing it, talking about fucking firehose.

Speaker 2:
[42:19] So my question is, if you're getting stabbed to death with an ice pick as you're coming, is that, like, a triple cum shot? Sorry to be crude, but that's, if the maid's not coming, that has to be the only other explanation.

Speaker 8:
[42:33] I just don't think the human body contains that much ejaculate at one period of time.

Speaker 11:
[42:39] Wait, though.

Speaker 8:
[42:40] Have Sharon Stone frosting on top of you, and you're about to be stabbed 31 times with an ice pick.

Speaker 7:
[42:45] Not to get too graphic here, but, like, is it...

Speaker 8:
[42:47] I think it's fine.

Speaker 11:
[42:48] Go ahead.

Speaker 7:
[42:48] Is it Johnny Baas inside Catherine Tramiel?

Speaker 8:
[42:51] Yes.

Speaker 7:
[42:52] Why is there semen everywhere?

Speaker 4:
[42:53] I think the idea also is they have done it multiple times that night. That this is, like, it's Johnny Baas' fuck of the century.

Speaker 8:
[43:03] That's right. Cocaine on the penis, so...

Speaker 2:
[43:06] Anyone second guessing their decision to come tonight, or...?

Speaker 10:
[43:09] I'm having a great time.

Speaker 2:
[43:11] I think you guys knew what you were coming for. The woman in the opening scene, by the way, was Sharon Stone.

Speaker 5:
[43:17] It didn't seem like it, though.

Speaker 2:
[43:18] Because they have her hair covered, but it is her and Verhoeven.

Speaker 7:
[43:21] It almost seems like she's in a wig. They put her in a blonde wig, I think, to make you think it could be Tripplehorn.

Speaker 5:
[43:25] Somebody else, yeah.

Speaker 7:
[43:26] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[43:27] There's some pretty clear indicators, but...

Speaker 2:
[43:29] Ciara, would you want to go this way? If, like, you could pick ten different ways to die, would the Johnny Baas be in the top three?

Speaker 4:
[43:36] I would be so thrilled to find out what the other ones would be.

Speaker 8:
[43:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[43:40] Okay.

Speaker 8:
[43:41] This is, like, the Tyrion Lannister, you know, how he's always saying he wants to go with a belly full of wine and some lips around his cock. Like, it's the Johnny Baas.

Speaker 2:
[43:52] Another quote from this scene, he got off before he got off. Yeah. That's where you know you're in the right hands. Next scene, the first visit to Sharon Stone's house.

Speaker 8:
[44:01] Incredible.

Speaker 2:
[44:02] Catherine Tramell. We get a great, great Bay Area drive. Amazing house.

Speaker 8:
[44:07] Gorgeous.

Speaker 2:
[44:08] Fantastic. I'm going to give this to Den of Thieves, Benihana Ward, Scene Stealing Location, CR, unless you want to jump me.

Speaker 4:
[44:14] This is the nightclub.

Speaker 2:
[44:16] Really nice. Good deck. Good deck.

Speaker 10:
[44:19] Great deck.

Speaker 4:
[44:21] Great deck.

Speaker 8:
[44:22] Great deck.

Speaker 5:
[44:22] Great deck.

Speaker 13:
[44:23] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[44:24] Insane deck.

Speaker 4:
[44:25] Great landscaping.

Speaker 13:
[44:26] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[44:27] Gurthy deck.

Speaker 11:
[44:27] Catherine comes in. It is impressive landscaping.

Speaker 2:
[44:30] Catherine Tramell comes in throwing 120 miles an hour right away. I wasn't dating him. I was fucking him. Man. What are you, a pro? I'm an amateur. I wasn't in the mood last night. Are you sorry he's dead? Yeah, I like fucking him.

Speaker 8:
[44:43] Incredible.

Speaker 2:
[44:44] She's just throwing him off left and right.

Speaker 5:
[44:47] Bill talking this way.

Speaker 2:
[44:48] Doesn't seem that upset, Mal.

Speaker 8:
[44:50] Well, she's, that's part of the appeal of Catherine as a character is she is so utterly in command and assured. And there's something disarming and terrifying about it, but also something so appealing. So like the whole movie, the thriller, the erotic thriller aspect is a cat and mouse chase where like the mouse wants to be caught so that he can fuck Catherine, right? And you have to understand that like immediately, which you do.

Speaker 2:
[45:16] Then we have another rewatchable scene. The second house visit to the car ride, which includes her changing. That's how we know she's not wearing underwear. They're in the car. I don't smoke. Yes, you do. I quit. Congratulations. All of a sudden she has cigarettes. What's your new book about a detective? He falls for the wrong women. What happens? Yes, he kills her. Douglas is like, I'm fucking in. This is, I am all the way in. Good shot of, what part of San Francisco are we in there?

Speaker 7:
[45:51] Well, they were driving up to Stinson, but the house in real life was in Carmel, but they're driving up to Stinson Beach. Which shouts out Scott and Natalia got married in Stinson Beach. They're here somewhere. There they are.

Speaker 2:
[46:01] Next scene is the police room scene. One of, I think, the most famous scenes of the 90s, and we also have Newman from Seinfeld and Eddie Harris from Major League in there.

Speaker 6:
[46:13] I'm sure they'll.

Speaker 4:
[46:13] The factoid, which I don't know if it's true, that Spielberg hired him off of this is unreal. That was Steven Spielberg's takeaway from the scene. For Jurassic Park, I got that guy.

Speaker 6:
[46:28] Right.

Speaker 2:
[46:30] What are you going to do? A recipe for smoking? Good line. Johnny liked to use his hands too much. I like hands and fingers. Another quote. Have you ever fucked on cocaine, Nick?

Speaker 8:
[46:44] It's nice. Iconic.

Speaker 4:
[46:47] It's not how she says it.

Speaker 10:
[46:50] It'd be funny if she did.

Speaker 4:
[46:51] She's like, it's nice.

Speaker 7:
[46:56] She just turns into Borat for a second.

Speaker 2:
[46:59] Borat, Basic Instinct.

Speaker 10:
[47:01] My wife.

Speaker 4:
[47:02] My wife.

Speaker 8:
[47:02] It's nice.

Speaker 7:
[47:03] He's dead.

Speaker 2:
[47:06] And then we get the leg cross, which became maybe the most famous moment of the 90s in a movie. I'm trying to think what's bigger.

Speaker 4:
[47:18] Migs from Silence of the Lambs. Is that like the 80s?

Speaker 2:
[47:22] Biggest holy shit moment?

Speaker 5:
[47:24] I was like, I remember my dad, Rest In Peace dad. Dad was like... Boy, go back a couple of seconds, nah? I honestly think, and when I watched it, I caught it. I've never looked. This is one of the most well-written scenes of the 90s. So when you think about the movie, right? The movie is about basic... The movie, you guys think I'm about to be freaky. I'm about to be like, okay, okay, let me cook for a second. The movie Basic Instinct, it's about primal urges, right? Things that you cannot control. Yeah. But the movie only works if you understand how dangerous Katherine is. Yes. And how much he can't resist her. So that scene is in conflict because that scene has to establish how dangerous she is, but it also can't betray the fact that we see how dangerous she is. All of these police officers see how dangerous she is, and he still has to be primarily drawn to her. So she has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room.

Speaker 2:
[48:35] By the way, so does the audience.

Speaker 5:
[48:37] Exactly. Right?

Speaker 2:
[48:37] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[48:38] Exactly. For us as well. She has to go there and be smarter than everybody in the room. But if she is smarter than everybody in the room, it breaks the deal with the audience because then you go, well, we know that she is the murderer. We know that she is gaming them. Why would he still want her? Then she lets that thing out. Yeah. Let me tell you something right now. To all the ladies in the audience, if you want to end the argument or the speculation, let that thing out. If you let that thing out, you win.

Speaker 6:
[49:12] All right?

Speaker 5:
[49:13] Stop playing the game. I want to play MLB. Let that thing out.

Speaker 2:
[49:17] He off the game.

Speaker 5:
[49:18] Okay? And so when that happens, that re-injects this primal urge into the scene, and it completely wipes his mind and our mind and everybody else, he got to go get that thing.

Speaker 8:
[49:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[49:33] And Newman violated some HR laws, I think.

Speaker 10:
[49:36] Newman's like...

Speaker 8:
[49:39] Well, I was going to hit this in Unanswerable Questions, but he's not in the movie after that. It's like, did seeing Catherine's vagina kill him?

Speaker 4:
[49:48] Yeah, he had a fucking heart attack.

Speaker 8:
[49:50] Did the assistant DA drop fucking dead in the bathroom stall, cranking one out 10 minutes after that? Everyone else was looking at the lie detector and is like, you can beat the machine. No, you can't beat the machine. And Newman is dropping dead after having seen Catherine flashing.

Speaker 4:
[50:06] So he's not in the director's cut.

Speaker 8:
[50:08] No. He makes an early impression and that's it. I think Van's point is really important because there are five dudes in that interrogation for no reason other than that every... They're all wrapped, right? And so the fact that the trick of that, in addition to the very obvious one, is that she is in command and they're in her power, even though she is so clearly should be the one who's like, what is happening here? Even the way that scene is lit, the way it's staged, like that doesn't look like an interrogation room at all, right? It looks like she's like on display at a gallery.

Speaker 2:
[50:41] So there was controversy about that scene that we should mention. She said it was filmed without her knowledge and it turned into what he said. She said that, I forget what year it started.

Speaker 4:
[50:52] Sharon Stone says that they asked her to take her underwear off because it was affecting the lighting.

Speaker 7:
[50:58] Which, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[51:00] And then she saw a cut and her and her lawyer, Marty Singer, were going to basically stop the movie from coming out. They were going to, and then she just, but then she was like, you know what? Like I signed up from it, that is me and she decided to do it, but not without reservations.

Speaker 2:
[51:17] And then it wasn't in the script either. And Verhoeven, pervy Dutch guy, remembered something similar happening when he was in college and decided to weave it in.

Speaker 10:
[51:28] Anyway, cool college story. Record scratch.

Speaker 2:
[51:34] Quick, quick one.

Speaker 4:
[51:36] I was in college and she took that thing out.

Speaker 8:
[51:40] And I stopped playing MLB the show.

Speaker 4:
[51:41] I stopped playing FIFA and that is the end of the argument.

