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Speaker 1:
[00:02] Hey, it's Latif. Earth Day is coming up on April 22nd. So this week, I wanted to bring you a story that is just a wholehearted celebration of nature from Radiolab's spinoff, Terrestrials. We released it last fall in the Radiolab for Kids feed. But look, I am a card carrying grownup, and I really enjoyed this one. And I think you will too, no matter how young or old you are, Lulu will tell you more in a second. So without further ado... Wait, you're listening?

Speaker 2:
[00:35] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[00:43] Look it!

Speaker 4:
[00:44] Radiolab.

Speaker 5:
[00:45] From WNYC.

Speaker 2:
[00:47] See? Three, two, one. Imagine.

Speaker 4:
[00:58] You wake up in the dark.

Speaker 2:
[01:01] Your eyes dart around to see.

Speaker 4:
[01:03] A little circle of blue shimmering light.

Speaker 2:
[01:07] You waddle over on your webbed feet and realize it's water.

Speaker 4:
[01:11] So, you dive in head first.

Speaker 2:
[01:13] As you kick and glide, you grow fur.

Speaker 4:
[01:16] Really thick fur.

Speaker 2:
[01:17] And an extra set of eyelids.

Speaker 4:
[01:20] That act like goggles underwater.

Speaker 2:
[01:22] And then you look behind you to find...

Speaker 4:
[01:24] A big, black, scaly paddle.

Speaker 2:
[01:27] It's your tail, which you can slap on the water with a nice, loud... You have become...

Speaker 4:
[01:33] A beaver.

Speaker 2:
[01:38] Okay, now is the part where I make you sing the theme song with me.

Speaker 4:
[01:41] Okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 6:
[01:50] First.

Speaker 2:
[01:51] Try again. Opposite of worst is...

Speaker 4:
[01:54] The best.

Speaker 7:
[01:55] Best real.

Speaker 8:
[01:56] Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 5:
[01:58] Okay, I like it.

Speaker 2:
[01:59] Terrestrials is a show where we uncover the strangeness waiting right here on Earth. I am your host, Lulu Miller, joined as always by my song bud.

Speaker 5:
[02:05] Take me to the river.

Speaker 2:
[02:06] Ellen.

Speaker 9:
[02:07] Swimming with the beaver.

Speaker 2:
[02:10] Here we are kicking off this brand new season of terrestrials. While all around us, really hard things are going on. Wildfires, wars, climate change. We wanted in this moment to look to creatures that might give us hope. Creatures that actually mend the world around them. And there is maybe no mammal that has such an outsized positive effect on the planet than beavers. Yup. Those buck-toothed, waddling, funny looking rodents. By the end of the episode, you will see how a single family of beavers can have such a positive impact on the world around them. You can literally see it from space. So our story today is going to center around one little beaver named Jose. He will rise out of murky waters in a place where no one expected he could survive. And to tell us his tale is producer bud, Anna.

Speaker 10:
[03:16] Yup. That's me. Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[03:18] You know, Jose is this incredible symbol.

Speaker 10:
[03:22] And here to help me is Ben Goldfarb, who's a writer.

Speaker 4:
[03:25] And Beaver Believer.

Speaker 10:
[03:26] Don't stop beave-leaving. So Jose, he waddles out into the world with little webbed feet and whiskers and very large buck teeth that are bright orange because apparently...

Speaker 4:
[03:40] Beaver's teeth actually contain iron.

Speaker 10:
[03:43] Whoa. Metal teeth? Yeah.

Speaker 4:
[03:45] Like a chisel.

Speaker 10:
[03:47] The iron makes their teeth excellent for chopping down trees. Because beavers have one single obsessive hobby. It's not drawing or knitting or doing puzzles.

Speaker 4:
[03:58] The classic beaver behavior that most people know about is they build dams.

Speaker 10:
[04:02] A dam is basically a wall in the water that beavers build by dragging the trees that they chomp down across a flowing stream, blocking the water and sometimes adding mud or other stuff to keep that wall sealed up tight.

Speaker 4:
[04:16] You see them sometimes carrying rocks around in their little front paws, waddling on their hind legs. It's like the cutest thing ever.

Speaker 10:
[04:23] A beaver dam makes water accumulate behind the barricade, turning a trickling stream into a new pond in the middle of the forest.

Speaker 7:
[04:32] Ah, time for a shrimp.

