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Speaker 1:
[00:01] 9-1-1, where is the emergency?

Speaker 2:
[00:02] It's the middle of the night, in a small town on the Jersey Shore. Someone reports an abandoned car on a bridge. A search gets underway for the missing driver, 19-year-old Sarah Stern.

Speaker 3:
[00:14] Is it a missing person?

Speaker 4:
[00:16] Is it a suicide?

Speaker 5:
[00:17] At this point, nobody knows.

Speaker 2:
[00:19] Old friendships, buried cash, and a sinister plot that was once pitched as a movie plays out in real life. I'm JuJu Chang from 2020 and ABC Audio. Listen now to Bridge of Lies wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaker 6:
[00:51] It's a cold night in Evansville, Indiana. A man says he's headed out to run an errand. But the inside of his vehicle tells a much different story. He's got a gun, a police scanner, and photos of his intended target.

Speaker 7:
[01:21] It had been a normal day. I had cleaned the house and done a little bit of shopping at Target and then at the neighborhood Walmart. And then I was at home cooking. I was making mac and cheese and thick-cut pork chops.

Speaker 8:
[01:42] Becky Dorr and Robbie Dorr were married. She stayed at home while he worked multiple jobs to provide for the family.

Speaker 9:
[01:49] Robbie had just arrived home after working a 12-hour shift at the fire department.

Speaker 7:
[01:54] I saw him pull up into the driveway. I didn't see his actual truck, just saw the headlights. Within a minute or so after that, I heard four or five pops.

Speaker 9:
[02:08] There were several 911 calls that came in. A lot were from neighbors reporting gunshots.

Speaker 10:
[02:14] Hi, I don't know what happened, but I heard a loud bang, and then I looked out the door, and the people across the street said, call 911.

Speaker 4:
[02:21] I heard five shots going off, but it's just like, did you see a car leave area?

Speaker 1:
[02:26] No, we didn't.

Speaker 5:
[02:27] We just heard the popping.

Speaker 9:
[02:30] Then Elizabeth Fox Door would be a 911 caller.

Speaker 11:
[02:33] I don't know what happened.

Speaker 4:
[02:35] I just got shot. All I see is blood on the ground. What happened? All I saw was my husband's headlights pulling to the driveway, and then I heard a bunch of popping.

Speaker 1:
[02:46] When did that happen, ma'am?

Speaker 11:
[02:49] Just a few minutes ago.

Speaker 12:
[02:50] Is the cellist still there?

Speaker 4:
[02:53] No, I didn't see anybody.

Speaker 10:
[02:56] Hey, for that shot fired run, they said it's a gunshot wound to the head.

Speaker 9:
[03:02] It's a shooting, so it would be a heavier police presence there.

Speaker 13:
[03:09] Is this your husband?

Speaker 4:
[03:10] Yes.

Speaker 13:
[03:11] I'm up here at the intersection of Colorado and Oakley.

Speaker 11:
[03:15] Get the med kit. He's still got a pulse.

Speaker 1:
[03:19] Starting compressions now.

Speaker 14:
[03:20] Stay with me, stay with me.

Speaker 9:
[03:22] Heart's still pumping.

Speaker 7:
[03:23] As far as who did that to Robbie, all I could think was, what am I going to do without him?

Speaker 9:
[03:30] One person was shot and killed here tonight, and the police still looking for a suspect. I got a call that there had been a shooting, and so my photographer and I immediately headed there. There was a lot of police officers. Crime scene tape was already up. It was a very hectic scene. I started seeing a lot of firefighters arrive. You don't usually see that at a shooting.

Speaker 15:
[03:49] What the f***?

Speaker 12:
[03:51] I just realized who it is.

Speaker 16:
[03:53] Robbie!

Speaker 17:
[03:54] Robbie!

Speaker 5:
[03:56] Connect electrodes.

Speaker 13:
[03:57] Robbie! Robbie! He's done, dude.

Speaker 1:
[04:01] Damn it!

Speaker 17:
[04:02] Oh, God, no.

Speaker 1:
[04:05] Damn it!

Speaker 9:
[04:06] Once we found out that it was Robbie Dorr, we immediately knew this was a beloved firefighter in this community, that he was a leader within the department. He trained a lot of the rookies.

Speaker 1:
[04:18] Hey, man, let's go back this way. Come on.

Speaker 18:
[04:19] Let's go back.

Speaker 1:
[04:21] I know, man.

Speaker 3:
[04:22] I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but we got to get the fire out of here because that's one of theirs.

Speaker 7:
[04:26] I was kind of in a haze, like a daze. I was doing the motions of what I needed to do. I really relied a lot on my oldest son.

Speaker 19:
[04:40] When I got there, I got stopped by the police, or maybe it was a fireman, I'm not sure. But then I couldn't go down the street, and I was like, what are you talking about? My parents live down here. I have to get to the house. Then I said, my dad's just been shot. It's my dad. I need to get down there.

Speaker 13:
[04:53] I understand. You're not going through this crime scene.

Speaker 19:
[04:55] Okay. Well, then get my mother down here. Her name is Elizabeth Dore. She said that he died. Dad is dead. The whole house was swarming with police officers and other people that had been notified. It was traumatic.

Speaker 14:
[05:11] My mom had three children. Me, I'm the youngest, then Dustin, he's the middle child, and Nathan, he's the oldest. Nathan was spam texting me, spam calling me, and he was like, you need to get home. And now Rob's been shot. I was like, is he okay? He was like, I don't know, Taylor, get home. Where's my mom?

Speaker 13:
[05:29] Follow me. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 14:
[05:33] And we walked up to the house.

Speaker 13:
[05:34] Still everything's being investigated.

Speaker 14:
[05:36] Is he alive? No.

Speaker 20:
[05:38] Oh my God.

Speaker 14:
[05:40] The first thing I did was I called out my mom's name, and I ran over to her, and we just started crying together.

Speaker 13:
[05:54] We got to look at all angles of everything. Where's his daughter?

Speaker 10:
[06:02] The next thing I know, at 7.30 at night, I'm getting a call from Nathan, and he goes, Lindsay's dad's gone. And I immediately dashed for the house.

Speaker 3:
[06:11] Is that the daughter?

Speaker 19:
[06:16] Lindsay turned into a puddle. I mean, how can you not? She was inconsolable.

Speaker 10:
[06:23] He was my best friend. All I could think about was I needed to be next to my dad. Like, my dad was alone on that concrete. I need, he didn't have me. I needed to be with him.

Speaker 11:
[06:33] Who shot him?

Speaker 1:
[06:34] I have no idea.

Speaker 17:
[06:36] Oh, no, no.

Speaker 1:
[06:37] I won't let you.

Speaker 12:
[06:39] You go out there, okay?

Speaker 1:
[06:40] Why?

Speaker 15:
[06:41] You can't.

Speaker 12:
[06:42] They wouldn't even let me out there with them.

Speaker 9:
[06:45] It's definitely chaos, but it's organized chaos, because everybody has a job. Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the patrolman had to protect a crime scene. So they had to get everybody out of the scene.

Speaker 12:
[06:56] I've already told FIRE very suddenly that they have to stay outside the tape.

Speaker 15:
[07:01] When you're dealing with somebody that's a victim of a crime, at the worst, a homicide, like in this situation, you say, okay, this is what it is. You know, we can't change that. We have to put that out of our minds and just treat it like any other investigation and start doing what we do.

Speaker 6:
[07:17] We found no shell casings.

Speaker 13:
[07:19] I want to say, I'm very, very little.

Speaker 9:
[07:24] The image that stays with me about that night, several fire trucks are lined up and start a procession into town. Later find out that they were escorting Robbie's body to the coroner's office.

Speaker 19:
[07:39] When little boys dream of or talk about their hero, sometimes they say Spider-Man. Mine was a true hero, he was a fireman.

Speaker 17:
[07:50] He was my dad. He said he doesn't have any enemies, he's a fire fighter.

Speaker 9:
[07:56] Did Robbie have any enemies? He had at least one. Are you going to take that down to the stop sign?

Speaker 21:
[08:13] Well, I feel like we need to set a car up on this side.

Speaker 22:
[08:16] I've got like six rolls in my car if you need them.

Speaker 3:
[08:20] Oh, God, no.

Speaker 17:
[08:21] No.

Speaker 3:
[08:25] No.

Speaker 17:
[08:25] No.

Speaker 3:
[08:30] Oh, God, please no.

Speaker 13:
[08:31] No.

Speaker 1:
[08:33] We're going to walk around the back.

Speaker 11:
[08:34] They've got some crime scene tape up that we can't go through right now.

Speaker 9:
[08:38] Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the detectives that are arriving knew that they had to start talking to people. So the canvas began immediately knocking on neighbors' doors.

Speaker 17:
[08:50] Hi.

Speaker 11:
[08:52] Did you guys happen to see what happened out here earlier?

