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Speaker 1:
[00:00] When we talk about, how do you feel about the country? You know, there are versions of the country that happen, right? And the new version doesn't make the old one bad. It's necessary for growth. And I think we're in just a janky version, right?

Speaker 2:
[00:17] Yeah, janky's right.

Speaker 1:
[00:18] It's a janky version right now.

Speaker 2:
[00:20] May I curse Mrs. Obama?

Speaker 3:
[00:21] You may.

Speaker 2:
[00:22] Yeah, shit is jank right now. It's super jank.

Speaker 1:
[00:25] Yes.

Speaker 3:
[00:25] Your dad's not going to be happy.

Speaker 2:
[00:26] He's not going to be happy with that.

Speaker 1:
[00:33] This episode is brought to you by Shipt. What's going on with you these days?

Speaker 3:
[00:42] Not much, I'm enjoying life, making it through the winter.

Speaker 1:
[00:48] Yeah, the winter is a slog. How's the basketball season going for the...

Speaker 3:
[00:55] We have some challenges.

Speaker 1:
[00:56] For the Highlanders?

Speaker 3:
[00:57] For the Highlanders, yes. We have some challenges, but we're doing all right. We're doing all right. How are you doing?

Speaker 1:
[01:03] I'm good. I am doing good, but for the world. You know, it's like when you have your health and your family is good and friends are good, then there's not that much to complain about. Yeah, yeah. Where are you staying this visit?

Speaker 3:
[01:19] I'm staying in an Airbnb.

Speaker 1:
[01:21] Once again.

Speaker 3:
[01:22] But this, you know, this has been a really fun trip because everybody's here.

Speaker 1:
[01:28] Yeah, this has been a fun trip.

Speaker 3:
[01:29] My whole family's here.

Speaker 1:
[01:31] Even Kelly.

Speaker 3:
[01:32] All four kids. And Kelly, which she never comes hardly.

Speaker 1:
[01:36] Yeah, yeah. Well, it is her birthday weekend.

Speaker 3:
[01:39] It is her birthday weekend. So we have, we're staying in an Airbnb that just happens to be one of my favorite actors' former homes.

Speaker 1:
[01:50] Oh, really? Who's?

Speaker 3:
[01:51] Orson Welles.

Speaker 1:
[01:52] Oh, my goodness. What's that house like? Is it some big mansion? Is it spooky?

Speaker 3:
[01:56] It isn't. It isn't. And Orson Welles' movie posters are all over the place, books he read. He has the Encyclopedia Britannica still there.

Speaker 1:
[02:09] Oh, I remember that.

Speaker 3:
[02:11] Remember those?

Speaker 1:
[02:11] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[02:12] Yeah. And it's got a pool table. So the kids were having a blast. We had dinner together. It was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1:
[02:18] That sounds good. That sounds good. So they all gave the Airbnb a thumbs up.

Speaker 3:
[02:23] They gave it a thumbs up. And the kids still don't know who Orson Welles is, though.

Speaker 1:
[02:28] Well, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[02:30] They don't like movies in black and white. But there was a Citizen Kane poster. I mean, it was it made it I feel warm there. So it's going to be a good week.

Speaker 1:
[02:39] That's good. That's good. Well, it's going to be a good episode today. Because we have a funny man.

Speaker 3:
[02:48] Yes.

Speaker 1:
[02:49] And I love a funny man.

Speaker 3:
[02:53] Yes, you do.

Speaker 1:
[02:54] So he better be funny. All right. But why don't you introduce our guest?

Speaker 4:
[03:00] Put the pressure on him.

Speaker 1:
[03:02] You better come in funny.

Speaker 3:
[03:04] No, our guest today is Hasan Minhaj. And he's a two time Peabody Award winning comedian.

Speaker 1:
[03:15] Sounds like he could be funny.

Speaker 3:
[03:17] Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[03:18] And you win twice in a Peabody.

Speaker 3:
[03:20] I mean, that's just not any of them.

Speaker 1:
[03:21] This is going to be good. Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[03:24] But he's best known for his Netflix special, Homecoming King, which I saw.

Speaker 1:
[03:29] I saw that too.

Speaker 3:
[03:30] Which is very funny.

Speaker 1:
[03:32] He was funny then, so I hope he's funny today.

Speaker 3:
[03:35] In addition to Homecoming King, you got the King's Jester. And most recently, Off with His Head in 2024, he created and hosted the Emmy Award winning political satire, Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj and currently hosts the podcast and digital series, Hasan Minhaj Doesn't Know.

Speaker 1:
[03:58] Yeah. Doesn't he know? We'll find out what he doesn't know.

Speaker 3:
[04:02] But I'm really excited to talk to him because I found out in the research that he was into basketball, but I didn't realize-

Speaker 1:
[04:11] Oh my God, are we gonna talk about basketball?

Speaker 3:
[04:13] How much he was into basketball. So you may have to sort of lay back. You may have to lay back for a minute.

Speaker 1:
[04:20] Well, let's get him out here.

Speaker 3:
[04:22] Without any further ado.

Speaker 1:
[04:23] Hasan, enter.

Speaker 3:
[04:26] Come join us. How are you?

Speaker 1:
[04:29] Good to see you. I like the jacket.

Speaker 4:
[04:31] Look at you.

Speaker 2:
[04:33] No pressure at all.

Speaker 1:
[04:34] No pressure.

Speaker 3:
[04:36] These are new chairs.

Speaker 1:
[04:37] Make me laugh. No.

Speaker 2:
[04:40] Absolutely, Mrs. Obama. I would love to make you laugh.

Speaker 1:
[04:43] Now, Craig already told you that you could not spend the whole time calling me Mrs. Obama, but you explained that if you don't.

Speaker 2:
[04:51] My mother and father will be very upset. They've met you before, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[04:54] We're at one of the-

Speaker 2:
[04:56] Andrews Air Force Base.

Speaker 1:
[04:57] Oh, wait.

Speaker 2:
[04:58] You and Mr. Obama hosted a big event.

Speaker 1:
[04:59] How were they at Andrew Air Force Base?

Speaker 2:
[05:02] You and your husband, I don't know if you've heard of him. He was the president of the United States for a little bit. About eight years. But you hosted an event at the Andrews Air Force Base.

Speaker 1:
[05:11] We did.

Speaker 2:
[05:12] Where you invited a bunch of comedians.

Speaker 1:
[05:14] We did. Yes. Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[05:16] David Letterman. Yes. They're way more famous. David Letterman. Because you're like, I don't remember this. Let me-

Speaker 1:
[05:23] But now I do.

Speaker 3:
[05:24] No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[05:24] Let me get to their IMDB credits. The guy named David Letterman, John Mulaney. Very-

Speaker 1:
[05:27] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:
[05:28] How many comedians?

Speaker 2:
[05:29] I'm going to keep listening. John Stewart, much more famous than me. Michael Biglia. He's about where I'm at. And yeah, we performed for the troops there. Oh, neat. Yeah. And so I brought my parents. My mother works at the VA. So she's worked at the VA for a very long time.

Speaker 1:
[05:47] And then they got to- See, that's what I was getting at. It was like they must be in connection with veterans or veterans of some sort.

Speaker 2:
[05:57] That's what I, that's what I thought. But I'm also like, I will unapologetically do a plus two. They don't have to be connected or not.

Speaker 1:
[06:07] With the presidency, you just didn't get a plus two. It wasn't, you couldn't just like, no, no. I mean, there's all the security and the vetting and all that. So that's, your parents probably were invited because of their status.

Speaker 2:
[06:23] Big shots. Big shots. I mean, Mrs. Obama, I mean, I can give you all the tricks. I'm sure you're aware. If you just reply all to the thread early enough.