Speaker 2:
[04:34] Ana, can I just interrupt to ask why? Like, I've always wondered this about beavers, like a beaver like Jose, why is it driven to go through all this work to chop down trees and make a wall that creates pools? It just feels so random?

Speaker 4:
[04:48] That's a great question. I mean, a beaver out on land is basically a fat, slow package of meat. Think about wolves and mountain lions and bears and coyotes. All of those big animals are gonna want to eat a beaver.

Speaker 10:
[05:05] According to Ben, it all stems from the fact that beavers are super awkward on land. With their webbed feet and huge tail that drags on the ground, beavers are not good at running, making them easy pickings for land predators.

Speaker 4:
[05:20] So, if you're a beaver, you want to spend as little time on land as possible.

Speaker 10:
[05:26] So...

Speaker 7:
[05:28] Timbers!

Speaker 10:
[05:31] By making dams, they create deep pools of water, which allows them to transform from wobbly wolf snacks into elegant professional swimmers who can spin and twirl and...

Speaker 4:
[05:42] Can hold their breath for up to 15 minutes.

Speaker 10:
[05:44] 15 minutes?

Speaker 4:
[05:46] Yeah, they're like a magical animal. Yeah, they're just incredible.

Speaker 10:
[05:50] Pretty epic hiding place. Now, hundreds of years ago, in the time of Jose's great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandparents, the woods of North America was full of beavers.

Speaker 4:
[06:03] There were probably several hundred million beavers.

Speaker 10:
[06:06] Making dams and ponds everywhere, even in New York City.

Speaker 4:
[06:10] There would have been beavers all over New York City.

Speaker 10:
[06:13] That's right. The Big Apple was once the Beaver City. And the beavers of Beaver City would wake up every evening, that's right, beavers are mostly nocturnal, in their beaver homes and hit the road, or the stream, I guess, and get to work.

Speaker 1:
[06:29] Hey, I'm waddling here.

Speaker 10:
[06:30] Hauling stones and sticks and redirecting water and finishing off each day with a nightcap of sweet wood juice.

Speaker 4:
[06:40] Manhattan Island was one of the most lush, incredible ecosystems on the Eastern seaboard, and beavers were part of what made it that way.

Speaker 10:
[06:48] But about 400 years ago, all of that would change because of the arrival of Europeans, and their insatiable desire for hats.

Speaker 4:
[06:57] Hats?

Speaker 10:
[07:07] Made of beaver fur. Sorry guys. They killed them off by the millions for the fur trade. As the beavers began to be killed off, the land and waterways began to change pretty dramatically. Take the river that slides through the northern part of New York City, winding beside train tracks and beneath highways today. It's called the Bronx River.

Speaker 5:
[07:29] It was described as an open sewer.

Speaker 10:
[07:31] That's Christian Murphy. He works on the Bronx River today.

Speaker 5:
[07:34] It was really just an elongated landfill.

Speaker 10:
[07:37] And over the centuries, more and more animals disappeared from the river, including the few remaining beavers. And by the 1970s, Parents told their kids, don't go down there.

Speaker 5:
[07:48] That's not safe.

Speaker 10:
[07:49] Because for decades, companies all along the river used it as a convenient dump for their waste. And people had just given up on the Bronx River. They thought it was just too polluted to care about.

Speaker 5:
[08:02] In many places, you couldn't see the water because of how thick the trash was.

Speaker 10:
[08:07] Until one day, someone said, You know what?

Speaker 5:
[08:10] This river does not need to look like this. This river could be beautiful. This river could be full of life.

Speaker 10:
[08:15] Inspired in part by the first Earth Day in 1970, a couple of folks from the neighborhood, like a lady named Ruth and a guy named Fred, they put on gloves and boots and began picking up the trash. Bag by bag, day by day, and at first people kind of laughed. They thought, what good is a couple of bags of trash going to do? This whole river is polluted. But then some kids joined in. Let's do this.

Speaker 9:
[08:40] High five.

Speaker 10:
[08:41] Scooping out trash by the huge garbage bag full. And eventually someone very powerful joined in too.

Speaker 11:
[08:47] Hello, hello.

Speaker 10:
[08:48] Congressman, his name was Jose Serrano, with a big friendly smile and a bigger bushy mustache.

Speaker 6:
[08:53] Let's roll up our sleeves and start to clean.

Speaker 10:
[08:56] Who directed millions of dollars to the cleanup project, ordering in trucks with big cranes to fish out refrigerators and cars and helping to change the rules over where factories could dump their toxic waste.

Speaker 5:
[09:08] And soon, the river began to respond.