Speaker 5:
[51:44] Thing out. Try it, ladies.

Speaker 2:
[51:46] Van Stan with The Dutch. The car chase is really good. Just wanted to mention that.

Speaker 5:
[51:51] Really good.

Speaker 2:
[51:51] She kind of does them in the car chase. Come on, shooter.

Speaker 5:
[51:57] She was in a Porsche or something like that.

Speaker 8:
[51:58] A Lotus.

Speaker 5:
[51:59] A Lotus.

Speaker 2:
[52:00] Nick stops by Catherine's place and she uses the ice pick and does the, how much coke should do, Nick. You're going to make a terrific character. She's making out with Roxie in front of him. That seems good.

Speaker 8:
[52:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:10] The Catherine.

Speaker 8:
[52:11] And all the papers are there, right? So he starts to realize in that sequence, like how much she knows about him, how she's studying him. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:18] And then she stops by Nick's place. She does the ice pick thing for him.

Speaker 4:
[52:22] Shooter.

Speaker 2:
[52:23] Now he's smoking cigs. You know the wheels are coming off. He's drinking. He's ordering doubles at the bar. He's smoking. And now we're going to my favorite scene. Nick goes to the nightclub. We get the song we played earlier, Blue by, what was that band? LaTour?

Speaker 5:
[52:41] LaTour.

Speaker 2:
[52:41] LaTour?

Speaker 6:
[52:42] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[52:42] LaTour.

Speaker 2:
[52:43] Nick's the oldest guy in the club by, I'm going to say 16 years. He's wearing a V-neck shirt that his aunt gave him for Christmas in 1985.

Speaker 6:
[52:53] He's like, I'll wear this.

Speaker 2:
[52:54] I haven't worn this yet. And goes into the bathroom, which is, has anyone ever been in a bathroom like this? There's 50 people in the bathroom.

Speaker 3:
[53:05] They're all doing cocaine.

Speaker 2:
[53:06] They're playing like cards. I don't know. What bathroom is this?

Speaker 8:
[53:10] Most of the characters on industry, we were talking about this last night.

Speaker 4:
[53:13] This is like a regular third episode of a season of industry.

Speaker 2:
[53:17] Van is fucking quiet right now. I'll just tell you. So, Van, you...

Speaker 5:
[53:22] What happened?

Speaker 2:
[53:23] Okay. Roxy is throwing, I think, 130 miles an hour in this scene. The catcher's mitt actually breaks. She breaks the mitt. And Douglas is, again, I'll put this against Jim Carrey in Dumb and Dumber. I'll put this against Mike Byers in So I'm Married and Axe Burger. Name a funny movie. Nothing's funnier than Douglas in this scene, trying to be sexy. I'm not too old to be here, dance guy.

Speaker 6:
[53:54] It's really special.

Speaker 4:
[53:55] The only thing that could have been funnier is if he danced. But he makes the choice to be like, what would this guy do with this club seeing all this shit? This is like every primal instinct coming out. And he's just like, I would just stand there.

Speaker 2:
[54:10] So you're watching and you're like, this has to be the unintentionally funniest thing that's going to happen with Michael Douglas in this movie. Think again. Because we go to the sex scene where he also gets up after and wins the William Peterson, honestly dude, I'm not sure we needed to see your balls work. Does it twice? Does the walk, talks to Roxy, does the let me ask you something Roxy, man to man. Then he does the pivot and does another walk. He's like, did you see my balls through a butt crack?

Speaker 10:
[54:42] Yeah, I did. Here they are again.

Speaker 8:
[54:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[54:44] He's just feeling it.

Speaker 8:
[54:45] And the side dick before that.

Speaker 2:
[54:48] So this is what happens when you've made 10 straight years of $100 million movies. You just start walking around in the bathroom. This is just the tour de force. Anything to add Mal before we move on?

Speaker 8:
[55:01] I think this is a very important scene. We've talked about the side dick, the oral sex face, watching the blowjob in the mirror. I think the fact that in terms of just actually the clues, not that you're really thinking about the clues, but it is like beat for beat parallel to what we saw in the Boz scene. So you're very titillated by what you're seeing, but you're like, is he gonna get stabbed by an ice pick? And even the folds of the bedding. Yeah, the headboard has the slats so that she can tie him up, breaks out the air maze or hermes, as it is called in this film. Astonishing stuff, scarf out and ties him up. It's just start to finish, pretty incredible. The tearing of the back flesh. I think that these are some of the most guttural orgasm sounds ever committed to the public record on film. And when I was younger watching this for the first time, I was like, it reminds me of how I think people today read like 4th Wing or Court of Thorns and Roses. And they're like, I'm taking notes. Okay, this is how you could do something to like lead to a 27-page chapter about going down on your girlfriend on a throne. Got it. Okay. Like people were watching this, studying it, trying to learn, not you.

Speaker 4:
[56:10] But in those books, it's like the girlfriend is also like a dragon fairy, right?

Speaker 8:
[56:15] Yeah, well, there are fairies in Court of Thorns and Roses. I can tell you've read them. Dragon Riders and 4th Wing. And then you watch this now as like a middle-aged person. And like the angling of the back, I'm like, is she about to like turn into Nagini? Like, I just worry about everybody's pain. I see them looking into the mirror up top. I'm like, if I had that now, I would just say like, are my hips properly aligned so that I'm not going to wake up with lower back pain? It's a very different relationship as you age.

Speaker 4:
[56:47] It's an amazing athletic performance.

Speaker 8:
[56:49] It is, it is, it is, it is.

Speaker 2:
[56:56] Yeah, I don't know what his dick looks like the next day, but it's not going straight. There's definitely a couple turns. I have two more scenes. Nick goes to see Catherine the next day, and she deflates the balloon a little bit. Yeah. Roxy didn't know what she was in for. She's seen me fuck other guys. Just like sticking it to him. I told her I thought it was the fuck of the century. I thought it was a good beginning.

Speaker 5:
[57:24] Nick came in that bitch like he was the man.

Speaker 6:
[57:26] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[57:27] I thought it was the fuck of the century.

Speaker 4:
[57:29] Is he still wearing the sweater or did he change? I can't remember if he wears the sweater.

Speaker 8:
[57:32] Yeah, he's the bomber.

Speaker 5:
[57:34] All of a sudden, he's become Danny Zuko. He went from being a regular cop to now he's the coolest in the world. She's like, yo, dog, pump the bricks. I used to fuck a boxer. You know what I mean? It's like, get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 2:
[57:50] And then just the ending with the twist where you think she's going to kill him. I think those are all the rewatchable scenes. What do you got, CR? What's your most rewatchable?

Speaker 4:
[57:59] Nightclub 100 out of 100. I mean, the sex scene's cool, but like, the nightclub has so much going on. I love that the drug dealer gets to dance with them, that he's like, yeah, you know, like, here's some coke. Can I join?

Speaker 5:
[58:11] He's like, hey, that black guy is in every 90s movie. For some reason, they got a nigga with a flat top and a vest, no shirt, who knows all the choreography to everything. Isn't that guy comes back, Glenn Plummer plays that guy in Showgirls. He comes back, he's dancing with a random white girl. He's... I'm telling you, that guy, I never saw him in Baton Rouge.

Speaker 2:
[58:41] So, we all have the nightclub scene or what do you have, Mal?

Speaker 8:
[58:43] I think it's fuck of the century. I've, across the course of my life, diagrammed that like I'm scoring a baseball game.

Speaker 4:
[58:49] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[58:50] Like, it's gotta be that.

Speaker 5:
[58:52] So, we're not gonna bring up...

Speaker 8:
[58:52] But nobody's picking the interrogation scene.

Speaker 4:
[58:53] Is yours the interrogation scene?

Speaker 8:
[58:54] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[58:55] The interrogation...

Speaker 5:
[58:56] Mine's the interrogation scene, but like also, but like the Tripplehorn scene, right? Which is obviously a very... I mean, come on, man. It's a controversial scene.

Speaker 2:
[59:06] It's problematic.

Speaker 3:
[59:07] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[59:08] It's a very problematic scene, but like he runs... That's the first time we really see them together.

Speaker 3:
[59:14] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[59:14] And it's like very... It shows that legitimately, the moment that he meets Catherine, his character changes immediately. He becomes like, once again, more primal, like more driven by whatever this thing is in his body that he can't control.

Speaker 2:
[59:28] What's the most 1992 thing about this movie? What do you have, Ciara?

Speaker 4:
[59:33] That's got Bart Simpson on the keychain.

Speaker 11:
[59:35] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[59:38] Mistaken for a gun at the end. And the kids are killed.

Speaker 11:
[59:41] For it all.

Speaker 5:
[59:43] You have one, Ben? Yeah. So in this movie, only the attractive people have sex. So there are a bunch of people in the movie, but only the people that look good having sex. If they made this movie right now, there'd be a random scene of Hoss hitting someone from the back. But in this movie, the desirable people, desirable people, they have sex, and everybody else is a bunch of fucking pastrami-eating cops that get to go, oh, you that last night shooter? But in this now, we have democratized sexing. So Hoss would have got to get down with, so Hoss and Roxy would have had their little situation if it was happening today.

Speaker 4:
[60:25] This is an amazing point because to the guys on the force, Nick is Austin Butler. They're so fucking gross. They're even happy when they're like, Nick is breaking every law, but goddamn, man.

Speaker 2:
[60:40] I have a couple of 1992 things. Quitting cocaine for three months? Yeah, yeah. Those green police computer screens really bring me back to the 90s, when you're just trying to read your... Honestly, you'd go blind if you looked at those things for too long.

Speaker 4:
[61:01] But some of the prompts they're writing in are kind of ChatGPT, where they're like, what about 1967? It's like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2:
[61:10] Calling a condom a rubber?

Speaker 6:
[61:13] Sure.

Speaker 2:
[61:14] Very 90s to me. Do we say rubber in the same way anymore?

Speaker 5:
[61:21] That's of course for you, I was 12.

Speaker 2:
[61:24] Then Sharon Stone hosted the April 1992 Saturday Night Live to promote this movie with musical guest Pearl Jam, their first SNL performance.

Speaker 6:
[61:35] Look at that.