Speaker 1:
[06:31] And then everybody comes. Yeah. So that place wasn't as secure as I thought.

Speaker 2:
[06:36] No, no. I mean, my dad was backstage in the green room and he was walking up to everybody. He walked up to David Letterman, it was pretty awesome. So all the comedians, obviously David Letterman legend. But what's great is for my dad immigrated to the United States in 1982, organic chemist for 35 years for the state of California. So he kind of treated the backstage the same way he would treat like Costco on a weekend. Are those khakis? So he was like, is that David Letterman? And so all the comedians, me, Malaney, or Biglia, we're treating him like… He's the king. Yeah, he's on the Mount Rushmore of comedy. And my dad's like, he's interviewed a lot of people. So my dad goes up to him and he's like, hey, who's the favorite president you've ever interviewed? He's like, did you interview Richard Nixon? Oh, yeah. So Najme got right to it. And I really thought where my dad, obviously where he placed the joke, where he placed the bit, I thought it was quite brilliant to just get right to it. Because you've gotten this of like, who have you met before that you… But my dad was like, Richard Nixon.

Speaker 1:
[07:44] What's this deal? So what did Dave say?

Speaker 2:
[07:46] And Dave was like, you know, nobody's really asked me about Nixon. And so they're just having this long conversation about Nixon and Watergate. And it was really awesome. And then all these comedians that I really admire were like, who's that? Yeah, who's this Indian man talking to this old dude who looks like Abraham Lincoln? I was like, oh, that's Najme Minhaj talking to David Letterman.

Speaker 3:
[08:06] So is he a comedian?

Speaker 2:
[08:07] My dad?

Speaker 3:
[08:08] I know he's an engineer.

Speaker 2:
[08:09] He's an organic chemist.

Speaker 1:
[08:10] But he thinks he's a comedian.

Speaker 3:
[08:12] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[08:13] But also, like, if you meet comedians, they'll tell you they're not even the funniest person in their family.

Speaker 1:
[08:20] No, that's right.

Speaker 2:
[08:20] I'm not the funniest person. Like, it's... I'm probably the least funniest person in my family.

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Speaker 1:
[13:13] So when did you know you wanted to go into comedy, and how did your parents feel about it? I mean, I know you've talked about this a bit, but you know, your father's an engineer.

Speaker 2:
[13:23] My father's an organic chemist.

Speaker 1:
[13:25] An organic chemist, which is even more smart die stuff.

Speaker 2:
[13:29] And then my mother is a physician. I didn't even know it was a thing, to be quite honest. I didn't know it was an industry that you could make a living from it. Also, I grew up in Davis, California, not to brag, it's the closest city over Sacramento. Again, not trying to city drop and not trying to be elitist. We have two malls. There's a lot. There's a lot happening there. UC Davis, my former alma mater. So showbiz and Hollywood felt a million miles away. To be honest, my first love was basketball. I really, that was on like my vision board. I really wanted to play varsity basketball.

Speaker 1:
[14:04] Did you think you could go pro?

Speaker 2:
[14:08] When you're in second or third grade, when you're doing the book report.

Speaker 1:
[14:11] Yeah, here it's like, this is what I'm... Did you have the, you know, walk around with the ball and wristbands?

Speaker 2:
[14:18] I did have the wristbands and I would, yeah, I would bag mom like every year.

Speaker 3:
[14:21] Did you play in high school?

Speaker 2:
[14:21] I played in high school. I played, well, I played freshman in JV. I didn't make varsity.

Speaker 3:
[14:26] That's okay.

Speaker 2:
[14:26] I don't want to be dishonest.

Speaker 3:
[14:27] That's all right.

Speaker 2:
[14:28] But I did try.

Speaker 3:
[14:30] He was about to be and then he thought who he's talking to and he's like, I'm going to keep your problem, Michelle.

Speaker 2:
[14:36] No, but everything, what's really cool about it is comedians tend to be very heady people. But if you, there's something really beautiful in having a sport or an activity that articulates what you do in real life. So you can get in your head about a lot of stuff. That's the difficulty of modernity and the difficulty of adulthood I found. You can spend all this time worrying, not worrying. But what's really great, I found, what basketball is. And then later in comedy, you learn a lot about yourself. So you learn about how tall you are, how strong you are, how to position yourself in relation to someone else. Like I sized you up as soon as you walked in. I was like, okay, he's much taller than me. But like, I can probably get underneath there.

Speaker 1:
[15:24] Is that how you size people up? It's basically what you can get away with on the court?

Speaker 2:
[15:30] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[15:30] So how do you size me up? I don't play. Do you size me up in the same way? Did you think I could get around her?

Speaker 2:
[15:37] Well, see, I did try to go to WNBA Player once and she did swap the SHIT out of me. So this is on Getty Images. I went to Asia Wilson who was the MVP of the WNBA. She sent my stuff into the sidelines.

Speaker 3:
[15:51] All you have to do to beat my sister, all you have to do is be sweaty and then try and bump into her.

Speaker 4:
[15:59] You know, that's the thing.

Speaker 1:
[16:00] I'm tall, but the thing, and we went to the All-Star Game. And the biggest thing that I saw was like, there's so much pushing.

Speaker 2:
[16:08] There's a lot of pushing. Is that what you know?

Speaker 1:
[16:10] It's just like, that big guy just pushed that other big guy. I would be done. It's like once I got pushed in the back once and didn't know about it, I'd be like, I'm going.

Speaker 2:
[16:21] Can I say something where I really felt like Kissman and Destiny was on your side, Mrs. Obama?

Speaker 3:
[16:25] If you keep saying Mrs. Obama, we're going to be here all night.

Speaker 2:
[16:29] Can you give me an alt? In comedy, we call it an alt. Give me an alt. I cannot call her Michelle.

Speaker 3:
[16:32] You can call her Michelle. You can call her Meech. You can call her MO.

Speaker 1:
[16:36] That's my nickname.

Speaker 3:
[16:37] Meech?

Speaker 1:
[16:37] Moe. That's what they call me, Moe. They call me Moe. Mighty Moe.

Speaker 2:
[16:43] So when you were at the game, there was a possession where the ball came into the stands.

Speaker 1:
[16:49] Oh, yes.

Speaker 2:
[16:49] And your husband, I mean, this was out of a romantic comedy.

Speaker 1:
[16:52] It was. It was good.

Speaker 2:
[16:53] Straight up.

Speaker 1:
[16:54] Because all I saw was ball and big guy coming my way. And I'm coordinated, but I was like, I'm just dumbfounded.

Speaker 2:
[17:04] Right. But how many of these highlight reels have you seen where a basketball player goes diving into the crowd, jumps on our First Lady? Like, that could have happened. She could have had popcorn, she could have been drinking a soda. There's a million different ways this could have gone horribly. And then for him to just be like, oh, here you go.

Speaker 1:
[17:23] My honey. Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[17:24] And then Devin Booker comes in for a... It's just like...

Speaker 3:
[17:27] Poetic. It's poetic.

Speaker 2:
[17:29] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[17:29] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[17:30] So the Plinko ball of possibilities always seemed to just align with like the most charismatic romantic possibility. Because I go to Nick Games and dudes have fallen on me. I've like tried to catch them. I missed the ball. So anyway, I was just... I was quite envious of them. We digress. But what I love about... What I loved about really loving it as a kid is you also learn how to win graciously and lose graciously. You also understand that losing is a part of it. And as I pursued a career in show business too, understanding that failure is just a part of it. But the other part of it is also understanding that... And this is where I couldn't get to the varsity level coach. And I'm going to call you coach now, because you've coached in the elite level. What really got to me is during Summer League, during AAU, I would miss a shot or two, and then I would start to get in my head. And I wouldn't be focused on the next possession. And so much of life is just being like, hey, whatever happened, that's over. You literally have the ball right now, and you have to figure out... You simultaneously have to be present, but also kind of anticipate what could happen in the future and make this possession count. And I didn't realize that, how useful that was in comedy, which is if you do multiple sets a night, most comedians working in New York City will do three, four, five sets a night. If you had a bad early show, let it go. Now you have to read where the room is at right now, that's your next possession, and adjust accordingly. And the best comedians are able to just let that previous show go and be completely in the moment. And then also be able to bomb graciously. Like, all right, I missed that free throw, I had a bad set, like it happens.