Speaker 10:
[09:11] The water got cleaner and the forest began to regrow around it, bringing in more bugs and birds until a little creature hopped its whiskered head out of the water.

Speaker 5:
[09:27] And it was a beaver.

Speaker 10:
[09:28] Jose!

Speaker 6:
[09:30] After an absence of more than 200 years, the beaver has come back to New York City.

Speaker 10:
[09:41] And so they named him Jose, in honor of that congressman who'd been an early beaveliever that a little awkward human effort could make a big difference.

Speaker 9:
[09:50] What an honor!

Speaker 10:
[09:51] And the fact that Jose the beaver showed up in the Bronx River wasn't just a sign that the water was getting cleaner. Because beavers clean the river too, just by being there and being beavers. See, there's a hidden power to beaver dams. They actually make everything around them healthier.

Speaker 4:
[10:11] And that happens in a few different ways.

Speaker 10:
[10:13] So, first, there's the water. The dams act like purifiers that filter out pollution, like trash and even chemicals from agriculture, which get trapped in the dam and drop down into the soil instead of getting carried out to sea. Second, dams cool the air. Because the pools that dams create mean more water is being evaporated into the air. And so when it's hot, it's kind of like a mini air conditioning unit. It's making it more hospitable to all kinds of creatures. Third, dams enrich the soil. Nutrients in the water get stuck and drop down into the earth, which creates more fertile ground. And fourth, the real biggie. All of this combined allows new life to sprout. Algae, grasses, cattails, and flowers, which attract baby trout and salmon, and dragonflies, and butterflies, and...

Speaker 4:
[11:13] Frogs and salamanders.

Speaker 10:
[11:15] And then birds come.

Speaker 4:
[11:17] Woodpeckers and herons.

Speaker 10:
[11:18] And pretty soon, coyotes and foxes, and in some regions...

Speaker 4:
[11:22] Moose will come down there to eat all of the aquatic vegetation growing in the ponds.

Speaker 7:
[11:28] Thank you, beaves!

Speaker 10:
[11:29] And in Jose's case, after just a few years of him hanging out in the Bronx River...

Speaker 5:
[11:34] Somebody looked and squinted their eyes and said, wait a minute, there's a second beaver there. There are two beavers.

Speaker 7:
[11:42] Sacre-beave!

Speaker 10:
[11:43] Another beaver!

Speaker 5:
[11:45] And so Jose and the second beaver, they were roommates.

Speaker 10:
[11:48] Classic New Yorkers.

Speaker 5:
[11:49] Sharing rent on the river, sharing groceries, you know, cutting down the same trees together. And it gets better.

Speaker 10:
[11:56] I can't imagine it getting any better. But it does. Because you've maybe heard of a little-known pop star named Justin Bieber. Well, they held a naming contest and...

Speaker 5:
[12:07] And the second beaver was named Justin Bieber.

Speaker 10:
[12:21] Thank you, Ellen. Jose and Justin lived together for years, munching on wood, swimming with their eyes peeking out of the water, and slowly but surely increasing the biodiversity of the river and the forest around it. And as time has ticked on, the river has only grown healthier, welcoming back snapping turtles and sunfish, and even, as was spotted in 2023, two dolphins swimming around in the Bronx River.

Speaker 2:
[12:49] No.

Speaker 10:
[12:50] Yes.

Speaker 12:
[12:51] Dolphins?

Speaker 4:
[12:53] Uh-huh.

Speaker 10:
[12:53] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[13:00] Let's go, beavers. I can't, I mean, imagine if like, everywhere you walked, you just sprouted flowers, and life followed you.

Speaker 10:
[13:09] That would be nuts.

Speaker 2:
[13:10] I mean, how long does it actually take? Like, once a dam goes in, is it years before you start seeing this greening effect?

Speaker 10:
[13:17] No, that's the thing, it's super fast. Like, within a couple of months, there'll be cattails and lily pads and swamp roses blooming.

Speaker 2:
[13:26] Okay, so just to recap everything these funky little guys are doing to the world around them, their dams are cleaning the water, cooling the air, making the soil richer, and increasing biodiversity in these pretty dramatic ways. You know, but that's it, right?

Speaker 13:
[13:43] There can't be anything else.

Speaker 9:
[13:44] Oh, there's so much more.

Speaker 2:
[13:46] Our next storyteller thinks beavers can even fight fire. Find out how after this break.