Speaker 2:
[61:36] They look like they're like 22 years old. So there you go. What's age the best? All the San Francisco location stuff. By the way, I was warned by multiple people not to say San Fran. Apparently, it's an annoying habit. The San Francisco people don't like. So do you have a nickname for San Francisco or no?

Speaker 3:
[61:57] Frisco.

Speaker 6:
[61:59] SF?

Speaker 2:
[62:01] What do you say, Craig?

Speaker 5:
[62:03] SF, probably.

Speaker 2:
[62:08] So when someone says San Fran, you're just like, fuck this person.

Speaker 5:
[62:11] So I fucking said it. And by the way, fuck you guys. I said it and Logan's right there. I was trying to like, shout out, everybody give it up for Logan Murdoch. But like, I said it when I was trying to fucking compliment y'all. Nobody told me that shit. I didn't get the email. So Frisco, the city, all of that shit. Shout out to y'all.

Speaker 2:
[62:31] I like SF. We mentioned this earlier for What Saves the Best, one of the great cigarette smoking movies ever made, Ciara. Who would you give if we could only hand out one Sean Penn, I Brought My Own Pack Award for Excellence in Non-Screen Smoking? Would you go Stone or Douglas?

Speaker 4:
[62:48] Douglas, because you can see that the cigarette is the highway to hell for him.

Speaker 8:
[62:53] Oh, interesting.

Speaker 4:
[62:55] I feel like it's the cigarette that unlocks everything.

Speaker 2:
[62:57] I have more What Saves the Best, but what do you got, Mal?

Speaker 8:
[62:59] Well, I'm shocked you didn't say the first shot of Catherine on the deck that we spent so much time talking about.

Speaker 11:
[63:05] It's a good flick. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[63:07] It's a good flick.

Speaker 8:
[63:07] Draws your attention to the jagged rocks, the danger of the person and the setting, all of it. Let's see, the score you already mentioned is quite good. The dong, the nudity, the explicit sex, Sharon Stone. We've talked about all of it, I think. I think the way props are used, like objects, you mentioned the key ring, obviously the ice picks, the hand ties, the ceiling mirrors, the matching picassos. There are these little aspects of every setting that really become central drivers of the plot in a nice way.

Speaker 5:
[63:35] I got one. Yeah? Men fucking with women who will eventually destroy them. So, this movie should be required viewing for anyone who's thinking about dating a Kardashian. Timmy?

Speaker 9:
[63:48] Oh, sure.

Speaker 6:
[63:50] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[63:52] I know it seems good now, brother.

Speaker 8:
[63:54] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[63:55] When I was there for nine years, it's not going to work out.

Speaker 2:
[63:59] I had Johnny Baz's apartment, which has a Picasso.

Speaker 13:
[64:04] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[64:05] Yeah. And Catherine has a Picasso.

Speaker 2:
[64:06] And also no maid service.

Speaker 10:
[64:07] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:10] I really like Michael Douglas. I have down his hesitation. I can't believe this broad laugh that he does, where he's just like...

Speaker 4:
[64:20] Drinking a paper cup of water.

Speaker 10:
[64:22] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:22] It's like his little weird flirty thing. Something Nick Catherine exchanges, fuck like makes raised rugrats live happily ever after. Like there's just like good screenwriting stuff in this. And then, no, I can't believe you didn't mention this. Well, she got that Magna Cone loudy pussy on her, that don't...

Speaker 11:
[64:38] Fried up her brain.

Speaker 8:
[64:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:41] Just some of the George Dzundza. He plays Gus. Gus, like, you know he's dead the moment you see him. You're like, this guy's overweight, he's a buddy, he's gonna drink too much, he'll make it... You do the pool, if he's gonna be 18 minutes left, he'll be dead. You know what's happening. Pre-tech San Francisco. Yeah, I would also put in there.

Speaker 6:
[65:02] San Francisco!

Speaker 2:
[65:04] I used to come here a lot in the 90s because some of my best high school college friends lived here. And San Francisco was fucking awesome in the 90s. And it was a great place for young people. It was really cool. And obviously has gone through a lot of transformations over the years. But just seeing it, don't make a face, man.

Speaker 5:
[65:24] I'm saying you're buying into the propaganda. The fucking shit is beautiful. I seen that fucking building.

Speaker 8:
[65:29] Gorgeous city.

Speaker 5:
[65:32] What's that? What's that pointy building? What's it called? The Pointy Wing from Star Trek. Y'all know the name of the Pointy Wing? I seen that bitch, Trans-American, whatever the fuck. I saw that. I was like, yo, man, this shit is crazy.

Speaker 2:
[65:46] Are we done with the What's Stage the Best? Can we move on?

Speaker 4:
[65:48] I had one thing which was, it takes it, for me it took a bunch of viewings to notice this, is there is a brief moment when Douglas goes to Beth's house, he's like, come in, and she's like, oh, my lock is broken. And it's basically the only detail you get that Catherine has set Beth up this entire time and is like placing articles in her house and shit.

Speaker 8:
[66:13] Got to put that revolver behind the bookcase.

Speaker 4:
[66:15] Change her locks, maybe, but like, it's a great, otherwise the whole movie almost falls apart at the end, which it kind of doesn't.

Speaker 2:
[66:23] Did you have another great shot, Gordo, for best shot?

Speaker 4:
[66:27] There's a bunch of really cool shit in here, Yandabon's really good, but the push in on Catherine saying, I'd have to be pretty stupid to write a book about killing and then kill him the same way I described in my book. She's saying it to the audience where it's almost breaking the fourth wall.

Speaker 10:
[66:40] Right.

Speaker 2:
[66:42] We don't get to give this out a lot, the Amanda Dobbins Award for best piece of real estate. Catherine's house.

Speaker 11:
[66:48] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[66:49] So the exterior is in Stinson Beach and then the interior stuff was in Carmel by the Sea, which is not that close there. About 35 mil right now for this one. Great bay window, great deck, easy access to a completely scary beach. Just do it beautiful. You just feel like you can die as you're going on a walk? CR, you have a flex category. What do you got? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[67:11] I mean, you guys tell me, I feel like the Ed Norton reverse dunk award, did this movie need a random sports scene? There's a little bit of Niners at the end, like at the diner and stuff, but could we not get George Seifert in this movie somehow?

Speaker 6:
[67:27] Because you were still cooking back then.

Speaker 2:
[67:30] What do you mean? Like Nick goes to a Niners practice?

Speaker 3:
[67:33] It has like young Montana thoughts?

Speaker 4:
[67:35] Like Gus has lost a ton of money on the Niners or something.

Speaker 8:
[67:39] Yes.

Speaker 5:
[67:40] Or I got one. Karen used to fuck somebody on the Niners. Maybe Karen, Katherine, I'm drunk. Katherine used to, like, white woman, Karen, whatever. So she used to fuck somebody on the Niners, so they go to interview him, and it's Jerry Rice.

Speaker 4:
[67:58] And the name of her new novel is Rice.

Speaker 2:
[68:03] Mallory, you don't get a flex because you have your own award, the Mallory Rubin Award for Did This Movie Need a Better Sex Scene? Oh, shit.

Speaker 8:
[68:11] Well, like, a third of the runtime is sex scenes, basically, right? We have the opening Boz scene. We have Nick. I'll incorporate some just nudity that's very central as well. Nick watching Katherine change in the mirror for the first time. The Nick-Beth rape scene. We could make that better by not having it or not doing it that way, I'd say. Nick watching Katherine change again through the large, beautiful picture windows that you were just commenting on with the real estate, right? And reasonable to assume that she knows he's there. So put a pin in that. I'll be coming back to that in a second. We've got the fuck of the century. The fireplace chase scene. So we enter a different point of the movie now where we're like not seeing the sex.

Speaker 10:
[68:50] Right. They've worn us out.

Speaker 8:
[68:52] Make love to me and then we cut and they're cuddling in front of the fire. It's like, this is not the movie that I signed up to watch. Why am I not seeing every second of that? And it ends up being very relevant because that's when she's planting the Lisa nuggets about Beth in this vulnerable moment. Then we get Katherine at Nick's apartment, some nudity. And then again, we don't see the sex scene insane. And then we cut to them cuddling in the window nook.

Speaker 4:
[69:15] So you're taking it that this movie didn't have enough sex?

Speaker 8:
[69:17] I think that there are a couple of opportunities in the established sequence of the film to just show us all of the sex again, which I would have supported. And then, of course, the final sex scene, which once again mirrors the Boz beat's spine bending maneuvers and then the forward thrusts. And then like, OK, she didn't kill him. So here are my suggestions. Give us the full sex scenes in the ones we cut away from, the Make Love to Me, Fireplace, Chaz and the Window Nook. But I think for like the fourth or fifth Rewatchables in a row, so this is something I'm going to reflect on later, I would like to suggest that the movie include a masturbation scene, because it actually doesn't make sense that that's missing. And I think when Nick follows...

Speaker 4:
[69:58] Nick has calluses.

Speaker 8:
[69:59] Well, yeah, I'm like, how is, how does Nick's dick have skin on it if his hand has that many calluses on it? Like, use some lotion, my guy, come on. But I'm talking about Catherine, naturally. He follows her home. Someone said yes.

Speaker 5:
[70:13] Somebody said yes.

Speaker 10:
[70:14] A fellow visionary.

Speaker 11:
[70:16] A fellow visionary.

Speaker 8:
[70:18] He follows her home and she just immediately gets undressed, drapes her open, giant window. She definitely knows he's there because he is the worst tale in the history of tales.

Speaker 11:
[70:30] Yeah, he really is. He's terrible.

Speaker 8:
[70:31] At no point in the movie does he follow somebody and they don't know that he's behind them. So she knows he's there and purposefully, she gets undressed in front of the window, leaves the lights on and then as she walks away, turn the lights off, which I think is confirmation that she knows he's watching. There's a couch right there. Go for it. Right?

Speaker 2:
[70:50] So you throw out some solo action. Yes.

Speaker 7:
[70:54] Then we mix in a Newman scene as well.

Speaker 10:
[70:56] Oh, Newman solo action.

Speaker 11:
[70:58] Let's see it.

Speaker 8:
[71:00] Real toss-up. Let's either see Newman Jackoff or Catherine Masterbeat.

Speaker 11:
[71:06] I'm going way night.

Speaker 4:
[71:07] Honestly, yeah, I've never seen anything like that before.