Speaker 23:
[08:54] Sure did. We're just sitting here watching TV and just heard noise.

Speaker 11:
[09:00] Will you guys do me a favor and stay inside until we clear out?

Speaker 9:
[09:04] Everybody was working for one goal, to figure out what happened to Robbie.

Speaker 3:
[09:09] Did anybody hear or see anything?

Speaker 21:
[09:11] All of us were here.

Speaker 1:
[09:12] We heard the shots, but we didn't see the vehicle.

Speaker 13:
[09:16] We knew something funny had happened.

Speaker 24:
[09:17] I was in that...

Speaker 18:
[09:18] See that camper over there?

Speaker 22:
[09:20] I was in the garage and I heard five shots go off.

Speaker 1:
[09:23] And I...

Speaker 22:
[09:25] It got the f*** out of me. I thought it was right outside my door.

Speaker 9:
[09:28] So you were in the garage and heard five shots?

Speaker 22:
[09:30] Yep.

Speaker 15:
[09:32] You hear anything prior to that? No, I sure didn't.

Speaker 25:
[09:35] See anything suspicious afterward?

Speaker 18:
[09:37] No, I mean, it scared me so bad.

Speaker 24:
[09:39] I turned all my lights off.

Speaker 5:
[09:41] I didn't know if somebody was going around shooting or something.

Speaker 9:
[09:44] The initial assessment, like moments after the shooting, we were... We didn't have a clue what happened.

Speaker 7:
[09:54] The detectives are still working on it, okay?

Speaker 1:
[09:56] I say, I don't have a whole lot of information I can give you right now.

Speaker 9:
[09:59] Well, someone must have drove down the street, perhaps maybe had an issue on the road with Robbie on his way home from work and shot at him.

Speaker 15:
[10:10] I call it an execution. We checked to see maybe if it was a carjacking and we could see with the video that the detectives located that, you know, we ruled out a carjacking.

Speaker 19:
[10:23] How could this have happened? Wrong person, wrong time, wrong place. Ran the whole gambit of everything. And for him to be taken out of this world in such a way that it's mind boggling.

Speaker 16:
[10:39] Robby Dorr was invincible in Engine One. He was in it. He loved the fire department, the just getting out there and helping people. For nearly three decades, this beloved firefighter worked for everyone but himself. Today is the first day in all those years they've worked without him.

Speaker 9:
[10:55] I'm sure you've seen the shot we have of Robby that's really old of him when he had rescued a child from a burning building.

Speaker 11:
[11:02] I got this video of this baby being put on a ladder right now.

Speaker 9:
[11:05] He's a hero.

Speaker 19:
[11:10] Twenty-eight years he was on the force. Like, that's a lifetime. I mean, his dad was a fireman. So it's like a family tradition.

Speaker 8:
[11:23] Firefighters typically have second jobs. He was a manager at Taco John's. He was doing that to just make extra money.

Speaker 7:
[11:30] I quit my job to go be a general manager at Taco John's, and that's how I met Rob. I think the first thing he ever said to me was, hey, pretty lady, I miss that.

Speaker 19:
[11:44] He had always loved my mom. I do remember Robby coming to me saying, would it be okay if I went on a date with your mom? I know I've just kind of been a friend, but I want to be more than the friend. And I was like, that's completely okay with me. And he was elated. You could see him skipping through the ice door.

Speaker 22:
[12:06] Oh, I knew he loved Becky. There was no doubt in my mind. He was 110% in.

Speaker 7:
[12:14] Our wedding was in Panama City Beach, Florida. Actually, it had rained every day when we first got there. And as soon as I started to walk down the sand, it stopped raining. So it was very, very pretty.

Speaker 19:
[12:34] I was over the moon to have Robert as my dad. He stepped in to be a parent. My hero became my dad. Finally, I have this hero that I can call my dad. They were married for about six months. So very quick relationship, marriage, death.

Speaker 7:
[12:52] Before Rob and I were married, I had been married five times.

Speaker 19:
[12:58] I think that she wanted to have that picture perfect life, the husband, the children, but just couldn't find it.

Speaker 14:
[13:09] Rob was going to be the person that gave my mom a consistent life because my mom was born into adversity. Then she was put into a foster home that didn't have adequate resources to take care of her. She never really had a break until she was ultimately adopted.

Speaker 7:
[13:23] I was for my sister Mandy.

Speaker 1:
[13:25] It was two.

Speaker 7:
[13:27] My bond with Mandy, we were the two troublemakers of the house.

Speaker 25:
[13:33] What was it like growing up with Becky?

Speaker 24:
[13:35] She was my big sister. She was a good sister. We played, we traded stickers, we jumped on the trampoline, swam, got in trouble. She was the sister that comforted me. For 47 years, she was everything good and pure and wonderful.

Speaker 19:
[13:58] Like my mom was trying to be like Jude Cleaver, perfect stay-at-home wife. But my mom and Robbie, their relationship, it had problems.

Speaker 10:
[14:10] He started to question things.

Speaker 25:
[14:11] It seemed normal to you, it seemed good.

Speaker 24:
[14:13] It was fine until it wasn't.

Speaker 22:
[14:27] Oh yeah, Robbie and I were best friends for 34 years. And thick thin didn't make any difference. We were always there for each other. We've made a lot of runs together. Several fires. Robbie gave 110% on every run he ever made.

Speaker 4:
[14:45] Dorr was shot to death outside his Oakley Street home last week. The investigation into his murder continues.

Speaker 9:
[14:55] Shortly after the murder, police began searching Robbie's home. In the home, they find something of interest there. It was a note from Robbie, written to Elizabeth, and it talked about there being some problems in the marriage, perhaps someone else that Elizabeth had been talking to, alleged infidelity.

Speaker 10:
[15:22] My dad seemed very happy at first, but then things, he started to question things. He started to feel insecure. He started to think she was cheating on him. He was like, she always deletes her text messages. Like she never lets me see her phone.

Speaker 22:
[15:38] Robbie had trust issues when it came to that because it had happened to him previously.

Speaker 7:
[15:44] I tried to make him feel reassured. I would tell him every time somebody would call me, there were times that my oldest son would call me, and he couldn't believe, oh, you're on the phone with him again. He just didn't understand.

Speaker 19:
[16:05] My mother did confide to me about their relationship. Sometimes a little too much, with too much information, but on that same aspect, so did dad. Dad asked me to be his confidant. The financial aspect of things created some strain, created some problems between the two of them.

Speaker 10:
[16:25] As soon as they got home from Florida, he and she had a brand new car, and then they got a brand new sectional. They had to buy a washer. He had a credit card out at Home Depot. He had a credit card out on the ring.

Speaker 22:
[16:38] He was borrowed as far as he could borrow. Money got real tight. She wasn't working. He was.

Speaker 7:
[16:45] Our biggest disagreement was he wanted me to quit working, because when he's off, that was our time to be together, and that's what he wanted. And I wanted to work. But as far as major trouble brewing, no. We were still learning each other.

Speaker 25:
[17:04] You think Robbie was trying to make Becky's life better?

Speaker 24:
[17:07] I do. I do.

Speaker 7:
[17:13] Rob wanted my relationship with my sister Mandy to be stronger. So that was what we were trying to do, by getting together with them.

Speaker 24:
[17:23] When we started going out with them, I was kind of excited about it.

Speaker 7:
[17:27] I would be off with Mandy, and he would be off with Larry.

Speaker 25:
[17:33] How did you meet your fiancé, Larry Richmond?

Speaker 24:
[17:36] I made him at work. I was working at the Dollar General. He made sure his hand touched mine. And I thought, golly, this one's bold. So we just, we started talking, and a couple months later, he called one night and said, do you want me to bring my stuff to your house? We were together from that time on.

Speaker 11:
[17:56] He pulled up in his car with all of his clothes, and said he was moving in. And she was thrilled beans about it.

Speaker 10:
[18:06] He was very, very tall. I think he was six foot something.

Speaker 14:
[18:09] He has a nice smile. I will say that he was the most handsome out of the men that I've seen her date.

Speaker 10:
[18:16] Larry was always really gentle with my mom. Like he was always like getting her things. Like he was always doing things for her. I don't think I've ever seen her happier.

Speaker 24:
[18:25] I just, just always felt loved. I came home one day and he had gone to the Goodwill and just laid out a bunch of dresses on the bed. I was like, oh, you know, he didn't even know what size I wore. But he was able to pick them at everything fit. I felt fancy. He was really close to his family.

Speaker 9:
[18:47] Larry Richmond Senior is very proud of his son, Larry Richmond Junior.

Speaker 24:
[18:50] They were two peas in a pod.

Speaker 25:
[18:53] So you bring him to Thanksgiving, introduce him to your family, but you don't tell them about his past. No. Why not?

