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Speaker 1:
[00:00] Oops, all Time Crisis. On today's show, we cook up some half-baked ideas. We dig deep on perhaps the greatest American rock band of the last 40 years. All this, plus a Gen X challenge with Rashida Jones, and a little taste of John Frusciante's solo material.

Speaker 2:
[00:25] On Time Crisis with Ezra Koenig.

Speaker 1:
[01:17] Time Crisis back again. You're coming live in the middle of a conversation that I can't believe that 50% of the Crisis Crew doesn't know about frame mogging and, what's his name, Clavicular?

Speaker 2:
[01:29] Clavicular's generational run.

Speaker 1:
[01:31] Of course, Jake wouldn't know, but Seinfeld, you're an internet guy.

Speaker 3:
[01:35] Yeah, I'm up on all this. I'm up on the mogging and the looks maxing and the, I don't call him Clav, I'm on the nickname basis, like Weidenfeld 2000 here, but Ezra, are you part of the looks maxing community or what's happening here?

Speaker 1:
[01:52] Yeah, looks maxing, it's kind of like the written word. It was invented in many places around the earth. Just people had different ideas about it. So yeah, I've been looks maxing from a young age, doing my best. Have you done any Seinfeld looks maxing content? Is it like George comes in and his jawline's crazy?

Speaker 3:
[02:14] Friends, I have not tweeted about Seinfeld and many a moon, I've been slipping. I need to come back to it. Culture has gotten a little too crazy. So no, I haven't.

Speaker 1:
[02:24] So like Seinfeld 2000 is like a dead account?

Speaker 3:
[02:26] Let's say it's on hiatus.

Speaker 1:
[02:28] You should let Clavicular take it over for a month. You'll probably have 10 million followers by the end.

Speaker 3:
[02:33] Oh my God.

Speaker 1:
[02:34] I did have to look up recently the word mogging because I heard somebody use it and I realized I had no idea about the what the etymology was. And now wait, now I forgot. Wait, does mog stand for something? I think it's an acronym.

Speaker 3:
[02:47] It's derived from alpha male of the group, a mog, which I guess they've dropped a.

Speaker 1:
[02:53] That's pretty fun. I guess that's just how language works sometimes. Now, to say you're the alpha male of the group, that makes sense. You a mogged somebody. But then when you drop the a, it just becomes male of group, which I want to let everybody out there, any guy out there, if you're struggling, you feel like your jawline is not looking good. You don't feel good about in this competitive world. Just remember, you are a male of group. You might not be alpha male of group, but you're a male of group. The group is the world, and you're a male, male of group.

Speaker 4:
[03:24] And if you're not liked on your jawline, grow a beard.

Speaker 1:
[03:27] Right?

Speaker 4:
[03:28] Ancient technology.

Speaker 3:
[04:07] Are you all up in the jaws or sides? It's like a thing that you chew.

Speaker 1:
[04:11] Is that really how these guys turn into like jaw freaks?

Speaker 2:
[04:15] There's that gum that's supposed to increase your jawline.

Speaker 1:
[04:20] Oh, yeah. And some of it is like that is ancient technology. Mastic gum. People like chew on it. It's like a type of sap or something.

Speaker 2:
[04:26] But was that for look maxing?

Speaker 1:
[04:29] No, I think it was just something to chew on.

Speaker 4:
[04:34] Dude, you know what happened? The caveman blew out his ACL. Then he was like, I gotta figure out a way to compensate for this. I have to invent looks maxing.

Speaker 1:
[04:43] Because back then, back in the caveman times, you blow out your ACL nine times out of ten, you're going to be left for dead.

Speaker 4:
[04:50] Right.

Speaker 1:
[04:50] You see, you have to bring something to the table that the rest of the 25 to 35 roaming unit on the savannas of Africa cannot ignore.

Speaker 4:
[05:01] You have to make the other guys self-conscious about their appearance.

Speaker 3:
[05:04] Yo, Neanderthal Jake would have had such an advantage with like the cave paintings.

Speaker 4:
[05:09] That's true.

Speaker 3:
[05:10] Like you would have just outmog the cave painters, right?

Speaker 4:
[05:15] I would have been like, I'm too frail and weak to go out on the savanna and kill and hunt, but I will make art join me in my cave.

Speaker 1:
[05:24] Art changed the game. You're an art mogger. That's the real A.

Speaker 4:
[05:29] Yeah, trip on that, Clav.

Speaker 1:
[05:30] Art male of group.

Speaker 3:
[05:32] Jake out here, art maxing on all of this.

Speaker 1:
[05:36] Jake's next gallery show, Alpha Art.

Speaker 4:
[05:39] I like art maxing.

Speaker 1:
[05:40] Art maxed. I mean, hey, listen.

Speaker 2:
[05:44] Art male of group is a good name for his show.

Speaker 1:
[05:48] Presenting Art Male of Group. And the ultimate flex is it's not a group show. Art Male of Group, a solo show by Jake Longstreth. Speaking of cavemen tearing his ACL, I made a list. Some of these are old ideas, but I feel like Time Crisis now, because it got a pretty good reaction from you guys, is a place I can share half-baked ideas. So I actually made a list of half-baked ideas. I thought maybe every time I get to a decent number, I'll kind of just let it come out on TSA. So these are very half-baked. Maybe you guys can take them to the next level. This is how we do it. Maybe some of these can turn into million dollar ideas. Okay, my first idea is a kid at a family function, and both of his grandmas are there, and he refers to it as a rare crossover event. You see what I mean?

Speaker 5:
[06:42] It's like it's hanging there. Can we do something with that?

Speaker 1:
[06:47] Nana, Grandma T, rare crossover event.

Speaker 5:
[06:51] How can we monetize that? It's not quite a joke.

Speaker 4:
[06:55] It's not quite a business proposition. It's more of just a movie.

Speaker 5:
[07:01] Is it a TV, a limited series, an HBO prestige series?

Speaker 1:
[07:06] It's about two grandmas.

Speaker 2:
[07:07] Is it specifically grandmas? Or could it be like any time you're sort of in-laws or families get together, we take away in-laws and we just call these events rare? Like a Thanksgiving is a rare crossover event.

Speaker 1:
[07:19] My idea was particularly about a kid going up to his two grandmas. Logically speaking, you could call almost anything a rare crossover event. There's just something about a 12 year old boy going like, I don't know, like, did you guys have different names for your grandmas? Or is it just grandma and grandma?

Speaker 2:
[07:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[07:35] Like what were yours called?

Speaker 4:
[07:37] Jan and Gigi.

Speaker 1:
[07:39] Yeah. So imagine young Jake, Jan and Gigi, rare crossover event.

Speaker 5:
[07:44] Like at a barbecue.

Speaker 3:
[07:46] I think it's a tech thing. I think it's the RCE app where it's almost like a bumble, but you can connect like elderly, like family members. It's aimed at that generation. It's like a gen alpha app where you can connect elders and bring them all into the same social space.

Speaker 4:
[08:04] You mean like a tech thread?

Speaker 1:
[08:05] Some different great uncles. Like you guys should know each other.

Speaker 2:
[08:09] I'm just thinking if it was an app where if you pressed it, it would just put you on a face with your two grandmas and just like how many kids would want that?

Speaker 5:
[08:24] Well, what if it's an app that puts it's like those random chat ones? It's like Chatroulette, but it's two grandmas, they're not...

Speaker 2:
[08:37] But a kid, it's a kid who gets hooked up with two random older ladies.

Speaker 3:
[08:42] But it's frictionless, like I like where you're going because it's frictionless. It's one click, it's like Amazon Prime. One button, boom, every grandma.

Speaker 5:
[08:52] It's just like the gnarliest fights.

Speaker 4:
[10:08] Alright, what's the next one?

Speaker 5:
[10:09] This one actually makes me laugh, but I've always...

Speaker 1:
[10:14] You know how like a lot of times you go to a restaurant, or a hotel, or even somebody's house, and they have the soap and the lotion is identical?

Speaker 4:
[10:23] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[10:24] And you go to put some soap on your hands, and it's like, it's lotion?

Speaker 3:
[10:28] Yeah.

Speaker 5:
[10:29] And it's kind of annoying.

Speaker 1:
[10:31] And I mean, most of the time, like I don't need the lotion anyway, I'm just here to wash my hands. But to me, it's in this uncomfortable middle ground where it's just annoying. But I have an idea for a hotel, or a restaurant, or maybe at somebody's house, where every once in a while we do, oops, all lotion.

Speaker 5:
[10:48] So you go to wash your hands and it's lotion, and then you go to the other one, it's lotion too. So that's my idea, oops, oops, all lotion.

Speaker 4:
[10:57] So kind of like a prank.

Speaker 5:
[11:01] To me, it's more of a business.

Speaker 4:
[11:02] I thought your idea was going to be for labels. Clearly legible labels.

Speaker 2:
[11:08] But I still think you sometimes will mess up.

Speaker 5:
[11:11] Lotion.

Speaker 1:
[11:12] No, you're totally right, Jake, because these brands, especially the fancy brands like Aesop or something, it's like you need to put on your glasses and go, come on, we don't have time for that.

Speaker 4:
[11:23] And you know, I'm 49, I need my readers. But I'm not carrying them around if I'm going into the bathroom.

Speaker 1:
[11:29] Yeah, especially at a dark, trendy restaurant. You're already in a bad mode because you're like, come on, guys, why do we call this business dinner at a dark, trendy restaurant?

Speaker 5:
[11:38] Could have been an email.

Speaker 1:
[11:40] Maybe it should be like salt and pepper shakers, where it's like a big S for soap and a big L for lotion.

Speaker 4:
[11:44] I just had a half baked idea.

Speaker 3:
[11:46] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[11:47] So speaking of low lit restaurants and eating reading glasses, I'm at the point where I'm busting out the iPhone flashlight to look at the menu, which is very bright and glaring. I had an idea. What if you could have like on your Apple watch, your wristwatch, there was a very discreet, warm LED light that's on the bottom or somewhere on the watch, maybe on like the bottom of the strap. So you could very discreetly light the menu.

Speaker 3:
[12:15] You're talking like an Edison bulb.

Speaker 4:
[12:17] Yeah, like a warm LED, something that was just a little more discreet. So you didn't have to bust up.

Speaker 1:
[12:22] Well, I like the idea of an Edison bulb on your wrist. That would really play for millennials.

Speaker 3:
[12:26] Like an angler fish, like one of those like, one of those deep sea fish that has like a tasteful, you know what I'm talking about? That's built into their head. You know, those weird ass fish.

Speaker 4:
[12:35] Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3:
[12:36] You pull it out, it's an Edison bulb.

Speaker 4:
[12:38] Oh, I see what you're saying. Like retracted into the watch.

Speaker 1:
[12:42] Is the point, Jake, that it's a little embarrassing to be the old guy with the flashlight on your phone?

Speaker 4:
[12:48] It's not embarrassing. It's just that the light, the flashlight on the phone is like kind of intense.

Speaker 1:
[12:53] It's too much.

Speaker 4:
[12:54] It's like there's like a harsh glare.

Speaker 2:
[12:57] Have you seen some old person do it and just hit and been in a restaurant and it hits the menu and just catches you right in the eye?

Speaker 4:
[13:06] Oh yeah, like if the menu is laminated.

Speaker 5:
[13:08] It's dangerous.

Speaker 1:
[13:10] When you really think about it.

Speaker 4:
[14:02] Okay, what's your next poem?

Speaker 1:
[14:03] With playing cards, we should make the clubs red and the diamonds black.

Speaker 5:
[14:09] Hear me out.

Speaker 4:
[14:09] Damn.

Speaker 1:
[14:10] Picture it. Hearts are red, obviously. Diamonds are red, fine. Why are the two that look the most similar, the spades and the clubs the same color? Isn't that crazy? That's crazy. And I think black diamond means something. It's cool, right? In skiing, that means you're doing a hard slope. So I think we should switch it to black diamonds and red clubs.

Speaker 4:
[14:34] I like it, because also a red diamond, you're thinking blood diamond. Who wants that?

Speaker 1:
[14:38] Exactly. Okay, so this one we could actually put into practice immediately. Time Crisis presents revised playing cards.

Speaker 4:
[14:45] New playing card technology. All right, done.

Speaker 1:
[14:48] That one actually might be a million dollar idea.

Speaker 2:
[14:50] I want to go back to this oops all ocean. I do think it's an image. I like the I just think it's a very funny, gentle gestures bit when we get back into that.

Speaker 1:
[15:00] All right.

Speaker 2:
[15:01] Just think how funny it would be that if you were in a dimly lit restaurant bathroom, you went for the soap and it was lotion, and then you wash it off, you go to the other one, it's lotion. You have to wash that one off, and then you go to the one that's on the wall, and it's lotion. I think it would be so fun.

Speaker 4:
[15:21] And you can't really wash the lotion off. This has happened to me recently. And you just have to commit to rubbing the lotion in.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] I know.

Speaker 4:
[15:30] Once it's all there.

Speaker 1:
[15:32] You did not bargain for that. You did not want that. So yeah, either it should be all soap, get rid of the lotion, or just do oops, all lotion. Yeah, right. This is perfect for gentle jesters. For any TCS don't remember, this is a TV show. We forgot to pitch, but it's very gentle pranks. It's a prank show. Kind of good vibe. I mean, maybe somehow the two grandmas rare crossover event could be a gentle jesters bit. Like we just go around to barbecues and we take like a kid and we just say, hey, when your two grandmas come together, say rare crossover event.

Speaker 4:
[16:02] As they look blankly at their grandson.