Speaker 10:
[71:12] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[71:14] Holy mackerel. We don't get to give this award out. Craig, you were here when this award was created. The Steven Seagal Hard to Kill Award for, did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator?

Speaker 4:
[71:28] Clearly, yes. Paul Verhoeven is the intimacy coordinator.

Speaker 2:
[71:31] I'm going to say yes on this?

Speaker 7:
[71:32] Yeah, I'm going to say yeah. I'll give this a yes.

Speaker 2:
[71:34] Yeah, okay. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film.

Speaker 4:
[71:38] I got this one and it really jumped out at me. What the fuck is Hazel Dobkins doing in this movie? Oh, this is mine too. Unless you subscribe to the online theory that she is the mastermind of this entire film. Oh, what do you think of that, Van? And that's why Catherine seems so deferential towards her and she's often at the house when Nick arrives as Hazel's in the background.

Speaker 8:
[71:59] Yeah, what message boards are you on?

Speaker 4:
[72:02] R slash Basic Instinct. And no, but it's either one or the other. She's either like they kind of wrote her into the movie and kept her appearing throughout it or she is the Joker.

Speaker 2:
[72:16] What do you think of that, Van?

Speaker 5:
[72:17] What do you mean?

Speaker 2:
[72:18] Hazel Dobbins being the Joker.

Speaker 5:
[72:21] I don't know. Like, you know, I'm thinking about a lot of stuff in this movie. I'm processing as we're talking. Like when we were talking about the sex scenes and Hazel, I looked at the sex scenes, I really thought that this was the way white people had sex back in the day. Because I look at her now and all of her riding skills, they're completely obsolete now. We have new technologies. She wasn't making those circles. She was just going crazy. And then when you see showgirls, it's the same thing. When you watch Elizabeth Berkley in Showgirls, she's in the pool and she's actually like she's on a bucking bronco. I go spasming and shit like that. But anyway.

Speaker 8:
[73:06] I had Hazel questions as well because I think it's one of the more puzzling aspects of the plot. I hadn't considered, I didn't know this was a theory. I hadn't considered the Joker thing, but I think another bit of evidence to support this theory is that Hazel canonically killed her husband and three children. She is a mass murderer, a child slayer, and it is established on the aforementioned computer that she was in jail for nine years for that.

Speaker 4:
[73:31] Roxy killed her brother and is out after six.

Speaker 8:
[73:35] That's so insane. She slit their throats with a razor. She's like, I put it a couple of years. I'm good.

Speaker 2:
[73:41] I had that in Picking Nits. It seemed like I would say a short prison sentence for wiping out your family.

Speaker 6:
[73:46] It's crazy. Hold on.

Speaker 5:
[73:48] This is a too American scene. That Trax killed her whole family. She gets out nine years. I know Nick is in jail 55 years for weed.

Speaker 8:
[73:55] That's real.

Speaker 5:
[73:57] Feel guilty.

Speaker 8:
[73:58] Isn't the weak link in the movie the DNA evidence thing though? It's actually like, I agree that we just want to watch the movie and have fun, but it is actually disqualifying, borderline disqualifying. Like DNA evidence had been in practice since the 80s. This movie is set in 92. There's just absolutely no reason. Here's the thing. Every single order involves every bodily fluid that you could possibly excrete. How are they not finding the killer?

Speaker 2:
[74:23] Can I counter this?

Speaker 8:
[74:24] Please.

Speaker 2:
[74:26] Because I had this in What's the Worst, Not Weakest Link. OK. Just because 10 years later, the DNA, she's done in five minutes. But if you remember the OJ trial in 95, people still, we barely knew what DNA evidence was. People didn't even really believe it.

Speaker 5:
[74:41] Well, because he didn't do it. Anyway.

Speaker 9:
[74:43] So... So...

Speaker 5:
[74:48] But no, but the DNA is kind of...

Speaker 2:
[74:51] Is it going to the sun?

Speaker 5:
[74:53] Like the DNA is kind of rendered defunct by the fact that she admits that she had sex with the guy.

Speaker 9:
[74:58] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[74:59] So she says that she had sex with him, and she says over and over again that they had sex. So her being connected to him is not necessarily...

Speaker 2:
[75:06] But the fingerprints on the ice pack, like, there's stuff that they would...

Speaker 8:
[75:10] She's not covered in, like, blood. Her clothing doesn't have a trace of the blood.

Speaker 4:
[75:15] She's often freshly showered when he comes over.

Speaker 2:
[75:18] Yeah.

Speaker 11:
[75:18] She's...

Speaker 8:
[75:18] I don't think that's how it works.

Speaker 4:
[75:20] I'm just saying.

Speaker 8:
[75:21] If you commit a murder one day, as a friend and person who loves you, don't just shower and think you're going to get away with it.

Speaker 11:
[75:27] You need to clean up more fully.

Speaker 5:
[75:28] That's so funny, getting a call from CR like 2.30, Van.

Speaker 8:
[75:31] I took a shower.

Speaker 11:
[75:32] I'm fine.

Speaker 5:
[75:32] Come downtown, I did something I wasn't supposed to do, man.

Speaker 7:
[75:36] Bring a bar of Irish Spring.

Speaker 4:
[75:42] That should get me out of this. I would help you. So what's each the worst for me? I don't know if that...

Speaker 2:
[75:47] Wait. I got to do my week link.

Speaker 4:
[75:49] Oh, you got to do your week link. Sorry.

Speaker 2:
[75:51] By the way, Van, I think you'd be one of my three calls. I don't know where you rank.

Speaker 5:
[75:55] Hey, bro, whose car are we taking? You call me.

Speaker 9:
[76:00] I'm with you.

Speaker 2:
[76:04] So I had a less auspicious week link. So Nick, Michael Douglas' character, attacks Nielsen, the internal affairs guys, that he gave up the files, right? He's in front of like 30 cops, has to be restrained. He's like ready to fight him. Six hours later, the guy is shot in the head.

Speaker 3:
[76:23] And they're like, hey, shooter, we're gonna need your gun.

Speaker 4:
[76:26] Bill.

Speaker 2:
[76:26] He's not in jail?

Speaker 4:
[76:28] I'm so glad you brought this up.

Speaker 2:
[76:29] At that point, he's locked up, right?

Speaker 4:
[76:31] This is what I don't think you caught in that scene where he goes into Nielsen's office. When he goes into Marty's office and he starts like jumping on him, Marty's boss pulls a gun and kicks him in the back of the head.

Speaker 5:
[76:45] What the shit is happening?

Speaker 6:
[76:48] There are no rules in the SFPD.

Speaker 5:
[76:53] The SFPD is going nuts. They take the gun and put it to their head. Hey, do something to him. I'll blow your fucking head off, sure.

Speaker 7:
[76:59] That's internal affairs.

Speaker 5:
[77:01] It's insane.

Speaker 7:
[77:02] There's no fucking laws, man.

Speaker 2:
[77:05] What a movie. All right, what's age the worst? What'd you have, Cyr?

Speaker 4:
[77:09] Well, so what's age the worst is the fact that we know too much. We would be talking about DNA evidence. After David Simon, we know way too much about law enforcement storytelling. Back then, they were like, yeah, three months ago, this narc killed two tourists while he was high on coke. Now his therapist. Let's promote him to homicide detective and have him drive the suspect who the two of them have been making fuck-me eyes at each other throughout this completely inappropriate interrogation.

Speaker 11:
[77:39] Did you know each other?

Speaker 4:
[77:40] My idea is, Nick, find out where Catherine Leeds.

Speaker 11:
[77:44] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[77:45] And then he abandons his responsibilities all together. It's fucking amazing.

Speaker 11:
[77:50] Crazy.

Speaker 4:
[77:50] Watching it at the time, I was like, this is incredible. Watching it now, you're like, I think there would probably be some reviews.

Speaker 2:
[77:58] We mentioned the first sex scene is, I gotta say, problematic now, but in 1992, it wasn't not problematic. It was a big thing when it happened with him and Jeanne Tripplehorn. It's just a weird choice. I don't really get it. This episode is brought to you by LinkedIn ads. Ever invest in something that seemed incredible at first, but didn't live up to the hype? Well, marketers know the feeling. They optimize for the numbers that look great. Impressions, reach, reacts. But when they don't show revenue, well, that's not such a great conversation with the CFO. LinkedIn has a word for that. Bull spend. Instead, why not invest in what looks good to your CFO? LinkedIn ads generates the highest row as of all major ad networks. Reach the right buyers with LinkedIn ads. You can target by company, industry, job title and more. So cut the bull spend. Advertise on LinkedIn the network that works for you. Spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads. Get a $250 credit for the next one. Just go to linkedin.com/rewatchables. Terms and conditions apply. This episode is brought to you by Brooks Running. Sometimes in the film world, we see performances on screen that are so mind-blowing you think someone somewhere is bending the rules. Like when one actor plays twins or nails a really difficult accent. The glycerin flex from Brooks is that phenomenon in shoe form. It provides a flexible cushion ride that's made to move with you. With the breathable upper, your shoe feels like a distraction-free second skin. It's the ultimate blend between human movement and tech. So, if you want to experience the best parts of your performance, flex the rules in the new glycerin flex. Shop the glycerin flex at bricksrunning.com. So, this really bugs me. This is, could be a nitpick, but it's really what Sage the Worse. So, they put together that Jeanne Tripplehorn also went to college with Sharon Stone's character, and they put the photo ID. And she's got a blonde wig and the photo ID, but it's the exact same photo as her now. And it was like, this movie cost $59 million, and they were just like, hey, what are we gonna do with the photo? And they just like photoshopped. I just don't understand it. It's such an unforced error. What else did you have? Do you have any What's Sage the Worse band?

Speaker 5:
[80:13] No, it was all about the way Sharon Stone was riding dick.

Speaker 2:
[80:17] Did you have any more, Mal?

Speaker 8:
[80:18] I think that the, we've alluded to this, but like the, beyond just the general kind of shoddy work from the SFPD, the solving of the murder, they're like that jacket fit.

Speaker 5:
[80:33] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[80:34] So it was back.

Speaker 4:
[80:35] She's got a bunch of articles in her drawer.

Speaker 8:
[80:36] The jacket that says where she works on the back of it, which is definitely a choice you'd make as a murderer, fit. So it's her. I mean, that's just absolutely ludicrous.