Speaker 24:
[19:03] It felt like a mean thing to do to him. That's not how I wanted everybody to see him. That's not who he was to me. That's not who he was trying to be. Larry had his history. He told me when he was 17 years old, he accidentally killed a man and did 20 years for it.

Speaker 6:
[19:20] Well, he actually pled guilty to knowingly killing a person.

Speaker 25:
[19:25] How did he explain it?

Speaker 24:
[19:26] He said he was trying to get the guy to show him his ID because he believed that the guy had done something inappropriate to one of his friend's brothers. And he said that in the process of trying to see the guy's ID, the gun went off.

Speaker 12:
[19:47] At first, I was like, oh, that's not great.

Speaker 10:
[19:49] But then slowly, like, I mean, my mom convinced us she was like, he's a changed man. It was an accident. You know, he's a great guy, which he was from our perspective. He was a great guy. So, yeah, after a while, I just kind of like pushed it to the side, I guess.

Speaker 7:
[20:09] Does Mandy fall in love easy? I would probably say, yeah, she falls in love very easily. I do too.

Speaker 14:
[20:16] My mom's life had just turned around that it was going to be, you know, wonderful, things are great, and then all of a sudden, your world comes crashing down.

Speaker 5:
[20:25] The Evansville Police Department have not identified any suspects.

Speaker 15:
[20:28] As far as lists of people that want to hurt Robbie Doar, we couldn't find a single one.

Speaker 9:
[20:34] It's not until we're at the autopsy when we discover something, something odd.

Speaker 15:
[20:39] That is a whole heck of a lot of coincidences.

Speaker 9:
[20:59] This has been one of the biggest stories I've covered in my career. Anytime a first responder is hurt, let alone murdered, I mean, that is a big deal, especially here in the Evansville area. We regard our first responders very highly around here. And this, from the very beginning, the community was invested in this story. So that night on Oakley, we did not find any shell casings. We found, in the road, a fired projectile that had damage to it.

Speaker 22:
[21:35] That's not a casing. That's an actual round.

Speaker 15:
[21:37] That's a round, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[21:38] It's not until the next day when we discover something odd.

Speaker 15:
[21:43] It really started with the autopsy. Had a great forensic pathologist that did the autopsy.

Speaker 9:
[21:49] When they pulled ammunition from Robbie's body, there was a mixture. There were jacketed projectiles. There was ball projectiles. And there was plastic wadding. One of our firearms experts said, well, you're probably looking at a Taurus judge that fires different types of ammunition in one gun. You could shoot a projectile or you could shoot a shotgun shell. And it all came from the same firearm. A Taurus judge was referred to us as a hand cannon.

Speaker 15:
[22:25] Robby was shot with a very unique gun. That kind of got us off and running, really. Okay, you basically start a war room. You have a big whiteboard and you put your victim in the middle of that. And then you put a picture of his wife and draw an arrow next to her, victim's wife, child, best friend. And then you just start building that out. And then you want to look at that board the most and say, okay, who started on the outside, but is maybe moving more towards your victim.

Speaker 9:
[22:56] We discovered that a Taurus judge was stolen, actively stolen from a pawn shop nearby called River City Pawn Shop. This company, River City Pawn, played a pretty big role in this investigation because Larry Richmond Jr. worked there and had access to many firearms.

Speaker 15:
[23:16] He's a young man with no criminal record. So we go back, printed out Larry Richmond Jr., put him on our whiteboard.

Speaker 9:
[23:22] We came across a picture that had a tourist judge in his lap, and he just sent it to other friends, just showing off the gun that he stole in September of 2018.

Speaker 15:
[23:36] The connection with Larry Richmond Sr. was that he had a direct connection with Jr. When we put Larry Sr. in the system, Detective McCormick ran a criminal history on him and found out, oh my gosh, he's on probation for murder.

Speaker 24:
[23:52] I know what this is supposed to make me scared of him. I know it's supposed to make me hate him. I know what it's supposed to do, but it doesn't. He was never scary to me. He was my protector.

Speaker 9:
[24:06] Mandy was in the middle. She was in a romantic relationship, living together with Larry Richmond Sr. And she was the sister of Elizabeth Foxdor. And they all lived relatively close to one another.

Speaker 7:
[24:27] Well, Mandy is my sister. She is three years younger than me. Her personality is, she's very outgoing. She is, I don't mean it disrespectful, but she's ditzy, very ditzy, very, you know, I don't think a whole lot bothers her. She's a good person.

Speaker 19:
[24:52] The funeral was, was massive. Um, there were fire stations from all around who came to pay their respect.

Speaker 9:
[25:05] There was such a community interest that we even live streamed the funeral on our website for people to watch, because not everybody even could get in.

Speaker 10:
[25:16] The funeral was hard. I will never forget the bells. I will never forget all of the speeches that were said.

Speaker 22:
[25:28] This legacy of integrity is what the foundation of the fire department is with the department.

Speaker 10:
[25:32] I can't listen to back pipes anymore. I can't. I just can't listen to them. The moment that they handed me his helmet, I lost it. I cried a lot through it. All I could think was I shouldn't be doing this.

Speaker 14:
[25:55] I've seen a few times when a firefighter or a police officer passes, they get the fire truck out, and they get the American flag. And so we went under that, and it was a beautiful ceremony, it really was.

Speaker 22:
[26:09] Rest is a brother, we'll take it from here.

Speaker 9:
[26:17] We knew, as soon as the funeral was over, it was time to get this investigation going. And the decision was made collectively to bring in several folks.

Speaker 19:
[26:35] Things took a massive turn.

Speaker 24:
[26:38] There's cops everywhere, dogs barking, and... This is awful.

Speaker 9:
[26:50] You had Mandy was in a room, Larry Richmond Jr., Larry Richmond Sr., and then we had Elizabeth Foxdor.

Speaker 5:
[26:59] I thought he was cheating on me.

Speaker 13:
[27:01] Okay.

Speaker 15:
[27:02] I can tell you was. When we looked at the situation that we had there, I did make the comment at one time, this show is almost geared for Jerry Springer.

Speaker 17:
[27:19] Dog on your head.

Speaker 13:
[27:21] Walk backwards.

Speaker 1:
[27:23] Just hold it right there, come around.

Speaker 16:
[27:28] Here, August, you're going to leave your hand, yes sir.

Speaker 25:
[27:30] Put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 16:
[27:31] There are kiddos in there, man.

Speaker 1:
[27:32] There's a kiddo boy in there.

Speaker 9:
[27:37] We decided to pull over Larry and Mandy as soon as the funeral was over.

Speaker 18:
[27:42] What's going on here, man?

Speaker 3:
[27:43] I'll tell you in a little bit.

Speaker 1:
[27:45] You got weapons or anything? No. Any knives or anything? I don't. Okay. What's your name, sir?

Speaker 24:
[27:50] Larry.

Speaker 1:
[27:50] What's that? Larry. Larry what?

Speaker 24:
[27:53] I think I just went completely numb. Like, what is happening?

Speaker 18:
[28:02] All right, Larry, how's it going?

Speaker 9:
[28:05] I personally was assigned to Larry Richmond, Sr. Well, Larry, while we've got everybody, it's not just you down here. Obviously, we're looking into the Robert Dorr situation. He's gotten down in his driveway.

Speaker 18:
[28:20] What's that got to do with me?

Speaker 9:
[28:21] Well, it has to do with everybody in the family. We're trying to get everybody in here and trying to see if there's just anything that can help us with this investigation. So, do you wish to talk to me about it, or your present?

Speaker 18:
[28:35] I have no problem answering any of your questions. I will cooperate fully. Due to my past, I have been incarcerated.

Speaker 1:
[28:41] I have more probation.

Speaker 18:
[28:43] I don't need any problems.

Speaker 19:
[28:44] Sure, no, I understand.

Speaker 18:
[28:46] So, if I'm not under arrest, please get ahold of him. I will come back down here and fully cooperate.

Speaker 6:
[28:50] No problems at all.

Speaker 9:
[28:53] All we're trying to do is find out if you guys know anything that could help us find this killer.

Speaker 18:
[28:58] I don't know nothing. We go out with him.

Speaker 1:
[29:02] We go out to drink.

Speaker 18:
[29:04] Outside of that there, I don't know nothing.

Speaker 24:
[29:08] They brought us down there, and immediately I realized it's like I am awful close to whatever the crap is happening.

Speaker 13:
[29:25] We're gonna explain it to you. We'll get to all that.

Speaker 16:
[29:29] Whatever you're, whatever's going on in your mind, I can guarantee you, it's not a big deal at all, okay? Where were you at when Robbie was murdered?

Speaker 13:
[29:43] You remember?

Speaker 24:
[29:51] When, I don't know exactly when the last case happened in my life. It was last Tuesday, around 7 o'clock.

Speaker 1:
[30:04] You're home?

Speaker 2:
[30:06] Your kid's there, Larry there.

Speaker 8:
[30:09] Yeah, we were all there.