Speaker 5:
[16:07] What did you say?

Speaker 4:
[16:08] Huh?

Speaker 1:
[16:09] I said rare crossover event.

Speaker 5:
[16:12] Gigi and Nim Nim at the same barbecue.

Speaker 1:
[16:16] Rare crossover event.

Speaker 6:
[16:18] Rare what?

Speaker 1:
[16:21] I think every grandma would understand rare event. Rare crossover event. Yeah, I think it'd be a really fascinating intergenerational conversation.

Speaker 3:
[16:30] It's like a collab. Gigi, it's like a collab.

Speaker 1:
[16:32] It's like a collab.

Speaker 5:
[16:35] Gigi x Nim Nim.

Speaker 3:
[16:36] Oh, long sleeve shirt.

Speaker 1:
[16:41] This one is more just like a Andy Rooney kind of observation. Do you guys feel like this is a thing that at a lot of places where you have to get a key to use the bathroom, they use one of those big plastic shoe horns as the key ring?

Speaker 4:
[16:59] What's a shoe horn?

Speaker 1:
[17:00] You know, like, see, that's what people don't use them that much anymore.

Speaker 2:
[17:03] But you don't know what a shoe horn is.

Speaker 1:
[17:05] It's a plastic thing. It's almost shaped like a tongue that you'd use to slide your foot into a boot or a shoe.

Speaker 4:
[17:11] OK.

Speaker 1:
[17:12] Have you been to a place where the key ring was like a foot long piece of plastic?

Speaker 4:
[17:16] Or just like a big piece of wood? Or like, I remember there's a restaurant near me that I go to sometimes and there's like, they just use like a big metal like kitchen spoon.

Speaker 3:
[17:26] My dentist has this.

Speaker 4:
[17:27] 18 inches long.

Speaker 3:
[17:28] Yeah, my dentist uses like a novelty toothbrush, like a giant toothbrush.

Speaker 1:
[17:33] Oh, that's fun.

Speaker 2:
[17:34] What's your solution?

Speaker 1:
[17:35] It's not a solution. I was more like a what's up with that kind of thing.

Speaker 4:
[17:40] Well, I think it's so they don't lose it.

Speaker 1:
[17:42] No, no, I know, I know. I'm just saying, okay, I guess it's not as ubiquitous as I thought the shoehorn. Hold on, I'm going to show you guys on Zoom. Like, I guess my question is, is this a thing? Plastic shoehorn as a keyring? You know, like a lot of them kind of look like this. Doesn't that feel like a thing?

Speaker 3:
[17:59] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[18:00] Sure.

Speaker 3:
[18:01] Okay.

Speaker 1:
[18:02] So it's that, I don't know. I guess it's just, I just think it's interesting. It's some kind of like office wisdom where some people do wood, but a lot of people do plastic shoehorns, right? If any TC heads have been in an establishment, doctor's office, restaurant, whatever, where they used a plastic shoehorn as the key ring, send us an email.

Speaker 3:
[18:20] I got to build on that because, you know, I think they do that so you don't like do some Larry David shit and like forget in your pocket and walk off with it. But what if it's, you know, those shopping carts when you like leave the perimeter of the parking lot, it like locks up. Yes. Maybe there's something where it can like, it could like give you like a small electrical charge or like, you can't leave the building somehow. You know what I mean? Or it inflicts it inflicts pain on you.

Speaker 1:
[18:46] Maybe with especially with geotagging software and haptic feedback, things of that nature. I feel like we can finally get away from this big, onerous, footlong item attached to a key thing, and it can just be something small. And if you accidentally throw it in your pocket, as you're walking to the lobby, don't you think we've progressed enough as a society we don't need to have these big pieces of wood anymore?

Speaker 3:
[19:14] It calls 911. I mean, it calls the police.

Speaker 1:
[19:20] Just ding ding ding ding ding. I mean, also, don't you feel like you're like six? You're at doctor's office. You say, may I use the bathroom? And first of all, you got his permission to use the bathroom, which is humiliating. And then they hand you a big thing, or in your case, Seinfeld, a giant toothbrush.

Speaker 3:
[19:38] Covered in diseases, just a bacteria laden, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[19:43] This one's real bottom of the barrel. But I was just thinking, and this is very regional, but I was training between New York City and suburban New Jersey recently. Do you know that two of the biggest stations where I live, and the train from where I live is where I grew up, is 30 minutes, and you hit both Newark Penn Station and New York Penn Station. And I was thinking about, you know, I'm a sophisticated tri-state area guy, so I navigate that with ease, but I was thinking about how many foreign tourists or people who don't speak English very well have their day or possibly their whole trip ruined by that. That is so confusing. Like really think about that. One is Newark Penn Station, New York Penn Station.

Speaker 4:
[20:30] Wait, so there's a Penn Station in Newark?

Speaker 1:
[20:32] Yeah, because I guess it was all the Pennsylvania Railroad. So you get Penn Stations in different places, but Newark Penn Station and New York Penn Station are 15 minutes apart from each other, but very different in terms of where you're trying to go.

Speaker 4:
[20:47] So what's your solution?

Speaker 1:
[20:49] That was a what's up with that.

Speaker 4:
[20:49] Drop the Penn Station. It should just be Newark, New Jersey. It should say Newark, New Jersey.

Speaker 1:
[20:54] Give it a different name. There's a Bon Jovi rest stop now in New Jersey, and a Connie Chung. They named them after a lot of New Jersey icons.

Speaker 2:
[21:02] Bon Jovi Station.

Speaker 4:
[21:04] Yeah, Bon Jovi Station.

Speaker 1:
[21:07] Yeah, at least throw the Bon Jovi in there, so it's like, whoa. Because imagine if you're, you don't speak a lick of English, but of course you're still going to know Bon Jovi's from New Jersey, not New York. Who's from Newark?

Speaker 4:
[22:43] There's gotta be a big artist or musician or someone from Newark.

Speaker 1:
[22:48] All sorts of people, I mean, Philip Roth.

Speaker 5:
[22:51] That's from Newark.

Speaker 4:
[22:52] That'd be Newark, Newark Roth.

Speaker 1:
[22:55] Is it Redman? Redman, yeah. The Fuji's are from East Orange. Iced tea's from Newark?

Speaker 3:
[23:00] Frankie Valli? Whitney Houston?

Speaker 4:
[23:03] Wow, some heavies coming out of Newark.

Speaker 1:
[23:05] I thought Whitney Houston was from East Orange, not to split hairs, maybe she was from Newark.

Speaker 3:
[23:09] Oh boy.

Speaker 1:
[23:10] Okay, but I like, yeah, it should be Redman Station. And also because there's the airport in Newark, I don't know, it's gotta be so confusing for people.

Speaker 4:
[23:19] What do you think would happen if there was like a-

Speaker 3:
[23:21] Rogan.

Speaker 1:
[23:21] Joe Rogan is from Newark?

Speaker 4:
[23:23] What do you think would happen if there was like a New Jersey state ballot initiative and the state could vote on who they're gonna name the Newark station out of? So you got Frankie Valli, you got Philip Roth, you got Redman, you got-

Speaker 2:
[23:35] Joe Rogan Station.

Speaker 4:
[23:37] You got Joe Rogan Station.

Speaker 1:
[23:39] I feel like Rogan's gonna win.

Speaker 7:
[23:43] But he doesn't-

Speaker 2:
[23:44] Handedly.

Speaker 1:
[23:45] Well, if it's the whole state.

Speaker 4:
[23:46] Or Springsteen, of course, you know, there's also, if you're going like full Jersey, Bon Jovi, you know.

Speaker 1:
[23:53] Well, yeah, Springsteen, obviously, is the most iconic New Jersey guy.

Speaker 4:
[23:56] You'd have a huge voter turnout on that.

Speaker 1:
[23:58] Springsteen station. Sounds pretty good. This is also just one of those things where, you know, like when you're trying to learn a foreign language and people are like saying like, no, that's two different words. And they're like, da da da. Not da da da.

Speaker 5:
[24:12] And you're just like, what?

Speaker 1:
[24:13] Just imagine somebody being like, okay, okay, no, no, no, you want to go to New York Penn Station. You don't want to go to New York Penn Station. No, no, no, New York Penn Station, not New York Penn Station. I know.

Speaker 4:
[24:23] Or just like if you're on the train, like it's like the weird announcement. Like I've definitely been on trains where it's just like, next stop New York station.

Speaker 1:
[24:30] Right. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[24:31] And you're just like, wait.

Speaker 1:
[24:33] You come from a foreign country. You were just visiting your long lost cousin in Morristown or something. You're there like, oh, get on the train. OK, don't worry. It's going it'll go right to New York Penn Station. Next stop, New York Penn Station.

Speaker 5:
[24:48] You're like, oh, oh, my God, that was sooner than I expected.

Speaker 1:
[24:50] You get off. You're in the wrong place.

Speaker 4:
[24:53] I've definitely gotten off at the wrong. Like I've definitely like panicked and gotten off at the wrong stop and places.

Speaker 1:
[24:59] Oh, yeah. The first time you're doing it, it's very stressful.

Speaker 4:
[25:01] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[25:02] Y'all ever fall asleep on the train or a bus back in the day?

Speaker 4:
[25:06] I actually know.

Speaker 1:
[25:07] People always talk about that as a classic experience.

Speaker 3:
[25:09] I've had that.

Speaker 1:
[25:11] I never had the like extreme. I may have like missed one stop before, but like that is I don't know if that's like in New York. There's somebody just like, oh, man, I was so tired. I woke up in Coney Island. How far did you go? It's like you're asleep for an hour.

Speaker 3:
[25:27] Yeah, I've definitely gone like like I've had a bus driver like wake me up when I was a teenager and I'm like, oh, it. And like I'm like 30 minutes away from home kind of thing.

Speaker 1:
[25:37] Does this come from Montreal?

Speaker 4:
[25:38] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[25:39] OK, I've got one more for you guys. This almost feels like something we may have discussed on the show. You know, like the silica gel packets and of course, what do they say on them?

Speaker 4:
[25:51] Do not eat.

Speaker 1:
[25:53] OK, what if my favorite created our own desiccant that you can eat? We create a product. I don't know if we legally it can't be called silica gel because maybe you can't eat silica gel at all, but we create some kind of desiccant. So you're buying your chips and then you get a little package in there and it says like, desiccant, please eat like it's edible paper surrounding it. It does soak up the moisture, but you can eat it and maybe even taste good. It's flavored.

Speaker 4:
[26:21] Kids would love this because sometimes you're opening a package. I've definitely had this experience and your kids just like, what is this? Is this a treat? Actually, it is.

Speaker 1:
[26:32] This time it is. There's something to it.

Speaker 4:
[26:34] I mean, you're getting on a thin ice though, because then you're having a world where you're getting packages and say, do not eat. And then you're getting a world where they're also getting packages and say, please.

Speaker 2:
[26:44] I think that I'd look the business opportunity is that you're just making edible silica gel, and that just becomes the new standard. It's like we've just changed culture. Do you know it's not good luck getting that through Congress?

Speaker 4:
[26:58] You need full adaptation for that to be at all safe.

Speaker 1:
[27:03] We're going to have to grease a lot of palms to make this work. OK, what about this? It's kind of like an art project. It's almost like a giant silica gel do not eat bag, except that's the bag. And then when you open it, it's little round things that you can eat. You know, made out of good stuff.

Speaker 4:
[27:20] I love it.

Speaker 1:
[27:21] You could sell a product that's shaped like something. You know, remember like Shark Bites? They didn't contain shark, but there was a fruit snack that was shaped like sharks. Or in the UK, there's a snack called Monster Munch, and it's like monster faces. So it's like that. It's a big bag. And then inside are things that look like silica gel, but it's made out of, I don't know, potatoes or nuts, raisins, whatever. Picture like one of those Frito Lay 36 packs, except it says, silica gel, do not eat.

Speaker 3:
[27:50] This is like, oops, all silica gel?

Speaker 1:
[27:53] Wait a second. Matt just found, okay, somebody already kind of did this. They made a silica gel candy, and the outside says, do not eat silica gel, but then inside are fake silica gel pellets that are made out of sugar, sugar, glucose, malt syrup, gum, and artificial flavor. Wait, so check it out.

Speaker 4:
[28:17] Oh yeah.

Speaker 1:
[28:18] All right, we've been scooped, but maybe we could team up with this company.

Speaker 4:
[28:22] I feel like I learned a new word today, desiccant.

Speaker 1:
[28:24] Oh yes, that's a pretty Jake word in a way.

Speaker 4:
[28:26] Are those packets to absorb moisture? Is that what they do? They keep stuff dry?

Speaker 3:
[28:30] They're to avoid decomposition and corrosion from whatever product.

Speaker 1:
[28:35] What's the definition, Seinfeld, of desiccant?

Speaker 3:
[28:38] Desiccant is a hygroscopic substance, gotta look that up next, that removes moisture from the air to create a dry, protected environment. And a hygroscopic substance is a material that readily attracts, absorbs, and adsorbs water molecules from the surrounding atmosphere. Gotta look that up. Adsorb means to hold molecules of a gas or liquid solute as a thin film on the outside surface or on internal surfaces within the material.

Speaker 1:
[29:12] Wait, adsorb, it's like absorb with a D?

Speaker 3:
[29:15] Correct. That's a new word for me.

Speaker 1:
[29:17] And we all know the word desiccated. Desiccated, like a desiccated corpse, desiccated tree.

Speaker 4:
[29:23] What does that mean exactly?