Speaker 1:
[19:18] What was your first bomb? And I know you remember it, you know? And what did it feel like? And did you just go blank? Was that the kind of thing where you just forget what you're saying?

Speaker 3:
[19:31] He was trying to forget it.

Speaker 1:
[19:32] No, no, no.

Speaker 2:
[19:34] You feel it. No, no, no. When you bomb, you feel it.

Speaker 1:
[19:37] It stays. It's scarred.

Speaker 2:
[19:39] It's also because people are staring at you.

Speaker 1:
[19:40] Yes, yes.

Speaker 2:
[19:42] They let you know.

Speaker 1:
[19:43] Yeah, right.

Speaker 2:
[19:43] You know how there's that old saying where everyone's like, nobody's thinking about you that much when you're bombing?

Speaker 1:
[19:47] It's like, mm-hmm, they are.

Speaker 2:
[19:48] Everybody's thinking about you.

Speaker 1:
[19:49] And then they go home and they talk about it.

Speaker 2:
[19:50] You're like, he was really bad. It was awful, you know? They leave with you. It gets worse. You know how when they say it actually gets worse. So I do remember it was at an Irish pub. It actually was really humbling because my first few shows were amazing. Like in that feeling was really incredible. And that feeling of finding your thing is something that I was chasing my entire life. And my first few shows went really, really great. And then I think it was my third or fourth show. It was at an Irish pub and I had to follow somebody. And then people were leaving. So when you do some of these pub shows, people are watching again. There's a lot of other variables out of your control. And you have to learn how to not only have your set, but you have to corral the room to pay attention to where you are. And it went very poorly. And yeah, an older comedian told me just get on stage, book another show as quickly as you possibly can.

Speaker 1:
[20:49] Get back on the horse.

Speaker 2:
[20:50] Yeah, just get back on. That way you can make that a memory ASAP.

Speaker 1:
[20:55] How old were you when you started?

Speaker 2:
[20:57] I was 18, yeah.

Speaker 1:
[20:58] You were 18.

Speaker 2:
[20:58] Yeah, I was just in college. I didn't know, again, it was through just complete happenstance. Funny enough, I got into it through my computer's teacher. So I was a bit, I was quite a chatter mouth. I was a bit of a nuisance in class.

Speaker 1:
[21:14] High school.

Speaker 2:
[21:15] High school.

Speaker 1:
[21:16] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[21:16] So my computer's teacher.

Speaker 1:
[21:17] I can't see that. Can't picture that.

Speaker 2:
[21:20] My computer's teacher, and this is dating me a little bit. I don't know if you guys remember.

Speaker 1:
[21:23] Because it's called a computer's teacher.

Speaker 2:
[21:25] It's called a computer's teacher, yeah. Web professor is telling me, but I would always have this like, I would be very talkative and very loud in the back of class, and I couldn't pay attention.

Speaker 3:
[21:38] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[21:38] I'd have nine different ideas going at once. And so Ms. Takeuchi had to give me at times detention, and it started adding up. And Ms. Takeuchi is a Japanese woman, so she knows Indian culture very well. And she goes, you know, if I keep giving you detention, I have to suspend you, which means I have to call your parents. And I was like, I mean, you could hit me with the ruler. Like you could belt me. There's a lot of different things. You could tar and feather me in the quad. There's so many other things you could do. Ms. T, besides call my mom and dad. Like calling my mom and dad is essentially like... Suicide. Yeah, it's a death sentence. Yeah, for sure. It's like send me to a Thai black site. Like I'm never coming home. Yeah. So Ms. T said, look, there's this thing called FBLA, Future Business Leaders of America. There's a, we go on these competitions, but there's a competition called Impromptu Public Speaking. I know you don't do your homework and I know you have attention issues. Impromptu Public Speaking allows you to make it up as you go along. I was like, oh, this is amazing.

Speaker 1:
[22:33] Sign me up.

Speaker 2:
[22:34] So Ms. T took me to these competitions and helped coach me through it. And at the competitions for Impromptu Public Speaking, you have to take the affirmative position or the negative position on something. And I just found if you make fun of the person you're competing against, you know if you make fun of what's happening in the room. So like, for example, like, I remember one of our first competitions.

Speaker 3:
[22:57] You're a bully.

Speaker 4:
[22:59] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[23:01] Wait, coach.

Speaker 1:
[23:02] I was like, no, no, that wasn't the message.

Speaker 2:
[23:03] Is Gary Payton a bully?

Speaker 1:
[23:05] Absolutely.

Speaker 4:
[23:06] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[23:10] So like, one of the first, I was like a sophomore in high school. And they make you debate these things that a 15-year-old shouldn't be debating. So it was like, we're competing in Reading, California, which is even further north. You're damn near in Oregon.

Speaker 3:
[23:23] Right.

Speaker 2:
[23:24] Okay. So we're in Reading, California. And they were like, a city initiative has been, you know, has been raised, like to renovate this gymnasium or not. You know, however, if we use the city's funds, it will, you know, it will take money away from whatever the library. You have to argue for the gym and you have to argue for the library. So I got up there and I was just like, I mean, he was like, look, me and him are 15. Like we shouldn't have a position on this right now. We both got dropped off here. We don't know like what a budget is because our parents essentially pay for everything. Also, I think his dad's one of the judges. So that's like a clear conflict of interest. So why are we even having this debate when like this should be illegal? You know, and so like the judges are, they just started laughing. And then I think I, I think I won. But what I do remember is after we finished, one of the judges came up to me and he was like, hey man, I really hate judging these things. I actually judge these things because like I have my son on the weekend and I have to like spend time with him. But you made it really, really fun. And that was really awesome. And then Ms. Takeuchi told me on our drive back to Davis, she was like, you're really, you kind of have this gift of gab and it's useful. And you could not say things in class and say things here. That would be very, very beneficial to me.

Speaker 3:
[24:43] Are you still in touch with Ms. T?

Speaker 2:
[24:46] I recently got her phone number and I've been trying to get a hold of her. Oh, that would be great. But Ms. T is, you know, life changing. And I just want to let her know, because the irony is she's my computer's teacher, but she's very offline. But up until that point in my life, up 15, 16, and I didn't realize this until much later, I was looking to be seen. The reason why I think I was being so talkative or trying to interject in class is I felt like I had something to say, and I had something to share with the world. And I felt like I wasn't heard. And she saw something in me. All my other teachers thought I was too talkative. They thought I was a bit of a, not a knucklehead, but just he's not a great student, or he can't focus. He moves around too much in his chair. And my report card would be filled with all these almost like behavioral issues. And Miss T was the first person that said, I think you're incredibly capable. And I think you have this skill set that I think would be really useful and helpful. And she also helped me get to national competitions. And then we lost. I lost. And I was really upset. And she also helped me lose graciously and understand how to come back from losses as well. So she really changed the trajectory of my life because I really thought great things weren't going to be in my destiny.

Speaker 3:
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Speaker 2:
[28:00] Yeah, school during her residency and everything.

Speaker 3:
[28:02] Can you just talk to me about how you felt about that? And I don't know what I would have done if I knew nothing was wrong with my mom and she was somewhere not with me.