Speaker 9:
[30:11] Investigators asked her where Larry was at the night of the murder. She reported that he was with her the entire night.

Speaker 1:
[30:20] Hey, Mandy, do you know something?

Speaker 18:
[30:22] No, we don't.

Speaker 10:
[30:29] This is what you watch on TV.

Speaker 24:
[30:33] This is, this, this you watch, this happened to people on TV, not to your family.

Speaker 9:
[30:38] I think Mandy really believes in this man and believes that he can better himself. It's sometimes our benefit to grab all individuals that are involved in a case at the same time.

Speaker 15:
[30:55] Agent Bill Gray picked up Clear Richmond Jr. up from the pawn shop when he got off work that night and brought him downtown. I had some questions for Larry Jr. as far as stealing the firearm and giving it to his dad. We have two more people down here now involved in this case. One is your dad and things aren't looking so good here. What do you know about this gun?

Speaker 18:
[31:21] It came up missing a day or a couple of days before I started at the pawn shop.

Speaker 22:
[31:28] That's not true.

Speaker 15:
[31:33] I've talked to the regional manager.

Speaker 13:
[31:34] I've talked to the ATF guys.

Speaker 15:
[31:35] That's not exactly the way it's going down. The gun came up missing while you were an employee.

Speaker 18:
[31:39] Yeah, well, yeah. I was sitting in another pawn shop, and then somebody came up and said there was a gun outside. And then we called it in and...

Speaker 9:
[31:55] Larry Richmond Jr., he lies that he didn't know about the gun, he didn't steal the gun.

Speaker 15:
[32:01] I have some bad news for you, son. I think you're heading down the same path your dad's headed. I don't think things are going to work out too well here. So we'll just hang tight a couple minutes and...

Speaker 9:
[32:15] To my knowledge, I don't believe that Elizabeth knew that the others were in custody.

Speaker 7:
[32:20] After the funeral was over, Detective Keen and Detective Hands came and asked me, they said that they had a phone of mine and they had the key to my house. They would like to ask a few more questions.

Speaker 15:
[32:34] Detective Keen ran the first whole part of the interview, going back over what they talked about that night, confirming everything she said.

Speaker 17:
[32:40] Okay, so you get home in the four-port shop to get those ready.

Speaker 7:
[32:44] They actually... I just had the oven preheating, and I was getting ready to, you know, get the mac and cheese. I was getting it out of the cabinet, and I saw the truck lights come into the driveway, and then I heard these popping noises. Then I looked out the door, I saw Rob at the end of the driveway, shoved the door back, closed the door, and went running down the driveway.

Speaker 9:
[33:10] We felt that she was hiding something.

Speaker 15:
[33:12] And then when I showed her the raw data from her phone download... Do we know who this number is right here?

Speaker 7:
[33:20] I don't recognize it. They were showing me phone numbers, but there was no name to a phone number, and I kept telling them, I don't know that phone number.

Speaker 9:
[33:32] Leading up to Elizabeth's interview, we had gathered cell phone records, actual cell phone device records, and we knew there was a deleted phone call right before the 911 call.

Speaker 15:
[33:44] But you can't delete it off the company records. And this is the company records. This is straight from Sprint.

Speaker 10:
[33:49] I understand that.

Speaker 7:
[33:51] I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed.

Speaker 15:
[33:56] I knew that was a lie. So then you just kind of go, OK, why is she lying then?

Speaker 17:
[34:01] I've been honest with you from the get go. That's all I ask of you is your honesty.

Speaker 7:
[34:05] I understand that. I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed. I don't.

Speaker 15:
[34:12] You were able to tell us down to the sense how much you paid for your pork chops earlier that day at Walmart. But you can't remember who you had a phone call with just prior to your husband getting executed in your driveway. Just didn't ring right to me at all.

Speaker 8:
[34:23] Let me finish.

Speaker 15:
[34:25] Cannot change what happened. But you can change it from how it goes on here now by telling the truth. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do.

Speaker 8:
[34:34] OK.

Speaker 15:
[34:35] So take a deep breath and tell us who you talked to five minutes before your husband was killed in your driveway getting out of his truck in the back of the head. We're asking questions we know the answers to, Becky.

Speaker 9:
[34:59] This is the Evansville Police Department Adult Interview Suite. We have four interview rooms available to us. Throughout our time interviewing these subjects, we were determined that we were being lied to, there were inconsistencies in stories, and it took a good long while to start getting things sorted out where we had a good idea of what was happening.

Speaker 15:
[35:21] When you're in the interview room and they're lying, you try to never take police work personal.

Speaker 7:
[35:25] I honestly did not recognize the phone number.

Speaker 15:
[35:28] You just have to keep confronting them with the facts, and you just slowly work through the case.

Speaker 17:
[35:33] Just let it out. Just tell us the truth. You didn't orchestrate it, then what happened? Okay, then you didn't orchestrate it.

Speaker 1:
[35:39] I didn't know what was going to happen.

Speaker 15:
[35:40] And the questioning was, had you ever deleted anything off of your phone? And when she says no, the information I had in my file holder at the time, I knew that was a lie.

Speaker 7:
[35:51] Nothing in that conversation had anything to do with hurting anybody.

Speaker 17:
[35:54] Why delete it then?

Speaker 4:
[35:55] Because I didn't delete it.

Speaker 7:
[35:58] I deleted the phone call. I delete my phone calls every time I get off the phone with somebody, unless I talk to you regularly.

Speaker 14:
[36:08] She deletes absolutely everything. And I know for a fact, if I were to send her, you know, I love you, Mom, she would keep that and she would delete everything else. She will send a text message and then she will delete it. I don't know why.

Speaker 15:
[36:20] If you look at the timeline of the deleted phone call, just minutes before Robbie's killed and the 911 calls made. So that's a big deal. So who did you talk to five minutes before your husband was gunned down in the driveway? Becky, we know the answer. So you can let us do the talking for you or you can do the talking for yourself. And please tell the truth. So who was it?

Speaker 11:
[36:43] My sister's fiance.

Speaker 9:
[36:45] Elizabeth had deleted all of Larry Richmond Sr.'s phone calls in her phone.

Speaker 1:
[36:51] You knew.

Speaker 17:
[36:52] Not only did you know you talked to him that night, you knew you deleted it, and then you knew I was going to ask you about it when we came back in here.

Speaker 15:
[36:59] It's human behavior to try to protect yourself for like, oh my gosh, I'm into this, how am I going to get out of it? Maybe if I just stick with these lies.

Speaker 7:
[37:06] I didn't want you to think that I was having an affair with him because I have not had an affair.

Speaker 15:
[37:11] The way the interview went with Becky Fox-Dore, was it a perfect interview? No, because we didn't get her to truly confess. I think it was the next best thing.

Speaker 7:
[37:18] I didn't want to say that I had talked to him because that makes it look like I did it.

Speaker 15:
[37:24] She was denying the phone call, admitted she denied it. She knew she deleted the phone call. She hid it from us.

Speaker 13:
[37:30] Stand in front.

Speaker 3:
[37:34] New developments tonight in the murder of a firefighter in Indiana.

Speaker 4:
[37:38] Robbie Dore's wife tonight is in jail for deleting a phone call she allegedly received before calling 911.

Speaker 19:
[37:46] That moment was a moment of could she, would she, why would she? It was a whole gamut of emotion.

Speaker 9:
[38:00] Elizabeth was originally charged with the obstruction of justice. She soon was out on bond.

Speaker 16:
[38:12] Hurry, Junior, what's up, Dylan?

Speaker 9:
[38:15] Larry Jr. was walking a fine line between going to prison for a very long time and not. And it wasn't until much later in the same evening that he knocked on the door and said, hey, I need to talk to investigators again because I need to tell them something. He tells investigators, my dad has guns at Mandy's house.

Speaker 18:
[38:35] My dad said if anything was to go down, he would bury anything there.

Speaker 9:
[38:39] It is said that Larry Richmond Senior had buried a tote full of guns in the backyard of Mandy's house where he was living at the time. He's even caught on video doing this.

Speaker 15:
[38:52] The detectives came across a surveillance system from the house just directly to Mandy's, Larry's fiancee's house. It shows Larry coming out of the house in the evening with his box under his arm and grabbing some type of utensil. And going behind the garage and then coming back empty handed.

Speaker 11:
[39:15] One morning, I wake up, I'm sitting in the living room, and all of a sudden, there are police cars everywhere. That whole block, this whole block of Sheffield was full of police cars. And I'm like, get up here, see what's going on.

Speaker 15:
[39:33] And they searched the whole grounds, and when they got to that fire pit, they started digging. And they almost dug every square inch back here. I mean, they dug everywhere. I'm over the fence, and I said, what's going on? He says, well, we're hunting for stuff.

Speaker 21:
[39:50] And then I saw some guns, and they got other policemen's hands.