Speaker 1:
[29:25] I think dried out. What is desiccated?

Speaker 4:
[29:28] Yeah, I guess so. I just, I've heard the term.

Speaker 3:
[29:30] Yeah, thoroughly dried out, removing all moisture. Or, if you want to go more poetic, lacking vitality and spirit.

Speaker 4:
[29:39] Ooh, TC sucks now. It's pretty desiccated.

Speaker 1:
[29:43] It's getting real desiccated.

Speaker 4:
[29:46] Late period chili peppers, pretty desiccated.

Speaker 3:
[29:51] What are they trying to desk mask?

Speaker 1:
[29:55] Modern life.

Speaker 4:
[30:19] Yeah, that'd be cool if those online influencer kids started using the word desiccant.

Speaker 1:
[30:25] It's like dry-maxing. How long can you not drink water without dying?

Speaker 4:
[30:30] Like three days, four days, maybe five days? I don't know, something like that.

Speaker 3:
[30:35] Three to seven days.

Speaker 1:
[30:36] Okay. Ooh, okay, imagine, I mean, do not try this at home. This is a bad idea. This is pure, I'm not even putting this on my ideas list. This is how dangerous this is. But imagine somebody, hey, what's up guys?

Speaker 5:
[30:51] It's your boy, little desiccant. This is day one, day one, no water. And then you're like, cool. And he's like, day two, honestly, kind of thirsty. Don't, you know, and it's like day three.

Speaker 1:
[31:04] And it's like, whoa, really thirsty.

Speaker 5:
[31:05] And then when you get to day four, day, it's kind of hurting. Don't feel like doing much.

Speaker 1:
[31:14] And then by day four, it's like Death Watch. God, that's so dark. That like, everybody's trying to make it to day seven.

Speaker 3:
[31:21] Right.

Speaker 1:
[31:21] But day four, five and six is like Death Watch.

Speaker 3:
[31:24] Can I pitch one? Yeah. All right. I don't know if you can relate to this, but you ever notice when you're driving like and someone's like like a bad driver, like cuts you off or like is doing that thing where they're like zipping around on the highway and like driving all crazy. And like you kind of you kind of like find yourself like next to them again at the intersection. You're like, who is this mother? Who's this mother fucker? Oh, we can swear now. Who's this mother fucker?

Speaker 8:
[31:50] Who's, who the?

Speaker 4:
[31:52] Off the chain.

Speaker 3:
[31:54] Let's see how, who the fuck is this mother fucker who's been fucking around? And you pull up to them and their windows are tinted. And then you're like, oh, did they get the tinted windows just so they could drive like an asshole without the repercussion of me being able to passive aggressively glare at them? What about a feature on a car where you can like un-tint their windows so that you can give them like a foul look?

Speaker 6:
[32:19] I love the idea.

Speaker 1:
[32:20] I love the enthusiasm.

Speaker 5:
[32:22] It sounds like one of these things where it's a guy gets cut off and he's trying to figure out how to un-tint somebody's windows in real time. And the level of like quantum physics required for that. He actually like, he actually like solves cold fusion or something. He's working so hard to un-tint the windows that he's like at, he's at like CERN in Switzerland like smashing atoms and like, I finally did it and it's like Seinfeld, you don't understand. You solve what Einstein could never figure out. You're like, no, no, I just want to un-tint those windows.

Speaker 4:
[32:59] Global energy crisis solved.

Speaker 5:
[33:04] But then you burn all your research before they use it for its unattended purpose.

Speaker 4:
[33:09] But then can the guy just like retint his windows in this hypothetical?

Speaker 3:
[33:14] Right, someone would have to, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[33:15] You get into a back and forth like flipping a light switch.

Speaker 1:
[33:18] I feel like by the time there's the technology to just like look at somebody and un-tint their windows, he'll also have the technology to instantly kill you.

Speaker 4:
[33:29] Also, un-tinting the windows is way more aggro than getting a glare from Seinfeld.

Speaker 2:
[33:41] All right, fair.

Speaker 3:
[33:42] Although I do like the certain thing. I like it's someone who works at the Large Hadron Collider. Doing this is their 20% thing, and then they, yeah. All right.

Speaker 1:
[33:51] All right, guys, well, I think if you have these little half-baked ideas, I want everybody just to keep a little running thing on your notes.

Speaker 4:
[33:59] I'm gonna start a new notes app.

Speaker 1:
[34:01] Yeah, half-baked ideas.

Speaker 4:
[34:02] PC half-baked.

Speaker 1:
[34:03] Maybe next time we collectively can come up with 13, well, it'll be a new segment called a half-baker's dozen.

Speaker 4:
[34:09] Nice.

Speaker 1:
[34:10] 13 half-baked ideas. But then we're gonna bake them up nice.

Speaker 4:
[34:13] Did you guys watch the Chili Peppers doc on Netflix?

Speaker 1:
[34:16] Oh yeah, of course. Opening night.

Speaker 3:
[34:20] Opening week.

Speaker 4:
[34:21] I would say surprisingly moving.

Speaker 1:
[34:23] Yeah, I mean, there's always been something about, well, actually, I know we've talked chilies before.

Speaker 4:
[34:29] A little bit, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[34:30] Wait, Jake, are you in a binary, are you pro? Pro chilies?

Speaker 4:
[34:35] I wouldn't say I'm a fan, but I am pro. I really like Blood Sugar Sex Magic.

Speaker 1:
[34:40] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[34:41] Although I've been listening to some of the early stuff the last day or two. And I was like, this actually sounds better. Like I was listening to like what? Mofo party planner.

Speaker 1:
[34:51] Mofo party plan?

Speaker 4:
[34:54] Mofo party planner. I was listening to that in the drive down this morning and it was kind of feeling it.

Speaker 1:
[35:00] Really?

Speaker 4:
[35:01] I think that just hearing their story, the origin story that goes back to the 1970s, on the streets of Hollywood.

Speaker 1:
[35:08] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[35:09] Just getting the context for how the band formed and the scene they were coming out of, really just like made me appreciate them a lot more.

Speaker 1:
[35:18] Oh, totally. I mean, I felt, have you read any of their books? Anthony's book or Fleece?

Speaker 4:
[35:24] No, no I haven't.

Speaker 1:
[35:25] They're classic. I mean, Anthony Kiedis' book is more like classic rock and roll memoir, you know, talking about all the wild stuff he did, some of the history of the band. Fleece is more of like this kind of like beautiful snapshot of his childhood. It actually ends as the chili peppers are kicking off. Like maybe he'll write a part too, but his is really like a snapshot of like a difficult childhood, moving all over the place, divorced parents, like looking for community when he moved to LA and kind of like running wild in the streets. But there is something about those guys. Because I guess the interesting duality about the chili peppers has always been that especially when they became like the gods of 2000s modern rock radio, it became really easy for people just to hate on them. Just like, oh man, the lyrics make no sense. They're obsessed with California. It's like awkward, like white guys rapping and being like funky. But then there's always been this side of them, which I think is why it's pretty hard to hate the Chili Peppers, even if you don't like the rap element or the funk element, is that there is this beautiful kind of brotherhood, and they've always talked about each other in really moving ways that I kind of can't think of a comp for. The language that they use in their books, in their interviews, where it's just like, I can't think of any other Gen X dudes who just use that kind of Chili Peppers language that's just like, 14 years old, me and Anthony, we had a spiritual awakening, our friendship was guided by love, deep respect, music. They have all these stories where you can't always, you can't immediately hear in the music, like there's something in Flea's book, there's like this beautiful passage about him and Anthony listening to Ornette Coleman's solo, and they're just being so moved by it as teenagers. It's more like what you'd expect radiohead to say, or something, just picturing like these guys listening to Free Jazz. But then in a way, when you go back to the music, you can feel it. Maybe it's not obvious in some of it, but it's like there is a depth.

Speaker 4:
[37:39] Well, it's interesting in the very beginning, because Flea, I remember early in the doc, is saying, I thought rock music was for dumb people. He's not a fan of rock music when Hallel is in that band Anthem. And I love that they got the ex singer, the former lead singer of this band, Anthem, that Hallel and then later Flea was in. And Anthem kind of sounded like Rush or something. It was very dated, mid-70s, hard rock. And even Anthony at the time was, or Anthony's recalling that even at the time, he thought they were dated, which I thought was fascinating. But yeah, Flea was into what you were saying. He played jazz trumpet. Thought he wanted to be like a jazz musician and wasn't into, it was just interesting to get like a 15, 16 year old kid in the 70s, not being into rock. I was like, man, that was the time to be into rock.

Speaker 1:
[38:35] No, totally. And the fact that Flea wasn't into rock and that Anthony was considered like a non-musician.

Speaker 4:
[38:41] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[38:41] Means that they were coming at it. They weren't coming at it from that angle that we're very familiar with, which is just like being like a dude, depending on where you grew up. It's like, yeah, start band, like rock music is cool.

Speaker 4:
[38:56] Yeah, I mean, those guys are born in the early 60s. So it's like they're at the perfect age to just love Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, whatever. Just like, and that's what Anthem was. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[39:06] They were coming at it from more of an art project background. And I guess Hillel was the uniter. He was the one who kind of brought them in and provided like a kind of spirit for the Chili Peppers.

Speaker 4:
[39:18] Well, he encouraged them too. Like he was the one that was like, Flea, you should play bass in Anthem. Like there's that scene in the dock when they're listening to the doors, they're like hanging out in their car. It's like right out of like a Linklater movie. And they're listening to Riders on the Storm and it's raining and the bass player of Anthem has quit or whatever. And Flea, I don't think plays music at this point. And Hillel was like, you should learn how to play bass, which is so classic, like teenage band, where it's like, you just want your buddy to be in the band, but he doesn't play. And it's like, dude, you just start learning how to play bass.

Speaker 2:
[39:50] By the way, just for the audience that may not be as familiar with the peps, can you just give us a rundown of the Hillelos?

Speaker 1:
[39:58] He's the original guitarist of the Chili Peppers. He went to Fairfax High School with Anthony and Flea.

Speaker 4:
[40:04] Graduated in 80.

Speaker 1:
[40:06] They formed this band together. They all grew up in Hollywood together. They're kind of like Hollywood kids running in the streets. And he had already kind of developed some elements of his kind of like funky style in his previous band. But then when the Chili Peppers came together, which also who was that dude who was like an artist guy who also was kind of like a godfather to them?

Speaker 4:
[40:30] Gary Allen.

Speaker 1:
[40:31] Yeah, he was a very fascinating figure too. Shout out to Gary Allen. That he kind of suggested they should all, that Anthony should rap with them. And yeah, so it kind of came together out of this like artistic scene plus their friendship. It's also cool to see that the Chili Peppers were thriving in the 80s, because I think for a lot of us, especially for me, like just being a kid in that era, you kind of feel like it kicked off with Fushante. But then to go back and be like, no, the three albums before, they were like building and growing and there was like real excitement when they came to New York for the first time, when they toured Europe for the first time. Like the Chili Peppers, they weren't superstars the way they were in the 90s, but it's not like they were languishing in the shadows. They were making waves.

Speaker 4:
[41:17] No, they were making a living as a band. But yeah, I think like the whole structure, I think it's called like the Chili Peppers, like our brother Hillel. So it's like really like, cause you're right, like if you're just sort of a casual Chili Peppers fan like I am, I'm like, oh, it's Anthony Kiedis and Flea and they've had a bunch of guitar players. But this doc is really like the origin story. And it's like, if there was no Hillel Slovak, there's no Chili Peppers. He had like a vision and even dude, at the end of the doc, when Frusciante comes in.

Speaker 1:
[41:45] Yeah, that was really sweet.

Speaker 2:
[41:46] So emotional.

Speaker 1:
[41:47] Very generous of him because Frusciante says in the doc, a lot of people think that on Blood Sugar Sex Magic, which is the album that took the Chili Peppers to the stratosphere, says people think that's when I kind of came into my own and I distanced myself from Hillel. And he said the opposite's true. That was when I kind of got more laser-focused on trying to sound like Hillel and like study his stuff. So, very kind, generous thing for him to say, you know, considering that Frusciante is an amazing guitarist. But to, you know, give credit where it's due and say, but I was so inspired by this dude, including on the stuff you think I probably pulled from the ether, not that it came from him. In fact, they talk so much about that one song. I thought we should listen to it. What's it called, Around the Sun?

Speaker 4:
[42:34] It's called Behind the Sun. I wrote this down because I was like, we gotta listen to Behind the Sun.

Speaker 1:
[42:38] Right, because early Chili Peppers is, well, maybe let's start with some of the early funky stuff like out in LA, like just to give a sense of what people picture when they're talking about early Chili Peppers.

Speaker 4:
[42:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[42:49] This is like their first song, right?

Speaker 4:
[42:52] Is this on the first album?

Speaker 2:
[42:53] Yes, this is their first demo.

Speaker 4:
[42:54] So this is the one that, but Halel's not on this.

Speaker 1:
[42:57] He's not?

Speaker 4:
[42:58] No, because-

Speaker 2:
[42:59] Because he was still in Anthem.

Speaker 4:
[43:01] No, he was in the other band-

Speaker 2:
[43:04] What is it? What is this?

Speaker 1:
[43:06] But he did perform this with them.

Speaker 4:
[43:09] He did perform it with them, but this album is Flea and Ketis with two other dudes.

Speaker 1:
[43:24] Do you have the Out in L.A. demo?

Speaker 4:
[43:32] Is this the demo?

Speaker 1:
[43:33] This is the little...

Speaker 2:
[43:33] Oh. This is the one they play in the dock.