Speaker 2:
[28:15] Yeah, I think as a kid, it was you just know what you're living through. So basically, my dad has a job with the state. My mother is finishing her medical degree and her residency. And then my sister is being raised by our grandparents in Delhi. So both my grandfather and my grandmother are raising her. And then when I'm eight, my grandparents were able to bring my younger sister back to the US. She was born in the States, but then she went over there and she was raised by them. And really what my parents were putting together was their version of the American dream. It wasn't until later that I realized, oh, this was quite different than the way a lot of people grew up. But also as an adult, I think the thing that I really seeked and maybe I'm making up for it in my life is, I want our place to be the sleepover house. I want our home and the situation for my children to be in and my nephews to be in is that they have a place that's always stable. They don't have to constantly be in transit. So, I mean, the thing that I'm trying to change is when you're a child of immigrants, everything that your parents have basically like wealth, money or opportunity is a depreciating thing. So, if you have money, every dollar you spend, you're actually losing money. And that asset, i.e. money, is the only asset that matters. Your time is valued at zero. And so, my parents spent so much time trying to build themselves in this country that they didn't get to spend a ton of quality time. And I'm trying to make up for that now that I'm older. All right, we're all going to... That's been the greatest joy of my career, being able to do stuff with them. Even us meeting over All-Star Weekend. My parents are in India right now, but otherwise, I would have brought them. It's just, hey, let's just all be together. And we don't have to worry about... I don't know, this is a very common thing in immigrant households. You go to Round Table Pizza, you stuff all the red crushed peppers into the purse. We don't have to rock dominoes for Parmesan cheese.

Speaker 1:
[30:39] That drawer next to the silverware that has all the packets. It's like, why? Why are we doing this?

Speaker 2:
[30:44] Yeah, no, mom's a Parmesan cheese drug lord.

Speaker 3:
[30:47] So I read in the research that your comedic awakening came with seeing Chris Rock.

Speaker 2:
[30:56] Yes. Yeah, never scared.

Speaker 3:
[30:58] I remember that.

Speaker 2:
[30:59] Yeah, it was a brilliant special. It was an amazing special. Yeah. Yeah, a friend of mine, I was supposed to go to a college party with a friend of mine. And he was getting ready and he was like putting on his outfit. And he's like, man, like go hang out with my roommate, Imran. He's a bit of a square bear, but like go hang out with them. I thought that like term was so funny. Like square bear is such a funny way to describe a nerdy person. And Imran was like, he was in his room, but he was... It was an insane thing to see like a grown man do this, but he was lying on his tummy. Like he was like, he's my five-year-old son. He's lying on his stomach on the carpet. He has two laptops open and he's watching Futurama, the animated series on one laptop and on the other laptop, he's watching Chris Rock, Never Scared.

Speaker 3:
[31:42] So that's time that people were opposed.

Speaker 2:
[31:44] Yeah, but he was one of the first like multi-screen people to be doing this in 2004. This is like way ahead of its time. We talk about what multi-screen use now, but like Imran's been on that forever. Right. So I was like, what are you watching? And Chris Rock was in this, like, oh my God, it's one of my favorite specials ever, but he's in this maroon suit and he's performing at Dar Constitution Hall. And he's being so irreverent. And that, the way he's talking about politics and society and culture and race, he's being so honest.

Speaker 3:
[32:17] And he's stalking on the stage.

Speaker 2:
[32:20] And people are, like, applauding him. And so, the way I saw it is, like, as a freshman in college, I had a job at Office Max. I was selling printers at Office Max. And then I'm going to college. And obviously, high school, everybody's telling me from the moment I was in kindergarten, be obedient, like color in between the lines. And I got to see someone basically be irreverent and disobedient. That's really what comedy is. It is a release on the pressure valve. And he's being rewarded for it. He gets to say whatever he wants to say. He gets to behave the way he wants to behave. He gets to say the way we all kind of feel. And just the theater looked so big. And I was like, I want to do that. I think I think Ms. Takayuchi was getting ready to do something like this. Yeah. Because he's basically constructing an argument in a funny way.

Speaker 1:
[33:16] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[33:17] So we were already kind of doing that in forensics.

Speaker 1:
[33:19] But there's also something about you that is very committed to the authentic truth of things.

Speaker 2:
[33:28] Or just like the feeling of it. I remember even in the thing of wanting to say what it feels like. I remember even in like third grade when people are like, when did you know you wanted to be a comedian? And I had this teacher, this is in the years, it's 1993. So diet soda is a huge deal. And my teacher, Ms. Anderson, is in the third, fourth combination class. She would crush a 12 pack of diet Pepsi's over the course of the day.

Speaker 1:
[33:53] So you're just watching it happen.

Speaker 2:
[33:54] And I'm like watching her just crush a dozen cakes. And in the early 90s, there was this big thing with like kids can't drink soda, only adults can drink soda. And I remember asking like Ms. Anderson as a joke once, I was like, I know you had 11 sodas, can I get the 12? And she was like, Hasan, cut it out or whatever, she barked at me. She said something and she was like, sit down, like no. And I was like, okay, fine. I remember then that night, my dad loved watching 60 Minutes. And it was like this news package of like, it was like, aspartame. It may be in your soda, but it also may be giving you cancer, you know? And then I remember being in class the next day. And I was like, Ms. Anderson, I was like, Ms. Anderson, can I get, I know you had 11 diapses, can I get the 12? And she's like, Hasan, will you cut it out, please? And I was like, you're totally right, Ms. Anderson. I think adults should be the only people getting cancer. And she sent me to the principal's office. And she was like, what she said was inappropriate and it was all wrong. But I felt like what I did say was wrong and it was super disrespectful. And I hope Ms. Anderson didn't get cancer.

Speaker 1:
[35:09] But she's working on it.

Speaker 3:
[35:10] But she's working on it.

Speaker 2:
[35:11] Like hard. But I was always searching for that place to articulate how I really feel. And that was what comedy was for me. It finally gave me a place to take a lot of these thoughts. That are running around in my head. And it gave me a productive channel to put them in.

Speaker 3:
[35:31] So once you started, like this is going to be my career, I'm off to LA or wherever you go. Talk about how hard it was to make it. And what helped you get through that?

Speaker 2:
[35:45] Yeah. So yeah, it is, trying to make it in show business is a very strange, elusive thing. Because what is it? How do you even define that? So if you're a nightclub comedian, I really kind of just broke it down into monkey bars. And this is where the playing sports and actually failing at sports, quite frankly.

Speaker 1:
[36:06] And also the go figure it out.

Speaker 2:
[36:07] Go figure it out.

Speaker 1:
[36:09] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[36:09] Or like, what is the next thing that you'd like to do? OK, so you can do 10 minutes on stage. All right, now you want to get to 30 minutes and then eventually want to be a headliner. You want to do 60 minutes and headline a club. All right, well, the first thing you got to do is you got to be an opening act. You got to be really good at becoming an opening act. So you need to figure out 15 killer minutes that you can do in front of Mike Epps. You can do it in front of Gabriel Iglesias. You can play any room. You can play a white room. You can play a black room. You can play a casino. And then you have to move to a city where there's a ton of clubs. So then I moved to San Francisco, you know, and I get a day job and I'm just pursuing. And I just took it one monkey bar at a time. And what I really loved about it and I've come to now I've been doing comedy 20 plus years, but it really did save my life because the whole art form in and of itself is completely made up. Comedians, if you think about it, if you want to be a working comedian, we're below magicians, but we're above clowns. You know, like if you can do magic, I'm very impressed. I'm like, I tip my hat to David Copperfield. If you're a clown, I have zero respect for you. I think you're terrifying. I think you are using people's fear against them. Like I think you're possibly demonic or the Chupacabra. Like you are participating in the dark arts in some way. And I don't, if there are any clowns watching, I have zero respect for you. Magicians, I tip my hat and I stand below you, sir.