Speaker 15:
[39:54] I said, oh, that's what you're looking for. And he goes, yeah, we found several where the fire pit was. That box was taken to headquarters, and you could have heard a pin drop. They did it right. Our crime scene detective came in, and then slowly started processing that box. And we're all like, please take out a tourist judge or tourist judge ammunition.

Speaker 9:
[40:16] I remember being in the newsroom that day and hearing on the scanner that police were at the home and they had found some guns, but not the murder weapon.

Speaker 15:
[40:25] The murder weapon in Robbie Doar's murder has never been found.

Speaker 9:
[40:31] So at this point, police still do not have a murder weapon. They have not named a suspect. So we're wondering, what is their next step?

Speaker 19:
[40:39] I found something that raised the pinnacle of all flags. I mean, I can't even call it a red flag. It's like the sirens going off. There was a handwritten message that said, we need to talk.

Speaker 10:
[41:06] He was my best friend. He was the person I called when I was having a bad day. He was the person I called if I had a flat tire on the side of the road, if I just needed to talk. It was him. When my dad passed away, we were not in a great place. Me not liking Becky put a very big strain on our relationship.

Speaker 3:
[41:26] I wish he would have saw it.

Speaker 10:
[41:28] I wish he would have listened to me when he said he was going too fast. It's a lot of I wish.

Speaker 19:
[41:38] When my mother was arrested, I was like, no, they have the wrong person. This can't be. This is the woman who's helped raise me. No one ever thinks of their parent to be that person. The puzzle pieces started to fall into place. After the funeral, I was going through the condolence cards and I came across one that was from my aunt Mandy. I didn't quite know what to think of it at first, but it was that guttural instinct that said, this is not right.

Speaker 20:
[42:10] Like I said, my name is Anthony, I'm a detective.

Speaker 19:
[42:12] I need to get a hold of someone and I didn't have anyone to get a hold of except for one detective. I was going through condolence cards. Okay. And I found a card from Larry Richmond and my aunt Amanda. And there's a little slip of paper, like notebook paper, that said we need to talk with his phone number and Larry. It looks like he had written it on the corner of a notebook piece of paper and ripped it out.

Speaker 20:
[42:39] So this is kind of the last second?

Speaker 19:
[42:40] Last second thing. It wasn't written in the card. I think it was put in after like Mandy and him signed it.

Speaker 20:
[42:46] Okay.

Speaker 19:
[42:47] Because he's the one that presented it to my mother. He gripped that thing all the way up until it passed into my mother's hand.

Speaker 7:
[42:53] I don't know why he was trying to reach out that way. It doesn't make sense to me. He was standing right there when he handed it to us, so he could have just said what he needed to say right then.

Speaker 19:
[43:06] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[43:07] I'll be back in a second. Okay.

Speaker 19:
[43:10] That day, they asked me if I knew that he had had criminal history, and I said no, and they told me everything that he had done. That's kind of odd that we have a murder, 20-year sentence, he's out for a year and a half, and then another murder happens. Nobody knew that he had a criminal past at Thanksgiving.

Speaker 14:
[43:29] My aunt Mandy brought a convicted felon to a Christian household and had dinner with everybody, and didn't tell a single person that he had just gotten out of prison for murder.

Speaker 9:
[43:44] On that piece of paper was a phone that Larry Richmond Sr. was in possession of at the time of his arrest. He got that phone from a person named Laura Riggle. During our investigation, we did talk to Laura Riggle.

Speaker 20:
[44:00] We would like to know more about the nature of yours and Larry's relationship.

Speaker 24:
[44:06] Larry and I got to know each other more, I should say.

Speaker 17:
[44:11] It was in December before Christmas we started talking.

Speaker 12:
[44:14] Then we actually started seeing each other in January.

Speaker 20:
[44:17] You said seeing each other, you mean like on dates and stuff like that?

Speaker 24:
[44:20] Okay.

Speaker 8:
[44:21] I do know he lives with Mandy. She does not know.

Speaker 20:
[44:26] So what was going to happen between him and me?

Speaker 11:
[44:29] They would break it up.

Speaker 9:
[44:34] Through the course of our investigation, there were several women who were romantically involved with Larry Richmond Sr. around the time of the murder in February of 2019.

Speaker 20:
[44:45] What about him? Is that the woman he messes with?

Speaker 11:
[44:47] I didn't know about the others.

Speaker 20:
[44:49] What moment do you think that he could have for doing something if he did it?

Speaker 8:
[44:53] I can't imagine him doing it.

Speaker 20:
[44:56] There is no moment.

Speaker 15:
[44:58] The first night that we had contact with Mandy, she was a mess.

Speaker 11:
[45:02] I don't know. I'm not a troublemaker.

Speaker 1:
[45:04] I don't know.

Speaker 15:
[45:06] And then the next time, we had kind of built a little bit of a rapport with her. So let's go back further to the day that Robby gets killed. To your best recollection, where's Larry?

Speaker 1:
[45:23] I don't know.

Speaker 25:
[45:24] Mandy, why did you tell investigators that Larry was with you at home that night?

Speaker 13:
[45:29] Was Larry there?

Speaker 24:
[45:30] Yeah, we were all there.

Speaker 1:
[45:32] We were all there.

Speaker 17:
[45:34] Kids, Larry.

Speaker 24:
[45:37] Because he was with me all the time. He was there every night. I didn't know what night they were talking about.

Speaker 25:
[45:43] The night of the shooting.

Speaker 24:
[45:46] But I didn't know what night, that what.

Speaker 25:
[45:50] That's what they were talking to you about.

Speaker 24:
[45:51] I thought they meant, did he come home that night? Yes, he came home that night. I knew this was bad, but my first inclination wasn't, oh, what did you do?

Speaker 25:
[46:02] So they reveal, they tell you a lot of what's going on. They reveal some things to you.

Speaker 24:
[46:06] Oh, yes. I thought he was cheating on me.

Speaker 15:
[46:09] Okay. I can tell he was. I'm with a lot of women and we've had one just walked out of here, and we had one in here last night. Okay? So you're not the only one in this trick bag.

Speaker 25:
[46:21] So you had another life going on.

Speaker 24:
[46:22] Yeah. Girlfriends.

Speaker 25:
[46:24] Plural. Yeah. You don't think he was using you?

Speaker 24:
[46:27] No. For what?

Speaker 4:
[46:30] For what?

Speaker 24:
[46:32] I'm a train wreck.

Speaker 8:
[46:35] I got... This heart, about all I have to offer.

Speaker 1:
[46:41] Okay.

Speaker 15:
[46:42] Do you have any other suspicions that Larry and your sister had anything going on?

Speaker 1:
[46:48] Okay.

Speaker 15:
[46:49] Your sister is in custody for deleting a phone call. That was very important. And there's a five-minute phone call right before Robbie's murder. I mean, minutes before Robbie's murder.

Speaker 13:
[47:01] And guess who that came from?

Speaker 17:
[47:04] Larry.

Speaker 15:
[47:08] What do you think is going on between Larry and your sister?

Speaker 12:
[47:12] I thought even I was in free terms.

Speaker 11:
[47:15] That's what I thought.

Speaker 25:
[47:17] Were your sister, Becky and Larry, having an affair?

Speaker 24:
[47:21] That is the word.

Speaker 8:
[47:24] After the murder, Amanda Filmore was never a suspect, and police found her to be telling the truth.

Speaker 9:
[47:30] Mandy was never charged with anything in this case. Mandy was deeply in love with Larry Richmond Sr. in her mind that Larry had nothing to do with this.

Speaker 19:
[47:39] Looking back, it was very apparent. My mom had something to do with it. We wonder if your first question is, after your husband dies, what about his pension? I call her in a fit of anger, a murdering.

Speaker 14:
[48:12] It was strange being in the house by myself. I'm in Rob's house, who is no longer alive, and my mother is in question now for his murder. I felt terrible about even just being in his house. Why am I in his house and he's not?

Speaker 6:
[48:31] It's our top story tonight. Charges have been dropped against the wife of a murdered Evansville firefighter seven months after they were filed. Elizabeth Foxdorr was charged with obstruction of justice.

Speaker 19:
[48:44] My mother did finally get released from jail. She lived with me. She and I had some very tense conversations. Like, why do they believe that you did this? I don't know, Nathan. Well, why would they ever? Nathan, I don't know. Will I get any of it? How do I get a hold of it?

Speaker 9:
[49:14] The day after the murder, we were told by a spouse of a firefighter. She had showed up at the firehouse asking about his pension.

Speaker 7:
[49:24] Yes, I did ask about the pension after he was killed, because I had so many people asking me about his pension and his life insurance. That's why I went where I thought that I could find those answers.

Speaker 9:
[49:39] The fact that she was there the next day inquiring about a pension, that was definitely on her radar.