Speaker 8:
[43:49] So, this is like 82 or 83 or something?

Speaker 1:
[44:10] I mean, I gotta be honest, like, I wouldn't have had the vision. If someone just played this for me, maybe if I went to the show, If I caught them in like 84 playing this at a Hollywood rave, I might be like, whoa, these guys are interesting. But if you just played this for me, I'd be kind of like, yeah, that's going to be a polite pass.

Speaker 8:
[44:30] Sure.

Speaker 1:
[44:43] Okay, so just to give everybody a sense of that's Early Chili Peppers. And then a few albums in, Hillel spearheads this song called... What's it called? Behind the Sun and they talk about this as if he was starting to unlock a new aspect of the chili peppers and the song is very influential to Fruchante who took over.

Speaker 4:
[45:14] Let's go.

Speaker 8:
[45:29] So this is late 80s, I guess. He died in 88, so this is probably like 86, 87.

Speaker 1:
[45:48] I mean, in some ways, the chili peppers just needed to wait for the 90s to have a new dominant production aesthetic, to like match their music better.

Speaker 4:
[45:56] Totally.

Speaker 7:
[46:10] I mean, it's kind of Beatles-y. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[46:12] That chorus.

Speaker 2:
[46:19] During March of 2012, the Weather Channel began using an instrumental demo version of This is the Background Music for its local channel.

Speaker 7:
[46:29] Oh, nice.

Speaker 4:
[46:30] Have you guys seen those photos of, you know, the astronauts are going around the moon, and there's like these photos like on the, behind the moon? Oh, yeah. There's photos they took that are like, I think they're on the other side of the moon. They're new photos of the moon. And then I was thinking about like, yeah, behind the sun is kind of a trippy idea.

Speaker 1:
[47:05] Yeah, I mean, I love the Chili Peppers. They're a really amazing mix of the sacred and the profane. They are the ultimate LA band.

Speaker 4:
[47:16] Truly.

Speaker 1:
[47:18] They couldn't have come out of any other place, and Blood Sugar Sex Magic is just the perfect name. It captures them in all their glory.

Speaker 4:
[48:04] A little bit of Jane's Addiction or something here.

Speaker 6:
[48:06] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:07] Well, there's a part where Foote talks about hearing the Perry Farrell playing him the Jane's Addiction album before it comes out, and him being like, oh man.

Speaker 8:
[48:16] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[48:17] We're getting blown away. It's also not a million miles away from like meat puppets. Like the production aesthetic is different, but it's like psychedelic, 80s psychedelic.

Speaker 4:
[48:37] Twangy. Yeah, I mean, Flea's eight, 19, like the footage of Flea in the 80s, his t-shirt collection was on point. Wearing a butthole surfer's tee, wearing a Meat Puppets tee.

Speaker 2:
[48:58] It seems they've never played this live.

Speaker 4:
[49:00] Really?

Speaker 2:
[49:04] Maybe it's out of some kind of.

Speaker 4:
[49:06] Respect.

Speaker 2:
[49:07] Respect to Hello. That's the only thing I could, there's no reason.

Speaker 4:
[49:38] I mean, the doc gets pretty heavy, too. It's like, Halel dies of a heroin overdose at age 26 and 88, and he and Anthony Kiedis were both addicted to heroin at that point. I really felt for Kiedis in this doc because he had clearly carried an enormous amount of shame and guilt for his friend and bandmate's death. I mean, it must have been so hard.

Speaker 1:
[50:01] Well, yeah, because he was seen by some as an enabler.

Speaker 4:
[50:06] Yeah, he was the other guy in the... Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[50:09] But you know what's crazy? I remember this part from Flea's book. He said, when I first met Anthony, he was, you know, he said something like, he was, I'd never met anybody like him. And he said, one day when we were 14, I'm totally paraphrasing here, he's like, but Anthony looked at me and said something like, he was basically trying to communicate that he was either, he was like a chosen one. I don't know what language he used, if he said he was protected by divine spirit, but he basically says him in a flea like, that he's essentially a chosen one. And he was like, what do you mean? He's like, if I was on a bus that crashed and everybody died, I'd be the one guy who lived. And apparently he said this to him at like age 14. So maybe, maybe you believe that about yourself. Some part of it comes true, especially as a dude who like probably was on death store, you know, like with a crazy heroin addiction. But it's just like, that always stayed with me. Cause I'm like, what kind of like 14 year old would think that way?

Speaker 4:
[51:00] Yeah, that's a, I mean, it's interesting in the doc, he comes, he's definitely like, I mean, one thing I thought of is like, man, Flea and Anthony Kiedis have done the work in therapy.

Speaker 1:
[51:15] Right. They're very openhearted.

Speaker 4:
[51:17] Yeah. They like have been through it. And like the way there's kind of what you were saying earlier, they're so like emotionally like vulnerable and present.

Speaker 2:
[51:26] But it feels like Flea had it from the beginning. That's what's so incredible. Like when he talks about leaving to go join Fear, and it's because of just this feeling of we're not doing the right. I mean, just it seems like his relationship to music and whatever spiritual practice or soul is there.

Speaker 1:
[51:45] I think they've always had a depth. And even Anthony, when they talk about him being like really young and meeting Hillel and Anthony just being like, I'm really into poetry. And you're like, oh really? Ketis was into poetry as a teenager? Like it's so easy, I think, because there is a macho side to the chili peppers to like think of them as just like alpha males of group.

Speaker 4:
[52:06] Like, like they could have been in Metallica or something.

Speaker 1:
[52:09] Like, yeah, but then I mean, maybe that's what happens when like you and your buddies do acid together when you're 11. Maybe there is some like weird spiritual bond. Maybe Anthony did meet the protector at a young age and it basically said to him like, you're going to go through some hellish moments, dude, but if a bus crashes and everybody dies, you'll be alive. And he was like, thank you, Divine Mother. Maybe they saw some shit when they were like running around Hollywood on drugs. No, I'm not again, not recommending it, but like I, and maybe that's why they somehow stayed close and were able to keep this thing going with like these insane setbacks.

Speaker 4:
[52:45] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[52:46] Like a true Divine Brotherhood.

Speaker 4:
[52:48] Like Flea is talking about running around Hollywood doing drugs when he's like 11.

Speaker 7:
[52:52] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[52:53] Just like, man, the 70s were wild.

Speaker 1:
[52:56] Flea and Ketis, Hollywood Boulevard, standing in front of Musso and Franks, tripping balls at age 11, and just like looking to each other's eyes and being like, I see us at a sold out stadium in Cleveland in 2023. Who knows? I mean, I think that's what that is what's beautiful. There's something very tapped in about the chili peppers. And again, it's blood sugar sex magic.

Speaker 4:
[53:23] There you go.

Speaker 1:
[53:24] Magic is not a cool word in the early 90s. Can you picture the word magic being in a Nirvana album title or Soundgarden? But the chili peppers are freaky.

Speaker 4:
[53:33] There was a little clip of Lars being interviewed at the 1992 MTV Music Awards. And they're like, Lars, who you psyched to see tonight? And he's like, chili peppers.

Speaker 5:
[53:44] I really want to see the chili peppers.

Speaker 1:
[53:46] Yeah, what do you think Hetfield thought?

Speaker 5:
[53:49] James, I really want to play you this new album.

Speaker 1:
[53:53] I especially like the song, Sir Psycho Sexy. Check it out, James. I'm just like, nah, nope.

Speaker 4:
[54:03] I see what they're doing. Kind of a French thing here, okay.

Speaker 7:
[54:09] I'm just going, mmm.

Speaker 1:
[54:13] I guess there is something about, I mean, under the bridge is, I know the chili peppers have so many songs. They have so many hit songs. They got songs that every day there's a kid, probably in every country on earth, is learning some chili pepper song, including ones from the 2000s. But like the ultimate chili pepper song is under the bridge. And I guess I never totally thought about it as like a casual fan, but it's like, imagine that the song that like kind of turns you into like legends and makes you like the biggest thing on earth is this song about your darkest moment doing heroin when the like spiritual guide of the band died from heroin a few years early and his mom still won't talk to you and you still have this shame. It does add a whole dimension to that song. And I've just always felt like how can you, the funk rap stuff is not going to be for everybody, although I like a lot of it.

Speaker 4:
[55:10] Dude, Suck My Kiss goes hard.

Speaker 1:
[55:12] Oh yeah.

Speaker 4:
[55:12] We love Sailing.

Speaker 1:
[55:17] Oh yeah, no, it rules. I mean, I love all that stuff. But I'm just saying, how could anybody not like Under the Bridge?

Speaker 4:
[55:24] Should we listen Under the Bridge?

Speaker 1:
[55:25] It's top five singles of the 90s.

Speaker 4:
[55:31] Is that their most played song?

Speaker 1:
[55:33] No, because they have so many good songs.

Speaker 2:
[55:35] I bet it's Californication.

Speaker 1:
[55:37] Yeah, there's all that stuff and like, you can't stop to feed them with the shin dig.

Speaker 6:
[55:41] Star Tissue.

Speaker 4:
[55:45] Dude, how dry this guitar tone is.

Speaker 1:
[55:48] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[55:54] Were they on the list of greatest American rock band?

Speaker 1:
[55:57] They might be. For me, the Chili Peppers, it's the Spirit of America.

Speaker 4:
[56:03] Yeah, I'm really not a fan in general, but I will concede they're one of the great American rock bands.

Speaker 1:
[56:08] Uniquely American.

Speaker 4:
[56:10] Oh, they're not really a rock band.

Speaker 8:
[56:11] That's what's cool about them.

Speaker 2:
[56:29] It's also insane how good-looking they all were.

Speaker 4:
[56:32] I know, dude.

Speaker 2:
[56:32] It's crazy.

Speaker 1:
[56:34] In great shape.

Speaker 2:
[56:35] And they're all in such good shape.

Speaker 4:
[56:37] I think the first time he just played a show with a shirt on must have been the mid to late 90s. All of the footage of him in the 80s playing some weird sweaty club and like Weiden. Just like, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[57:45] Also, on the kind of spiritual tip, like for a lot of other singers, talking about how like, I'm all alone, and I got no friends except for the city, and she loves me. It might be hard to take from some people, but with Ketus, I fully believe it.

Speaker 4:
[58:03] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[58:04] I believe that the city of angels held him in her arms that day.

Speaker 4:
[58:08] Right, it reminds me of that song, when you mentioned that, it reminded me of that Journey song, like The Lights.

Speaker 1:
[58:17] Oh yeah. Cool song by Kornie.

Speaker 4:
[58:41] If nothing else, you're right, Ezra. This doc serves as a way of introducing some deep context to this song.

Speaker 1:
[58:48] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[58:49] And the pain that Kiedis must have been in.

Speaker 1:
[58:51] For anybody who hasn't spent any time in LA, downtown LA, especially the bridges, is like one of the weirdest places on earth. Downtown LA, it's hard to explain. It's just fundamentally different than other funky city areas. The downtown is like this weird, separate... It's not the heart of the city.

Speaker 4:
[59:19] No.

Speaker 1:
[59:19] It's like a city within a city.

Speaker 4:
[59:21] It's like off to the side.

Speaker 1:
[59:23] It's off to the side, and it's famously where Skid Row is. So it's like downtown LA, and of course, it's been very gentrified in the last 20 years. It's changed quite a bit, but it's also like, I don't know, I got to try to channel some Zizek, some Baudrillard, but LA is a funny place because whenever those buildings are from the 20s, they built a traditional American city with tall buildings, and then the rest of the city was kind of like, eh, it truly is a forgotten future. It's like an old version of America. Downtown LA, it has something in common with downtown Cleveland and downtown Manhattan, big old buildings, and then the LA that thrived kind of wasn't that. The Hollywood, the way it grew, and the center of the city did not become downtown LA, which also it's like so far from the ocean. There's something weird and sad about it, but also it gives LA such a weird flavor, that it's like all these weird things on top of each other. Very American, very strange, very dreamlike. Entering downtown LA, especially like, it's this like weird bit of like old America, like plopped into Southern California. And then these weird bridges and like the empty LA river down there. So even anybody's never spent time in LA, you've seen the images of downtown. Anytime you're watching an LA movie and you're in like somewhere really weird, it's downtown. It's like people walking in the LA river.

Speaker 3:
[60:51] Can I shout out? Yeah, do you know the movie Collateral with friend of the show Jamie Foxx and Tom Cruise?

Speaker 1:
[60:58] Oh yeah, great movie.

Speaker 3:
[61:00] Great sort of snapshot of DTLA in that film. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[61:04] There's some classic moments in Repo Man or in downtown LA.

Speaker 4:
[61:08] It makes me wonder, did they start building downtown there because the river was there? Within the current context of LA, it feels very random that there even is a downtown. It's near the Union Station and it's near the river. So it makes me think trains and rivers when they were more critical.

Speaker 1:
[61:25] And I guess there were so many warehouses because the trains would come off to like deliver goods and like cattle or whatever. But there is something about it too, where it is this weird like, I don't know, I've been reading the works of Tolkien for the first time, reading it to my son.

Speaker 4:
[61:44] Cool.