Speaker 2:
[80:47] I had that in NIPPIX, but the same thing. They go to the best kitchen drawer, they open up, there's all this scrapbook stuff.

Speaker 8:
[80:54] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[80:54] And the guy goes, well, I guess that's it.

Speaker 11:
[80:56] Yeah, Walker's like a station tolter.

Speaker 6:
[80:58] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[81:00] Yeah. Tony, call it in. Guilty.

Speaker 8:
[81:03] Serial killers always keep a full binder of chronologically ordered incriminating evidence in their kitchen drawer. Always. Always. The speed of the elevator in that sequence is also ridiculous. And the fact that Nick has just had this very dramatic moment where he's like looking at the two covers. Oh, which will they go with? And he sees the paragraph about the detective's partner being found in the elevator. And then Gus shows up and is like, Bud, I got a call from Catherine's freshman year roommate. Let's go. And Nick's like, sounds good. That all seems credible. Let's do it. And then he's like, I'm just going to go inside a few floors up the elevator that you just read about. And Nick's like, cool. Good luck. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[81:44] He just read the page on the printer.

Speaker 8:
[81:45] And then he's killed shortly thereafter in the exact scenario that was described in the pages he just read. Nick, terrible. No one's like Beth doesn't have blood on her hands at the end.

Speaker 2:
[81:56] I had a crazy. The last 40 minutes is what's aged the worst. They kind of yada yada some of this stuff. I love this movie.

Speaker 8:
[82:05] If you stab someone with an ice pick that many times in the jugular in an elevator, you have some blood on your hands.

Speaker 11:
[82:11] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[82:12] And then I had the rip off erotic thrillers that came after this that were all pretty bad. I think the worst ones probably color night, especially because Bruce Willis pool penis on a 70 foot screen. Wasn't really looking for that in 1995. Well, I'm really excited for this next category. The Ruffalo, Hannah Rubenick, Partridge overacting word obviously goes to Michael Douglas. Who has, he does this thing where he says the line, but then yells the last two words. So it's like, who has access to my goddamn miles?

Speaker 6:
[82:49] What is this? Some kind of joke?

Speaker 3:
[82:52] This was his angry Michael Douglas.

Speaker 5:
[82:54] Stop riding me, man.

Speaker 10:
[82:55] I'll get your fucking teeth in.

Speaker 2:
[82:58] I just love it.

Speaker 10:
[82:59] All right.

Speaker 2:
[82:59] Vans Flex. So you have to do How would Van Lathan get out of this one? Which is an award we have sometimes.

Speaker 4:
[83:07] So as Beth or as Nick?

Speaker 3:
[83:09] I think you could be any of the three characters here.

Speaker 2:
[83:12] How would Van get out of this one? Pick a character and go.

Speaker 5:
[83:15] I'm getting out of what, though?

Speaker 2:
[83:17] I don't know. How would Van Lathan get out of this?

Speaker 3:
[83:18] All right.

Speaker 2:
[83:19] You're Beth. How about you're Beth?

Speaker 5:
[83:21] So I'm Beth. I'm going to be Nick, right?

Speaker 3:
[83:23] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[83:23] Be Nick.

Speaker 5:
[83:26] So I'm Nick and they're asking me why I'm hanging around Katherine. Well, the reality is this, you say I don't read enough. The woman is an author. You say I play the game too much. You say that I'm too obsessed with the dog. You say I'm on the computer too much. This woman is an author. She's written books. These books are very well regarded. What I'm trying to do is deepening my understanding of literature. Now, here's the deal. If this was a male writer, you wouldn't have any problem with it. It's a female writer. So, while you're looking at me, what I think you actually need to look at is the mirror. Because the reality is, this is a woman, so you feel threatened. I don't feel threatened around women because I empower women. I believe in female writers. I believe in female creators. And this is a female creator. I believe in her. So I'm going to keep hanging around her. You deal with your things. Talk to Dr. Crossman on Thursday.

Speaker 2:
[84:26] Nails it every time. Gaslight. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, hottest take award.

Speaker 4:
[84:36] So, I was working on something, I told you earlier, I was like, I have a hottest take, but I haven't landed the plane yet. I think the plane's still circling the airport. Is this movie a perverted man's version of Gilligan's Island where the professor is caught in between the psychosexual dealings of Ginger and Marianne? Or, the CR is pandering to the audience award for safest home field take, San Francisco is the best movie city.

Speaker 10:
[85:04] Wow.

Speaker 2:
[85:06] The suck up take, I like it. Now, do you have one?

Speaker 8:
[85:10] I think Catherine is a pretty generous murderer.

Speaker 9:
[85:16] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8:
[85:19] I mean, cocaine on the penis. Sure, you're alive to see the ice pick penetrate your nose, your neck, a couple other parts of your body, but you're shooting your load inside of her while it's happening.

Speaker 11:
[85:35] Not a bad way to go.

Speaker 2:
[85:36] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[85:37] That's fair. Thoughtful.

Speaker 4:
[85:38] She could just kill them.

Speaker 8:
[85:40] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[85:41] What do you got, Van?

Speaker 5:
[85:42] You scratched my back during the fuck section. It's over. I'm like, I know that like I've had this conversation since 99. Hey, bro, I was in that shit like crazy, dog. She was scratching my back up. I'm like, that's it. It's over. It's done. I don't even like spicy food. I don't like pain. You scratch. It's like you bite my neck too hard. Hey, yo, on God, though, I feel you. Chill. All right. She scratches his shit like Wolverine is seeing Magneto.

Speaker 8:
[86:12] Yes.

Speaker 5:
[86:13] And this is like, ah, God, whatever.

Speaker 6:
[86:16] Hey, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 5:
[86:19] It's true what they say about you. No, don't scratch my shit.

Speaker 2:
[86:24] Myna, I don't know how to prove this. I think this is the single worst cop performance ever by a cop in a movie. So we get to meet Nick. He's off cocaine for three months.

Speaker 8:
[86:36] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[86:37] Three months. It's celebration. Let's have a party. He's killed four tourists in the last five years.

Speaker 8:
[86:44] Yeah, yes.

Speaker 2:
[86:45] But each time it was undercover for drugs, so it's fine. Somehow got promoted, as CR mentioned. He's asked to trail this suspect, immediately falls in love with her and goes down this psychosexual path. Loses his mind, loses his badge, and then ends up shooting his girlfriend.

Speaker 5:
[87:06] Murders his therapist.

Speaker 2:
[87:08] After he let his girlfriend go up to reenact the page of a book that he just read.

Speaker 8:
[87:13] Crazy. Let go, get killed. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:16] Shoots his girlfriend and then somehow gets away with it and he's back on the streets. I mean, this is like the real dirty Harry. This is it.

Speaker 3:
[87:26] It was like lousy Harry.

Speaker 7:
[87:27] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:28] Terrible cop. Casting What Ifs. We mentioned Kim Basinger. Meg Ryan turned it down. Gina Davis turned it down. Ellen Barkin. I'm amazed she turned it down. Meryl Hemingway turned it down. And then it was Demi Moore versus Sharon Stone in Sharon Stone 1.

Speaker 4:
[87:47] By far the funniest casting What If is that Emma Thompson auditioned for Catherine.

Speaker 3:
[87:52] Yeah. I didn't know what to make of that.

Speaker 2:
[87:54] Did you believe that?

Speaker 4:
[87:54] She said I auditioned for Catherine.

Speaker 10:
[87:56] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[87:58] Allegedly, in one of the original scripts, Nick Curran was originally a lesbian cop written with Kathleen Turner in mind. And then they switched it. Paul Verhoeven was supposed to direct Black Rain, which will be on the Rewatchables at some point in 2026, but dropped out to do Total Recall. And then I thought this was amazing. Verhoeven wanted Tom Berenger for RoboCop and Basic Instinct. And Berenger is like, no thanks. You're a weird, pervy Dutch guy.

Speaker 3:
[88:27] I don't want to do a movie with you.

Speaker 4:
[88:28] I'll be doing Sniper instead.

Speaker 3:
[88:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[88:31] Milos Forman was the first choice to direct and do it. And then I don't know what to believe with who was considered for Nick. It was basically every white actor from 1992.

Speaker 4:
[88:40] The two other ones that were really big were Linda Fiorentino as Beth. And this is insane. But Brooke Shields as Roxy.

Speaker 2:
[88:51] Yeah. I saw that.

Speaker 3:
[88:53] You don't want to comment?

Speaker 2:
[88:56] It's just, there's no way. Yeah. She just never would have done it. Best That Guy award, Newman ineligible. Groundhog Guy, the Groundhog Day Guy, Stephen Toblowski, he's ineligible. Yeah. Dickie Greenleaf's dad, the principal headmaster from Senate of Women, James Redborne, ineligible.

Speaker 4:
[89:17] Why is he ineligible?

Speaker 2:
[89:18] Because he's James Redborne. Go ahead, Craig.

Speaker 5:
[89:21] Man, we're getting real, real, real weird with these guys.

Speaker 6:
[89:24] Even Craig knows he's James Redborne.

Speaker 7:
[89:26] The fact that you have to say the guy from Groundhog Day means he's a that guy.

Speaker 4:
[89:32] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[89:32] I think Roxy wins the That Guy award.

Speaker 4:
[89:34] No.

Speaker 2:
[89:35] Because if you see her, you think it's Roxy.

Speaker 5:
[89:38] No, it's not her.

Speaker 4:
[89:38] No, it's not that guy. You're changing the definition of that guy. That guy means you've seen them so many times and you're like, that guy, we never see Roxy again.

Speaker 3:
[89:48] It's like, it's the Roxy.

Speaker 5:
[89:49] It's the thunder.

Speaker 7:
[89:51] Who would the most amount of people in this room be like, oh, that guy, when they see him on screen?

Speaker 2:
[89:55] So probably James Redburn. That's fine.

Speaker 5:
[89:58] What about? OK, so the sheriff, OK, Jack McGee, yes, who plays the sheriff. He's also in Scrooge.

Speaker 4:
[90:07] Bruce A. Young, who is the guy who says he had a minute amount of cocaine on the penis and in the legs.

Speaker 5:
[90:14] Chelsea Ross.

Speaker 2:
[90:15] Listen, I'm a team player.