Speaker 3:
[37:37] This room knows what I'm about to ask.

Speaker 1:
[37:40] Oh my God, just ask.

Speaker 3:
[37:41] Where do ventriloquists fall?

Speaker 1:
[37:44] Oh my God.

Speaker 2:
[37:48] Ventriloquists are technically stage performers. I'll give them that. The fact that they don't do face makeup or try to scare you through the paint on the face. I would consider them to be on par with comedians. Working comedians. Slightly below us, though.

Speaker 1:
[38:05] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[38:06] I feel you. Slightly below.

Speaker 2:
[38:08] They're like the ugly cousin of a comedian.

Speaker 3:
[38:11] Thank you.

Speaker 2:
[38:12] So actually, let me just fit in all seriousness. In San Francisco, there was a laundry mat called The Brainwash Cafe, which is literally a laundry mat where people are doing their laundry, but they did an open mic there. And so when you go to the open mic, you would have this like Indian Muslim kid, me, and you would have a drag queen, you might have a ventriloquist, you might have someone literally clowning on stage, someone doing like a super blue, like Ali Wong would do this really blue material, and W. Kamau Bell would come on and do this very like political material. Then I would come on and do this like, I live at home material. And then people were just doing their laundry, their folding laundry. But what it, you learn how to get an audience's attention, keep their attention, but you also learn this whole thing is made up. Yeah. This whole thing, it's not even a real thing. We essentially perform in basements, bars, or laundromats. We create a show out of nothing. And then we go away. We're these traveling kind of entertainment vagabonds essentially. And it really did prepare me then for what showbiz is and was. You know, all these things that you're auditioning for are, you know, what is the Tonight Show? These things are like these sandcastles, but then they go away.

Speaker 1:
[39:31] I think you're being a bit cynical about it. Maybe you're not. Well, because I do, I think it's the sort of the most clever form of op-ed, you know, storytelling, cultural, which is what we are grounded in. I mean, which is why I think people are drawn to it. Because it's like, I am, I think comedians are fascinating and brilliant weaving together. And I don't think it's made up. I think it is a series of, let me, let me talk about life in whatever form that I want to talk about it in a way. Because if you were going to say, I'm going to stand in front of you and lecture you about my thoughts, no one would hang in there. You know, politicians barely get an audience, right? But a comedian can weave together a story and like you said, with Chris Rock can turn it into, now you're teaching and now you're educating and people remember it and they'll come back to it.

Speaker 2:
[40:27] Yeah, I agree with you. But I also, what I think what I was trying to get at is what it means to, what it really means to me that was really beautiful is that all of the answers that you're looking for exist within you. You're the source material for everything.

Speaker 1:
[40:43] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[40:44] So you are the writer, the director, the producer, the head coach, the, you're everything, the promoter. And it is a really beautiful thing that calls for your own personal agency. And so that's what I think is really powerful about it.

Speaker 1:
[41:13] What is it healed in you so far? And maybe healed is too strong of a word, but when you say that, you know, the art form is about what the comedian gets out of it. Yeah. What have you found out about yourself in this process?

Speaker 2:
[41:30] I think growing up, Indian American growing up Muslim, you're usually one of the few people in the room.

Speaker 1:
[41:39] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[41:39] And the great black comedians and actors, musicians, the Muhammad Ali's, the Dick Greger's, what they showed me, the Dave Chappelle's, is through the gift of oration, through the gift of using your words and language, you can navigate any room. Yeah. And you have something to say that matters. And you can add your chapter to the book of what that genre is. So, growing up in school, I just didn't see myself in popular culture. I didn't see myself in sports. I just didn't see myself there. But I, and some people could see that as a weakness. But I was like, maybe this could be my strength. Because so much about being a unique act on stage, what do you have to say? And being different is probably the most powerful thing you could be. You don't want to be an act that's similar to another act. And so these things that you could see as limitations might be the biggest breakthrough that you have. So it showed me in the work that I do now and the specials that I put out, oh, this chapter is worth adding to the canon that is American stand-up comedy. Or this film that you're working on is worth adding to. So this, I'm working on this film right now with Netflix about the competitive world of collegiate Bollywood dance, which is like a big, it's like a very competitive thing at colleges.

Speaker 3:
[43:04] Collegiate?

Speaker 2:
[43:04] Collegiate Bollywood dance. It's very serious.

Speaker 3:
[43:08] I didn't know there was such a thing.

Speaker 2:
[43:10] It's a real thing. It's the biggest world we've ever heard of, Craig. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[43:13] But we're gonna know about it in a minute.

Speaker 2:
[43:14] People are very passionate about it. So there's these kids that are like pre-pharmacy majors, but they're like dancing at night. And the vibes and the love and the intensity is real. But I was shocked that this thing that I participated in in college was never added to the canon of American musicals. So when you think of the great American musicals, Chicago and La La Land, I mean, there's a singing in the rain. There's a long history. But our culture has this deep history with magical realism and song and dance. And there's generations of kids that have basically grown up dancing. There's video footage of every Indian kid you know dancing as a child for some reason. And to me, this is like a love letter to the culture. But if I didn't grow up this way, I would have never been able to write this movie and share it with the world. So we're in post-production on it and I'm sitting in the edit. And I think about all the things that have happened to me in my life. It is only because of my lived experience. It is only because of how often I went back and forth between America and Delhi and India. It's only through my immersion as this bridge between both American culture, totally understanding American popular culture and understanding Bollywood culture that I'm able to talk about this this way as this kind of like third culture kid. And maybe this thing can be a bridge to help, again, add my chapter to what the American musical can be.

Speaker 1:
[44:46] How have you felt the growth change, lack of growth in this country when it comes to the immigrant community experience? I know that's a lot of your stand-up, but, you know, when you were coming up, growing up in Davis, that great town outside of Sacramento, yeah, have you felt any growth in this country in terms of how immigrants are viewed, seen, welcomed? What has that experience been like for you?

Speaker 2:
[45:24] I mean, the weirdest thing for me is that, and black Americans have been talking about this for a long time, is that there's the America that it presents itself to be, and then what America is. And so, when my dad came in the 80s, there was this word that was talked about very proudly when it comes to the United States of America. It's the M word, it's merit. This is a country that values merit. And what I'm seeing, what has happened, and the actions that the country has now taken in regards to the rollback of civil liberties, civil rights, African-American history, ICE, the illegal seizure and deportations of particular people of melanin, is that merit only matters for a particular type of American. I call it white valedictorian energy. I was told just be the best and you get to be the valedictorian. But what America is basically saying is we got to have a white valedictorian. So I don't care if there's an Indian kid, a Chinese kid, a Korean kid, a Vietnamese kid, a black kid. No, no, no. We're going to go down the list until we get to a white valedictorian. So excellence and being an American looks and feels a particular way. And that's very different than what the country was that my dad came to, which was it doesn't matter what language you speak. We're here to compete in the Olympics of excellence and of merit. And now at age 40, I've gotten to see over the course of many different presidents, oh, it hasn't always been this way. Where do we go from here? I mean, this is where I want to call you Mrs. Obama. Where do you think we go from here?

Speaker 1:
[47:17] You know, my awakening to that truth came when I went to Princeton, right? Because here I am this kid. Now my brother had gone there. I'm a straight A student, do well in class, from a public school. You know, the mystique of what Princeton is and how great the kids are. So I don't test well, but I have great grades. I get in, but I get in feeling like an affirmative action kid. Like somehow I'm, you know, on merit alone, my merit alone, I didn't get in. That's sort of how you, you sort of feel. And then you get to campus and you realize, oh my God, there are a whole bunch of different forms of affirmative action that are not labeled.