Speaker 1:
[61:45] But it's also like a way that I was like, oh yeah, I never actually read this. Just like saw the movies and the seventies cartoons, which I loved. And there's times, you know, especially like reading it to a kid where you're like, whoa, okay, this has been two pages of just like descriptions of landscape with like archaic words. Like sometimes I have to look stuff up because I'll use like really ancient words. But there's these times where they're like, there's so many parts in like Lord of the Rings where they describe, you know, the company is on like, you know, looking out and like there's that river and there's that dell and then the Misty Mountain is rising and they're just describing it and over at the, on that hillock is a cluster of old stones and he's like describing like the landscape. But because, you know, they're, this is like the the brawl for it all against Sauron. A lot of times they'll just describe this like this area of shadow and the growing shadow and like, oh, that forest, there's like the shadow was upon it. And there's something about like when you're up, up on like a hike and like the hills in LA and you're just kind of looking out and you're just like, yeah, this is like sprawling Los Angeles and then you look over to like downtown and there is some like weird Tower of Sauron vibe to me, just like this weird, it's its own thing.

Speaker 2:
[62:55] Just to answer your question, that area was chosen in 1781 by the Spanish settlers because of the river and it's elevated here. So once the Pueblo is there, then that's where Southern Pacific put the railroad. So basically that's why it is where it is.

Speaker 1:
[63:12] And now it's not a real river because of all the water shenanigans over the years, Inyo, that Bruce wrote about so eloquently on his lost album, Inyo.

Speaker 4:
[63:22] Water flows through there. It's just, I think they put all the concrete in there so it wouldn't flood.

Speaker 1:
[63:27] But how often is there water in there?

Speaker 4:
[63:29] There's, I mean, you know, it's the kind of thing where in the summer it gets down to a trickle, but after a storm in the winter, like it's raging.

Speaker 1:
[63:37] Yeah, I guess it happened. It's just such a different conception of a river.

Speaker 4:
[63:41] It flows all year. But yeah, like, obviously, like from May to November, it doesn't rain.

Speaker 2:
[63:50] And so many of the years that you were been here was this giant water crisis, which we're just sort of getting out of. So I feel like it's-

Speaker 1:
[63:56] Yeah, I mean, clearly things have changed over the, I'm just saying, like, when you look at New York Harbor, or, you know, Paris, and you're just like, right, there's a big flowing river here that brought goods and services from all around the world and allowed the city to thrive.

Speaker 5:
[64:14] The Mississippi River. Yeah, when you look at LA, you're kind of like, right.

Speaker 1:
[64:19] So yeah, clearly something, it's just not the traditional way we think about, like, a city growing through trade.

Speaker 4:
[64:25] Yeah, yeah, it does make you think, like, how big was the river in the 18th century? I don't get a sense that it was, like, that big.

Speaker 1:
[64:33] And there's something about Anthony Kiedis. It is a beautifully composed song, like, sometimes I feel, like, you gotta give it up to the Chili Peppers. Obviously, Fushante is the MVP, this beautiful guitar work on this song. But he's talking about, like, sometimes I feel, you know, telling you how he's down in the dumps, and then the chorus is, I don't ever want to feel like I did that day. Take me to the place I love. And at first, you're not totally sure what he means, but then in that big epic chorus, where there's like the choir comes in, you're like, what happened that day, man? Just under the bridge downtown is where I drew some blood. Something about, like, Anthony Kiedis, Hollywood kid in the shadow land of DTLA under a bridge, probably, like, wondering, like, am I about to die? It's heavy.

Speaker 4:
[65:20] It also makes me think, I don't want to feel like I did that day. Like, maybe it's the day Hillel died.

Speaker 1:
[65:25] Right, because he was in his own kind of heroin haze at the exact same moment.

Speaker 4:
[65:30] And what's the song after under the bridge on?

Speaker 1:
[65:33] Oh, that's a great question.

Speaker 4:
[65:34] Blood, sugar, sex, magic. Let's listen to that.

Speaker 1:
[65:42] This is Naked in the Rain. Standing on the corner of a civilization. It's the opposite of Under the Bridge. Worst day of your life, being strung out on heroin under the bridge downtown, it's like getting naked in the rain with your boys.

Speaker 4:
[67:21] I'm basically always almost naked. I just slide my underwear off. Done.

Speaker 1:
[67:28] Also, the chili peppers truly, it's like, they really embody the city of Los Angeles in all of its contradictions, because LA is a funny place because on the one hand, you have the beach, you have the surfer bros, but if you're like downtown, you're truly on another planet. But their music, they got like the funky Hollywood thing, the darkness of downtown, the kind of just like Jackdudes on the beach.

Speaker 5:
[67:57] It all comes together.

Speaker 1:
[67:59] A little bit hippie, a little bit spiritual, a little bit Hollywood.

Speaker 4:
[68:03] Maybe that's like the slight hippie spiritual part is like the desert energy.

Speaker 1:
[68:08] Oh yeah, right. Stand on the corner of a civilization. Do you like any post blood sugar sex magic chili peppers?

Speaker 4:
[68:17] You know, it's a really good song is the one that's on the Conehead soundtrack.

Speaker 2:
[68:21] Great song.

Speaker 3:
[68:22] Soul to Squeeze, I think.

Speaker 4:
[68:24] Matt, you guys know that one?

Speaker 1:
[68:25] Oh yeah, a beautiful song.

Speaker 4:
[68:26] And then maybe after this, we do the top five. I mean, you know me, I'm a ballads guy.

Speaker 1:
[68:30] Right. But you didn't like any of like Californication, like scar tissue and stuff?

Speaker 4:
[68:42] Not really, it's okay. Oh, we got an email from a listener recently asking us to go deep on the Proshanthi solo albums. Which is the classic guy, if you're talking rock with a guy, like at a party, he's going to be like, dude, have you checked out those Proshanthi solo albums?

Speaker 8:
[69:30] And I don't know, maybe we have to do a little homework.

Speaker 4:
[69:33] I haven't done, I haven't actually listened to them. I think that'd be a good ep, though, at least like the first one or something.

Speaker 1:
[69:40] Let's check it out. I know I've heard it before.

Speaker 4:
[69:42] Because I love his guitar playing. Like in a song like this.

Speaker 2:
[70:00] I was thinking about Prashant and this, it's just all of them, even though he was this late joiner, they all just seem so gentle. Like, for all of them, it's not even just emotionally tapped in, but there's like this, and maybe that's the therapy or whatever, but rarely do you see a band where like everybody is like matching each other's frequency.

Speaker 4:
[70:21] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[70:22] Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 4:
[70:23] And also true, I mean, this is such an obvious point, but like truly as a band, it's not like, you know, I'm one, I'm Billy Corgan and I tell everyone every note to play. It's like, it's very like, it is a very collaborative band.

Speaker 1:
[70:36] Yeah, like, I mean, that's why Flea is probably the best-known bassist of modern rock.

Speaker 4:
[70:43] Right.

Speaker 1:
[70:44] He's just going off all the time.

Speaker 4:
[70:46] He's like, filled, dude.

Speaker 1:
[70:48] Yeah, truly. Flea's always taking it on a ride. I love this solo.

Speaker 6:
[71:09] I know.

Speaker 4:
[71:11] I mean, Troisante is honestly 10 out of 10 with tone-touching beer systems. Absolutely. He's got it all going on.

Speaker 1:
[72:00] Sometimes people, there's like a thing where people say, like, Ketis can't sing. It's like, what are you talking about? Yeah, like, he sounds great on the ballads. Maybe that's why people just knock down with the nonsense.

Speaker 4:
[72:27] I kind of like it, like on this sensitive ballad. He finds a way to get into his weird scat mode, his Steven Tyler scat mode.

Speaker 1:
[72:35] No, it totally fits.

Speaker 2:
[73:07] I like that anecdote, and there's some footage in the movie when they were like, they were going, especially Khalid was going so crazy in the studio, they had to duct tape the headphones to his head while he was performing. He was just so in, he was so good.

Speaker 1:
[73:26] All right, you know what? RHCP, Until Proven Otherwise, greatest American band of the last 40 years.

Speaker 4:
[73:36] The post 60s and 70s era.

Speaker 1:
[73:38] Grateful Dead handed the torch to RHCP. Wait, actually, oh my God, Jerry had four years to listen to Blood Sugar Sex Magic.

Speaker 4:
[73:49] Oh my God, he must have heard Under the Bridge, like on the radio, like in a van or something. Really nice guitar playing on that.

Speaker 1:
[73:58] Are we ready for Gen X Challenge?

Speaker 4:
[74:01] Hell yeah.

Speaker 1:
[74:02] Speaking of RHCP.

Speaker 3:
[74:04] Yeah. I also shout out that Gen X Challenge is falling on the 250th episode of Time Crisis of Cogret on a generational run of 250 episodes of TC to the crew.

Speaker 1:
[74:17] TC 250 major.

Speaker 3:
[74:20] Hell yeah.

Speaker 4:
[74:21] Just like the United States this year.

Speaker 1:
[74:25] Wait, this is the two, oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[74:28] It's the 250th anniversary of the United States.

Speaker 9:
[74:39] Hi guys.

Speaker 1:
[74:41] Rashida Jones, number one Time Crisis guest of all time, back on the program.

Speaker 7:
[74:46] Do I still hold that title?

Speaker 1:
[74:49] I mean, definitely after today.

Speaker 7:
[74:51] Great.

Speaker 5:
[74:51] Hornsby's catching up.

Speaker 9:
[74:53] Wow. Well, happy to be back and I'm going to beat Hornsby.

Speaker 1:
[74:57] Yeah, no, no, he's, it'll take him a few years to even come close. All right. First question. I actually don't know this despite all our years talking to each other. Are you familiar with any of the Fruchante solo material?

Speaker 10:
[75:11] Fruchante?

Speaker 4:
[75:13] John Fruchante.

Speaker 1:
[75:14] Are you familiar with any of John Fruchante's solo material?

Speaker 9:
[75:18] Can you help me along with what the non-solo material is?

Speaker 1:
[75:22] He's a guitarist in a very prominent, possibly the greatest American rock band of the last 40 years.

Speaker 9:
[75:28] Wait, hold on. Say that again?

Speaker 1:
[75:32] John Fruchante is the guitarist, the on-again, off-again guitarist in what is possibly the greatest American rock band of the last 40 years.

Speaker 5:
[75:43] Rock slash funk.

Speaker 4:
[75:45] From LA.

Speaker 1:
[75:46] From LA.

Speaker 4:
[75:47] You've probably seen him in a concert.

Speaker 9:
[75:50] Rock slash funk from LA. Red Hot Chili Peppers?

Speaker 5:
[75:55] Yes.

Speaker 4:
[75:56] Ding, ding, ding. All right.

Speaker 1:
[75:58] Good job.

Speaker 9:
[75:59] Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[76:00] Do you like any Chili Peppers material?

Speaker 9:
[76:02] I do, yeah. I love the song from the Conehead soundtrack.

Speaker 7:
[76:07] Yes.

Speaker 9:
[76:08] It's my favorite.

Speaker 2:
[76:10] Just listen to it.

Speaker 1:
[76:11] Just listen to that.

Speaker 10:
[76:12] It's so good.

Speaker 1:
[76:13] And what about like, it's 1991, you're born and raised in LA, and this like beautiful, mysterious song takes over MTV and the airwaves under the bridge. Did you feel like that captured like something about the soul of the city?

Speaker 9:
[76:26] I remember this woman who was like a family friend. She was David Lynch's cousin, Susan, and she was obsessed with the fact that his mom sang back up on that song. And so she would do like an invitation of her being like, under the bridge I fall.

Speaker 1:
[76:41] Like, so the mom's choir comes in.

Speaker 9:
[76:44] The mom's choir.

Speaker 10:
[76:45] There you go.

Speaker 9:
[76:47] I mean, that's that captures the soul of family.

Speaker 1:
[76:50] Absolutely.

Speaker 9:
[76:51] I don't know if it was my LA per se, but now in retrospect, I can understand why they are like so meaningful to the city.

Speaker 1:
[77:01] When you're like 15 growing up, some of your dudes talking about like doing heroin under a bridge downtown. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[77:06] I mean, I wasn't doing that.

Speaker 1:
[77:09] Yeah, no, that must have been scary.

Speaker 9:
[77:11] Well, anyway, I was very scared by the song under the bridge. Very. Still am.

Speaker 1:
[77:20] So we're going to do a Gen X challenge. Like, what's the best way to do it today? I think maybe it's fun just to start with. I guess let's let's do each genre.

Speaker 9:
[77:29] Is this a competition or Jake and I in competition? That's not a competition. What do you think?

Speaker 2:
[77:36] I mean, friendly competition.

Speaker 1:
[77:38] Yes, friendly competition. I guess let's put it this way. The expectation is that Jake is going to instantly recognize more songs in the alternative top five and you're going to recognize more in R&B. But you are both allowed to steal.

Speaker 4:
[77:53] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[77:53] Every song is up for grabs.

Speaker 4:
[77:55] First one in.

Speaker 1:
[77:56] First one in. So we'll start with Jake. But even if we come out of the alternative section and it's 5-0 Jake, you know, you're going to have an opportunity for a major rebuttal when we get into R&B. But it's up for grabs.

Speaker 4:
[78:08] You want to do all the alternatives and then all the R&Bs. You don't want to go back and forth.

Speaker 1:
[78:12] I want to do it that way. I don't know why. Like, I just want to get a real. So we're looking at the top five in both the modern rock tracks, which is now called alternative airplay. And then we'll do the hot R&B singles chart. And we're doing it from 1991. Why?

Speaker 4:
[78:27] April.

Speaker 1:
[78:29] Why April 1991? Rashida?

Speaker 9:
[78:32] Because you were seven years old.

Speaker 8:
[78:37] Your seventh birthday?

Speaker 4:
[78:39] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[78:40] It was my seventh birthday, kind of looking at Gen X culture and say, wow, I hope I have some cool Gen Xers in my life when I grow up.