Speaker 3:
[90:17] You can give it to whoever you want.

Speaker 2:
[90:19] Can we give Roxy the Dion Waiters a word?

Speaker 11:
[90:20] Definitely.

Speaker 3:
[90:22] No question.

Speaker 2:
[90:23] So is this a Hall of Fame Dion Waiters performance?

Speaker 4:
[90:25] I've recently become really obsessed with these Instagram videos where it'll be like Cam Chancellor being like, when I was out there, I was looking to kill. And then a fucking Drake song drops. And it's just Cam Chancellor hits for like two and a half minutes. They should make one for Roxy.

Speaker 10:
[90:41] Just with her footage and Basic Instinct.

Speaker 7:
[90:45] Oh, I forgot where I was. Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[90:46] My bad.

Speaker 2:
[90:50] Re-casting Couch Director City. So Hazel Dobbins, does the character work better if it's just Jacqueline Bissett? Just throwing that out there. Wow. Dead silence from the crowd. Let's walk through Tom Cruise as Nick.

Speaker 4:
[91:03] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[91:04] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[91:05] Let's just.

Speaker 8:
[91:06] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[91:06] I don't want to get in the car with this, but let's take a stroll around the block. Little Younger, I think he brings the same amount of unintentional comedy.

Speaker 8:
[91:15] Definitely.

Speaker 2:
[91:16] There's probably a running scene at one point.

Speaker 7:
[91:18] Probably across the Golden Gate. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[91:20] Right. He's running the Golden Gate for no reason at all.

Speaker 8:
[91:23] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[91:24] He's running distance in Beach.

Speaker 6:
[91:28] We'd get to watch him smoke.

Speaker 7:
[91:30] I'll see you there. I'll run.

Speaker 2:
[91:32] We'd get to watch him smoke. Nothing would be funnier than Tom Cruise ripping off Marlboro Reds.

Speaker 3:
[91:36] That'd be great.

Speaker 2:
[91:37] Him trying to have sexual chemistry with Sharon Stone, who's like working overtime, I would love that.

Speaker 4:
[91:42] Him nude talking to Roxy in the bathroom.

Speaker 3:
[91:45] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[91:45] Nude Tom Cruise.

Speaker 4:
[91:47] Let me ask you something, Rocky.

Speaker 8:
[91:50] Man to man.

Speaker 2:
[91:51] Him in the nightclub scene, like he's definitely like, I'm dancing in the nightclub.

Speaker 5:
[91:55] He's going to fucking dance.

Speaker 3:
[91:57] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[91:57] He's not going to be able to stay away. The beat's going to fucking completely destroy him.

Speaker 2:
[92:01] Mal, I don't know if you want to imitate Tom Cruise in the cunnilingus scene.

Speaker 3:
[92:08] This has turned into ET.

Speaker 2:
[92:11] It's like ET coming out of the closet.

Speaker 3:
[92:14] I don't know.

Speaker 8:
[92:15] I can see it.

Speaker 5:
[92:16] I see what you're saying.

Speaker 8:
[92:17] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[92:18] So would you go Cruise or Douglas if you had to redo this?

Speaker 10:
[92:21] I feel like I would go Cruise.

Speaker 5:
[92:23] You got to go Douglas, man.

Speaker 2:
[92:25] What do you think, Craig?

Speaker 8:
[92:26] You got to go Douglas.

Speaker 2:
[92:28] All right.

Speaker 10:
[92:28] Fine.

Speaker 2:
[92:30] Craig, you have a flex category.

Speaker 7:
[92:33] Vincent Chase Award. Are we sure this character was actually good at his job? Catherine Tramell, fantastic planner, messy killer. Reckless stabber. 31 stabs on Johnny Boss. Why? Why do you act like you've been there before?

Speaker 6:
[92:49] Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3:
[92:50] He's dead after five.

Speaker 4:
[92:52] I thought you were actually going to say, we don't know what kind of writer she was.

Speaker 3:
[92:56] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[92:57] I know she was fast because she would just be like, I'm off Boss, I'm on to Nick, shooter's done. Now we're going on to the next one.

Speaker 7:
[93:04] In the script, it says only 16 stabs. For some reason, it doubled to 31 in the real movie.

Speaker 8:
[93:10] There is when she gives the copy of the first, the book about the kid who killed his parents in the plane crash. There's like a Newsweek blurb on there about what a masterpiece it is. And it does say on the top, bestseller.

Speaker 4:
[93:23] All the more reason why it would be hard for her to be a mass murderer.

Speaker 7:
[93:28] Also, like, leaving the ice pick and the scene of the crime. Like she's just buying ice picks every week.

Speaker 8:
[93:32] But that's her whole game, right? It's like, it's the taunt. Yeah, there are the, you know, a buck forty in Kmart.

Speaker 7:
[93:36] She's just leaving bloody ice picks around. No regard for DNA. Messy. Reckless. I don't like it. She shoots Nielsen in the head in broad daylight in a car?

Speaker 8:
[93:46] She got away with all of it.

Speaker 2:
[93:48] Van, if you were dating her when you went to bed at night, would you check in different parts of the bed for the ice pick just to make sure? Or would you just let it go?

Speaker 5:
[93:56] No, when you date crazy, you like...

Speaker 2:
[93:58] You buy in, you know what I mean?

Speaker 8:
[93:59] I would have like a metal detector that works like a Roomba.

Speaker 6:
[94:03] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[94:05] Going around looking for an ice pick all over.

Speaker 7:
[94:07] Did you guys see that Sharon Stone, literally as she was stabbing Bill Cable, the guy who played Johnny Boss, stabbed him so hard, it went through the blood pack and pierced his skin and he went to the hospital.

Speaker 5:
[94:16] Too much.

Speaker 3:
[94:17] Wow. She's really committed.

Speaker 5:
[94:19] Get off of me.

Speaker 2:
[94:20] Quick, half-assed, starting our research. No body doubles used in any sex scenes.

Speaker 10:
[94:24] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[94:25] We mentioned the five days to film the big sex scene. Douglas declined to go full frontal in the film, which apparently he had in his contract.

Speaker 8:
[94:34] The patriarchy is so real.

Speaker 7:
[94:36] I got as well in my contract. I'm not doing it.

Speaker 8:
[94:40] Side dick though.

Speaker 2:
[94:41] The first sex scene with Douglas and Tripplehorn, it was the rehearsal scene. Creepy per Verhoeven was like, that was good. Let's keep that as the main. They didn't even know they were filming it as the real scene.

Speaker 11:
[94:55] That is pretty weird.

Speaker 8:
[94:56] So gnarly.

Speaker 6:
[94:56] Strange guy.

Speaker 2:
[94:59] Then in Hollywood Animal, Joe Esther Haas' book, he claimed that he slept with Sharon Stone after the movie came out. That was in the book.

Speaker 3:
[95:06] Sure he did.

Speaker 2:
[95:07] Yeah. I don't think he was.

Speaker 4:
[95:08] Esther Haas wrote this movie over the course of 10 days with no outline while listening to The Stones, which is a great euphemism for on cocaine.

Speaker 3:
[95:18] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[95:19] You can't tell.

Speaker 4:
[95:21] And then in the making up, I had to bring this up, is Verhoeven describes Nick as, quote, a cop who has gone through some bad times and has done some things that we might consider wrong.

Speaker 2:
[95:35] Including four murders.

Speaker 8:
[95:37] Incredible.

Speaker 2:
[95:38] All right.

Speaker 5:
[95:38] You know what category we didn't do? We didn't do, does this movie need more black people? No, it's a killer cop one of these. He killing everybody.

Speaker 2:
[95:48] Apex Mountain is another category we do where we decide if this was the peak of somebody's something. Got it. Controversial character category. Michael Douglas, I'm going to say no.

Speaker 5:
[96:01] No.

Speaker 8:
[96:02] No.

Speaker 2:
[96:02] Sharon Stone, yes.

Speaker 8:
[96:03] Yes.

Speaker 5:
[96:03] Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2:
[96:04] Joe Estherhouse, yes. Ceiling Sex Mirrors.

Speaker 8:
[96:08] Could be.

Speaker 2:
[96:09] Oh, has it been done better than this?

Speaker 4:
[96:11] Do you think that this is maybe the end of the peak of Ceiling Sex Mirrors?

Speaker 2:
[96:15] No, Cribs brought it back.

Speaker 4:
[96:17] Cribs brought it back?

Speaker 2:
[96:18] I think like three members of the Trailblazers had the ceiling mirrors. I remember. Zach Randolph definitely had it.

Speaker 13:
[96:24] Love it.

Speaker 2:
[96:27] San Francisco Movies, probably not.

Speaker 10:
[96:29] Probably not, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[96:31] Erotic thrillers. Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[96:33] Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 2:
[96:34] I say yes. All right.

Speaker 8:
[96:36] Freeze frame moments, like moments you pause on in a movie.

Speaker 2:
[96:39] Side dick freeze frame?

Speaker 10:
[96:40] Yeah. It's a personal apex.

Speaker 8:
[96:42] Yeah. Phoebe Cates.

Speaker 2:
[96:43] What is it for Jeanne Tripplehorn? Because it's probably the firm, right?

Speaker 3:
[96:46] The firm. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[96:47] Isn't that like right around this time? Is 92s kind of like breaks out?

Speaker 5:
[96:51] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[96:53] Coke and Jack Daniels.

Speaker 10:
[96:55] Oh, sure.

Speaker 8:
[96:56] Got Pepsi in the fridge.

Speaker 2:
[96:57] Elevator Murders. I'm going to go Dress to Kill. Gratuitous male actor, Ash Shots. I think maybe.

Speaker 5:
[97:05] Oh, yeah. So there was a whole competition. So look, bust this. So he had to show his butt. He had no problem. He had a white butt competition. Right.

Speaker 2:
[97:16] This was the apex of white butt competitions.

Speaker 5:
[97:18] Mel Gibson's butt, Lethal Weapon. Kevin Costner's butt, Robin Hood. Bruce Willis's butt later on, The Color of Night. Douglas was like, you know what? I got the ass. Douglas the Stallion.

Speaker 2:
[97:29] Got to do it.

Speaker 5:
[97:29] I'm going to show y'all that I got that nest. He had to show his butt. He probably wanted to show it.

Speaker 2:
[97:33] He lost 25 pounds for the film of the movie.