Speaker 2:
[48:06] Legacy admission.

Speaker 1:
[48:06] Legacy. You know, I start realizing, oh, you're the granddaughter of the person whose dorm you're in. Right. Oh, you're an athlete, you're a football player, you're a jock, but they need you on the team. So you're here. And I started, which kind of was empowering to me, because I came in feeling inferior, but I realized, oh, you are just making my otherness feel less than, when there are all kinds of ways that kids get in, you know. Right. But I found that that is a powerful thing just to know and understand. And so in answer to your question, I think we're still growing as a country. We're very young and adolescent in many ways, and a lot of the mistakes that we're making, the things that we do, they feel very juvenile. Right. It feels like, you know, it's just not mature. But we're not yet really a mature country. We're a young country. And just like in comedy, when you're young, you've got to fail. You know, you got to try out some theories and fail. And we've grown up in the winning part. Right. This is what Barack says, sort of that hopefulness thing of his that says, you know, there are a lot of dips and valleys in the growth of this country. And we've been on this clear trajectory through most of our adult life, where things were increasingly getting better, which is why a lot of immigrants came over, you know, because they saw the America that was...

Speaker 2:
[49:43] Yeah, what was possible. What was possible.

Speaker 1:
[49:46] And now we're in a dip, you know.

Speaker 2:
[49:48] What did you tell your kids? Like, what should I... My children are still so young, and I'm navigating this new chapter of parenthood. You got to meet my kids. I'm still in the put your shoes on phase of... Get your shoes on, man.

Speaker 1:
[49:59] I'm in that phase of it.

Speaker 2:
[50:01] But there's an innocence to them. The biggest thing when they met you, Mrs. Obama, I was like, please look her in the eyes, shake her hand. You saw my daughter, she had her braids. She was really excited to meet you in her dress. And that's my goal of life. Do they have good decorum? Are they super polite? But they still have this innocence. And I don't know how I'm going to cross, I don't know how I'm going to teach them or cross the path of, I haven't told them about the fact that they may be perceived as different in this country or other in this country. How did you navigate that?

Speaker 1:
[50:35] What did your father tell you?

Speaker 2:
[50:41] Don't talk about politics and don't tell people you're Muslim. But I mean, I said, I mean, you named me Hasan. I mean, it's really hard.

Speaker 1:
[50:48] It's, hey, dude.

Speaker 2:
[50:48] I mean, I'm sure your husband had to go through that with his middle name. I mean, it's pretty, it's there.

Speaker 1:
[50:52] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[50:53] It's pretty loud.

Speaker 1:
[50:53] Absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[50:54] I was into it. I loved having a Muslim president, but Fox News did it.

Speaker 1:
[50:57] But I loved it. I believe you tell your kids the truth. Yeah. You know, about...

Speaker 2:
[51:03] Is there an age, though?

Speaker 1:
[51:05] No, I think...

Speaker 3:
[51:07] What you will find is the time will come and you will decide if this is the right time or the wrong time. And it's usually... I don't think it's the same for everyone. But for us, and we've got four kids, middle school, when kids start to sort of separate, that's when they come home with questions. And fortunately for our family, we were always in sports. So, I think sports helps you bridge that discussion. And you could have a discussion about what's happening on the field, on the court, and sort of help that turn into what's going on off the court. Your kids will, you'll know when your kids are ready for the discussion.

Speaker 2:
[52:10] So I talked about this with my wife. So my daughter, who you met, she recently asked me a few months ago, can we get married? And I was like, I don't know if mommy would be OK with that. I mean, I love you. But I don't know if we can get married. But I appreciate you asking.

Speaker 1:
[52:24] Yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad. If mommy, something happens to her, I got you.

Speaker 2:
[52:29] Yeah. So I'm navigating that, that daddies can love you so much.

Speaker 1:
[52:34] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:35] But I don't think we should get married. But I actually love you to infinity and more. My son tells my wife, she goes, he goes, I love you all the way to Allah and back. And I was like, that's pretty cool too.

Speaker 1:
[52:47] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[52:48] Like to God and back is really cool. So I don't know how to hard pivot from that to racism. That's a hard pivot, you know.

Speaker 3:
[52:57] I would start with telling her you can't marry me.

Speaker 1:
[53:01] Yeah, it's like I would like to.

Speaker 2:
[53:02] I said I love you but I can't get married.

Speaker 1:
[53:04] It's illegal.

Speaker 3:
[53:05] But why not?

Speaker 2:
[53:05] That's a whole nother thing.

Speaker 1:
[53:06] Yeah, I think you can tell it's just like you.

Speaker 2:
[53:10] But I was talking to Beena about this. And basically, what's really beautiful is their hope and their optimism right now is infinite. And I want them to operate from that idea of possibility and abundance and belief in yourself. The thing that I have to teach them is in regards to, I'm going to use, like, they talk about this in business. When one is starting a business or taking a loan is tail risk. And what is the worst case scenario? And black Americans have known this for a long time is that when things go south, there is the floor is lower than you could ever imagine. They don't play with the kid gloves with you. There is no real benefit of the doubt. If you, if something goes missing in the class or something bad happens, or somebody acts up, you're going to be looked at a particular way and you're going to be treated. There's no yellow cards. They're going to give you the red card. I haven't had that conversation with them about tail risk of that. Hey, when they pull the rug out underneath you, you have no idea how deep it can go. And I don't want to sugar coat that for them. It is real. And they're my children. I love them more than anything. But I haven't prepared myself to have that combo with them.

Speaker 3:
[54:24] I'm just thinking back, I've got three boys and one girl. And I probably had the discussion with the boys sooner. And for the boys, it's you have to watch everything. That was the way I started. I start the discussion. Everything, absolutely everything's important. And then from there, we talk about the differences in the people in their class, because we've always been in a school where we're the only people of color, or we're the diversity. And to your point about when things go bad, they're gonna go really bad. I'd rather, I've always rathered air on the side of caution that they know the potential downfalls, the potential risk, rather than not being afraid to hurt their ability to have hope. Because kids are more, I think kids are more resilient than we give them credit for.

Speaker 1:
[55:30] But kids will also let you know what they, you know, when they need to know. The more they start interacting with other kids, it's like, that's why it's like staying close to your kids, being aware, you know, knowing what's happening in class, making sure that they feel comfortable coming home and telling you about something the teacher said or a friend said. You know, things will start to come up, right? Especially in this day and age where the tone is so blatant. You know, sadly, I think your kids are probably going to hear and feel more than maybe even you did coming up, right? Because we've kind of unlocked that dirty part of the American way, right? There isn't one size fits all, you know, as you find when you were one of only, when you were not the majority culture, it is a constant, you know, responsibility to be vigilant about what is going on in the world when it comes to your kids. Because I agree with Craig, how we were raised is, it's better to know what's coming and start getting prepared for it. And I don't think that that drowns out their hope. But I think it's better for them to be a little, like Craig, a little cautious, but prepared. How have you enjoyed parenthood? Your kids are, they're beautiful. Let me just say this, they are polite, they are outgoing. They didn't look me in the eye because they were down by my knees, but they looked me straight in the knees.

Speaker 2:
[57:02] Yeah, they looked you right in the knees. Yeah, they really did. Yeah, and they were super excited. And my son was wearing a tan suit in honor of your husband. Oh, he wanted to really stir the controversy. Yeah, he was wearing a tan suit.

Speaker 4:
[57:13] I was so focused on the suede loafers.

Speaker 1:
[57:18] I mean, with no socks.

Speaker 2:
[57:20] Yeah, with no socks.

Speaker 1:
[57:21] Yeah. That I was just...