Speaker 9:
[78:49] On my radio show?

Speaker 4:
[78:50] Little did you know.

Speaker 1:
[78:52] Little did I know. It's like you're seven years old being like, I gotta say, millennials are pretty weak. I'm way more of a fan of Gen X. I probably always did feel that way. 1991, April 1991, this is when Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic came out.

Speaker 4:
[79:12] Oh. Or was being recorded. It was being recorded in April and then it was released, I guess, in the fall. But this is also before Nirvana has broken onto the scene. So this might be a weird selection of rock music.

Speaker 9:
[79:27] Oh, so like grunge is a concept wasn't even...

Speaker 4:
[79:30] We're six months out from that.

Speaker 9:
[79:32] Got it.

Speaker 4:
[79:32] Starting to emerge.

Speaker 9:
[79:33] So we need them. So this is the time when we needed them.

Speaker 4:
[79:37] Yes, this is the calm before the storm.

Speaker 1:
[79:39] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[79:39] Got it.

Speaker 1:
[79:40] But this is the milieu when RHCP is recording with Rick Rubin in a spooky mansion.

Speaker 4:
[79:46] Right, so picture them taking a break, getting in the car, driving down into Hollywood to get some burritos, car radio on.

Speaker 1:
[79:55] All right, everybody, buzzers ready? The number five song this week on the Modern Rock Tracks, April 91.

Speaker 9:
[80:05] I got it. Unbelievable.

Speaker 5:
[80:09] Rashida with the robbery.

Speaker 4:
[80:10] Is that Jesus Jones?

Speaker 9:
[80:12] No. UMF.

Speaker 1:
[80:14] Can you name the artist?

Speaker 10:
[80:15] UMF?

Speaker 2:
[80:16] EMF.

Speaker 10:
[80:17] EMF.

Speaker 9:
[80:18] Sorry, Jake.

Speaker 4:
[80:20] Who's giving score?

Speaker 2:
[80:23] Me. This is very, but this song is very Chili Peppers adjacent.

Speaker 10:
[80:29] For sure.

Speaker 2:
[80:29] Like, if this is what's going on, Yeah, it's funky. They're not breaking totally new ground.

Speaker 1:
[80:34] Oh, by the way, the winner.

Speaker 10:
[80:36] Huge hit.

Speaker 1:
[80:37] The winner gets a collection of Frusciante solo material on any format of your choice.

Speaker 9:
[80:46] Mini CD?

Speaker 1:
[80:48] Yeah, we could do a mini CD.

Speaker 9:
[80:53] Good slaps. This song is good. Always.

Speaker 1:
[80:56] Okay. Opinions? Gen Xers? Did you guys think this was a cool song when it came out?

Speaker 3:
[81:02] I don't consider this alternative. This is to me is like pop, right?

Speaker 9:
[81:07] It's pretty pop, but at the time, it probably felt alternative, right? Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[81:11] They're definitely English, right? So yeah, it's like, yeah, Manchester.

Speaker 9:
[81:21] Isn't this considered baggy?

Speaker 1:
[81:24] Yes. I think this is baggy. Absolutely.

Speaker 5:
[81:27] What's baggy?

Speaker 1:
[81:29] Baggy is like Happy Monday's primal stream, like English dudes.

Speaker 9:
[81:35] Little hats. Little hats.

Speaker 1:
[81:37] Maybe English women, but English people wearing hats and combining break beats with like rock music.

Speaker 4:
[81:44] Got you. Yeah, Happy Mondays. Right, right.

Speaker 2:
[81:48] I have a very specific memory of like this song along with like PM Dawn.

Speaker 9:
[81:53] I was going to say there's a PM Dawn vibe here too, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[82:35] The number four song on Modern Rock Tracks.

Speaker 7:
[82:43] Hmm.

Speaker 9:
[82:54] It's gotta be some like, Smithy kinda, right? This is like English.

Speaker 4:
[82:59] It does sound British.

Speaker 1:
[83:01] It sounds UK.

Speaker 9:
[83:01] It's definitely British. It sounds like The Shins.

Speaker 7:
[83:09] It does. You know?

Speaker 1:
[83:14] The band is from Chicago, we're hearing.

Speaker 9:
[83:16] Really?

Speaker 4:
[83:17] This band is from Chicago? I love Americans doing British accent.

Speaker 9:
[83:28] Kids, must be called Valerie something, right?

Speaker 4:
[83:30] Are these a famous band?

Speaker 9:
[83:32] Valerie's writing? Valerie?

Speaker 7:
[83:34] No.

Speaker 1:
[83:35] 91 is such a crazy year.

Speaker 9:
[83:37] Weird. No. I don't think I've ever heard this song.

Speaker 1:
[83:40] I don't think they're from Chicago, but it's made me think of like the Smithereens, like that kind of era of like.

Speaker 4:
[83:46] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[83:47] This sounds like an 80s band.

Speaker 9:
[83:49] So totally.

Speaker 4:
[83:50] For sure.

Speaker 9:
[83:51] It's hard to imagine. I thought for sure 1991, I would just know every song that was on the air.

Speaker 10:
[83:57] I think 92, you know?

Speaker 4:
[83:59] I think.

Speaker 9:
[83:59] Maybe 92.

Speaker 4:
[84:00] We're doing a weird year.

Speaker 7:
[84:02] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[84:03] Transitional time. Yeah, this is full 80s.

Speaker 4:
[84:06] Who is it, Matt?

Speaker 1:
[84:07] Who is it, Matt?

Speaker 6:
[84:08] It is Material Issue with Valerie Loves Me.

Speaker 2:
[84:11] Material Issue?

Speaker 9:
[84:12] Material Issue.

Speaker 4:
[84:14] I don't think I've ever even heard of it.

Speaker 2:
[84:16] Was this like in a movie?

Speaker 6:
[84:17] Never.

Speaker 2:
[84:17] Or how did this break?

Speaker 9:
[84:20] This is a shocking number four.

Speaker 1:
[84:22] This is very College Rock, like 85. Okay, I'm not mad at it, but.

Speaker 4:
[84:26] Yeah, I like the verse.

Speaker 9:
[84:28] I think it's probably nostalgic.

Speaker 4:
[84:46] You know.

Speaker 1:
[84:58] This might be one of the most intense English accents I've ever heard from an American band.

Speaker 4:
[85:03] I know. I think it's the most intense.

Speaker 1:
[85:06] Yeah. Like people used to say, Billy Joe from Green Day did it, but nothing like this.

Speaker 4:
[85:11] Right.

Speaker 9:
[85:13] I don't hate it.

Speaker 1:
[85:14] No, it's not bad at all. All right, we get the idea.

Speaker 4:
[85:17] All right, number three.

Speaker 1:
[85:18] A little issue, number three.

Speaker 4:
[85:25] It sounds like Hornsby.

Speaker 7:
[85:27] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[85:32] God, this is a weird one, guys.

Speaker 9:
[85:33] How is this alternative?

Speaker 4:
[85:35] There was no alternative.

Speaker 10:
[85:37] Yeah, there wasn't.

Speaker 4:
[85:37] Mainstream alternative music.

Speaker 5:
[85:38] Everything changed after Nevermind.

Speaker 10:
[85:41] Wow.

Speaker 9:
[85:42] This is the proof.

Speaker 4:
[85:43] Matt, was there an alternative chart in 91?

Speaker 1:
[85:46] No, it was Modern Rock.

Speaker 9:
[85:47] Modern Rock.

Speaker 1:
[85:48] It became alternative.

Speaker 9:
[85:49] They reinvented.

Speaker 1:
[85:51] Could it be like Peter Gabriel?

Speaker 9:
[85:53] Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[85:53] Like, maybe.

Speaker 9:
[85:54] Oh, that's synth.

Speaker 10:
[85:55] Maybe.

Speaker 1:
[86:00] Oh, you too? Is that Bono?

Speaker 9:
[86:03] I think so. It sounds like you too.

Speaker 1:
[86:05] InXS?

Speaker 9:
[86:10] It's definitely a big band with like an album cut that got to the charts.

Speaker 1:
[86:15] Are they English?

Speaker 6:
[86:16] Scottish, I think.

Speaker 1:
[86:18] Scottish? Uh, is it the Water Boys?

Speaker 9:
[86:30] Do they have a bigger hit than this?

Speaker 4:
[86:32] It's so you too.

Speaker 6:
[86:33] They have a song from an 80s movie that is gigantic.

Speaker 9:
[86:37] Simple Minds.

Speaker 4:
[86:39] Wow. Oh, wow. Wow, I'm getting stomped here.

Speaker 7:
[86:42] Okay, Rashida.

Speaker 4:
[86:45] I think it's already over.

Speaker 3:
[86:46] Jake, you're getting mugged.

Speaker 1:
[86:47] You're getting mugged.

Speaker 4:
[86:50] I'm getting fully mugged here.

Speaker 6:
[86:52] You're getting fogged.

Speaker 9:
[86:53] I'm mugging you. I'm maxing myself and mugging you.

Speaker 1:
[86:57] Rashida, did you know that Simple Minds was Scottish?

Speaker 9:
[87:01] I knew they were from somewhere around there. What's the big thing about it?

Speaker 10:
[87:07] Don't you forget about me.

Speaker 1:
[87:12] So you recognize the boys?

Speaker 9:
[87:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[87:15] I'm impressed because there's a lot of big songs from 80s movies. I was about to say the Proclaimers. Oh, I mean, I guess that's probably from the 90s. All right. The number two song, Modern Rock Tracks.

Speaker 7:
[87:34] Sounds cool.

Speaker 9:
[87:35] It does sound cool. Sounds like it started in the middle of a song. I'm down.

Speaker 4:
[87:48] Oh, Morrissey.

Speaker 9:
[87:49] Yeah. Or this, yeah, Morrissey's solo, I'm assuming.

Speaker 4:
[87:53] Yeah, Smiths are Done, 91.

Speaker 9:
[87:55] God, what a voice. What's that voice?

Speaker 4:
[87:58] Incredible.

Speaker 9:
[87:59] God! No one sounds like that. They try, but no one sounds like that.

Speaker 1:
[88:09] What's this song called?

Speaker 6:
[88:10] Our Frank.

Speaker 9:
[88:11] Our Frank? Like ours?

Speaker 6:
[88:15] Our Frank.

Speaker 1:
[88:16] We know a guy named Frank. He's our Frank.

Speaker 4:
[88:18] It's a good title.

Speaker 9:
[88:20] It's funny, though. There's clearly, the pattern is, it's nostalgia. It's like because there's no new wave of rock, people are just like, all right, what 80s people that we love, can we just listen to?

Speaker 4:
[88:33] Or it's like the sort of tail end of the career, of the big part of the career, at least.

Speaker 9:
[88:38] Yeah. There's a funny short story of like, that you could imagine, like some 80s rock guy, like being like, we made it, number three on the charts. And then like the next year, just being blasted by Nirvana, like never to have a hit again.

Speaker 4:
[88:54] I thought we'd be getting more hair metal. I thought we'd be getting like, kind of like a-

Speaker 9:
[88:58] No, 91?

Speaker 10:
[88:59] No. Yeah, like a late period. Too late.

Speaker 1:
[89:01] But I guess this is what was considered modern rock. So maybe, maybe it's like Nirvana actually helped combine like this idea of like mainstream alternative with heaviness. I feel like when you meet like older Gen Xers, not like you guys, not like you baby Gen Xers, I think if you're like grown- if you're fully in high school in the 80s and you're like a Gen X alternative dude, not like coming of age in the early 90s where you're like, Oh, I like Paveman and Nirvana more like a Jake. Like if you were like five years older, you really had to draw a line in the sand, either be like, I'm an Elvis Costello XTC guy, or I'm an air metal psychopath. Like I'm a gentle spirit or I mean, and I guess Dinosaur Jr. was starting to create the synthesis that led to Nirvana. But I think this music you'd be like, yeah, more. I like the Smiths. I like smart music.

Speaker 4:
[89:56] I like the SST catalog. And then there's the guys who are like, I like Def Leppard and Guns N Roses and Warrant and Poison and Slaughter and Dockin and all those bands. Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[90:08] Wasn't there a heavy metal chart though? Maybe there was a separate one.

Speaker 4:
[90:12] Yeah. So this is the modern rock chart. And then there's also a rock chart.

Speaker 3:
[90:15] Is that correct? Oh, okay.

Speaker 4:
[90:18] So how many rock charts are there? There's modern rock, rock.

Speaker 9:
[90:23] I bet there's heavy metal.

Speaker 4:
[90:24] Is there a hard rock metal chart as well?

Speaker 6:
[90:27] So there was a rock albums and top tracks chart. So there was a top rocks track that is now called the mainstream rock chart. And they were, they combined it, active rock and heritage rock formats. Heritage rock. Heritage rock.

Speaker 4:
[90:41] That's the language from 91?

Speaker 6:
[90:43] From 81, yeah.

Speaker 4:
[90:45] That's the language?

Speaker 6:
[90:46] Yeah, so. Wow.

Speaker 4:
[90:48] It started in 81.

Speaker 3:
[90:48] It's very complicated.

Speaker 6:
[90:50] I'm confused.

Speaker 1:
[90:51] It's funny to think that there was, somebody worked at Billboard in the early 90s and was like, rock is so indomitable, growing all the time, there's so many different types of rock. Right now, we have three different charts. By 2026, we'll probably have a hundred, because rock will never die.

Speaker 5:
[91:12] There's going to be so many different kinds of rock.