Speaker 8:
[97:36] He looks great.

Speaker 4:
[97:37] That shape of his life.

Speaker 2:
[97:40] We don't get to give this award all the time, but it's the Floyd Gondoli.

Speaker 5:
[97:43] Hold on for a second. Apex Mountain. I got a couple of things.

Speaker 2:
[97:46] What do you got?

Speaker 5:
[97:46] Ice picks.

Speaker 8:
[97:48] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[97:50] Apex Mountain ice picks.

Speaker 8:
[97:51] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[97:52] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[97:54] The crowd's applauding ice picks. What's happened to all of you? We've corrupted you in less than 90 minutes.

Speaker 5:
[97:59] Ice picks, fucking your therapist. I think this is like way up there, fucking your therapist right here.

Speaker 2:
[98:04] Not Sopranos?

Speaker 8:
[98:05] Sopranos, yeah.

Speaker 5:
[98:06] Well, the Sopranos, they never.

Speaker 2:
[98:07] Fantasy scene.

Speaker 8:
[98:08] Yeah, the fantasy scene.

Speaker 4:
[98:09] Did they Princess Bride? Prince of Tides?

Speaker 8:
[98:12] I thought you said the Princess Bride for a minute.

Speaker 4:
[98:14] I did for a second.

Speaker 9:
[98:14] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[98:16] Do Strizana and Nolte have sex in Prince of Tides? If you don't know, then it's probably not Apex Mountain.

Speaker 2:
[98:24] Haven't whipped that one out in a while. Women on top?

Speaker 5:
[98:30] Women on top. Women on top.

Speaker 3:
[98:32] It might be. The murder party.

Speaker 5:
[98:34] Ladies, get loud for that. We know y'all like that shit. It only actually feels good to y'all.

Speaker 3:
[98:41] Oh, a Doron.

Speaker 5:
[98:42] Yeah. Women on top. When she wants to exert her power, she flips over, and that's how she does her thing.

Speaker 2:
[98:49] The Floyd Gondoli, butter in my ass and lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. Here you go, CR. For me, it's...

Speaker 4:
[98:59] Cops getting in too deep.

Speaker 2:
[99:01] Now I'll even go a little further. When an unraveling and supposedly sober cop shows up at the police bar and orders a double.

Speaker 11:
[99:08] Yeah. Yes.

Speaker 3:
[99:10] And most of the cops go, oh, no, Nick's tricking again. I'm in every time.

Speaker 2:
[99:17] I just love it. Do you guys have any for that or should we keep going?

Speaker 5:
[99:22] Not wearing any underwear. So look, I love this. Okay. Who told women they had to wear underwear? Men. Don't listen. Okay. Let that thing out. You know what I'm saying? And also I'm going to be honest with you guys. I like doing it. Okay. Last year, I got a wax job.

Speaker 8:
[99:41] Yep.

Speaker 6:
[99:41] What's going on right now?

Speaker 8:
[99:44] He chronicled this on his podcast.

Speaker 5:
[99:47] Last year, I got a wax job.

Speaker 8:
[99:48] It was very memorable.

Speaker 5:
[99:49] She waxed the entire thing and like three-quarter way through the wax, she goes, I love what you do. And I'm like, this is a little weird, but that's okay.

Speaker 8:
[99:56] Oh no.

Speaker 5:
[99:57] And after that, it's just, it feels sexy, dog.

Speaker 4:
[100:10] That is probably closer to the Floyd Gondoli, like, essence of this category than we ever get, so.

Speaker 2:
[100:17] Craig's on LinkedIn right now, looking around. We don't get to give this award out very much, the He Got Game Hooker scene, for most awkward scene if someone randomly walks into the room. There's like five different scenes where your mother-in-law's coming down, and you thought she was asleep.

Speaker 10:
[100:40] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[100:42] Picking Nits, why didn't Johnny Bosz's corpse have a rigor mortis boner?

Speaker 4:
[100:52] Did it?

Speaker 7:
[100:53] You want me to Google it?

Speaker 2:
[100:56] I mean, that's why you have the computer. When you die, don't you just die like everything's intact?

Speaker 4:
[101:03] I don't know if it's like getting frozen in carbonite. It's like the second your heart stops, you're like...

Speaker 2:
[101:16] Are we sure it's not, though?

Speaker 4:
[101:19] Do we have a doctor in now?

Speaker 7:
[101:23] It is a thing, a death erection.

Speaker 11:
[101:26] But he doesn't have an erection.

Speaker 4:
[101:30] Thank you.

Speaker 11:
[101:30] No.

Speaker 2:
[101:31] Thank you. Third deck, thank you. How did Hazel Dobbins get out of jail? Just nine years. She served her time for a husband and three kids gone. Let's let her out. I have a few more, but C, are you have any?

Speaker 4:
[101:49] I mean, when does Catherine write?

Speaker 2:
[101:51] Oh, I had this too. She wrote Shooter in two weeks.

Speaker 4:
[101:54] Yeah, she writes Shooter in a matter of weeks. And she most of the time is having sex, doing cocaine or driving around.

Speaker 2:
[102:02] Or hanging out at Nick's doorstep, waiting for him to come home.

Speaker 4:
[102:05] Being like, hey, got you a houseplant.

Speaker 3:
[102:07] Prolific writer.

Speaker 8:
[102:08] Yeah, she's a genius. She is.

Speaker 5:
[102:11] Okay, I got one.

Speaker 8:
[102:12] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[102:13] So after the first time they have sex, you know, this big, he spoons her. Nigga, this your girl now? But he's in love with her. No, spooning is for Sunday. We watch an Avengers endgame on TNT. It takes up the whole fucking afternoon. You do not spoon the psycho killer girl that you are investigating. He wants to, he nuzzles up next to her, puts his hand over her, she calls him up, what the fuck is up with you, homie? He ain't got no homeboys?

Speaker 6:
[102:44] You're spooning? That quick?

Speaker 5:
[102:47] Samp ass motherfucker.

Speaker 2:
[102:48] CR.

Speaker 4:
[102:51] That was it. My picking it was really about Catherine's writing.

Speaker 2:
[102:54] Mal, you have any?

Speaker 8:
[102:55] I think the fact that Nick gets hit by a moving vehicle, that Roxy drives a Lotus into him and he is unaffected. He shakes his head once as he gets behind the wheel. That's the concussion protocol, one head shake, no blood, no injuries, no damage to the car, which of course then will be damaged when it rolls over the cliff killing Roxy, who has no injuries, no blood on her despite the car being destroyed.

Speaker 2:
[103:23] Internal injuries.

Speaker 8:
[103:25] Yes, crazy, ludicrous.

Speaker 7:
[103:29] Why did Johnny Baas give all of his money to her? Why was she the only one available to get the $100 million?

Speaker 2:
[103:35] Was that who she got? I thought she got it from her parents.

Speaker 8:
[103:37] She got it from her parents.

Speaker 7:
[103:38] I thought it was Baas' money went to her after he died.

Speaker 4:
[103:41] Maybe he gets hit off, but she gets some. But she's rich because of her parents.

Speaker 10:
[103:45] Because he's killing her parents.

Speaker 2:
[103:47] So, Beth, as a nitpick, she falls for the broke cocaine-using alcoholic with one friend who shoots people randomly once a year and just had his wife kill herself. And she's like, when are you going to dinner tonight? Would you like to come?

Speaker 8:
[104:03] Her dying words are, I loved you.

Speaker 2:
[104:06] Yeah, like, this was it for Beth? This guy's 20 years older than her.

Speaker 8:
[104:10] She's a psychiatrist. So this is like, this is her cocaine, right? Like, a good time every night with Nick.

Speaker 5:
[104:16] This is consistent, though. So, in the Departed, she falls in love with, like, in The Sopranos, there's always this thing between Melfi, like, what's going on with these therapists? I think they like that type of dumbass shit.

Speaker 2:
[104:29] They like the danger. Any more nitpicks? Because I'm going to move on. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all blackcasts are untouchable. I'd like to at least walk through all blackcasts. What is it? Because I feel like they have tried to make versions of this. What's... There's the one with... What's... I'm trying to think.

Speaker 3:
[104:51] Help me out.

Speaker 5:
[104:53] Okay, what are you talking about? Which one? Like, Obsessed?

Speaker 2:
[104:56] No, it's the one with Ally Larder.

Speaker 5:
[104:58] Oh, Obsessed. That's the call. Obsessed with Beyoncé. Beyoncé is the. And Eat Yourself.

Speaker 2:
[105:03] There's another one with Megan Good. But they haven't really pulled it off.

Speaker 5:
[105:07] They haven't really pulled it off. There's a thin line between love and hate. That actually takes place in the Bay. Like with Martin Lawrence and Liam Whitfield and stuff like that. It's tough. We don't like depicting our sisters like that. You know what I'm saying? Our sisters don't get obsessed and shit like that. Prestige TV, could that work?

Speaker 8:
[105:22] Definitely.

Speaker 4:
[105:23] Only to explain the ending. I mean, I guess you could do it as Prestige TV. I will note that...

Speaker 2:
[105:30] Would you go backwards to Berkeley with Beth and...

Speaker 4:
[105:32] I would go back to the Manny Vasquez years. The boxing. I'd make a boxing show with Catherine as his girlfriend. But, you know, they made Basic Instinct 2, Much Maligned.

Speaker 2:
[105:42] It's horrible. Please don't rent Basic Instinct 2.

Speaker 4:
[105:44] And a year ago, Joe Astorhas, who is 80, reportedly sold a screenplay to Amazon for $2 million that was going to be an anti-woke reboot of Basic Instinct because Basic Instinct is too woke. And he gave this quote, To those who question what an 80-year-old man is doing writing a sexy, erotic thriller, the rumors of my cinematic impotence are exaggerated and ageist. I call my writing parter, all caps, the twisted little man, and he lives somewhere deep inside me. He was born 29, he will die 29, and he tells me sky high up to write this piece and provide viewers with a wild and orgasmic ride. Do you want to see this?

Speaker 8:
[106:38] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[106:40] We should have made you read that as Vincent Hanna. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe or somebody else here?

Speaker 4:
[106:53] Nick, man. From nights of cocaine-fueled sex to days of shooting tourists, you've done it all. So what is it that gets you fired up? Could it be the best-selling author of mass-market paperbacks uncrossing her legs in the interrogation room? And where does Nick Curran go from here?