Speaker 15:
[49:49] Larry Richmond Jr. told us a lot about Larry Sr. I'm going to give you the floor here for a second, and I want you to tell me anything that you left out from the other night. Do you think your dad's involved in the murder of Robbie?

Speaker 1:
[50:00] I hope not.

Speaker 15:
[50:03] As far as Junior, it all didn't come out at one time. We didn't know about the affair until later. Has he ever talked about Becky before?

Speaker 18:
[50:12] He said one time that they went out to Pistons, and like, I guess Becky was drunk, and like, the firefighter dude was there too, and they was just dancing and doing all this, and Becky kept looking at him. He said she was cute and gone. Don't get your girl sister.

Speaker 1:
[50:32] What the f*** are you doing?

Speaker 18:
[50:35] I was like, did you f*** Becky? He was like, no. And then I asked him again, he was like, man, I had to. I was like, dog, you were down bad.

Speaker 6:
[50:51] An Evansville father and son are facing federal weapons charges.

Speaker 8:
[50:55] Junior did something terrible by stealing a gun, but he did take responsibility for it and eventually pleaded guilty. He didn't have any part in the murder.

Speaker 15:
[51:04] Larry Senior was convicted for possession of a handgun by a felon and having obliterated serial numbers. He was in custody, so we just kind of say, hey, let's slow everything down. He's not a threat to society.

Speaker 10:
[51:19] I thought it would be a simple, speedy process. And here we are one year later. The police. It didn't feel like they were making headway on what happened. And that's when my anger started to really set in.

Speaker 19:
[51:39] My mother got another boyfriend very quickly. And then she very quickly after that, almost like the next day, got another boyfriend. I have had several strong words about my mother in private, talking with a therapist, with police.

Speaker 1:
[51:58] Hey. She's engaged again. Engaged again? Yes. And like we just discussed, it hasn't even been a year.

Speaker 25:
[52:08] Correct.

Speaker 19:
[52:09] She had like two boyfriends before this gentleman.

Speaker 7:
[52:13] My oldest son, Nathan, misunderstood the situation. I was not engaged to a man after Rob died. I did have somebody ask me to marry them, but I told them that I didn't think that I would ever get married again.

Speaker 19:
[52:30] Mom, what's that on your hands? You have owned a thing. I called her in a fit of anger, a murdering...

Speaker 9:
[52:44] I believe it was a year into the case. Lead investigator Blake Keene did a press conference.

Speaker 17:
[52:51] What's the person of interest in this case?

Speaker 9:
[52:53] He identified Larry Richmond Sr. as a person of interest.

Speaker 17:
[52:57] 41-year-old Enzo resident Larry Holly Richmond Sr. Richmond Sr. had a relationship with the Dorf family. At the time, Robert was ex-cued.

Speaker 9:
[53:05] We were pleading for the public to, if they knew any information, to call in. There was the news conference, and then we didn't hear much at all after that.

Speaker 12:
[53:13] I'm glad they have a person of interest. But, you know, where do we go from here?

Speaker 9:
[53:20] There was then a big development in this case. An inmate who was locked up with Larry Senior told investigators that Larry Senior confessed to killing Robbie. Muhammad reached out to the Evansville Police Department. He reported that Senior and him had confided in each other. They were bunk mates.

Speaker 18:
[53:39] This is Detective King and Detective Lewis.

Speaker 20:
[53:43] It is August 25th, around 1643 hours. Here with Muhammad.

Speaker 17:
[53:51] Who are you talking about?

Speaker 1:
[53:52] Larry, are we reaching him?

Speaker 18:
[53:54] Are we reaching him?

Speaker 1:
[53:55] Okay. He mentioned he killed a firefighter in Ebony, Indiana. He said he saw Roberts in front of his house at night time. Because a lot of beneficial things will be like him.

Speaker 9:
[54:22] It appeared that the information from Muhammad was somewhat accurate, according to our theory of the case. There was information that was not shared publicly, that was known in what he had reported.

Speaker 7:
[54:37] How is this cell person supposed to know that we're having an affair? Did he witness it, or are we just grasping at straws? I never had an affair with Larry Richmond Sr., never. There was nothing between us.

Speaker 9:
[54:52] Shortly after Larry Richmond Sr. is named a person of interest in this case, investigators want to get a hold of his cell phone to see if it could hold any clues.

Speaker 15:
[55:01] Our hypothesis is that Larry Richmond Sr. had his phone on him, and that the location data can put him at the scene of the crime at 7:05 p.m. Unfortunately, we didn't have that information.

Speaker 16:
[55:14] Larry Richmond Sr. did not want to provide a passcode to the phone.

Speaker 9:
[55:18] There was frustration. The family was frustrated. We were frustrated. We felt like we were close, and you just needed this one big break to really push this case forward.

Speaker 14:
[55:47] Rob was a firefighter. It's not the kind of case that just goes cold. Everybody wants an answer.

Speaker 10:
[55:52] It was very trying. It's frustrating. It's heartbreaking. It feels like an eternity.

Speaker 15:
[56:10] Yeah, I'll just say, you're gonna leave your hand.

Speaker 1:
[56:11] Yes, sir.

Speaker 13:
[56:13] Put your hands behind your back.

Speaker 9:
[56:14] When Larry Richmond, Sr. was taken into custody on March 4th of 2019...

Speaker 18:
[56:19] Tell me what's going on.

Speaker 5:
[56:20] I'll let somebody else tell you that...

Speaker 9:
[56:22] .we seized two phones from him. We got search warrants for those phones, but what ultimately slowed us down was we didn't have a passcode for Larry's iPhone.

Speaker 15:
[56:34] I'm John Carter.

Speaker 22:
[56:35] I'm a criminal investigator with the High Tech Crime Unit out of the Vanderbilt County Prosecutor's Office.

Speaker 15:
[56:40] The equipment that the Evansville Police Department had at the time, you had to have a passcode in order to get the information from the phone, which is where we took over with our new tools and techniques to acquire that passcode.

Speaker 9:
[56:55] The computer system just runs an algorithm of passwords, and we have no say in how long that is.

Speaker 15:
[57:02] Those algorithms can take seconds. We've had phones that have taken up to two years. I believe in this particular case, it was anywhere between six to eight months.

Speaker 9:
[57:12] I remember that day well that John called me and said, hey, we got into Larry Senior's phone. We have the content.

Speaker 15:
[57:20] Utilizing the digital evidence that we discovered from his phone, we were able to build a bigger picture of what had occurred that night.

Speaker 9:
[57:31] In the six o'clock hour, Larry Richmond Senior's phone is all within that area of the door residence, as if he's just slithering, snaking around. There's foot traffic and then eventually in the alley from 631 to 639.

Speaker 15:
[57:49] This guy is able to be in the alley at the exact time a fireman comes home.

Speaker 9:
[57:56] Shortly after, he's talking to Elizabeth on the phone at 646 to 651.

Speaker 15:
[58:03] In the interview with Becky Fox Door, we got her to admit that, yes, I told him he would be home shortly.

Speaker 9:
[58:11] We don't know where Larry's location was between 652 and 714, because his phone is powered off. It's not until you actually came to this alley and saw it with your own eyes you can really understand now where he was. This is the path that Robbie took the last moments of his life. He would have turned north here on Oakley to get to his house. This was not a normal time for Robbie to be coming home.

Speaker 8:
[58:45] He was picking up his shift for someone else, which was also important because it meant he came home at night. Normally his shift would dictate that he would work and come home in the morning.

Speaker 9:
[58:54] And there was only one person that would know that Robbie's on his way home, or what time he's expected home, and that's Elizabeth.

Speaker 15:
[59:05] His bar is her cooking that night and preparing dinner for Robbie. In my personal opinion, Robbie Dorr is never going to eat those pork chops that night. I truly believe that this timeline was set up.

Speaker 19:
[59:16] Fact is this, she's at home, she's making dinner, there's someone waiting, Larry, with a gun. My dad pulls into a driveway, and he literally, quite literally runs out of his shoes to get away. To get away. I don't think his door was even shut before shots started going off.

Speaker 7:
[59:44] I don't know how to explain Larry Senior, the evidence, digital of him being around the house. I don't know how to explain that. I do know that his mother lives very close by like, I think, a street over. All I know is, I did not know he was around the house.

Speaker 19:
[60:06] I think that she 100% knows what happened on that conversation with Larry.

Speaker 4:
[60:16] Yeah, yeah, I just heard shots fired. 1st Avenue, Colorado, it's the alley behind. How many did you hear?

Speaker 1:
[60:24] Five.

Speaker 24:
[60:26] The night that Rob got murdered, Larry said he was gonna go to his mom's house and move some furniture. Long story short, I get there, he's not there. He's gone to run an errand for his mother.