Speaker 2:
[57:22] Very elegant. Very, yeah, yeah, yeah. A very loyal peon. We got it from Marshalls, though. I'm not trying to brag the Marshalls here in Studio City. Yeah, it's... The things that sometimes break my heart is when I have to go. Yeah. So like I was in the edit on something and I'm sliding in these... It's like an insert shot of someone's hand clicking something. My son walked in and he was like, Dad, what are you doing? And I was like, yeah, what am I doing? Like, what am I doing? He wants to play with me. I'm like, what? I'm going through a bin of insert shots. Like, what am I doing? So those are the tough parts where I know they just want to spend time with me. And I'm so glad that they want to spend time. They still like mommy more, but they really do want to spend time with me. And I love spending time with them. The thing that I, the software update that I'm trying to do with them is that I didn't necessarily get from my parents. And it's very common in kind of strict Desi culture, which is you got to audition for this love. Most of this thing is unconditional. Now, there's a condition. The condition is that you're smart and you're capable. And the condition is I got to be able to show you off in front of other people because I don't have a nice car and I don't have a nice watch, but I do have a really smart daughter. And you're my flex.

Speaker 1:
[58:44] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[58:45] So I can't have you be weak because you're my flex. And so this desire to like, you know, my dad is going to watch this interview and analyze it. Oh, you cut. How could you cut off Mrs. Obama? So unlikable. This is wrong. All this. He's going to analyze the game. And I'm his flex. But the thing that I was always looking for was, you know, dad, do you know what my favorite color is? Do you know my favorite basketball team? Do you know? Do you see me? I see my kids. And I just want to let them know that I see the things that they're interested in. My son is really into maps and dinosaurs right now. My daughter is like really into crocheting and K-pop demon hunters. Like somehow she's simultaneously 88 and 7 years old.

Speaker 1:
[59:32] She mentioned something, some character.

Speaker 2:
[59:34] And I'm like, who is that?

Speaker 1:
[59:35] Yeah, really.

Speaker 2:
[59:37] I thought you would have either picked up the poet, the famous poet.

Speaker 1:
[59:40] Well, I was just confused. I was totally confused.

Speaker 2:
[59:45] So yeah, I see them for who they are and what they... But also their temperament. Like with my daughter, we can totally blow the whistle and be like, you got to run line drills. Like she gets, she loves the, she loves the, almost the confrontation. She's got that dog in her. And my son is a little bit more gentle. You got to walk him through it. So I want them to, that's where I'm trying to meet, spend as much time with them as I can. But I also want them to know like, daddy loves you regardless. I don't know if that was quite true with me.

Speaker 1:
[60:22] Yeah. Well, that's the 2.0 of life. And when we talk about, how do you feel about the country? You know, there are versions of the country that happen.

Speaker 2:
[60:35] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[60:35] Right. And the new version doesn't make the old one bad. It's necessary for growth. And I think we're in just a janky version. Right.

Speaker 2:
[60:45] Yeah, janky is right.

Speaker 1:
[60:46] It's a janky version right now.

Speaker 2:
[60:48] May I curse Mrs. Obama?

Speaker 1:
[60:49] You may.

Speaker 2:
[60:49] Yeah, shit is jank right now. It's super jank.

Speaker 1:
[60:52] Yes.

Speaker 2:
[60:54] He's not going to be happy with that, but I couldn't find another like adjective. I couldn't find another similar metaphor here.

Speaker 1:
[61:00] But with each, you know, with each version, we learn something about ourselves as a country. And you know, I'm right now, I'm kind of digging the way folks are beginning to respond, right? I mean, Minnesota, powerful stuff. I mean, it was a powerful reminder of what a community of people can do and are willing to do to protect one another. You know, when you're not so janky, you don't have to prove that, right? And so we haven't been this janky for a while. And I think our muscle of understanding our truths just got a little lax. We started taking things for granted, right? But as you are becoming a better version of a father, you know, all respect to your dad, we already said he did what he had to do. Yeah. We improve upon that with the learning. That doesn't make what you had bad. It just means that you're noting it and you're making the necessary changes that I think that's what I'm hoping will happen in this country. You are becoming a better, better version through the stuff that you didn't get, you know? I mean, you know? And how are your parents now? What do they make of your life and what you've become? Have you become the flex that they so desperately wanted?

Speaker 2:
[62:28] I've been told in private, they're very proud.

Speaker 1:
[62:31] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[62:31] When I'm not there, they're very proud.

Speaker 3:
[62:34] They can't even admit it.

Speaker 2:
[62:35] Yeah.

Speaker 3:
[62:37] Poor kid.

Speaker 2:
[62:38] All my da boys that I grew up with, they'll be like, dude, you always do this in your act where you talk about your dad dunking on you. He's really proud of you. He talks about you and I'm like, but that's in private. You never told me this. You know, like Mufasa's out here telling everybody else about how proud he is of Simba. But I'm in the elephant graveyard being like, dad, my dad doesn't like me. And like Zazu has to come and be like, your dad likes you. And I'm like, shut up, Zazu. So yeah, they are really proud. And bringing them to this stuff means a lot to them. So that's really beautiful. The parts that are tough for me are the speed bumps that you hit in your career. And watching your parents worry, that's the only thing that breaks my heart. Is that any time I've gone through, oh, that gig didn't go my way, or that review of my show went poorly. They really, the internet and boomers, it's not a good combination.

Speaker 1:
[63:41] Yeah, they shouldn't be on it.

Speaker 2:
[63:43] Because they read.

Speaker 1:
[63:44] Okay, get parent, hey, stop, get off social media. Just don't let them. Can you take it away from them?

Speaker 2:
[63:52] So the problem is with 75 year olds and five year olds, social media is really ruining their brains.

Speaker 4:
[63:58] Right, it is.

Speaker 1:
[63:59] It is.

Speaker 3:
[64:00] How are they as grandparents?

Speaker 2:
[64:02] Oh, they're like, totally different. Totally different.

Speaker 1:
[64:05] Who are these people?

Speaker 2:
[64:07] Yeah, who are these people?

Speaker 1:
[64:08] Yeah.

Speaker 2:
[64:08] Who are they?

Speaker 1:
[64:09] My mom was like that. Why are you so strict? I was like, these are your rules. These are the exact rules. You told me not to jump on the couch. When they were little, they go to her house and tear up the couch, the forts.

Speaker 3:
[64:24] Cushions everywhere.

Speaker 1:
[64:25] My mom would sleep on the couch and let the girl sleep in her bed because there was a TV in there.

Speaker 2:
[64:30] So what is it?

Speaker 1:
[64:31] I don't know.

Speaker 2:
[64:32] Is there a term for this?

Speaker 1:
[64:34] We should point a term.

Speaker 3:
[64:35] We could probably come up with one because it is consistent across cultures.

Speaker 1:
[64:42] Grandparent dystopia. I don't know what.

Speaker 2:
[64:45] Because they become these spiritual roomy poets. Of course, children. This is what children do. Who are we but grandparents here to channel the energies of the youth. Be gentle with them for they are gentlest.

Speaker 3:
[65:04] I'm like, who is this person?

Speaker 2:
[65:07] You would literally monitor my calls with girls like you're the NSA. Like, you know, infinite money. They have infinite. We're at Target. Just like, oh, you want that Lego? Sure. I'm like, where is this coming from? Yeah. Who are these people? But, you know, the good thing, though, is that fortunately, they're still alive. Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[65:32] And all the kids have all their grandparents.