Speaker 1:
[91:14] It's going to be hard to keep track of. The future is looking bright for various rock charts.

Speaker 4:
[91:19] Invest in rock.

Speaker 1:
[91:21] Invest in rock. All right, what's number one?

Speaker 9:
[91:26] Oh, yeah, REM.

Speaker 1:
[91:27] All right, Jake got there first. You guys are two and two right now.

Speaker 4:
[91:31] Yeah, there was one that we didn't get. So I really had my work cut out for me in the RMB chart. Did you like this at the time, Rashida?

Speaker 9:
[91:45] I did. This is one of my first CDs, green.

Speaker 4:
[91:48] Oh, wow.

Speaker 10:
[91:48] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[91:49] No, this is not green, man.

Speaker 9:
[91:50] I mean, not green.

Speaker 10:
[91:51] Sorry.

Speaker 9:
[91:52] Sorry, sir.

Speaker 3:
[91:53] Sorry.

Speaker 9:
[91:53] What is this one called?

Speaker 3:
[91:54] Out of Time?

Speaker 9:
[91:55] Sorry. Oh, yeah. Well, this doesn't. I didn't. Did I have a CD? Yeah, I did have a CD at this time. Sorry. I had the first one too.

Speaker 1:
[92:02] Green has like a stand.

Speaker 9:
[92:05] Stand. I love stand. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[92:08] How many R&M albums did you have?

Speaker 9:
[92:10] Two.

Speaker 10:
[92:11] Those two.

Speaker 4:
[92:12] So after, so you didn't get automatic to the people. You didn't?

Speaker 9:
[92:14] No, no. But I went to see them live.

Speaker 10:
[92:18] Really?

Speaker 4:
[92:18] Where? What year?

Speaker 10:
[92:19] At the Greek.

Speaker 9:
[92:22] I want to say it had to be Y2K because when they played End of the World, people were like, oh my god, this is crazy. The world's going to end. So it must have been 1999.

Speaker 1:
[92:32] Late 90s? Okay. Was Bill Berry on drums?

Speaker 8:
[92:37] I don't know.

Speaker 9:
[92:39] What did I have for breakfast? I don't know.

Speaker 5:
[92:41] Really think about it. Rashida, really visualize it. Was Bill Berry on drums? Really? Put yourself back there.

Speaker 9:
[92:48] Yes, definitely.

Speaker 3:
[92:50] Have y'all heard the Weird Al Yankovic parody of a stand called Spam?

Speaker 9:
[92:56] Oh yeah.

Speaker 8:
[92:57] I had that on cassette.

Speaker 5:
[93:02] Yeah!

Speaker 9:
[93:06] That's also a hit. I mean, that's like crossed over everything. Yeah, that must have been number one for a while. That song was unavoidable.

Speaker 1:
[93:15] But so you are an REM fan.

Speaker 9:
[93:17] Yeah, yeah. Big time. I don't think you cannot be.

Speaker 1:
[93:20] Jake and I had a long REM conversation in Berlin. Jake, I know Jake is very familiar with Automatic for the People, the next album.

Speaker 9:
[93:27] What's the biggest hit on that one?

Speaker 4:
[93:29] Everybody Hurts.

Speaker 10:
[93:31] Everybody hurts.

Speaker 9:
[93:34] That's a good song too.

Speaker 4:
[93:35] And that one's also got Man on the Moon.

Speaker 9:
[93:39] Oh, great song. Yeah, they're great. What can you say about REM?

Speaker 10:
[93:43] They're great.

Speaker 9:
[93:44] Good songwriter.

Speaker 4:
[93:45] Have you heard the early material, like Murmur?

Speaker 9:
[93:49] No.

Speaker 1:
[93:50] What about the post-Bill Berry material?

Speaker 9:
[93:52] No, when Bill left, I just was out, you know?

Speaker 5:
[93:56] You checked out?

Speaker 9:
[93:57] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[93:58] Wait, time for, what year did Bill Berry leave?

Speaker 4:
[94:00] I'm gonna say like 96.

Speaker 3:
[94:03] He left October 97.

Speaker 10:
[94:06] Oh, it's very close.

Speaker 9:
[94:07] Who knows, you know? Also, Michael Stipe was like, is such a, like he's such a figure of, a Gen X figure of cool. You know, like he was around a lot in the New York scene, kind of like people I knew in the nineties. And like, if he was there, I was like Michael Stipe's here. You know, like he was, he's the coolest.

Speaker 1:
[95:30] R&B, let's go. 1991.

Speaker 9:
[95:31] Let's go, Jake.

Speaker 1:
[95:34] Number five song, Fleeing Anthony, Getting in the Car, Throwing On. What was the 90s LA R&B station?

Speaker 9:
[95:42] Well, there's KJLH, there's The Beat.

Speaker 1:
[95:45] Throw on The Beat, Anthony.

Speaker 6:
[95:47] All right.

Speaker 9:
[95:51] Oh, yes, whatever you want, Tony, Tony, Tony.

Speaker 2:
[95:54] This song's so good.

Speaker 5:
[96:01] That little guitar flourish, a little Fruchante. Maybe Fruchante heard it.

Speaker 9:
[96:06] Come on.

Speaker 1:
[96:07] Wait, did Rafael Siddique play guitar?

Speaker 2:
[96:09] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[96:10] I think so.

Speaker 1:
[96:11] So Tony, Tony, Tony is what brought Rafael Siddique to prominence initially?

Speaker 4:
[96:18] Who is that? Who is Rafael Siddique?

Speaker 9:
[96:20] Great, great musician, great musician.

Speaker 1:
[96:24] Produced a million things, collaborated.

Speaker 9:
[96:26] Collaborated, solo artist.

Speaker 1:
[96:28] Solo material.

Speaker 9:
[96:29] He had another group called Lucy Pearl. He's great. This is one of our best. I played this song so much in high school. Does anybody else know this song, or is it just me? Nobody know this song?

Speaker 4:
[96:48] I think I know it.

Speaker 10:
[96:49] Thanks Seinfeld. Okay.

Speaker 1:
[96:50] Seinfeld knows it.

Speaker 4:
[96:51] The chorus was familiar.

Speaker 9:
[96:58] This is a very emo song for me.

Speaker 1:
[97:08] You know way more about the history of R&B than I do, but to my kind of like from a distance, I feel like I can't think of that much music that sounded like this before it, but there's a lot of music after that.

Speaker 9:
[97:20] After, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[97:20] All the way into the 2000s.

Speaker 9:
[97:24] Oh, you guys, this is good, this bridge. Listen, the lyrics.

Speaker 1:
[97:34] Wait, what is it? Pause it.

Speaker 9:
[97:35] He says, what makes you think I would try to run a game on you just as sure as my name is Dwayne?

Speaker 10:
[97:41] It's a good lyric.

Speaker 9:
[97:42] That's Dwayne is the singer.

Speaker 4:
[97:44] You really know this.

Speaker 1:
[97:45] Wow, you really know that.

Speaker 3:
[97:47] Yeah. I know.

Speaker 1:
[97:49] All right.

Speaker 4:
[97:49] Have you heard this in the last like 20 years?

Speaker 9:
[97:52] Yeah, I played this all the time. OK, like I'm stuck there.

Speaker 4:
[97:57] It's on current playlists.

Speaker 9:
[97:58] Yeah, this is going to be unfair because 91 for I'm still in 1991.

Speaker 4:
[98:03] You know, no, Jake, I'm still in 94.

Speaker 10:
[98:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9:
[98:07] Next time we'll do 94.

Speaker 1:
[98:09] It would have been more fair probably to do the 91 R&B chart and then and then 94, 94 alternative rock chart.

Speaker 9:
[98:15] I think we did that. I think we did 94 once.

Speaker 4:
[98:19] Yeah, that rings a bell.

Speaker 1:
[98:20] I don't know. All right. There'll be a rematch soon. OK, number four song R&B charts.

Speaker 9:
[98:28] Oh, let's chill.

Speaker 10:
[98:32] Bye. Really?

Speaker 1:
[98:34] Wow. Just from that sound. Yes.

Speaker 3:
[98:37] Shazam.

Speaker 9:
[98:39] I'm 90s R&B Shazam.

Speaker 3:
[98:41] That's right.

Speaker 9:
[98:45] Thank you guys. This song, this is the song everybody.

Speaker 1:
[98:48] Shazam plus Rashida, Shashida.

Speaker 9:
[98:51] Everybody hooked up to the song. This was like Guy was like it.

Speaker 4:
[98:57] So is that G-U-Y?

Speaker 9:
[98:59] G-U-Y.

Speaker 4:
[99:00] That's a cool name.

Speaker 1:
[99:01] That equally could have been the name of an alternative rock band in 1991. Have you heard Guy?

Speaker 5:
[99:08] Yeah, they're from they're from Manchester.

Speaker 10:
[99:11] Little hats, little hats.

Speaker 9:
[99:14] It's also really funny because it's such a grown ass song and there's all these 14 year olds being like, let's chill, let's settle down.

Speaker 7:
[99:21] This is so funny. Oh my God.

Speaker 4:
[99:25] This is a patient number. Long intro.

Speaker 9:
[99:30] Long.

Speaker 1:
[99:31] Yes, truly.

Speaker 9:
[99:32] This album was huge. This Guy album, this is Teddy Riley. You guys probably know Teddy Riley, right?

Speaker 4:
[99:38] Yeah, I know the name.

Speaker 1:
[99:40] So this is before Black Street.

Speaker 9:
[99:42] Yeah, major producer. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[99:44] OK, OK. Yeah, I know Black Street.

Speaker 9:
[99:47] Yeah, that's after this.

Speaker 1:
[99:48] You know, No Diggity.

Speaker 4:
[99:49] Yeah, and those ballads they had. Can I get a veggie burrito, a bad avocado, no sour cream?

Speaker 9:
[100:10] And for my friend Anthony, he just wants a Diet Coke. This is also on this whole album, Repeat, like Flip the Tape, Repeat. Both, the Tony, Tony, Tony. I have the CDs of both of these still in my possession from high school.

Speaker 4:
[100:36] You still have your CDs from that one?

Speaker 9:
[100:38] Yes, I have my CD book.

Speaker 4:
[100:40] That's so sick.

Speaker 9:
[100:46] But finally, also the crazy thing is every single one of my friends that's still my friend from high school, you could play them that first chord and they would know what was going on.

Speaker 1:
[100:55] That was very impressive. Is the rest of the album this tempo? Is this just the vibe?

Speaker 4:
[101:01] Yeah. Are there any off tempo numbers?

Speaker 9:
[101:04] Oh, yeah. Teddy's Jam, Teddy Riley's Jam and I Like is a really big song from this album.

Speaker 1:
[101:09] The album is called The Future.

Speaker 4:
[101:11] I like how slow it is.

Speaker 9:
[101:13] It's just like so slow, like nothing's this slow anymore.

Speaker 4:
[101:17] No, just like let's have a minute long intro of a very slow song and release it as a single.

Speaker 9:
[101:24] I'm really sad there's no groups anymore. Like I used to talk about this with my friends like, why are there no groups? Like there's bands, but there's no groups like in R&B. Like I think people like would hook up a church and start a group and they don't really do that anymore.

Speaker 1:
[101:41] I feel like people don't go to church anymore.

Speaker 9:
[101:43] K-pop. Yeah, people don't go to church anymore.

Speaker 2:
[101:47] They gotta go to church.

Speaker 4:
[101:48] So the decline of church going has made the music suffer. That makes sense.

Speaker 5:
[101:54] We need an R&B geese.

Speaker 9:
[101:56] That's right. Oh my God. There's a lot of good R&B, but nothing's really broken through in the same way.

Speaker 6:
[102:03] All right.

Speaker 1:
[102:04] Number three song. Let's see if you can go five for five.

Speaker 9:
[102:10] No, it's, um...

Speaker 8:
[102:14] Uh-oh.

Speaker 9:
[102:14] You play hard to get, the boys. No, wait.

Speaker 8:
[102:21] Is it Bobby Brown?

Speaker 9:
[102:23] Ooh, no.

Speaker 8:
[102:25] Oh, is it New-

Speaker 10:
[102:27] Wait, wait.

Speaker 9:
[102:36] I haven't heard this in so long. Hold on, I have to hear the bridge. It's the other boy group, the little boy group, the Didaisha. ABC, ABC.

Speaker 6:
[103:02] It's a solo artist.

Speaker 9:
[103:05] Stone Cold Gentlemen Ralph Tresvant. Dang, I can't believe I didn't get that.

Speaker 1:
[103:08] Oh, it's Ralph Tresvant.

Speaker 7:
[103:09] Oh, but Ralph...

Speaker 1:
[103:10] Wait, Ralph Tresvant was in New Edition, but not Belle Biv De Vaux?

Speaker 4:
[103:23] Who was the artist?

Speaker 10:
[103:25] Ralph Tresvant.

Speaker 4:
[103:26] So he was in New Edition with Bobby Brown?

Speaker 9:
[103:29] Yeah, so...

Speaker 4:
[103:30] That's why I thought, okay, I thought I was going to get one there.

Speaker 1:
[103:34] You came close, Jake.

Speaker 9:
[103:35] You came close.

Speaker 1:
[103:39] Ralph Tresvant, he was a former colleague of Bill Bivdevo.

Speaker 9:
[103:43] Yes, this was not his biggest hit. He had a huge hit called Sensitivity, that my sister surprised me at my birthday party, and he sang to me many years ago.

Speaker 7:
[103:55] Oh, wow.

Speaker 8:
[103:56] Yeah, it was a real major.