Speaker 9:
[60:39] We had a residence here that heard the shooting. They heard all five shots and stepped out onto their front porch and watched a subject sprint from one side of the street to the other and disappearing between homes and businesses. At 7-11 p.m., video surveillance shows that he's arrived at Circle K and he powers his phone back up while he's at Circle K at 7-14 p.m. And once we reviewed that video surveillance, we noticed, you know, it's February, it's cold. And Larry is only wearing some shoes, some jeans and a sleeveless t-shirt. We thought that was a little odd, but, you know, it seemed to us that Larry didn't have a care in the world.

Speaker 15:
[61:26] We never stop on cases, and especially on a murder case. We had to take all of the different pieces, provide what our theory was, essentially, and then allow a jury to decide.

Speaker 16:
[61:39] A short while ago, Larry Richmond Sr. and Elizabeth Foxdorr were charged with the murder of Robbie.

Speaker 10:
[61:44] When they finally told me they were going to charge both of them with murder, I was like, well, all right, let's go. We've got this.

Speaker 9:
[61:51] It absolutely led our news that night.

Speaker 4:
[61:54] Foxdorr is charged with murder alongside Larry Richmond Sr. I didn't do it.

Speaker 24:
[62:00] That is the truth.

Speaker 11:
[62:02] I didn't do it.

Speaker 7:
[62:04] If you're asking me if I shot and killed Robbie Dorr, no, I did not.

Speaker 17:
[62:08] Your son says you smashed that f**king d**k. Talking about that.

Speaker 1:
[62:11] Never.

Speaker 17:
[62:12] Come on.

Speaker 18:
[62:13] Never.

Speaker 1:
[62:14] Never happened. Never happened.

Speaker 7:
[62:16] Oh, I was very surprised to be charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder. I was shocked.

Speaker 21:
[62:25] They don't want you to listen to the truth. I felt like I just listened to a screenplay of a crime novel that was based entirely on fiction.

Speaker 23:
[62:48] Elizabeth Foxdorr is charged with murder and conspiring with Larry Richmond to commit that murder. Her trial is scheduled to be heard first. She's pleaded not guilty. If she's convicted, she could face up to life in prison.

Speaker 21:
[63:03] My name is Mark Phillips, and I am lead counsel in the trial involving our client, Becky Foxdorr.

Speaker 9:
[63:09] My name is Rob Phillips, and I'm the co-counsel in the case of Becky Foxdorr.

Speaker 21:
[63:13] You have heard supposition that there was a conversation between Larry and Becky about a murder, and that's not true.

Speaker 8:
[63:25] I'm Diana Merce. I'm the Vandenberg County prosecutor. This was the first murder case that I took on as the elected prosecutor, so the pressure was on. I didn't intend for any of this to happen. This is what the defendant told detectives who were questioning her that night about the death of her husband. Becky Foxdorr was the co-conspirator, not the shooter, and so in a conspiracy case, you have to prove a meeting of the minds, and you know, you're doing that with circumstantial evidence. They have a phone conversation around the time of the murder. It lasts for four minutes and 18 seconds, and then he turns his phone off. His phone's completely black with no data at all.

Speaker 9:
[64:02] Around 7, 12 p.m., Larry Richmond Sr. pulls up in a Ford Taurus, and soon after, enters the store and then leaves.

Speaker 8:
[64:11] Just 15 minutes before Robbie Dorr was ambushed and killed, the defendant spoke with Larry Richmond Sr. on the phone. As soon as the defendant was finished talking, she deleted that phone call.

Speaker 21:
[64:25] The only thing that she did was not remember the deletion of a call and that that somehow morphed into this conspiracy theory.

Speaker 17:
[64:35] By that time, did you delete Larry's phone number?

Speaker 7:
[64:37] It is a habit for me to delete phone calls because Larry's not a person I normally talk to, so I delete it. It's ridiculous that it's about a phone call that I took and I deleted.

Speaker 6:
[64:50] The defense says there's no evidence suggesting their client planned the killing and today they tried to hammer that point home by grilling the original detective in the case.

Speaker 21:
[64:58] There was a phone conversation that you asked Becky about at some point, correct?

Speaker 1:
[65:03] Correct.

Speaker 21:
[65:04] And you allege it's with Larry Richmond Sr., right?

Speaker 1:
[65:07] It is, yes.

Speaker 21:
[65:08] Is that correct?

Speaker 1:
[65:08] Yes. Okay. Yes.

Speaker 21:
[65:10] You have no idea what they talked about, do you?

Speaker 1:
[65:11] No.

Speaker 21:
[65:12] And you know who initiated that call, don't you?

Speaker 1:
[65:15] He did.

Speaker 21:
[65:16] In fact, in your investigation, you don't have any evidence that Becky Durr ever initiated a phone conversation of any kind with Larry Richmond Sr., correct?

Speaker 1:
[65:25] Correct.

Speaker 2:
[65:26] Fox Store and Richmond Sr. may have been romantically involved.

Speaker 8:
[65:31] She has photos with him, she spent holidays with him, and they even went on a double date with her sister. And Robbie Durr.

Speaker 6:
[65:40] There was a dramatic moment at the end of the day today. The son of co-defendant Larry Richmond Sr., he took the stand.

Speaker 13:
[65:46] Larry Jr. was a good witness. He didn't want his father bringing him down. And he knew if he didn't tell the truth, that it would. Do you know the defendant in this case, Elizabeth Fox Store, have you ever met her?

Speaker 18:
[65:59] Yes.

Speaker 13:
[66:00] She got into the vehicle and that's the first time you saw her? And did anything happen before she got out of the car?

Speaker 18:
[66:06] They kissed.

Speaker 13:
[66:07] They kissed? And was it a mutual kiss, or could you tell?

Speaker 18:
[66:11] Yes, they both winged in.

Speaker 7:
[66:13] I did not have an affair with him. I had no relationship with him. His relationship was with my sister.

Speaker 9:
[66:21] Larry Richmond Jr. took the stand and told a story about seeing his father kiss Becky behind Robbie Doar's home in approximately March of 2018.

Speaker 21:
[66:31] And if there's evidence in this trial that she didn't even live there in March of 2018, that put a dent in your story, wouldn't it?

Speaker 18:
[66:40] Yes.

Speaker 21:
[66:41] You didn't know who she was before your dad got out of prison, correct?

Speaker 18:
[66:46] I may have had my time dates mixed in with the next set.

Speaker 21:
[66:49] No, I didn't ask you that. Is that your sworn testimony here today?

Speaker 18:
[66:53] Yes.

Speaker 9:
[66:54] Larry Richmond Sr. hadn't even been released from prison at that point. Not only that, Becky Fox Door wasn't even living with Robbie Door at that point.

Speaker 2:
[67:03] The prosecution inquired about whether Fox Door might have been motivated by financial gain.

Speaker 13:
[67:08] Raise your right hand.

Speaker 8:
[67:09] Did your mother ever talk to you about the firefighter pension after the murder of Robbie Door?

Speaker 19:
[67:15] Yes.

Speaker 8:
[67:16] When's the first time she brought that conversation up?

Speaker 19:
[67:19] From my remembrance, almost the same night.

Speaker 8:
[67:23] And how many times did you say that she talked to you about it?

Speaker 19:
[67:28] We had a conversation about it daily and I got frustrated several times and I was like, Mom, there are procedures we have to go through to get to that point. There were times it looked as if like someone had just like gut punched her. It was sad to see this woman you grew up with sitting there. Her hair wasn't done like she normally would do it. Her makeup wasn't done. It was different and I think it made it a little bit harder for me to be on the stand with her in the room looking the way that she did.

Speaker 7:
[68:05] When Nathan started testifying, it was like he flipped the switch and just turned into somebody else.

Speaker 10:
[68:13] It was pretty hard to watch.

Speaker 21:
[68:15] You know your mom was not a beneficiary for purposes of any financial benefit, correct?

Speaker 19:
[68:22] I don't know who's beneficiary on anything.

Speaker 21:
[68:24] If you were to learn that your mom had no financial interest as a result of Robbie's death, would that surprise you?

Speaker 19:
[68:31] I mean, she, no.

Speaker 7:
[68:34] I was not motivated to kill him for his pension. I didn't kill him. Rob and I hadn't even talked about life insurance or pension or any of that. We were just being married.

Speaker 21:
[68:48] They don't want you to listen to the truth. I felt like I just listened to a screenplay of a crime novel that was based entirely on fiction.

Speaker 13:
[69:00] I ask you to return the only verdict that's justified by the evidence in this case, murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

Speaker 15:
[69:08] With that, you may begin your deliberation.

Speaker 1:
[69:10] All right.

Speaker 8:
[69:12] As prosecutors, you know who's guilty, right? But that's not good enough. The standard is beyond reasonable doubt.

Speaker 9:
[69:18] When the jury returned a verdict, I can just remember being out on the set and the producer telling me in my ear, we're going to air it live.

Speaker 10:
[69:26] I close my eyes and tears just start flowing.