Speaker 14:
[14:09] Look, up in the sky, it's a bird, it's a plane. No, it's beavers parachuting down from the clouds?

Speaker 11:
[14:17] Crates full of beavers. Part of a shipment to be dropped from an airplane.

Speaker 8:
[14:22] No, this is not an old-fashioned cartoon.

Speaker 2:
[14:25] It's something that our governments actually did in the 1940s and 50s.

Speaker 9:
[14:29] Some folks in a couple of different states put them in boxes and then drop those boxes out of airplanes with parachutes on them and let them land in the mountains to do good for us, like move them from the cities to the mountains.

Speaker 2:
[14:39] You're kidding right now, right?

Speaker 9:
[14:41] They literally pushed them out of planes. Idaho did this, California did this.

Speaker 2:
[14:46] This is Dr. Emily Fairfax, and she explains that this was the government's weird idea for pest control. They took beavers that were being nuisances, turning people's yards and farmlands to swamps, and then just dropped them off in the mountains.

Speaker 11:
[14:58] They are live trapped and move to distant mountain lakes and streams where their efforts will aid to conserve water, provide fishing pools.

Speaker 9:
[15:07] Instead of taking them out on a horseback or a car, they dropped them out of planes. But I give them credit for trying.

Speaker 11:
[15:13] Now into the air and down they swing, down to the ground near a stream or a lake.

Speaker 2:
[15:20] Emily gives them credit because she too is trying to bring more beavers out into the wild, where they might be able to do some good for the planet. Although that did not used to be her job, far from it. She used to be an engineer who worked on weapons. Weapons?

Speaker 9:
[15:34] Nuclear weapons. Very different career path.

Speaker 2:
[15:37] But she happened to turn on the TV one night and catch a nature documentary.

Speaker 9:
[15:41] They were showing all these aerial shots of beaver dams and wetlands in the desert, and they were bright green. I was like, what? Beavers live in the desert? How can they keep it green when everything's so dry?

Speaker 2:
[15:52] She realized that just like her, beavers were engineers.

Speaker 9:
[15:56] Using all of their engineering to live a good life.

Speaker 13:
[15:59] And mend the world around them.

Speaker 9:
[16:01] I wanted that for myself. So I started studying beavers and I haven't looked back since.

Speaker 2:
[16:05] Emily hung up her nuclear weapons coat and put on some rubber overalls for a new job following beavers through wetlands to try to learn how they do what they do. And eventually she came to focus on this one little family of beavers that lived up high in a mountain in northern California in a creek.

Speaker 9:
[16:25] It's called Little Last Chance Creek.

Speaker 2:
[16:26] So she called the family the Little Last Chance Beavers. There was a mom, a dad, and?

Speaker 9:
[16:32] There were definitely three to four babies there.

Speaker 2:
[16:35] And she started watching them literally taking notes as they Timber! Constructed their intricate dams and lodges.

Speaker 1:
[16:42] We're logging a busy day at work.

Speaker 2:
[16:44] And she discovered that on really hot, sweaty days inside a beaver's house.

Speaker 9:
[16:50] It's cold in there.

Speaker 13:
[16:51] You've been in a beaver lodge?

Speaker 9:
[16:53] I have.

Speaker 2:
[16:54] And on super cold days outside, it's super toasty.

Speaker 9:
[17:00] So the beavers sleep in a big snuggle pile in like one room. Oh, that's really sweet.

Speaker 2:
[17:04] It's very sweet.

Speaker 9:
[17:04] They kind of snore sometimes. It's extremely cute.

Speaker 2:
[17:08] And Emily learned that their family members weren't the only ones staying warm in there.

Speaker 9:
[17:13] They might have mice that want to come live inside the lodge with them. They might have muskrats that want to live inside the lodge with them. They might have little snakes that want to live inside the lodge with them.

Speaker 8:
[17:21] They allow this? They allow these trespassers?

Speaker 9:
[17:24] Oh, absolutely. It's kind of like they're running a little bed and breakfast, which I call a bee and beeve. It's one of my horrible jokes.

Speaker 2:
[17:36] Winter turned to spring, spring to summer, and then one day there was a spark. And the dry grasslands and forests around the little last chance beaver family caught fire. It began burning and burning.

Speaker 9:
[17:53] It was a really devastating fire. It burned a lot of forest.

Speaker 2:
[17:55] This was back in the summer of 2021, and it became one of those mega fires we're seeing more and more of because of climate change. Thousands of people had to be evacuated, hundreds of houses burned down.