Speaker 9:
[107:14] Incredible.

Speaker 8:
[107:16] Incredible.

Speaker 2:
[107:18] Amazing.

Speaker 8:
[107:21] I was hoping you would do Wayne. Give us a quick Wayne. Here's the context. Catherine is on a book tour. She's gone to Baltimore on her book tour. Go.

Speaker 4:
[107:34] What is she doing in Baltimore?

Speaker 8:
[107:35] On a book tour for her best seller.

Speaker 4:
[107:37] Oh, I was just going to say, if Wayne was Gus, it would be like, God damn, Nick, you got 20 birds flying around your head.

Speaker 8:
[107:46] Give us Magnicle, Loud A Pussy and a Baltimore accent. Do it.

Speaker 7:
[107:50] No.

Speaker 6:
[107:52] He's not prepared for this.

Speaker 8:
[107:54] Going down to the ocean, hon.

Speaker 2:
[107:55] Can I give you Ryan Ruko?

Speaker 8:
[107:59] Please.

Speaker 2:
[108:00] Sure. Announcing the first scene in the movie. Catherine's riding and now she's reaching back.

Speaker 3:
[108:06] Is she going for the ice pick?

Speaker 10:
[108:07] You bet.

Speaker 2:
[108:12] Shout out to Ruko. Just want to ask her who gets it.

Speaker 4:
[108:15] Stone.

Speaker 10:
[108:16] Sharon Stone. All right.

Speaker 2:
[108:17] We all agree. Probably unanswerable questions. Dan, was it a big deal when Manny the boxer died in the ring in 1984? Like cover of Sports Illustrated?

Speaker 5:
[108:27] Had to be a huge deal, right?

Speaker 2:
[108:29] Like LED Sports Center?

Speaker 10:
[108:30] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[108:31] I felt like it was a big deal too.

Speaker 4:
[108:33] That was also another really weird cop moment is when they're like, maybe if she put on Afro and did Blackface, she could be mad.

Speaker 10:
[108:40] I'm like, what the are you talking about?

Speaker 5:
[108:42] See, I was going to let it slide.

Speaker 2:
[108:48] How long did they date after the movie ended?

Speaker 8:
[108:51] Well, how long till she kills them, right? Because that's the answer.

Speaker 2:
[108:54] Is Nick still alive in 1995?

Speaker 7:
[108:57] No. Nick has died of a massive cocaine-intrusive attack. Yeah. He mentions Rugrats at the grocery store later that day, and she stabs him, I think.

Speaker 8:
[109:09] If he doesn't retract the Rugrats line, she's like, I hate Rugrats. She kills him right then and there. No question. So it's got to be just a matter of days. I'm always on the unanswerable questions, and how long does he last front? At what point is he like, let me see some more of your pages about this detective, so that I can just avoid the exact scenario that you have crafted and live a little longer? But he doesn't ask.

Speaker 2:
[109:35] I think Montana goes to the Chiefs, Nick unravels, he's back on the Coke, and then she just kills him because he's annoying.

Speaker 10:
[109:42] He just never believes in studio.

Speaker 2:
[109:43] Yeah, she stabs him to death. Should she have just killed him at the ending? Is that a better ending?

Speaker 4:
[109:52] No.

Speaker 2:
[109:52] If she murders him and that's the end of the movie?

Speaker 4:
[109:56] I don't think it would be like a fun theater-going experience if the last thing you see is Michael Douglas dying. Maybe it would be just.

Speaker 5:
[110:05] If the movie ends not with his actual death, but with her grabbing the ice pick, like, actually grabbing the ice pick, then you leave on something a little bit more...

Speaker 2:
[110:13] Can we do like the Sopranos ending?

Speaker 8:
[110:16] I like it just like it is because it's there, she reaches for it, then she retracts, so there's enough to, like, I mean, you want it to debate whether...

Speaker 4:
[110:24] I was curious, I mean, like, I think, I weirdly, like, there's 8% of me that's like, but Beth could have done it, and Catherine also could have been crazy at the same time.

Speaker 8:
[110:36] Yeah, I like that this is your, like, spinning top at the end of Inception. You're like, was it moving?

Speaker 4:
[110:41] It's haunted me for 30 years.

Speaker 2:
[110:44] Secret Handshake Club memorabilia you'd want from this movie. A copy of Love Hurts by Catherine Wolfe.

Speaker 8:
[110:49] Ooh.

Speaker 4:
[110:50] V-neck.

Speaker 8:
[110:51] Shooter.

Speaker 2:
[110:51] The V-neck sweater.

Speaker 4:
[110:52] Yeah, the V-neck.

Speaker 2:
[110:53] Would you wear it?

Speaker 4:
[110:54] I mean, if I had it, yeah.

Speaker 10:
[110:56] What do you have, Craig?

Speaker 7:
[110:58] Those giant red, like, semen glasses that he wears.

Speaker 10:
[111:02] Yeah.

Speaker 7:
[111:03] Imagine I just got those on when you come over. You know where these are from? Great one. Johnny Boss's apartment.

Speaker 3:
[111:09] They're called the semen glasses.

Speaker 2:
[111:12] New from Chrome Hearts. What would you have, Van?

Speaker 8:
[111:15] I want the ice pick. Yeah, of course. It's got to be the ice pick. Or the mirror, ceiling mirror.

Speaker 7:
[111:19] Mal, the storyboards.

Speaker 8:
[111:21] Well, I mean.

Speaker 2:
[111:22] Oh my God. The storyboards.

Speaker 8:
[111:23] That would be great.

Speaker 6:
[111:24] I would frame them and I would display them tastefully next to my ceiling mirror.

Speaker 2:
[111:31] The Coach Finstock Mr. Miyagi Award for Best Worst Life Lesson. I think it's actually worth it to risk it all for the fuck of the century. I think it's the lesson of this movie. I think Nick wins. Gets a girlfriend, breaks up with somebody he didn't really like that much anyway. Gets out of a murder investigation. Gets rid of everybody at work that he kind of hated.

Speaker 3:
[111:51] Picked up.

Speaker 11:
[111:53] She's loaded.

Speaker 8:
[111:54] She's got money, beautiful properties. I think the life lesson is wash your sheets.

Speaker 7:
[111:59] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[112:02] I think the life lesson is what Hoss said. That's her pussy talking. It ain't your brain. That happens.

Speaker 2:
[112:13] What do you got for a double feature choice?

Speaker 4:
[112:14] Jagged Edge. It's another Joe Esther House thriller and it's also set in San Francisco.

Speaker 2:
[112:19] I like that movie. I had total recall.

Speaker 8:
[112:21] Oh, fatal attraction.

Speaker 2:
[112:23] Double Verho. Oh, fatal.

Speaker 5:
[112:24] I had Body of Evidence, which is the bad version of this movie.

Speaker 2:
[112:29] That movie is awful.

Speaker 5:
[112:30] With Madonna and Willem Dafoe, which is interesting because the masturbation scene that you said that you wanted. Yeah. They actually do that in Body of Evidence. And Willem Dafoe is completely unprepared for it. Madonna just fucking goes for it. And he doesn't know what to do. The Green Goblin is like, what?

Speaker 8:
[112:48] Works every time.

Speaker 2:
[112:50] It's a really horrible movie. Who won the movie of Sharon Stone? No question. All right, we've never done this on a live show. Craig, we always go to him at the end to see what he thought of the movie, but you'd already seen this one.

Speaker 7:
[113:01] Well, because we did this five years ago.

Speaker 10:
[113:03] That was when I watched it.

Speaker 7:
[113:04] But I don't think you asked me on that show. This movie is just elite entertainment. We didn't know how good we had it in the early 90s. It's crazy to me that this movie was reviewed poorly compared to what we have now. This movie looks fantastic. It has an elite actor, great performance. It's based off nothing huge star in it, made $400 million. This would be the achievement of the fucking decade if this movie came out right now.

Speaker 8:
[113:29] Yeah. Agreed. All right.

Speaker 13:
[113:31] There we go.

Speaker 3:
[113:34] I would also...

Speaker 2:
[113:36] It's a very good 4K Blu-ray.

Speaker 8:
[113:38] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[113:38] I bet. Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[113:40] Physical media era.

Speaker 2:
[113:42] For the San Francisco scenes.

Speaker 7:
[113:44] Yeah.

Speaker 8:
[113:45] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[113:46] No, but in all seriousness though, one reason why this movie holds up or it's so good or you can watch it now and digest it so easily is because San Francisco is a character in a movie.

Speaker 8:
[113:56] Yes.

Speaker 5:
[113:57] And we're not making as many movies where Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego or characters in these movies and they are just like, those cities are immaculate in terms of the way you can film them.

Speaker 4:
[114:07] You can't fake it.

Speaker 5:
[114:08] They look beautiful.

Speaker 4:
[114:08] You can't fake San Francisco.

Speaker 5:
[114:09] And so like, with that going away makes you have to make this movie like in fucking.

Speaker 8:
[114:15] In the volume.

Speaker 5:
[114:16] Or something like that, the volume or something.

Speaker 8:
[114:19] Basic Instinct in the volume would be pretty funny.

Speaker 5:
[114:21] It's stupid, right?

Speaker 8:
[114:22] That's its legacy, but also, you know, Michael Douglas saying, I don't remember how often I used to jerk off, but it was a lot. Also important. San Francisco's beauty and that, you know.

Speaker 5:
[114:33] Yeah, you don't want to have calluses. That's bad.

Speaker 2:
[114:35] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[114:36] That'll hurt your guy.

Speaker 2:
[114:37] Yeah, you guys take San Francisco for granted because you live here, but this city is awesome. And it's a really, really, really, really great movie location city. When you even walk around, you kind of feel like you're in a movie when you're here with all the hills and everything. If I lived here, the power walking, I was telling them my legs, my legs would be like Adrian Peterson. I would just be, I would be in the greatest shape of my life. Thank God I don't live here. Listen, thanks for coming out. We had a great time.

Speaker 6:
[115:07] Thank you so much, guys.

Speaker 2:
[115:17] We love this theater, so we're going to come back, but thanks for having us. Thanks for coming out.

Speaker 3:
[115:21] Have a great rest of the night. Thank you.