Speaker 2:
[65:34] They have all their grandparents. But I got them, I got the chance for them to meet one of their great grandparents, which was like a promise that I made to my father-in-law, my mother-in-law, that if we get married, I will have your grandchildren meet your parents, you know. And that was something that I was like super proud of. I don't know if they fully understand it yet, but I would love for them to, when they're of the right age, for them to understand the world that their grandparents and their great grandparents lived in, pre-partition India, the freedom of India, then their arrival in America, and to how we got here. I think that would be just a very meaningful thing for them to understand.

Speaker 1:
[66:17] Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2:
[66:19] That I didn't fully get as a child.

Speaker 1:
[66:21] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[66:22] But understanding it, and shout out to Dr. Henry Louis Gates for the work that he's doing, because it gives your life meaning. You're able to, even, I was able to just see my own life with a level of grace and understanding. Like, isn't it a miracle that this happened? And isn't it a miracle that you're related to such amazing people?

Speaker 1:
[66:42] And hey, that's the hope, right? That's where they get the hope in a janky time, right? Because that's real and it's important, you know? And that's true. And it's their history, you know? And that's the hopeful. You point to them and you make sure they know this is the hope. Because look at where your grandparents were and your great grandparents. So that arc of today, as janky as it is, it's still forward movement.

Speaker 2:
[67:11] I think we found the title for this episode, by the way.

Speaker 1:
[67:13] It's janky.

Speaker 2:
[67:13] Janky.

Speaker 1:
[67:14] So we do try to do some good here on IMO by taking a listener question. That's how we started. We started with, you know, let's give some advice out to the people. And you as a guest, we gave you a lot of advice today. Yeah. So now it's your turn to give back to our listener.

Speaker 2:
[67:31] All right. Let's take it.

Speaker 1:
[67:32] Who do we have?

Speaker 3:
[67:33] We have Marcel from Honolulu.

Speaker 1:
[67:35] Okay.

Speaker 3:
[67:36] Oh.

Speaker 4:
[67:38] I'm an immigrant and LGBTQ person who has spent much of my life adapting, moving across countries, shifting careers, and learning how to survive within systems that were not designed with people like me in mind. Adaptation has helped me stay alive, build skills, and remain hopeful. Sometimes it also feels like I've learned to bend more than how to belong. How do you tell the difference between healthy adaptation that helps you grow and over-adaptation that slowly pulls you away from yourself? Thank you.

Speaker 1:
[68:10] That's a good question.

Speaker 2:
[68:12] Well, I mean, I think we've all navigated rooms where we might be the only one or we feel like an outsider. Do you want to share how you would navigate that?

Speaker 1:
[68:29] I'm trying to be completely honest. I don't think that I have ever shown up in a way that I didn't feel good about. I've never let my otherness make me adapt so much that I don't feel like I see myself. So I'm trying to relate to that and relate to people who are made to feel that insecure about themselves, that they are becoming something that they aren't. And I would imagine that in this day and age of social media, where you're, you know, all these signs of this is who you should be, this is who you should compare yourself to. I would imagine that maybe this generation has a tougher time maybe than I did. But I think at some level, when you're young, you are adapting to a whole bunch of stuff that you don't have control over, you know? You got to keep your job. You've got to listen to your parents.

Speaker 2:
[69:37] You're new at school. You're new in the class. You're trying to make friends.

Speaker 1:
[69:41] You're trying to make friends.

Speaker 2:
[69:43] For me, I found that there's two things that I was thinking about when I heard the question, which is I remember being in class and quickly trying to find your group. And I thought it was a weakness to try to find, oh, I like the shoes that you're wearing. You're into this? I'm into that too. I noticed, is that a Mickey Mouse watch? I really like, you try to find these moments of connection and you may be changing a little bit about yourself to try to please others, but you could also see it as a strength, meaning I can go into any situation and through my interests, through my hobbies, through what I know about the world, I can find a way to talk to anybody. Even for me touring, in any city that I land in from Ames, Iowa, St. Louis, Missouri, and Bozeman, Montana, Albuquerque, New Mexico. It doesn't matter where I land. I can always talk to the bar back or the cab driver or the Uber. And they will tell you what's going on in the city or the town. And there will always be this connective tissue. And that's not always a bad thing to be like, hey, how are things here in Albuquerque right now? What's going on with the mayor? What's happening with this? You're just trying to find common ground. And I think that's a cool, that's a strength to be able to go into any playground of life. And the two things I've found the most is everybody says the rent is too damn high and gas is way too much. But if somebody has an opinion about the Yankees, something is happening in sports or in culture that you can just, you can start chatting about and find a way to have common ground. But in regards to your identity, sometimes there's this feeling, and I was having a conversation with Riz Ahmed about this, who's an incredible British Pakistani actor. He said, sometimes you'll go into the room thinking that you can change the room. He went to Oxford, he's British. He talked about the most elite of the elite institutions. But sometimes the room changes you. You don't change the room, but the room changes you. And I think the thing that is most important is to have the moral clarity and personal conviction that, hey, just no matter what, this is who I am. So I'm willing to get into it with you about Yankees Red Sox or Kings versus Lakers. But there's just certain things in my personal convictions. These are things I just don't do, you know? And know that, that's your line. And don't change it for anybody.

Speaker 1:
[72:22] Well.

Speaker 3:
[72:23] Thanks, Hasan.

Speaker 2:
[72:25] Thanks.

Speaker 3:
[72:25] Appreciate it. We appreciate you.

Speaker 2:
[72:27] Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1:
[72:29] Yeah, it's good stuff, good stuff. So you've got this Netflix special. Is it a special or is it a series?

Speaker 2:
[72:37] I have a series called Hasan Minhaj Doesn't Know, which is a great interview podcast series. And then I'm on tour right now with the Hasan Hates Ronnie, Ronnie Hates Hasan, Hatred is the answer. Pettiness Over Peace, we're on tour right now.

Speaker 1:
[72:53] Are we going to get that televised? We're working on that?

Speaker 2:
[72:57] I can't tell you just yet, but yes. The fight will be coming to you.

Speaker 1:
[73:01] Nice.

Speaker 2:
[73:03] Very soon. And then, yeah, I'm working on this Bollywood dance movie called Best of the Best, which will be coming out very soon.

Speaker 1:
[73:11] So is that an episodic?

Speaker 2:
[73:13] It's a movie.

Speaker 1:
[73:13] It's a movie.

Speaker 2:
[73:14] Yeah.

Speaker 1:
[73:15] Okay.

Speaker 2:
[73:15] So I'm very excited about that.

Speaker 1:
[73:16] Okay. That sounds great.

Speaker 2:
[73:18] It's really beautiful to also be at this chapter of my career where I can see all this really great young talent emerge and make something for them. And that's been really, really enriching and beautiful.

Speaker 1:
[73:32] Well, I've enjoyed your comedy. I really do. You were smart. You were a beautiful storyteller.

Speaker 2:
[73:39] Oh, thank you.

Speaker 1:
[73:40] And not every stand-up comedian can take you on that journey and land you safely in a way. And it takes a level of vulnerability to, you know, let us inside your life. It's really, you know, it's a gift.

Speaker 2:
[73:58] You had me at smart. I'm just going to take it.

Speaker 1:
[74:00] Yeah, you're smart.

Speaker 2:
[74:01] It's really great.

Speaker 1:
[74:02] Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:
[74:02] You're funny.

Speaker 1:
[74:03] You're funny.

Speaker 2:
[74:04] Oh, thank you. You guys, these views are very sweet. We got to get out right now. You have to know when to end the set. We have to end right now. We got smart and funny. That's my time. Tip your bar and waist out. Thank you guys so much.

Speaker 1:
[74:13] Hasan, thank you so much.

Speaker 2:
[74:15] Thank you, Mrs. Obama.

Speaker 1:
[74:15] Thank you for taking the time.

Speaker 2:
[74:16] It's such an honor. Craig, thank you so much. Thank you.