Speaker 13:
[18:06] And as for the plants and critters of the mountains, it seems like absolutely everything has burned.

Speaker 2:
[18:11] By October, humans were finally able to extinguish the fire. But Emily had no idea what happened to those beavers.

Speaker 9:
[18:18] Could they have survived the fire?

Speaker 2:
[18:20] So one day, she began the long drive up the mountain.

Speaker 9:
[18:24] And the drive up is very disheartening because everything is just blackened and it's silent, which was the creepiest and strangest part to me. So I'm not feeling like super confident.

Speaker 2:
[18:41] But she keeps driving.

Speaker 9:
[18:42] And we find a route in.

Speaker 2:
[18:44] They get out of the car and begin walking. And suddenly.

Speaker 9:
[18:48] It is loud. It is splashing water. There is all sorts of birds. There's lots of bugs. There's a lot of wind in the trees and the grasses and the rustling you expect.

Speaker 2:
[18:58] Oh, wait.

Speaker 8:
[18:59] And even there being wind in the trees means there's still trees standing.

Speaker 9:
[19:02] There's still trees. The pine trees that were near it are fine. The trees that are in the wetland are fine.

Speaker 2:
[19:08] It was completely green.

Speaker 9:
[19:10] Completely unburnt. Not even just like a little burnt. Like they were unburnt. And when I got there, like honestly, it was like tears in my eyes.

Speaker 2:
[19:20] Why tears?

Speaker 9:
[19:22] Because I drove past the burned houses coming up and the burned roads and all the things that we wanted to protect and couldn't. And thinking about the future of climate change and knowing that this is the future that's coming, that's a really difficult reality to wrap your head around. I was living in California at the time. Like I was seeing my future there. And then getting up to the beaver wetland, it was a very hopeful moment because sometimes it feels like we're all out of ideas and it's not working. But then right in front of me, something is clearly working. And even if we don't know exactly why or how yet, we can learn from it.

Speaker 2:
[20:05] Can I ask for the little last chance beavers?

Speaker 9:
[20:07] I did stay out in the evening and saw both mom and dad swimming. And when they were out swimming, I could hear three, maybe four different young beaver wines coming from where the lodge was.

Speaker 2:
[20:23] They made it.

Speaker 9:
[20:24] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[20:26] And it wasn't just them. When Emily looked at the area from way high up in space from a satellite, she saw something incredible. This halo of green around the beavers' dams. She guessed that this one little family, these five or six awkward beings had saved about seven and a half acres of land from burning.

Speaker 9:
[20:49] Yeah, that effect is called making fire refugia. It's a patch that doesn't burn that other things can use.

Speaker 2:
[20:55] Refugia is a fancy word sort of like for refuge. It's just like place that is safe. Okay.

Speaker 9:
[21:00] Exactly.

Speaker 2:
[21:01] Refugia. I love this word. I have not stopped thinking about it since Emily taught it to me. How might we all create a little refuge around us for the other beings of this world? Even if we are clumsy and awkward and waddling and tired, I think about the people in the Bronx, those first two or three people who started picking up trash and eventually created a ripple effect that cleaned up the river. These things can happen. They do happen in the human world and in the animal world. That day at the Beaver Dam, Emily saw frogs and birds and even a bear, creatures she suspects might not have survived the fire without that beaver family. And that's why she has come to see beavers as firefighters.

Speaker 9:
[21:56] Yeah, they're spreading water out across the whole landscape that's keeping everything nice and green and healthy and stopping it from being easy to burn.

Speaker 2:
[22:04] Emily has tested this effect in mountains and forests and deserts.

Speaker 9:
[22:08] And so far what we've seen is that they are really good at making fireproof patches pretty much everywhere.

Speaker 2:
[22:15] Little rings of green that you can literally see from space.

Speaker 4:
[22:22] You know, when we talk about restoring nature, we don't always know how to do that. But guess what? Beavers instinctively know what it's supposed to look like.

Speaker 2:
[22:32] That's beaver believer Ben again. He and Emily both work in different ways to inspire and convince people to protect beavers.

Speaker 4:
[22:41] One of the mantras of the beaver believer goes, let the rodent do the work. They'll store water for us, they'll capture pollution, they'll help us fight wildfires, they'll create habitat for all of the fish we like to eat and the birds we like to watch and so on. They do all of this stuff for us if we let them.