Speaker 15:
[69:47] State of Indiana vs. Elizabeth, Joanne Fox-Dourer, verdict.

Speaker 4:
[69:51] The courtroom was tense in the moments leading up to the verdict reading, and after more than four hours, the jury reached a decision.

Speaker 15:
[69:59] We the jury find the defendant guilty of count one.

Speaker 10:
[70:03] I held my aunt's hand, and I held Nathan's hand, and I closed my eyes, and tears just start flowing.

Speaker 15:
[70:11] We the jury find the defendant guilty of count two.

Speaker 10:
[70:15] Like, that is all we could have ever hoped for.

Speaker 19:
[70:20] Thank God this is done. Thank God Dad can rest peacefully.

Speaker 7:
[70:27] When I heard the guilty verdict, I couldn't believe it. They got it wrong. They got it wrong. And all I could think was, this is my life you're playing with.

Speaker 9:
[70:46] Beccy would later be sentenced by a judge 90 years in prison. So basically, she will be spending the rest of her life behind bars.

Speaker 12:
[70:54] All right.

Speaker 7:
[70:55] It's horrible. I mean, I'm not guilty. There are people that are guilty and say they're guilty, that get way less time than I'm looking at.

Speaker 19:
[71:18] The next time that she is going to be a part of the free world will be in a funeral, in a graveyard somewhere.

Speaker 14:
[71:26] Everybody just has this idea that she's this villainous woman that was out for money. And I want more people to see the actual good side of her, the kind of person that she actually is. It's not adding up. There's something missing.

Speaker 24:
[71:43] It's awful to watch people that you love suffer their consequences.

Speaker 25:
[71:50] And do bad things. Do you believe your sister, Becky, plotted to kill Robbie?

Speaker 24:
[71:57] I don't think that it matters what I think.

Speaker 25:
[72:00] You don't have an opinion about whether Becky and Larry plotted to kill Robbie?

Speaker 24:
[72:06] The rational part of my brain says it would appear such, but I think the irrational heart is still begging the universe for a different answer.

Speaker 4:
[72:17] Police say back in 2019, Richmond conspired with Elizabeth Fox Door to murder Robert Door in the driveway of his home. His trial in the murder case is set to begin in December.

Speaker 3:
[72:30] I got a call from the state public defender. They were looking for someone who was qualified to handle a life without parole case.

Speaker 17:
[72:37] She sent me an e-mail and said, would I be interested?

Speaker 9:
[72:39] I said, well, this might be one of the only times I get a case like this, so let's give a shot. The murder trial of Larry Richmond Senior. He's the man accused of shooting and killing Evansville firefighter Robert Door. During Becky's case, we heard all this testimony and saw a lot of the evidence at that time, so we knew what to expect going into this one.

Speaker 17:
[72:58] The whole conceit of the state's case is that this was a murder for hire.

Speaker 9:
[73:02] Day two of testimony in a high profile murder trial in Evansville. Today, jurors heard from someone at the center of the case.

Speaker 8:
[73:10] You know, we're relying heavily on witness testimony, so Mandy, the night of, where is Larry Richmond?

Speaker 25:
[73:16] Larry's trial, what was that like?

Speaker 7:
[73:20] Just sad.

Speaker 25:
[73:22] And the essence of what you said at the stand, what was it?

Speaker 24:
[73:27] That I didn't know where he was.

Speaker 25:
[73:29] That you didn't know where he was?

Speaker 24:
[73:30] That he wasn't at his mom's. But like I said, he came back so fast, I didn't think anything of it.

Speaker 25:
[73:39] So they tell you the phone is pinging at the scene of the crime, then you see him going into that gas station. What conclusions do you come to?

Speaker 24:
[73:48] He was holding a cigarette.

Speaker 8:
[73:51] I think that she was having problems and maybe still is grasping that he did this, but I just found her to be just honest and open and able to tell the jury her story because she was telling the truth.

Speaker 3:
[74:05] Larry was never at the Fox Doors house during the time of the shooting. He was at his mom's house the entire time. Larry was involved with a lot of women, so his phone was constantly ringing, and so mom had said, hey, turn your phone off, spend time with me, and then he goes to get gas, turns his phone back on, and then we see him at the gas station.

Speaker 8:
[74:26] This is a circumstantial evidence case, and the evidence was just piled up high against their client.

Speaker 9:
[74:32] The fates of an Evansville man is now in the hands of a jury. I think they deliberated for around 11 hours or so.

Speaker 12:
[74:40] We the jury find the defendant, Larry Olly Richmond, guilty of murder.

Speaker 3:
[74:47] I was hurt. I was sad for Larry because that was not what I had envisioned. I had not envisioned hearing one word. I had envisioned hearing two words.

Speaker 10:
[74:59] This is the end and we can finally be able to put this past us and be able to just grieve the way we need to instead of it being thrown in our face constantly.

Speaker 9:
[75:10] The man convicted of killing an Evansville firefighter seven years ago will spend the rest of his life in prison.

Speaker 24:
[75:18] Oh, some days I'm madder than hell. It was seven years ago. I have to like sometimes I just have to put it in the past and be like, okay, this is where we are now. He does not say he does it. He to this day did not do it.

Speaker 25:
[75:32] Well, then you understand he's lying to you.

Speaker 1:
[75:34] Right.

Speaker 24:
[75:36] And himself.

Speaker 25:
[75:37] People watching this are going to ask what keeps her connected to Larry after everything you've been through.

Speaker 10:
[75:55] After everything happened, my mom was angry, but she still loved him, and I don't think she has ever stopped loving him.

Speaker 25:
[76:03] People watching this are gonna ask, what keeps her connected to Larry after everything you've been through?

Speaker 24:
[76:11] I think over the course of time, I've been through so many ups and downs with do I believe it, don't I believe it, and then I'm talking to him, and he's convinced me that he didn't do it, and then I get more information, and it's just I've gone back and forth so many times that I've just decided that he's another human being that God has given me to love.

Speaker 25:
[76:34] Is he seeing anyone else?

Speaker 24:
[76:35] I don't know probably. I hear that's what the inmates do, but I have no way of knowing. I don't ever know.

Speaker 25:
[76:44] Would that matter to you?

Speaker 24:
[76:46] No.

Speaker 25:
[76:46] So you're still sort of together. You're still.

Speaker 24:
[76:49] Yeah. We are.

Speaker 25:
[76:51] Engaged.

Speaker 24:
[76:52] Yeah. But, yeah. But I'm also, God, I just feel so stupid when I talk about it, but I get what I need from him.

Speaker 25:
[77:07] From Larry.

Speaker 24:
[77:07] Yeah. He wants to talk to me in the morning. He wants me to tell him when I'm home safe from work. He has begged me not to leave him. He says he needs me, and I like, I want to be loved and wanted and needed and all the things.

Speaker 25:
[77:27] You regret bringing him into your family?

Speaker 24:
[77:29] I mean, yeah, look at us now.

Speaker 9:
[77:39] This whole case is built upon one thing, a deleted phone call.

Speaker 7:
[77:45] I don't know if my life would have unfolded differently if I had just told them about the phone call. They still, I think, honestly, I think I'd still be in the same spot. They would still think that we had had an affair. They would still think that, you know, I conspired. They would, they grabbed a hold of me and didn't let go.

Speaker 24:
[78:11] Becky was loving. Becky was love, you know? Becky's not evil. Becky's not a monster. Becky's not all these things everybody thinks she is.

Speaker 25:
[78:22] Do you talk to her?

Speaker 24:
[78:23] No. I mean, I wrote her a letter and I told her that, if it was true, that I forgave her, and that if it wasn't true, that I was sorry this was all happening.

Speaker 7:
[78:38] This is still very hard to take. I mean, all of this, this... To realize that this is my life. Rob was a sweetheart. He was a good person to everybody. He became my best friend. And I miss him every day.

Speaker 9:
[79:23] At the Evansville Fire Department, their newest fire truck then, they dedicated that in honor of Robbie. He has a fire engine that will do what he used to do, roll up to the scenes now, and protect people and save people's lives.

Speaker 19:
[79:42] Dad can finally rest. He deserved more than what he got. He deserved not for that to happen.

Speaker 10:
[79:55] I'll never be able to call him. I'll never get to hear his voice. I'll never get to hug him again.

Speaker 19:
[80:09] He should still be here, with mine and Lindsay's kids, to be a grandparent to these children. And they're missing out. We're missing out.

Speaker 10:
[80:28] It's now yours.

Speaker 18:
[80:30] I know.

Speaker 9:
[80:31] It's big. A family still remembering, and we should point out that Robbie's wife, Becky, had her appeal denied. Her relationship with son, Nathaniel, remained strained. He tells us he will never visit her in prison.

Speaker 13:
[80:48] Meanwhile, David, convicted gunman Larry Richmond Sr. declined our interview request, but tells us he will appeal his conviction. That's our program for tonight. Thanks for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts.

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