Speaker 9:
[104:00] My pajama jammie jam.

Speaker 4:
[104:01] Oh, look, as a full grown ass adult.

Speaker 9:
[104:04] A grown ass, oh, in my 40s.

Speaker 8:
[104:06] Oh, no, it was like a throwback. It was a throwback party.

Speaker 1:
[104:09] That rock.

Speaker 2:
[104:11] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[104:17] Oh wait, this song features a rap from Bobby Brown?

Speaker 9:
[104:22] They still perform together. New edition.

Speaker 8:
[104:32] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[104:32] He rejoined?

Speaker 9:
[104:33] Like, I mean, like, they, like, like, Yeah, it's Ralph, Bobby, Ronnie, Ricky, Mike, and Ralph, and sometimes Johnny.

Speaker 3:
[104:40] Do they do Candy Girl?

Speaker 9:
[104:42] Yeah, they do Telephone Man, Candy Girl.

Speaker 1:
[104:46] You still sing that high?

Speaker 9:
[104:47] They do BBD hits, they do...

Speaker 7:
[104:49] Oh, wow.

Speaker 10:
[104:51] Stone Cold Gentlemen?

Speaker 9:
[104:51] They do solo hits, Stone Cold Gentlemen, probably.

Speaker 1:
[104:55] Wait, can we also just talk about, what an amazing title that is?

Speaker 10:
[104:59] It's great.

Speaker 9:
[105:07] I'm disappointed with myself that I didn't get that earlier. I'm gonna tell you guys right now.

Speaker 4:
[105:11] Well, you're still three for three.

Speaker 1:
[105:13] So this is Bobby Brown coming in with a little rap.

Speaker 9:
[105:30] Again, by the way, what this has in common with the modern rock chart is, this was kind of the way, I'm sorry to say, but this is like the way out for this type of R&B. Like he was catching the last wave probably, you know?

Speaker 1:
[105:45] Yeah, he started in the 80s. This is kind of like a transitional year.

Speaker 9:
[105:49] This is also before hip hop and R&B really merged in that way that kind of like when Tim Tupac and Biggie were top of the charts, where they'd get like those good hooks and the rhymes. Like, sorry to Bobby Brown, no disrespect, but like, you know, where it was like about like lyric, like real lyricism, you know? Real flow.

Speaker 1:
[106:10] Stone Cold Gentlemen is a very useful phrase. Gonna be like a cool thing just to like say, call a stranger, drop your scarf, just someone's like, oh hey, and it's like, hey, thank you. You're a stone cold gentleman.

Speaker 9:
[106:25] I don't know if you can say it like that. Thank you? Give it a little thank you? You're a stone cold gentleman.

Speaker 1:
[106:31] You're a stone cold gentleman.

Speaker 9:
[106:33] Has anybody ever told you?

Speaker 2:
[106:35] I think that's something you say about somebody, but not to somebody. You know what I mean? Like, oh, Ezra, oh, he's a stone cold gentleman. But I don't think you direct it.

Speaker 1:
[106:44] Well, I'm gonna try it.

Speaker 4:
[106:47] I dare you, dude.

Speaker 1:
[106:49] I'm gonna try it. You know what, man? I accidentally poured two coffees. You can take the other one for free.

Speaker 7:
[106:57] What?

Speaker 1:
[106:59] Thank you. You're a stone cold gentleman. All right, I got two more. Number two, R&B. Can she get it before the vocals?

Speaker 10:
[107:12] This is giving 94.7 away.

Speaker 9:
[107:14] Oh, I know this song! Keith, wait, no, Keith Washington? No, wait, hold on. Oh, man.

Speaker 1:
[107:22] Still pretty 80s sounding.

Speaker 4:
[107:24] Also very slow.

Speaker 7:
[107:26] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[107:28] BPMs were not a priority at this time. It's Freddie Jackson or... Freddie Jackson?

Speaker 4:
[107:45] Yeah.

Speaker 6:
[107:45] What?

Speaker 7:
[107:46] Okay.

Speaker 9:
[107:51] This is very Late Night LA.

Speaker 4:
[107:53] You are a connoisseur of this genre.

Speaker 9:
[107:57] Thank you, thank you. It's truly all that I live to be.

Speaker 1:
[108:00] Which song connotes Late Night LA more to you? This or Under the Bridge?

Speaker 9:
[108:04] Actually, well, no, Under the Bridge is All Day Long.

Speaker 1:
[108:07] Yeah, that's an all day song. What's the story with Freddie Jackson?

Speaker 9:
[108:17] I think in another song called Old Time's Safe that was really big, he's...

Speaker 1:
[108:22] He was born in 1956, so he was...

Speaker 9:
[108:24] Wow!

Speaker 1:
[108:26] He'd been around for a minute. His career started in the 70s, the late 70s.

Speaker 9:
[108:39] Do Me Again, Do Me Again, is that what it's called? Do Me Again, what's the song called? Do Me Again?

Speaker 5:
[108:44] It's called Do Me Again.

Speaker 9:
[108:48] You know what, you gotta love the 90s, cause there was a song called Do Me, and a song called Do Me Again, and by different artists. That's what's great about the 90s.

Speaker 10:
[108:59] People were making love.

Speaker 4:
[109:01] Great praise, Do Me.

Speaker 10:
[109:03] Do Me, excellent.

Speaker 2:
[109:06] Jackson began his career, his professional music career in the late 1970s with the California funk band, Mystic Merlin.

Speaker 10:
[109:15] So I-

Speaker 4:
[109:16] Magic, dude.

Speaker 2:
[109:17] Magic, I was gonna say magic and funk.

Speaker 3:
[109:19] Dungeons and Dragons.

Speaker 10:
[109:21] Oh, sweet.

Speaker 1:
[109:22] They had an album called- Blood Merlin Sex Mystic.

Speaker 3:
[109:29] Blood Merlin.

Speaker 4:
[109:30] Blood Mer-

Speaker 9:
[109:33] That is a real late night track. I'm shocked that was number two. That was full 94.7 The Wave, like middle of the night.

Speaker 1:
[109:40] You're listening to Time Crisis. That was Freddie Jackson with Do Me Again.

Speaker 9:
[109:45] Very quiet storm, art leveaux.

Speaker 5:
[109:50] With Do Me Again.

Speaker 10:
[109:53] Do Me One-

Speaker 9:
[109:54] Oh, also Do It To Me One More Time. That's also a song, right?

Speaker 10:
[109:58] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[109:58] Do it to me one more time.

Speaker 10:
[110:01] Who's that by?

Speaker 1:
[110:02] That's like 70s?

Speaker 10:
[110:03] Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[110:04] Something. Yeah.

Speaker 10:
[110:04] Do it to me one more time. All right.

Speaker 9:
[110:08] A lot of doing.

Speaker 10:
[110:09] Doing it.

Speaker 1:
[110:10] I mean-

Speaker 4:
[110:11] And there's an ELO song called Do Ya.

Speaker 1:
[110:14] Do Ya, Do Ya, Want My Love.

Speaker 8:
[110:16] Is it Do Ya, Do Ya?

Speaker 9:
[110:17] Different.

Speaker 3:
[110:18] Yeah. Different.

Speaker 9:
[110:20] Gotta do it. You're doing it.

Speaker 1:
[110:23] All right. I mean, you basically have gotten every single one.

Speaker 4:
[110:27] Yeah, you're stomping me.

Speaker 1:
[110:28] Is it going to be a clean sweep?

Speaker 4:
[110:30] This is a blowout.

Speaker 1:
[110:30] The number one song on the R&B charts, April 91.

Speaker 9:
[110:39] Oh my goodness, wait, what? What is this? Also a late night cut.

Speaker 1:
[110:51] This almost could have been on the modern rock charts, too, based on what we heard.

Speaker 4:
[110:56] Seriously.

Speaker 9:
[110:57] Is it like Karen White? Wait, hold on.

Speaker 1:
[111:08] This is pretty Japanese sounding.

Speaker 9:
[111:11] Like chill wave.

Speaker 4:
[111:13] I can't get all these intros.

Speaker 2:
[111:15] This intro is crazy long.

Speaker 9:
[111:17] I don't know. Is it going to be a woman?

Speaker 10:
[111:19] Is it going to be a man?

Speaker 9:
[111:20] Is it a group?

Speaker 10:
[111:21] I don't know.

Speaker 9:
[111:32] Wait, I'm so mad at myself.

Speaker 1:
[111:36] The song is called Do Me A Third Time.

Speaker 9:
[111:47] Don't tell me anything. Let me hear the chorus. Is it Johnny Gill?

Speaker 6:
[111:52] Oh, wow.

Speaker 1:
[111:54] You got it.

Speaker 9:
[111:55] This is a real, real deep, deep cut. Wrap my body tight, yep. Also, another member of New Edition dominating the charts.

Speaker 6:
[112:08] Wow.

Speaker 1:
[112:08] They were killing it.

Speaker 9:
[112:12] This, I don't think I've heard this song since 1991. He also had a lot of hits, and this was not one of the biggest ones. I bet this was on the charts for a week.

Speaker 1:
[112:22] Well, what's the biggest of his hits?

Speaker 10:
[112:25] My, my, my, put on your red dress.

Speaker 9:
[112:28] Do you know that song? Or do me, rub me the right way.

Speaker 2:
[112:32] That's very do me.

Speaker 7:
[112:36] That'd be the right way.

Speaker 1:
[112:38] I really like the production of this song. It's a little vapor wave.

Speaker 9:
[112:41] Vapor wave, yeah, vapor wave.

Speaker 1:
[112:43] They like slow this down, get the instrumental and slow it down.

Speaker 9:
[112:47] I think that's why I like that, like that kind of music, cause it's all just 90s R&B, slow down.

Speaker 1:
[112:53] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[112:54] I mean, this could very easily be like just an instrumental with like David Sanborn, just going off, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4:
[113:00] Totally.

Speaker 9:
[113:02] Kenny G, you know?

Speaker 4:
[113:04] For sure.

Speaker 3:
[113:04] Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep.

Speaker 9:
[113:06] It's smooth jazz is really what it is, more than R&B in a way.

Speaker 1:
[113:10] But all synths.

Speaker 9:
[113:11] It's smooth jazz. Wow. That's a shocking number one. I'm gonna be honest with you. It feels like a change is coming when you hear this is number one.

Speaker 1:
[113:24] Wait, how about just to put a bow on it. Matt, what was the number one song on the Hot 100?

Speaker 9:
[113:30] Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[113:31] I mean, we can't even have a tiebreaker. Jake, it wasn't fair to Jake. You did a good job.

Speaker 9:
[113:36] It's not fair. It's not fair. You did a really good job.

Speaker 4:
[113:38] Thanks, guys.

Speaker 1:
[113:39] That doesn't take away from your achievement, Rashida, but.

Speaker 9:
[113:42] I teach a class at UCLA on 90s R&B, so it's not really fair.

Speaker 4:
[113:48] Clean sweep. And we tied on the alternative chart.

Speaker 9:
[113:52] That's true. Yeah. Oh yeah, what is love? What is love?

Speaker 7:
[114:00] Oh no, um...

Speaker 9:
[114:06] Flying in cannibals? No, who is it?

Speaker 4:
[114:10] Is it European?

Speaker 1:
[114:11] Oh, is this gonna be like some weird Euro thing? When nobody knows the name of the artist?

Speaker 4:
[114:17] Look at.

Speaker 7:
[114:17] Wow. The 91 was weird.

Speaker 4:
[114:22] Yeah, it really was.

Speaker 9:
[114:22] This is definitely was on like, that's what I call music 10 or whatever.

Speaker 4:
[114:25] Is this like Swedish or German?

Speaker 9:
[114:31] I bet I could guess the name, but I can't remember.

Speaker 1:
[114:33] His singing voice is pretty similar to the guy from Fine Young Cannibals.

Speaker 9:
[114:36] It is. And I remember thinking it was them then.

Speaker 1:
[114:44] That soft, all sound.

Speaker 9:
[114:51] What a strange time in music.

Speaker 1:
[114:54] I gotta be honest, guys, I'm not sure I really know this song.

Speaker 4:
[114:58] I recognize that chorus.

Speaker 10:
[115:02] What's the name?

Speaker 9:
[115:04] London Beat.

Speaker 10:
[115:07] Wow.

Speaker 7:
[115:07] Okay.

Speaker 8:
[115:09] Well, I won.

Speaker 4:
[115:17] Sad but true.

Speaker 6:
[115:19] All right. Great job.

Speaker 1:
[115:21] Congratulations to our most frequent guest, Rashida Jones, taking home the gold in today's Gen X Challenge. Jake, you got silver.

Speaker 10:
[115:32] What do I get?

Speaker 2:
[115:33] You get the John Cresante CD collection.

Speaker 9:
[115:37] Right. By the way, don't make a joke. I better see that showing up.

Speaker 1:
[115:42] Solo material only. I don't want to hear any where's by the way, where is Californication, where is Stadium Arcadium.

Speaker 5:
[115:50] I don't want to hear it.

Speaker 1:
[115:51] Solo material only. All right. Let's go out on.

Speaker 3:
[115:54] Mini disc, right?

Speaker 5:
[115:55] Yeah.

Speaker 9:
[115:55] Mini disc, please.

Speaker 2:
[115:56] All right.

Speaker 1:
[115:57] So I felt start number crunching if it has ever released on mini disc.

Speaker 4:
[116:00] All right.

Speaker 1:
[116:00] Let's go out with John Cresante's top song on Apple Music. With Ezra Koenig.