Speaker 2:
[23:02] Another mantra, be more beaver. What if we too worked to build structures that actually mended? Instead of harmed the land? As pie in the sky or impossible as that may seem, there are people already out there doing just that. Following in the beavers' footsteps, waddling awkwardly toward a better world, one step at a time.

Speaker 8:
[25:10] Goferinski, everybody.

Speaker 2:
[25:11] He used real beaver tail slaps as percussion in that. Uh, and that's it. There's nothing else cool about it. What's that?

Speaker 3:
[25:19] Excuse me, I have a question. Me too. Me three. Me four. The batters.

Speaker 2:
[25:25] Listeners with badgering questions for our experts. Are you ready?

Speaker 9:
[25:28] Absolutely.

Speaker 3:
[25:30] Hi, my name is Felix, and I'm six years old. Do baby beavers have baby teeth?

Speaker 9:
[25:42] Yep.

Speaker 2:
[25:43] Not the big buck teeth, but some of the side teeth, which are called cheek teeth, cheek teeth, cheek teeth, cheek teeth. Say that ten times fast.

Speaker 3:
[25:49] My name is Remy, and I'm six years old. Since beavers eat wood, what does their poop look like?

Speaker 9:
[25:57] Well, they do the double poop.

Speaker 8:
[25:59] The double poop?

Speaker 2:
[26:00] What does that mean?

Speaker 8:
[26:02] They poop once, and then what?

Speaker 9:
[26:05] They eat that again? And then when it comes out, it looks like a sawdust marshmallow. And the little sawdust marshmallows, if you dry them out, they're actually great fire starters.

Speaker 2:
[26:12] What?

Speaker 8:
[26:13] Have you ever done that?

Speaker 9:
[26:14] I have burned one to see if it could burn, and it burned just fine.

Speaker 8:
[26:17] Now that's what I call a useful nugget.

Speaker 7:
[26:20] Hi, my name is Tyler. I'm 39 years old. I am trying to figure out how do beavers raised in captivity know how to build a dam even if they've never seen a river.

Speaker 9:
[26:34] They learn from their instincts and also from following around their parents and brothers and sisters and trying to do what they do.

Speaker 8:
[26:40] Wait, so are there regional differences in architectural style, like how you get Swedish modernism or Southwestern adobe?

Speaker 9:
[26:49] Anecdotally, yeah, there are. And some of them built some really weird dams. Really?

Speaker 8:
[26:54] Like how so?

Speaker 9:
[26:55] Like at like 90 degree angles from one another, like zigzagging instead of having nice curvy shapes.

Speaker 13:
[27:00] Huh.

Speaker 9:
[27:01] They like teach their kids what's available to build with. It could be garbage, mud. I have seen cow bones. I have seen all sorts of interesting things.

Speaker 13:
[27:09] Oh, spooky, a dam made out of bones, like a skeleton dam.

Speaker 9:
[27:13] No joke, I saw that on a Halloween field tour and I thought someone had like set it up for me.

Speaker 13:
[27:17] Haunted lodge, haunted town.

Speaker 9:
[27:19] It was like cow knuckle bones and a femur and they're just like integrated into this dam. It was like unreal.

Speaker 14:
[27:26] And that's where we got to leave it with the spooky beaver dam.

Speaker 2:
[27:32] And I won't tell you that vanilla ice cream, candy, yogurt and many perfumes used to be made with an oil that came from the beaver's booty. It was called castorium and that's true if you used to eat like vanilla ice cream or certain candies back in the time of like your great great grandparents, you were actually tasting beaver bum. I won't tell you that because I'm nice, but I did learn it in Beaver Believer Ben Goldfarb's great book called Eager, The Surprising Secret Life of Beavers and Why They Matter. Highly recommend you check it out. And that'll do it for today. Terrestrials was created by me, Lulu Miller with WNYC Studios. Our executive producer is Sarah Samback. This episode was produced by the naughty, gnawing on wood, Anna Gonzalez. Tail slappingly good sound design by Mira Burtwin Tonic. Our team also includes Alan Gofinski, Talania Talla and Joe Plord. Fact-checking by Diane Kelly. She would not let us get anything wrong. Would, spelled W-O-O-D. Support for Terrestrials is provided by The Simons Foundation, the Arthur Vining Davis Foundations and the John Tebelton Foundation.

Speaker 14:
[28:36] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
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Speaker 12:
[29:36] Hi, I'm Maddie, and I'm from Frederick, Maryland. Leadership support for Radiolab's science programming is provided by the Simmons Foundation and the John Templeton Foundation. Foundational support for Radiolab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.